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Reply #105 - Sep 13^th, 2023 at 9:37pm

EV cars?

It only takes 1 in say 300 batteries to fail and the whole lot will go up in smoke -
each little battery is like a grenade -
and water won't put the fire out -
water reacts with Lithium to make Hydrogen and the fire gets worse.
The technology is too new -
they need sensors on every battery to detect any fault and shut it down -
but they only have maybe one sensor to cover 300 batteries
so the system doesn't know if there's a crook battery
and keeps on charging it until it catches fire.

Stuff electric cars - I don't want one.

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Reply #106 - Sep 16^th, 2023 at 7:49am

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/09/14/green-inferno-tesla-bursts-in-flames-o...

Green Inferno: Tesla Bursts in Flames on Busy Australian Highway

14 Sep 2023
2:25

A Tesla burst into flames on a busy highway on Monday in the Southern Highlands region of Australia, sending firefighters on a difficult mission to battle the blaze. The fire started after the electric vehicle built by Elon Musk’s company hit debris that fell off another vehicle.

The Tesla Model 3, which costs upwards of $60,000, likely caught on fire due to a lithium battery that was damaged after a piece of debris fell from a truck onto the battery shell, according to a report by Daily Mail.

Both the driver and passenger of the Tesla were thankfully able to safely escape the electric vehicle that soon turning into a battery-fueled inferno on the side of the Hume Highway, about two hours southwest of Sydney, Australia.

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Reply #107 - Sep 16^th, 2023 at 5:31pm

Weight of electric vehicles is becoming a safety threat – report
Electric pick-ups and SUVs – which weigh up to twice as much as their petrol or diesel equivalents – are an increasing safety threat to other vehicles on the road, says a leading authority in the US.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/heavier-new-electric-vehicles-are-a-growing-safety...

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 116106 Melbourne Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #108 - Sep 18^th, 2023 at 8:53am
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Reply #109 - Sep 25^th, 2023 at 8:29pm

I would not buy an EV, although I once thought I might. Comparitive statistics are misleading. There are many old ICE vehicles that catch fire. Most EV fires are newish. Charging at home in a garage could be dangerous to the house. An ICE vehicle in the garage is pretty safe.

The numbers of EVs will eventually produce a kind of threshold where enough fires capture public attention. You can bet the EV industry is worried. I still like the idea of EVs for a number of reasons, but they just have to come up with a non-flammable chemistry.

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Reply #110 - Sep 26^th, 2023 at 7:03am

Imagine if you will this happening on a car ferry, in a
building basement car park, or in your own garage
next to your home. What you're seeing here is two
classic cases of thermal runaway—which at this point
makes it virtually impossible to extinguish the flames.
No home-style fire extinguisher would be of the
slightest use in this scenario.

The only way to control this electrical fire is with a
surround and drown foam attack by the fire brigade.
Who'll in all likelihood let the vehicle burn to the
ground and just protect the exposures.

Three vehicles destroyed by only one of these little
cells self-destructing—not much bigger than an AA.

—Scary stuff, and one of the prime reasons I'd never
park an EV near my home.

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #111 - Sep 26^th, 2023 at 7:27am This guy's videos are just a little too enthusiastic for EVs "Entire automotive industry?" For starters, the military is not going electric, but this video has some interesting details about new battery chemistry from NASA. I don't know where he gets NAH SA. I've never heard anyone pronounce it like that.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 116106 Melbourne Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #112 - Sep 30^th, 2023 at 9:12am
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Reply #113 - Sep 30^th, 2023 at 6:52pm

issuevoter wrote on Sep 26^th, 2023 at 7:27am:

This guy's videos are just a little too enthusiastic for EVs "Entire automotive industry?" For starters, the military is not going electric, but this video has some interesting details about new battery chemistry from NASA. I don't know where he gets NAH SA. I've never heard anyone pronounce it like that.

His name's Samuel Evans, and I agree: it was really
irritating to hear him mispronounce NASA so many times.
[https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pronunciation/english/nasa]

He only has a Bachelor of Arts (BA), so I don't really
think he has any appropriate technical qualifications in
order to talk competently about electric vehicles and/or
battery technologies. After all, his main employment
is as a marketer. (!)

He doesn't know any more about this stuff than you or me
... and professor Google LOL.

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Reply #114 - Oct 2^nd, 2023 at 1:05pm

Electric vehicles are playing with fire in car parks and on our streets.

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Electric vehicles are spontaneously combusting so often that one Norwegian shipping company has banned them from its ferries.

Houses are also being destroyed, and people are dying.

Has Energy Minister Chris Bowen, who is the architect of Australia's policy to prioritise sales of EVs, ever mentioned a word of the lethal dangers of these cars?

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Reply #115 - Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:44pm

Massive fire started by batteries:

https://www.9news.com.au/national/eastern-golf-course-clubhouse-destroyed-in-fer...

Golf clubhouse destroyed in ferocious blaze in Victoria's Yarra Valley

By Serena Seyfort • Afternoon Editor
5:59pm Oct 16, 2023

A large golf clubhouse has been destroyed in a ferocious blaze in Victoria's Yarra Valley.
The 180-square-metre building at Eastern Golf Club on Victoria Road in Yering, about 38km north-east of Melbourne's CBD, has been gutted by a fire that broke out about 1.43pm.

The fire started in a storage room,
where electric buggies and batteries are kept,
according to the club's management.

It quickly spread and burnt out the multimillion-dollar building's pro shop, offices lounge and function and dining rooms, helped by 45km/h winds in the area.
Firefighters from the surrounding area rushed to the scene, bringing 11 units, as did paramedics, police and the club's power and gas providers.
Meanwhile, the building was successfully evacuated, with the club's staff and members forced to watch on as the building burnt.
The entire structure was already fully engulfed in flames by the time firefighters arrived.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 116106 Melbourne Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #116 - Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:59pm Clubhouse destroyed by massive fire at Eastern Golf Club \| 7 News Australia
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 116106 Melbourne Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #117 - Oct 18^th, 2023 at 9:06pm "Electric cars are the future for daily mobility and above all they do not pollute." Most amazing video showing violent battery explosions: https://www.facebook.com/fausto.pili3/videos/1565264330546438/
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 116106 Melbourne Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #118 - Oct 19^th, 2023 at 5:54pm Dangerous experiments - one showing batteries. Do not try any of these: https://www.facebook.com/NileRed2/videos/595654275878966/
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #119 - Oct 19^th, 2023 at 8:46pm For general types of transport, especially in urban areas, I can see EVs becoming the norm in the future, but they have to come up with safer battery chemistries. And I would not go back to a petrol lawn mower in a fit. The noise and the smell are dreadful and the maintainance is a pain in the arse.
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