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Reply #15 - Jun 6^th, 2022 at 9:42pm

random wrote on Jun 6^th, 2022 at 8:56pm:

I won again!

"Fossil fuels and the burning of biomass – wood, dung, and charcoal – are responsible for most of those deaths. Eliminating fossil fuels could cut premature deaths from air pollution by around two-thirds. That’s three to four million deaths per year.2"

https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy

Biomass - dung etc kills millions a year alone. Roll Eyes

"Biomass fuels linked to 3.5 million deaths annually"

https://www.bioenergy-news.com/news/iea-biomass-fuels-linked-to-3-5-million-deat...

So take 3.5 million out of the four million and remainder is coal.

Talk about skewed efforts. You really are a joke.

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Reply #16 - Jun 6^th, 2022 at 9:53pm

Under normal operation neither is a threat at all.

The comparison here is with properly treated and secured nuclear material.

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coal ash released from a power plant delivers more radiation than nuclear waste shielded via water or dry cask storage.

Tell me about the comparative radiation risk when we have a core meltdown in a coal plant or if the stored radioactive waste is released after a thousand years or so.

The main risk with coal is to coal miners.

It is true that coal power is way less than ideal but this argument inferring that it is a radiation risk compared to nuclear power plants is 100% piffle.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 57973 Gender:	Re: Coal Ash Is More Radioactive Than Nuclear Waste! Reply #17 - Jun 6^th, 2022 at 9:55pm Oh look - a butterfly
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 62267 Here Gender:	Re: Coal Ash Is More Radioactive Than Nuclear Waste! Reply #18 - Jun 6^th, 2022 at 10:14pm Jasin wrote on Jun 6^th, 2022 at 9:55pm: Oh look - a butterfly Chernobyl Butterflies glow in the dark, they say its from the coal.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 57973 Gender:	Re: Coal Ash Is More Radioactive Than Nuclear Waste! Reply #19 - Jun 6^th, 2022 at 10:17pm Coal and Oil: made from dead things. Raise the Dead.
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Reply #21 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 6:35am

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6^th, 2022 at 9:53pm:

Under normal operation neither is a threat at all.

The comparison here is with properly treated and secured nuclear material.

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coal ash released from a power plant delivers more radiation than nuclear waste shielded via water or dry cask storage.

Tell me about the comparative radiation risk when we have a core meltdown in a coal plant or if the stored radioactive waste is released after a thousand years or so.

The main risk with coal is to coal miners.

It is true that coal power is way less than ideal but this argument inferring that it is a radiation risk compared to nuclear power plants is 100% piffle.

No true DNA.

People living around coal fired generators experience far higher respiratory disease and deaths.Same with people living around coal mines, e.g. in the Hunter Valley.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21516 Gender:	Re: Coal Ash Is More Radioactive Than Nuclear Waste! Reply #22 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 12:47pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 6:35am: People living around coal fired generators experience far higher respiratory disease and deaths.Same with people living around coal mines, e.g. in the Hunter Valley. But not radiation poisoning.
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Reply #23 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 1:13pm

"And then there’s health. Ongoing concerns and myriad anecdotal reports of serious health impacts have been expressed by both local communities and health professionals, and echoed by organisations such as Doctors for the Environment. But there’s virtually no hard evidence in the peer-reviewed literature to confirm or deny the negative health impacts on communities near coal mines or coal-fired power stations in Australia."

"Health and Social Harms of Coal Mining in Local Communities: Spotlight on the Hunter Region cites excess deaths from lung cancer, chronic heart, respiratory and kidney disease related to living near coal mines. The evidence is mostly from the United States and often features a dose-response effect related to coal quantity or surface area of the mine. Other effects include high blood levels of heavy metals in children, and higher rates of birth defects. "

https://theconversation.com/coal-industry-thriving-but-at-what-social-and-health...

A dose-response effect? Oh dear another statistical study. Wink

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Reply #24 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 5:46pm

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 1:13pm:

"And then there’s health. Ongoing concerns and myriad anecdotal reports of serious health impacts have been expressed by both local communities and health professionals, and echoed by organisations such as Doctors for the Environment.

But there’s virtually no hard evidence in the peer-reviewed literature to confirm or deny the negative health impacts on communities near coal mines or coal-fired power stations in Australia."

"Health and Social Harms of Coal Mining in Local Communities: Spotlight on the Hunter Region cites excess deaths from lung cancer, chronic heart, respiratory and kidney disease related to living near coal mines. The evidence is mostly from the United States and often features a dose-response effect related to coal quantity or surface area of the mine. Other effects include high blood levels of heavy metals in children, and higher rates of birth defects. "

https://theconversation.com/coal-industry-thriving-but-at-what-social-and-health...

A dose-response effect? Oh dear another statistical study. Wink

Faarkin funny as, apparently US power stations as different to Australian versions.

"Coal-fired power stations’ failure to install life-saving pollution controls costs Australians around $2.4 billion in health costs annually, warn actuaries, economists and lawyers.

In a new report released today, a team of volunteer actuaries modelled the economic cost of the health impacts of air pollution from coal-fired power, finding that the health bill last year alone amounted to $2.4 billion on conservative estimates, or more than two-thirds of federal government spending on the COVID healthcare package. "

https://www.greenpeace.org.au/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/GPAP-Lethal-Power-Report-Summary-LP.pdf?_ga=2.174557218.1408356037.1598315407-1949333565.1598315407

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Reply #25 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 5:58pm

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 1:13pm:

" But there’s virtually

no hard evidence in the peer-reviewed literature to confirm or deny the negative health impacts on communities near coal mines or coal-fired power stations in Australia."

A dose-response effect? Oh dear another statistical study. Wink

Need peer reviewed papers to confirm coal affects health.
Peer reviewed papers on Climate Change are bullshite!

You Can't Make This Shite Up!

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Reply #26 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 6:00pm

So let's look at that

Greenpeace say 785 died from burning coal.

In Australia Coal - Black and Brown on electricity alone generated about 243,000 GWh.

https://www.energy.gov.au/publications/australian-energy-statistics-table-o-elec...

So about 0.33% per GWh. That's YUGE. Grin

And then of course those deaths attributed to coal for the making of renewables? Roll Eyes

Oh dear.

random wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 5:58pm:

You Can't Make This Shite Up!

Yet you manage. Grin

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Reply #27 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 6:10pm

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 6:00pm:

So let's look at that

Greenpeace say 785 died from burning coal.

So about 0.33% per GWh. That's YUGE. Grin

Just numbers hey? So you are ok with people dying from coal burning?

What a kunt you are!

Meanwhile on another planet, renewables don't kill anyone to make power!

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Reply #28 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 6:48pm

random wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 6:10pm:

Just numbers hey? So you are ok with people dying from coal burning?

People die. Even from car accidents and there is no call to ban them. And at a greater rate than 33 per year.

random wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 6:10pm:

Meanwhile on another planet, renewables don't kill anyone to make power!

Not even in those non-existent Chinese slave labour camps? Grin

But how did Our World In Data find deaths from renewables if there were NONE. NADA. ZIP. ZILCH. Roll Eyes

Even though there is much less energy produced by renewables? Roll Eyes

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