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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #585 - Jun 6^th, 2023 at 12:17pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 10:23pm:

Q&A tonight 5th June 2023:

NSW will lose another coal fire power station in 2025 meaning 25% of its electricity will be lost
with no guarantee that renewables can replace it by then -
so expect power blackouts from the insane Green polices.

The Greens policies are neither insane nor are they the problem.

The problem is FITH conservatives who don't accept the IPCC AGW reports and want to continue making money out of fossil fuels; and FITH flat-earth neoclassical economists who are hindering the timely transition to renewables with their inane calls for carbon taxes which politicians and the public don't want.

We are already a decade behind where we should be - and Labor isn't doing everything it should, like upgrading the grid and building storage ASAP.

It's not until we have blackouts that people like you will understand.

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #586 - Jun 6^th, 2023 at 12:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 12:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 10:23pm:

Q&A tonight 5th June 2023:

NSW will lose another coal fire power station in 2025 meaning 25% of its electricity will be lost
with no guarantee that renewables can replace it by then -
so expect power blackouts from the insane Green polices.

The Greens policies are neither insane nor are they the problem.

The problem is FITH conservatives who don't accept the IPCC AGW reports and want to continue making money out of fossil fuels; and FITH flat-earth neoclassical economists who are hindering the timely transition to renewables with their inane calls for carbon taxes which politicians and the public don't want.

We are already a decade behind where we should be - and Labor isn't doing everything it should, like upgrading the grid and building storage ASAP.

It's not until we have blackouts that people like you will understand.

I already understand, whereas you are part of the problem - outlined above - for which you prefer to blame me.

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #587 - Jun 6^th, 2023 at 12:40pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 12:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 10:23pm:

Q&A tonight 5th June 2023:

NSW will lose another coal fire power station in 2025 meaning 25% of its electricity will be lost
with no guarantee that renewables can replace it by then -
so expect power blackouts from the insane Green polices.

The Greens policies are neither insane nor are they the problem.

The problem is FITH conservatives who don't accept the IPCC AGW reports and want to continue making money out of fossil fuels; and FITH flat-earth neoclassical economists who are hindering the timely transition to renewables with their inane calls for carbon taxes which politicians and the public don't want.

We are already a decade behind where we should be - and Labor isn't doing everything it should, like upgrading the grid and building storage ASAP.

It's not until we have blackouts that people like you will understand.

I already understand, whereas you are part of the problem - outlined above - for which you prefer to blame me.

The Govt should have made one last large coal fire power station
to look after us while we wait for renewables.
We have high grade anthracite coal to burn in one.
Instead they are demolishing them all while we don't have alternative energy = blackouts.

The Chinese are building new coal fire stations every week and laughing at us.

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #588 - Jun 6^th, 2023 at 12:53pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

And you are the non-economist who can't address the reality that the government's deficit is the private sector's surplus. (see #507 in the MMT thread).

And still you can't provide proof. You were the one said he had proved MMT. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

Fact: effective international law..... "to save mankind from the scourge of war" (preamble to the UN Charter) - requires elimination of the veto in the UNSC; incomprehensible fact to a blind "individual sovereignty" ideologue.

It quite probably does.And nowhere have I said different. So that's another nothing burger from you. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/other/signs-of-de-dollarisation-emerging-wall-st...

"The impact of steep U.S. interest rate rises and the use of sanctions that have frozen the likes of Russia out of the global banking system are driving the so-called BRICs nations - Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa - to challenge the dollar’s hegemony.

And nowhere do they say ALL banks. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

A goal of a sustainable green economy with common prosperity is likely to be more successful than a goal of winner takes all in a survival of the fittest economy.

Ah, Now you have gone from absolutes to likely. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

Crippled conservative brain can't connect the dots:

https://profstevekeen.substack.com/p/troll-wars-in-economics?utm_source=post-ema
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Poor petal. Once again falls back on Keen, who you still can't show he "proved" MMT. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

Worstall trolled Peter Kalmus for saying that "I don't know how more parents aren't climate activists", with the claim that all we need is a carbon tax, citing both Lord Stern and "Nobel Prize" winner Nordhaus as examples of "actual science".

