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Reply #300 - Aug 23rd, 2022 at 5:06pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 4:44pm:
Already addressed, correlation begs action. 



Rubbish. People drown in water less than  30cm deep. Get rid of all water. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 4:44pm:
.eg, in geological time, high CO2 levels  correlated with high sea levels, might be smart to act on CO2 emissions. 


You do know that the Grenland ice cores disagree? That the SLR "acceleration" is purely a function of the satellite "data", The satellites that have altimerter accuracy if +/-33mm, and somehow derive a signal of 3mm. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 4:44pm:
By reporting what the IPCC told him.



You mean the IPCC told him porkies? Naughty IPCC. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Edit: the IPCC AR6 says nothing about "choking". Why is that. You said he got it from the scientists, right? right?

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 4:44pm:
No;  the IPCC wants to control the narrative:


"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is an independent body founded under the auspices of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP). "

https://unfccc.int/topics/science/workstreams/cooperation-with-the-ipcc/backgrou...

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 4:44pm:
(from the link)


I wonder why they didn't tell of the low and medium confidence? Wink
Edit2 :And if it across the "whole climate system" why is there that pesky trouble with Floods and Drought?

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 4:44pm:
No; from CO poisoning.


CO is not a greenhouse gas.  I thought you were all about climate. CO kills. It can be found in the toxicology reports on the deceased. There have been no such results  found in autopsies for death by CO2.

Tell us when you find something specific about AGW in the AR6 report. Not alarmist generalisations.

Why is it you don't want to discuss Mars and Venus CO2? CO2 causes cold or heat? Wink
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Reply #301 - Aug 24th, 2022 at 6:24pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 5:06pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 4:44pm:
Already addressed, correlation begs action. 


Rubbish. People drown in water less than  30cm deep. Get rid of all water. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Brain dead comment, pass.

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You do know that the Grenland ice cores disagree? That the SLR "acceleration" is purely a function of the satellite "data", The satellites that have altimerter accuracy if +/-33mm, and somehow derive a signal of 3mm. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


https://www.parliament.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/372266/09_Glikson....

Dr Andrew Glikson
Earth and paleoclimate scientist
Australian National University

"The unacceptable consequences of a continuation of human business-as-usual inertia in terms of extreme weather events—droughts, fires, cyclones and sea
level rise
—require urgent deep cuts in carbon gas emissions and fast track development of alternative energy utilities and carbon down-draw technology
aimed at reduction of atmospheric CO2-e levels to below 350 ppm."


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You mean the IPCC told him porkies? Naughty IPCC. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Yes, that's what I mean

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Edit: the IPCC AR6 says nothing about "choking". Why is that. You said he got it from the scientists, right? right?


It's called salesmanship....

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"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is an independent body founded under the auspices of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP). "


Correct. Guterrez is merely the spokesman.

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I wonder why they didn't tell of the low and medium confidence? Wink
Edit2 :And if it across the "whole climate system" why is there that pesky trouble with Floods and Drought?
 

see Dr. Glikson's report, above.

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CO is not a greenhouse gas.  I thought you were all about climate. CO kills.


No, I'm equally, if not more about health-destroying filth from fossil combustion. 

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Tell us when you find something specific about AGW in the AR6 report. Not alarmist generalisations.


I leave that to the scientists like Glikson.

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Why is it you don't want to discuss Mars and Venus CO2? CO2 causes cold or heat? Wink


I'm much more interested in cheap energy for all on planet earth, from sun and wind ASAP, perhaps unless/until  fusion power is a reality.
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Reply #302 - Aug 24th, 2022 at 6:36pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
https://www.parliament.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/372266/09_Glikson....

Dr Andrew Glikson
Earth and paleoclimate scientist
Australian National University

"The unacceptable consequences of a continuation of human business-as-usual inertia in terms of extreme weather events—droughts, fires, cyclones and sea
level rise
—require urgent deep cuts in carbon gas emissions and fast track development of alternative energy utilities and carbon down-draw technology
aimed at reduction of atmospheric CO2-e levels to below 350 ppm."



Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
ACT government submission, 2009

How many coal fired power stations has china built since Mr Glikson's submission?

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Reply #303 - Aug 24th, 2022 at 6:48pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
Brain dead comment, pass.

Just like yours. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
https://www.parliament.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/372266/09_Glikson....

Dr Andrew Glikson
Earth and paleoclimate scientist
Australian National University

"The unacceptable consequences of a continuation of human business-as-usual inertia in terms of extreme weather events—droughts, fires, cyclones and sea level rise—require urgent deep cuts in carbon gas emissions and fast track development of alternative energy utilities and carbon down-draw technology
aimed at reduction of atmospheric CO2-e levels to below 350 ppm."



Oh dear. Appeal to authority ... Fail.And nowhere does he give an estimation of SLR, so you are just mindlessly bloviating. What isn't said is that he is a buddy of Michael E Mann of "hockeystick" infamy. The one the IPCC only used once because it was so shoddy.Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

You remember how the IPCC says RCP8.5 both is and isn't "business-as-usual". Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
lee wrote Yesterday at 3:06pm:
thegreatdivide wrote Yesterday at 2:44pm:
Already addressed, correlation begs action.


Rubbish. People drown in water less than  30cm deep. Get rid of all water. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Brain dead comment, pass.

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You do know that the Grenland ice cores disagree? That the SLR "acceleration" is purely a function of the satellite "data", The satellites that have altimerter accuracy if +/-33mm, and somehow derive a signal of 3mm. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


https://www.parliament.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/372266/09_Glikson....

Dr Andrew Glikson
Earth and paleoclimate scientist
Australian National University

"The unacceptable consequences of a continuation of human business-as-usual inertia in terms of extreme weather events—droughts, fires, cyclones and sea
level rise—require urgent deep cuts in carbon gas emissions and fast track development of alternative energy utilities and carbon down-draw technology
aimed at reduction of atmospheric CO2-e levels to below 350 ppm."

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You mean the IPCC told him porkies? Naughty IPCC.


Yes, that's what I mean


That shows it wasn't what you mean. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
It's called salesmanship....


It is called lying. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
Guterrez is merely the spokesman.


A spokesman who can't even tell the message straight. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
see Dr. Glikson's report, above.


Why where does he tell us about the "whole climate system"? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
No, I'm equally, if not more about health-destroying filth from fossil combustion.


Has it destroyed your health? Perhaps that is why you feel strongly. Although you don't seem to care about impoverished villagers burning dung etc. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
I leave that to the scientists like Glikson.


So you don't know and believe everything a scientist tells you. Roll Eyes

Like the recent report that earth is the hottest it has been for 10,000 years and yet stumps still show up regularly 100km above the snowline. Roll Eyes
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
I'm much more interested in cheap energy for all on planet earth, from sun and wind ASAP, perhaps unless/until  fusion power is a reality.



It is only "cheap" energy if you have a stable "cheap" backup. e:Smiley
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Reply #304 - Aug 25th, 2022 at 11:23am
 
A terrific analysis

Labor Living In Cloud Cuckoo Land On Energy Policy Future
Written by Scott Hargreaves  20 August 2022


The Albanese government’s energy policy and AEMO’s latest plan achieve that rare feat of being both unrealistic and unaffordable, while also making the system less reliable.
...
From an engineering standpoint, each additional renewable energy project reduces system-wide reliability. Companies cannot commercially operate base-load power stations, which need to run for 70–80 per cent of the time, when wholesale power prices are so often negative.

The reason prices are negative is because renewable energy generates spasmodically depending on the vagaries of the weather. This is why wholesale electricity prices increased over 85 per cent when the 1600MW Hazelwood power station in Victoria closed with six months’ notice in 2017.

