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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #75 - May 25^th, 2022 at 2:18pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 2:12pm: lee wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 1:39pm: The new ones even have scrubbers these days. They are something that can be retrofitted but can't get the necessary funding. Why is that? Because banks won't fund investing in dead technology
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20221 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #76 - May 25^th, 2022 at 2:24pm FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 2:18pm: Because banks won't fund investing in dead technology And yet coal plants are still being built in India, China and elsewhere. They can be built with scrubbers etc far more easily than retrofit.
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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #77 - May 25^th, 2022 at 2:30pm

lee wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 2:24pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 2:18pm:

Because banks won't fund investing in dead technology

And yet coal plants are still being built in India, China and elsewhere. They can be built with scrubbers etc far more easily than retrofit.

Yes, they have different banks. Duh.

Scrubbers are still bullshit

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Reply #78 - May 25^th, 2022 at 3:43pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

Yes, they have different banks. Duh.

And so don't rely on the IMF, World Bank. Thank you. Wink

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

Scrubbers are still bullshit

From one who knows bullsh!t. Grin

"Reality: Scrubbers are very efficient air pollution control devices, and can remove greater than 95 percent of the SO2 from power plant stack emissions. … In fact, SO2 removal efficiencies often are as high as 98 percent to 99 percent. Scrubbers with advanced designs routinely meet targeted efficiencies of 95 percent."

https://kfs-solutions.com/application/how-do-coal-power-plant-scrubbers-work.htm...

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Reply #79 - May 25^th, 2022 at 4:00pm

lee wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 3:43pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

Yes, they have different banks. Duh.

And so don't rely on the IMF, World Bank. Thank you. Wink

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

Scrubbers are still bullshit

From one who knows bullsh!t. Grin

"Reality: Scrubbers are very efficient air pollution control devices, and can remove greater than 95 percent of the SO2 from power plant stack emissions. … In fact, SO2 removal efficiencies often are as high as 98 percent to 99 percent. Scrubbers with advanced designs routinely meet targeted efficiencies of 95 percent."

https://kfs-solutions.com/application/how-do-coal-power-plant-scrubbers-work.htm...

The actual issue is that the right are literal human garbage LOL!!!

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20221 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #80 - May 25^th, 2022 at 4:35pm FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 4:00pm: The actual issue is that the right are literal human garbage LOL!!! Oh good comeback.
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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #81 - May 25^th, 2022 at 4:36pm lee wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 4:35pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 4:00pm: The actual issue is that the right are literal human garbage LOL!!! Oh good comeback. It just gets boring TBH. You add nothing.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20221 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #82 - May 25^th, 2022 at 5:13pm You haven't for the entirety; but don't be too disheartened.
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Reply #83 - May 25^th, 2022 at 5:58pm

lee wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 3:43pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

Yes, they have different banks. Duh.

And so don't rely on the IMF, World Bank. Thank you. Wink

This is your answer to my question, why don't (eg, Indian) banks fund "clean" coal.

Fact is India is not rich enough to fund either "clean" coal, or renewables with storage and inter-connectors.

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"Reality: Scrubbers are very efficient air pollution control devices, and can remove greater than 95 percent of the SO2 from power plant stack emissions. … In fact, SO2 removal efficiencies often are as high as 98 percent to 99 percent. Scrubbers with advanced designs routinely meet targeted efficiencies of 95 percent."

https://kfs-solutions.com/application/how-do-coal-power-plant-scrubbers-work.htm...

Yes, so how much should the rich world pay the 3rd world to install scrubbers on their existing fleet.

Yet SO2 is only one of many health hazards from burning coal, apart from the coal ash disposal problem.

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Reply #84 - May 25^th, 2022 at 6:03pm

lee wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 1:20pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 1:10pm:

The only way to work out who is worst, is a per capita measure.

Nope. Total CO2 emissions are the best because we can see which countries are the biggest emitters.

So therefore it can't be "the only way". Roll Eyes

rubbish. Using total is always going to go bad for the countries with higher populations.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #85 - May 25^th, 2022 at 6:11pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 5:58pm:

This is your answer to my question, why don't (eg, Indian) banks fund "clean" coal.

Fact is India is not rich enough to fund either "clean" coal, or renewables with storage and inter-connectors.

And yet they are doing so. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 5:58pm:

Yet SO2 is only one of many health hazards from burning coal, apart from the coal ash disposal problem.

Oh dear. Failure to do your research again.

"Coal-fired electricity generation is cleaner than ever. NETL’s research shows that a new coal plant with pollution controls reduces nitrogen oxides by 83 percent, sulfur dioxide by 98 percent, and particulate matter by 99.8 percent compared to plants without controls."

https://kfs-solutions.com/application/frequent-question-what-is-coal-scrubbing.h...

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Reply #86 - May 25^th, 2022 at 6:12pm

John Smith wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 6:03pm:

rubbish. Using total is always going to go bad for the countries with higher populations.

I'm not the one wailing about CO2 emissions. And CO2 emissions is total.

Try researching small counties and small populations.

Eg Australia - large country, small population - large transport distances.

Germany population 84 million or 3.5 times ours. Area 357,000 sq km slightly larger than Victoria and Tasmania combined.

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Reply #87 - May 25^th, 2022 at 8:31pm

lee wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 6:12pm:

John Smith wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 6:03pm:

rubbish. Using total is always going to go bad for the countries with higher populations.

I'm not the one wailing about CO2 emissions. And CO2 emissions is total.

Most of the rest of the world IS wailing about CO2 emissions.

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Try researching small counties and small populations.

Irrelevant, if CO2 emissions are the problem.

You don't get a free pass just because the Oz pop is 25 million (in a country as big as China)

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Eg Australia - large country, small population - large transport distances.

But George St. in Sydney is still a health hazard, given the clapped out diesel trucks traversing it.

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Germany population 84 million or 3.5 times ours. Area 357,000 sq km slightly larger than Victoria and Tasmania combined.

Irrelevant on BOTH counts as shown above, whether CO2 or hazardous chemicals from filthy fossil combustion.

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Reply #88 - May 25^th, 2022 at 8:36pm

lee wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 6:11pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 5:58pm:

This is your answer to my question, why don't (eg, Indian) banks fund "clean" coal.

Fact is India is not rich enough to fund either "clean" coal, or renewables with storage and inter-connectors.

And yet they are doing so. Wink

No they are burning 'dirty coal', and poisoning localities with coal ash.

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Oh dear. Failure to do your research again.

"Coal-fired electricity generation is cleaner than ever. NETL’s research shows that a new coal plant with pollution controls reduces nitrogen oxides by 83 percent, sulfur dioxide by 98 percent, and particulate matter by 99.8 percent compared to plants without controls."

https://kfs-solutions.com/application/frequent-question-what-is-coal-scrubbing.h...

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And how many of India's coal plants meet those standards?

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Reply #89 - May 25^th, 2022 at 9:03pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 8:36pm:

No they are burning 'dirty coal', and poisoning localities with coal ash.

What exactly don't you understand about NEW cola plants? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 8:36pm:

And how many of India's coal plants meet those standards?