So let's look at that sentence. Worstall claimed that all we need is a carbon tax, citing Stern and Nordhaus as examples of "actual science". Seeing as Keen calls Worstall a troll, it seems he doesn't believes that. Dummy. Roll Eyes

Once again you show a lack of comprehension.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

Nothing wrong with making money, if you are transforming the world to achieve sustainable common prosperity.

Making money is not the same as profiteering, which is the likely outcome. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

The collapse of the Bronze age civilizations in the Mediterranean world (Minoan and Mycenaean).

Likely the result of a cooling climate. Widespread famine. Not a warming climate.

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The potential of climate change to substantially alter human history is a pressing concern, but the specific effects of different types of climate change remain unknown. This question can be addressed using palaeoclimatic and archaeological data. For instance, a 300-year, low-frequency shift to drier, cooler climate conditions around 1200 bc is frequently associated with the collapse of several ancient civilizations in the Eastern Mediterranean and Near East1,2,3,4. However, the precise details of synchronized climate and human-history-scale associations are lacking.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05693-y

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thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

The desertification of the Sahara region, c4000 BC.

Scientists don't know why. Though theories abound. Overgrazing being one. Not climate driven. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

The IPCC says a chance of catastrophic AGW; a majority ofpeople believe it.

Opinions are like a*seholes - everybody has one. It doesn't make it true. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

As the figures show: a small minority of the young - all FITH conservatives who reject the IPCC reports.

Poor petal. Claims to know the unknowable. Dummy. Roll Eyes

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #589 - Jun 6^th, 2023 at 12:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 12:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 12:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 10:23pm:

Q&A tonight 5th June 2023:

NSW will lose another coal fire power station in 2025 meaning 25% of its electricity will be lost
with no guarantee that renewables can replace it by then -
so expect power blackouts from the insane Green polices.

The Greens policies are neither insane nor are they the problem.

The problem is FITH conservatives who don't accept the IPCC AGW reports and want to continue making money out of fossil fuels; and FITH flat-earth neoclassical economists who are hindering the timely transition to renewables with their inane calls for carbon taxes which politicians and the public don't want.

We are already a decade behind where we should be - and Labor isn't doing everything it should, like upgrading the grid and building storage ASAP.

It's not until we have blackouts that people like you will understand.

I already understand, whereas you are part of the problem - outlined above - for which you prefer to blame me.

The Govt should have made one last large coal fire power station
to look after us while we wait for renewables.
We have high grade anthracite coal to burn in one.
Instead they are demolishing them all while we don't have alternative energy = blackouts.

...because the climate deniers, flat earth economists and ff profit gougers are hindering a timely transition.

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The Chinese are building new coal fire stations every week and laughing at us.

Unlike Oz who can afford to transition from ffs quickly, China - a developing country** - still has to rely on coal to increase energy supply, since renewables storage takes longer to build.

Even so China is already the world's largest producer of renewables, and is also building nuclear capacity faster than anyone else.

** note: when China is classified as a developed economy, it will be at least twice the size of US gdp.

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #590 - Jun 6^th, 2023 at 12:58pm

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Unlike Oz who can afford to transition from ffs quickly

That is a lie -

we cannot replace the coal energy that fast.
We will have blackouts.

Q&A tonight 5th June 2023:

NSW will lose another coal fire power station in 2025 meaning 25% of its electricity will be lost
with no guarantee that renewables can replace it by then -
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Reply #591 - Jun 6^th, 2023 at 1:34pm

lee wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 12:53pm:

And still you can't provide proof. You were the one said he had proved MMT. Dummy. Roll Eyes

You don't "prove" there are enough resources(as opposed to money) in the world to achieve sustainable common prosperity, you just do it - unless you are a blind, greedy conservative neoclassical ideologue, of course.

