lee wrote on May 17^th, 2023 at 3:11pm:
 
Wrong again. It takes longer to build new pumped hydro storage and the necessary new transmission grid, than  new coal plants which  can feed into the existing grid.

Therefore China must keep building coal plants to lift the living standards of its poor, while it continues to build renewables faster than any other country. 

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You are still  forgetting the poverty reduction task facing India and China NOW; nevertheless with Dutton and co in Oz, China is likely to achieve net zero before Oz...

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I think you meant we DON'T have economy of scale here?  (Oz PVs will be much more expensive than  China's, just as an Oz NEV would be much more expensive  than a BYD import).

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Not "everything", just the essentials. Spot the difference?

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Nonsense. The quantum of renewables powering  the Chinese grid is growing all the time. Eventually eveything will be made with renewables.

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thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 1:57pm:


So they can't use old retired ones? Oh dear.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 1:57pm:


Which means CO2 emissions are not urgent. Remember the not science base IPCC report said 3 Years.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 1:57pm:


Nope. CO2 emissions either are or are not urgent.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 1:57pm:


Thanks for that.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 1:57pm:



Nope. Only renewables. Too much variation inter hour, inter day, inter month . 

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Why upgrade when Solar is so cheap and faster to install.


thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:


But 3 years makes it most urgent. Development can progress at a slower pace.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:



Actually I don't care about emissions reductions. Poverty reduction yes. But your claim is that emissions MUST be reduced.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:


So analyse  inter hour, inter day and inter month variation, but I will add seasonal variation.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:



So you prove once again you can't pass comprehension. Nothing in my post, or your previous post, said anything about 'free'.

Under the Greens policies we have suffered in Australia.
The prices for electricity have doubled and tripled - people can't afford energy.
Many old people will die from the cold this winter and
many places will go out of business due to the high costs.

We should have built one last large coal fired power station to tide
us over until renewables were cheap enough.
We could have used the cleanest coal in the world -
anthracite from Queensland's Bowen basin.

Meanwhile -
China gets off Scott free and is building scores of coal fired power stations
and has cheap energy.

The Greens are destroying Australia.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 12:43pm:


But if CO2 emissions are so important, it must be done. Besides, China is a developing Country in name only.

"China's loans pushing world’s poorest countries to brink of collapse"
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/clock-hit-midnight-china-loans-050244288.html

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 12:43pm:


Being in the minority doesn't make me wrong.

But you haven't shown where fossil fuels have been "injurious to health".

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 12:43pm:


So says tgd the classical thought policeman.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 12:43pm:


And yet you haven't been able to show it.

"You want to run towards that light? Here’s a sneak preview of what you’ll get. The U.S., more advanced than Canada in terms of wind/solar penetration – some states now producing significant proportions of power from wind or solar – recently received a very cold bucket of water over the head with respect to renewables plans from none other than FERC (Federal Energy Regulatory Commission) commissioners.

Note that these commissioners include chairman Willie Phillips, a Biden appointee. Here are quotes from commissioners (including Mr. Phillips) testifying at a Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee hearing: “The United States is heading for a catastrophic situation in terms of reliability…We face unprecedented challenges to the reliability of our nation’s electric system…[there is a] looming reliability crisis in our electricity markets.”"

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/05/18/column-net-zero-2050-thats-nothing-hold-m...

Wow. Electricity reliability is falling even before the 2050 cut off date.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 12:43pm:



So you want "everything for free". Why does that apply to me? But I just searched and there are only 3 instances of that phrase. And guess how far back they go?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 12:43pm:


And another example of your twisting words to suit yourself. Some may call it lying.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:


"Relatively poor" is not the same as living in poverty.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:


Except when they can't pay back. Then they come back with an alternative; like fishing rights.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:


And yet you haven't shown that.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:


Poor little marxist. The truth hurts doesn't it?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:


Ah "common sense" something of which you have show a distinct lack. Seeing as you don't do science, engineering etc, you rely on 'feelings'.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:


Poor planning in that renewables are overtaking the generation scene. That is not the fault of fossil fuel companies.  Closing down ff generators means they no longer have that income stream.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:


And nothing to do with "free". Thanks for that.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:


And yet you can't provide the quote where I said it?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:



Did I?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 11:15am:


So once again it is feelings not facts. "relatively poor" is relative and not the same as poverty. BTW you misspelt a*se.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 11:15am:



You are trying to tell the Chinese? How is that going?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 11:15am:


Yes I do. But you still can't offer proof. Perhaps you don't have google.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 11:15am:


So the Marxist countries only did it for love?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 11:15am:



And yet you said all they had to do was put the solar panels "up in the air". Wind blown sand up to 1,000m and more would suggest that the notion is foolish; but you KNOW better.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 11:15am:


Ross Garnaut, definitely an economist, definitely not an engineer.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 11:15am:



Ah. See what happens when you explain exactly what you mean. So with free money everything is free? Don't need workers then.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 11:15am:


Nope. Now you are talking about MMT again. You do get sidetracked easily.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 11:15am:



You haven't said anything about paying for goods, except of course to say it is all the capitalists fault for making people (and Countries) pay interest. Your great hope China isn't doing it, and no they are not constrained by the IMF, World Bank or anyone else.