As coal-fired baseload generation has been under increasing pressure, gas-fired generation has supplied the peak load and covered for renewables when weather conditions take them out of the market. But as Australians have witnessed this winter, exploration and development of gas supplies have not kept up with demand for energy.

It is also of concern that the Albanese government’s move to legislate emission-reduction targets will hand further legal ammunition to activists to use the courts to block new coal and gas projects, further reducing the sources of the only fuels that keep the lights on.

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Across the five regions of the NEM, households would face average annual energy bill increases of between 95 and 125 per cent, with the average annual bill in NSW rising up to $2600 a year.

Renewable energy supporters suggest batteries and pumped hydro can be the source of back-up power. Yet grid-scale batteries remain small.

If it ran at maximum capacity, the vaunted 150MW battery in South Australia could supply 5 per cent of the state’s peak demand for just one hour. Meanwhile, Snowy 2.0’s cost overruns and lack of answers on transmission capacity is making it a joke. Total projected costs have blown out beyond $12bn.

There are also further challenges to the renewable energy generators’ social licence to operate that AEMO is so often concerned about.

About 90 per cent of solar panels installed in Australia come from China. Polysilicon is a critical part of solar panels, and 45 per cent of global polysilicon comes from the Uighur region in China.

According to a 2021 report by a team at Sheffield Hallam University, all manufacturers of polysilicon in the Uighur region have either used forced labour or been supplied raw materials by companies that have.

There is also the emerging waste problem of how to dispose of old solar panels.

A 2021 article in Harvard Business Review, The Dark Side of Solar Panels, highlighted this issue, noting that “the economics of solar – so bright-seeming from the vantage point of 2021 – would darken quickly as the industry sinks under the weight of its own trash”. The article notes there has also been no serious discussion about the recycling of wind turbine blades.
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Germany thought it had a plan when it was retiring both coal and nuclear while building renewables. However, we now know the system only worked at all because of the gas supplied by Russia. As Vladimir Putin turns the tap on and off, there has been a scramble towards something more realistic.

Back in Australia, it would have been better if the former ­Coalition government had not let Scott Morrison succumb to Boris Johnson’s fantasy of a global agreement on net zero. However, we at least now have the opportunity to avoid Europe’s fate through exploring nuclear and prolonging the life of coal-fired power stations.

Proponents of renewable energy raise objections that nuclear will take too long and will require governments to effectively underwrite construction. That is, they demonise nuclear energy for requiring governments to take the same supportive and long-term approach the renewables lobby has been demanding, and enjoying, for decades.

The electricity market was officially suspended for the first time in June and is effectively being ­nationalised on a command and control model.

When Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen occasionally hops behind the rhetorical wall of “the market” just to take potshots at nuclear energy, it is proof of his rhetorical agility, but not his credibility.

Despite its title, the government’s Rewiring the Nation is not in fact a plan. A workable plan would not allow reliable capacity to be diminished until a dependable future solution arrives.
Sensible people would not sell their brand new car and commit to driving an unreliable wreck that may or may not start, while waiting a decade for a newer model that may or may not arrive. But that is what Australia is doing.

The modern electricity grid, which has been developed over the past century, provides a remarkably high level of reliable supply. What Australians must face is that it is about to get a whole lot more unreliable. This is not an energy transition, it is a regression.


https://ipa.org.au/ipa-today/labor-living-in-cloud-cuckoo-land-on-energy-policy-...
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Reply #305 - Aug 25th, 2022 at 1:52pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 24th, 2022 at 6:48pm:
That shows it wasn't what you mean. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


The fact is Guterres is reporting the IPCC  consensus.

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It is called lying. Roll Eyes 


Not when it's a consensus (unlike the junk advertising your vicious neoliberal economy relies on for its ill-begotten profits. 

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A spokesman who can't even tell the message straight. Roll Eyes


The IPCC  message is we have to exit fossils ASAP., which is what Gutteres is saying,. 

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Why where does he tell us about the "whole climate system"? Roll Eyes


He doesn't follow your version of science. .