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It quite probably does.And nowhere have I said different. So that's another nothing burger from you. Dummy. Roll Eyes

So you see the problem with the blind "individual sovereignty" delusion, good. But your greedy, blind individual sovereignty delusion will just say - that's 'human nature', so let's continue with slaughtering children in war, you fake delusional ideologue.

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"The impact of steep U.S. interest rate rises and the use of sanctions that have frozen the likes of Russia out of the global banking system are driving the so-called BRICs nations - Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa - to challenge the dollar’s hegemony.

And nowhere do they say ALL banks. Dummy. Roll Eyes

"have frozen Russia out of the global banking system" .... oh never mind, your crippled conservative brain is rendering you incapble of comprehension.

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Ah, Now you have gone from absolutes to likely. Dummy. Roll Eyes

Something the crippled conservative brain CAN'T do...even if the prosperous survival of all the world depends on it...

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So let's look at that sentence. Worstall claimed that all we need is a carbon tax, citing Stern and Nordhaus as examples of "actual science". Seeing as Keen calls Worstall a troll, it seems he doesn't believes that. Dummy. Roll Eyes

Of dear, you stuffed up the meaning of the paragraph, as expected. Keen put "actual science" - as propagated by Stern and Nordhaus - in quotes for a reason, ie their "actual science" is crap science.

Once again you show a lack of comprehension (to borrow your words...

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Making money is not the same as profiteering, which is the likely outcome. Dummy. Roll Eyes

Depends on the individual.

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Likely the result of a cooling climate. Widespread famine. Not a warming climate.

Likely?

But given: " the precise details of synchronized climate and human-history-scale associations are lacking", whereas the IPCC's warning of a chance of catastrophic AGW is real, which research will you go with? The majority of the public are going with the latter.

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Dummy.

Don't look in the mirror, unless you want a trip to Bunnings...

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #592 - Jun 6^th, 2023 at 2:45pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 1:34pm:

You don't "prove" there are enough resources(as opposed to money) in the world to achieve sustainable common prosperity, you just do it - unless you are a blind, greedy conservative neoclassical ideologue, of course.

So if you don't "prove" there are enough resources, how do you know there is? How much lithium, how much iron ore? Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 1:34pm:

So you see the problem with the blind "individual sovereignty" delusion, good. But your greedy, blind individual sovereignty delusion will just say - that's 'human nature', so let's continue with slaughtering children in war, you fake delusional ideologue.

Again merely mouthing nothings. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 1:34pm:

"have frozen Russia out of the global banking system" .

And yet you can't find a quote saying ALL banks. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 1:34pm:

Something the crippled conservative brain CAN'T do...even if the prosperous survival of all the world depends on it...

It is you have been saying the absolutes. And now you have resiled from that. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 1:34pm:

Keen put "actual science" - as propagated by Stern and Nordhaus - in quotes for a reason, ie their "actual science" is crap science.

Exactly. And yet they are the darlings of AGW. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 1:34pm:

Depends on the individual.

It depends on your blinkered views of C-B. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 1:34pm:

But given: " the precise details of synchronized climate and human-history-scale associations are lacking", whereas the IPCC's warning of a chance of catastrophic AGW is real, which research will you go with?

The IPCC whose flawed models show way too much warming? Which scientific paper said that it was likely catastrophic? Dummy. Roll Eyes

But you failed in your claims of warming climates causing these things.

"In order to establish a forecast, interactions between the oceans, the atmosphere, ice masses and soil surface have to be considered in the climate models. How the climate is going to influence the Sahara in future cannot be said for sure. However, the desert has shown a greener image over the last 15 years. Increasing temperatures lead to a stronger evaporation over the sea; said condensations rain down onto dry land. Especially in summer, heavier rainfalls occur in the central Sahara. As reported, there are also torrents, which have supposedly put the dry valleys four meters under water. This is a blessing for the desert as the vegetation recovers. "

https://www.britannica.com/video/179436/Overview-impact-Sahara-discussion-desert...

"Green Sahara: African Humid Periods Paced by Earth's Orbital Changes"

https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/green-sahara-african-humid-per...
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 1:34pm:

he majority of the public are going with the latter.

Yes.Sheeple being scared into it. Way to go. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 1:34pm:

Don't look in the mirror, unless you want a trip to Bunnings...

Bunnings don't do dummies. But that explains you perfectly. A know nothing. Dummy. Roll Eyes

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Reply #593 - Jun 6^th, 2023 at 5:30pm

lee wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 2:45pm:

So if you don't "prove" there are enough resources, how do you know there is? How much lithium, how much iron ore? Dummy.

You get on with the job; at the halfway mark you compare known resource reserves with what is required to complete the job. Enough uranium is always there if needed.

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...(re human nature).... "nothings" ....

Says the blind ideologue, satisfied to blame others for child slaughter; 500 officially in Ukraine so far..when the blind 'individual sovereignty' ideology is responsible for crippling the UNSC.

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And yet you can't find a quote saying ALL banks. Dummy. Roll Eyes

Er...."Russia" IS "all banks" in Russia .. you FITH conservative.

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It is you have been saying the absolutes. And now you have resiled from that. Dummy. Roll Eyes

FITH conservative: sustainable prosperity is achievable (an absolute) whereas an individual capitalist may be either a profiteer (likely in most cases) cf making money for the prosperity of the community.

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Exactly. And yet they are the darlings of AGW. Dummy. Roll Eyes

Crippled brain AND dementia, again. You yourself have previously quoted Nordhaus - who rubbishes an AGW emergency - to disprove AGW.

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It depends on your blinkered views of C-B. Dummy. Roll Eyes

More conservative black and white ideation: C-B is likely a visionary making money to progess sustainable prosperity, not a greedy capitalist who would destroy the world for his own enrichmnet through profiteering.

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The IPCC whose flawed models .....

Says the blind conservative who thinks he knows more than a thousand of the world's climate scientists.

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Yes.Sheeple being scared into it. Way to go. Dummy. Roll Eyes

Scientists aren't usually scared into anything.

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Bunnings don't do dummies. But that explains you perfectly. A know nothing. Dummy. Roll Eyes

Bunnings do mirrors.... and you won't have any left in your house if you look at them; just a friendly warning....

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #594 - Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:24pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

You get on with the job; at the halfway mark you compare known resource reserves with what is required to complete the job.

And having wasted millions of man-hours in the meantime. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

Says the blind ideologue, satisfied to blame others for child slaughter; 500 officially in Ukraine so far..when the blind 'individual sovereignty' ideology is responsible for crippling the UNSC.

Poor petal. Another slip in his grasp of reality. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

Er...."Russia" IS "all banks" in Russia .

No it isn't. There are a number of banks in Russia. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

FITH conservative: sustainable prosperity is achievable (an absolute) whereas an individual capitalist may be either a profiteer (likely in most cases) cf making money for the prosperity of the community.

Another loss of reality. Profieers don't care about "prosperity of the community". Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

You yourself have previously quoted Nordhaus - who rubbishes an AGW emergency - to disprove AGW.

Yes. Because he is an economist and knows NOTHING about climate. Just like Keen. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

More conservative black and white ideation: C-B is likely a visionary making money to progess sustainable prosperity, not a greedy capitalist who would destroy the world for his own enrichmnet through profiteering.

More wishful thinking. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

Says the blind conservative who thinks he knows more than a thousand of the world's climate scientists.

And yet it is a fact that the IPCC themselves admit. Dummy. Roll Eyes

Why else would they "constrain" the models?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

Scientists aren't usually scared into anything.

Poor petal. That was in response to your comment on "public". Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

Bunnings do mirrors.... and you won't have any left in your house if you look at them; just a friendly warning....

So you don't go to Bunnings, because you break their mirros. Got it. Dummy. Roll Eyes

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 121321 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #595 - Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:40pm Just in on Channel 7 TV news tonight. Victoria to face power blackouts this winter - ( thanks to the Greens.) I can't find it with Google.
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Reply #596 - Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:13pm

lee wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

You get on with the job; at the halfway mark you compare known resource reserves with what is required to complete the job.