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Has it destroyed your health? Perhaps that is why you feel strongly.


Of course it's those whose health has been compromised.

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Although you don't seem to care about impoverished villagers burning dung etc. Roll Eyes


and the smoke in confined kitchens  ruins their health also.

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So you don't know and believe everything a scientist tells you. Roll Eyes


I go for the IPCC consensus.

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Like the recent report that earth is the hottest it has been for 10,000 years and yet stumps still show up regularly 100km above the snowline. Roll Eyes


You better re write that....Everest is only c.9 kms high.

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It is only "cheap" energy if you have a stable "cheap" backup. e:Smiley


Correct. According to an ANU study, there are sufficient pumped hydro sites to achieve stability. 
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Reply #306 - Aug 25th, 2022 at 4:20pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
The fact is Guterres is reporting the IPCC  consensus.



No he is not. The IPCC Consensus is low confidence for increased flood and medium confidence for droughts. It is in the report. The report shows the consensus position. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
Not when it's a consensus (unlike the junk advertising your vicious neoliberal economy relies on for its ill-begotten profits. 

See above.

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
The IPCC  message is we have to exit fossils ASAP., which is what Gutteres is saying,. 


The IPCC message is not about a "Coed Red" across the "whole climates system". Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
He doesn't follow your version of science. .

That is the IPCC version of the science as I showed. I will repeat irt for you.

"Floods - In summary there is low confidence in the human influence on the changes in high river flows on the global scale. Confidence is in general low in attributing changes in the probability or magnitude of flood events to human influence because of a limited number of studies and differences in the results of these studies, and large modelling uncertainties. "

IPCC  AR6 WG1 11.5.4  (that's IPCC report AR6 ( The Physical Science Basis) Chapter 11 Para 5.4

"Droughts - There is medium confidence in the ability of ESMs to simulate trends and anomalies in precipitation deficits and AED, and also medium confidence in the ability of ESMs and hydrological models to simulate trends and anomalies in soil moisture and streamflow deficits, on global and regional scales"

IPCC AR6 WG1 11.6.3.6 (IPCC AR6 Chapter 11 Para 6.3.6) Roll Eyes

I will make it really easy for you.-

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_Chapter11.pdf

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
Of course it's those whose health has been compromised.



So it is not your health. So you know nothing. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grinthegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
and the smoke in confined kitchens  ruins their health also.

Yes it does from the dung fires and lack of chimneys etc. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
I go for the IPCC consensus.

See  above.

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
You better re write that....Everest is only c.9 kms high.



The snowline is not a vertical height but an angular distance as in latitude. You really are a numpty. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
According to an ANU study, there are sufficient pumped hydro sites to achieve stability. 


Yes and it won't cost anything and all the sites will work as described even though there has been no soil testing. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #307 - Aug 29th, 2022 at 12:16pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 25th, 2022 at 4:20pm:
The IPCC message is not about a "Coed Red" across the "whole climates system". Roll Eyes


Of course it is: the need to exit fossils ASAP - the IPCC message transmitted to Guterres -  IS a "code red".


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That is the IPCC version of the science as I showed. I will repeat irt for you.


No ...that;s your version...

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So it is not your health. So you know nothing. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Denial of reality.

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The snowline is not a vertical height but an angular distance as in latitude. You really are a numpty. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


"snowline 100 kms".....?

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Yes and it won't cost anything and all the sites will work as described even though there has been no soil testing. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Correct, only a fraction of identified possible sites will be required (and the only cost is an 'opportunity cost' not a monetary cost ie,  'cost' in resources diverted to the green economy....immaterial, given we must exit fossils ASAP, even  if only for reasons of human health and sustainable cheap energy for all.   

Interestingly, David Pocock has made it clear he will be voting with the  Greens in the Senate on climate policy; the govt won't be able to open new oil or gas fields. Good. 
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Reply #308 - Aug 29th, 2022 at 1:09pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 12:16pm:
Of course it is: the need to exit fossils ASAP - the IPCC message transmitted to Guterres -  IS a "code red".