And having wasted millions of man-hours in the meantime. Dummy. Roll Eyes

No, the world running on 50% renewables is certainly not a waste of man hours, after which the way to complete the job will be clear.

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Poor petal. Another slip in his grasp of reality. Dummy. Roll Eyes

Love it; talking about "reality" - as he sees it - while extinction from war, and or ecological collapse threatens.

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No it isn't. There are a number of banks in Russia. Dummy. Roll Eyes

'Crippled conservative brain; falls for the fallacy of composition every time.

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Another loss of reality. Profieers don't care about "prosperity of the community". Dummy. Roll Eyes

Dementia leading to loss of comprehension.; now you are arguing FOR my point, thanks.

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Yes. Because he is an economist and knows NOTHING about climate. Just like Keen. Dummy. Roll Eyes

https://theconversation.com/nobel-prize-winning-economics-of-climate-change-is-m...

"While climate scientists warn that climate change could be catastrophic, economists such as 2018 Nobel prize winner William Nordhaus assert that it will be nowhere near as damaging. In a 2018 paper published after he was awarded the prize, Nordhaus claimed that 3°C of warming would reduce global GDP by just 2.1%, compared to what it would be in the total absence of climate change. Even a 6°C increase in global temperature, he claimed, would reduce GDP by just 8.5%."

Obviously Nordhaus thinks he knows about the science, in order to come up with those figures re the economic impact. Keen is commenting on the neoclassical 'trolls' who cite Nordhaus as proof AGW can be ignored.

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More wishful thinking. Dummy. Roll Eyes

C-B wants to build the largest PV array in the world; he sees a green global economy - with near-zero cost of electricity for all - as achievable.

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And yet it is a fact that the IPCC themselves admit. Dummy. Roll Eyes

The IPCC admit a chance of an AGW emergency.

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Poor petal. That was in response to your comment on "public". Dummy. Roll Eyes

Crippled brain: the public these days tend to accept the science as presented by fearless scientists.

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So you don't go to Bunnings, because you break their mirros. Got it. Dummy. Roll Eyes

...backwards as usual....you calling someone a dummy is moot.

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Reply #598 - Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:20pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

No, the world running on 50% renewables is certainly not a waste of man hours, after which the way to complete the job will be clear.

That is if there are enough resources for 50%. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

Love it; talking about "reality" - as he sees it - while extinction from war, and or ecological collapse threatens.

And yet there is no ecological collapse, no extinction. Where are these occurring. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

'Crippled conservative brain; falls for the fallacy of composition every time.

So you fail to comprehend again. You really are a dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

Dementia leading to loss of comprehension.; now you are arguing FOR my point, thanks.

You haven't even showed you have a salient point. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

Obviously Nordhaus thinks he knows about the science, in order to come up with those figures re the economic impact.

Doesn't make it so. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

Keen is commenting on the neoclassical 'trolls' who cite Nordhaus as proof AGW can be ignored.

Keen wouldn't know either. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

C-B wants to build the largest PV array in the world; he sees a green global economy - with near-zero cost of electricity for all - as achievable.

Exactly where has he said he will provide "near-zero cost of electricity for all". Everywhere there are large renewables has seen costs rise. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

The IPCC admit a chance of an AGW emergency.

And yet you can't cite the paper that says this. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

Crippled brain: the public these days tend to accept the science as presented by fearless scientists.

Sheeple accept. Scientists are by nature sceptics. That is why we have advances in science - they question the status quo. Yours is simply a belief system. Gaia will provide. Dummy. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

...backwards as usual....you calling someone a dummy is moot.

When you don't have basic accounting and say you understand economics, when you don't have any science, when you don't have any engineering - you prove the point. Dummy. Roll Eyes

Keen proved MMT with and accounting package. Grin

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21394 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #599 - Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:39pm 1.5C? oh dear - According to Berkeley Earth land only it passed 1.5C back in about 1930.
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