Nope. Merely Guterre3s interpretation. Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 12:16pm:
No ...that;s your version...


Nope. The li9nk is to the IPCC AR6 repoirt WG1 The Physical Science Basis. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 12:16pm:
Denial of reality.


Yes we know you do. Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 12:16pm:
"snowline 100 kms".....?



Yes. Snowline as a latitudinal measure say 5\ 65º N.

"Latitude is one factor which dictates the position of the snow line in different parts of the globe. On the equator, the snow line is usually found at an altitude of 15,000 feet above sea level. The position of the snow line varies as one moves away from the equator and reaches as high as 18,700 feet above sea level in the Himalayas which lie near the Tropic of Cancer. The snow line is non-existent in the Andes Mountains which lie on the Tropic of Capricorn, something which is attributed to the aridity of the area. The effect of latitude eclipses that of altitude in the position of the snow line in the earth’s Polar Regions. In the Polar Regions, the snow line is found at the sea level which is evident in the presence of ice caps.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-is-the-snow-line.html

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 12:16pm:
Correct, only a fraction of identified possible sites will be required (and the only cost is an 'opportunity cost' not a monetary cost ie,  'cost' in resources diverted to the green economy....immaterial, given we must exit fossils ASAP, even  if only for reasons of human health and sustainable cheap energy for all.   


Thank for agreeing with me that there has been no testing of the ground merely a map. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 12:16pm:
Interestingly, David Pocock has made it clear he will be voting with the  Greens in the Senate on climate policy; the govt won't be able to open new oil or gas fields.


It is still a vote., And the Greens have to have the numbers. Do you think the Coalition will vote for or against Labor in this? Wink

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Reply #309 - Aug 30th, 2022 at 2:12pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 1:09pm:
It is still a vote., And the Greens have to have the numbers. Do you think the Coalition will vote for or against Labor in this? Wink


The Greens plus Pocock have the numbers to block Labor...unless Labor vote with the Coalition. 

That should destroy Labor's already shaky primary vote, at the next election...and the 2 party duopoly as well.

A good thing, as proponents of free, clean energy render the 2 party system increasingly obsolete.
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thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 2:12pm:
That should destroy Labor's already shaky primary vote, at the next election...and the 2 party duopoly as well.



Or just make it a one term government. Roll Eyes
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One of Australia’s biggest commodity exports has surged to record levels, with the price of Newcastle coal soaring to all-time highs as miners cash in amid a deepening energy crisis in ­Europe.

The thermal coal rose to a new high with Newcastle futures trading above $US440 ($648) a tonne, more than doubling since the start of 2022, with Europe’s energy crisis set to worsen as Russia considers a long-term halt of gas supplies to the continent.




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Reply #312 - Sep 6th, 2022 at 9:17am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 6th, 2022 at 9:10am:
One of Australia’s biggest commodity exports has surged to record levels, with the price of Newcastle coal soaring to all-time highs as miners cash in amid a deepening energy crisis in ­Europe.

The thermal coal rose to a new high with Newcastle futures trading above $US440 ($648) a tonne, more than doubling since the start of 2022, with Europe’s energy crisis set to worsen as Russia considers a long-term halt of gas supplies to the continent.





Wow - it used to be only about $60 per tonne.


https://publicnewstime.com/news/finance/coal-the-star-performer-as-energy-crisis...

For Australia, one of our biggest commodity exports has surged to record levels as a result of the energy crisis, with the price of Newcastle coal soaring to all-time highs as miners cash in amid a deepening energy crisis in ­Europe. The price of thermal coal rose to a new high recently with Newcastle futures trading above $US440 ($648) a tonne, more than doubling since the start of 2022. Australian coal producers have been the market star performers year to date – with Whitehaven +225 per cent Stanmore Resources 144 per cent & Teracom up 450 per cent.
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Reply #313 - Sep 6th, 2022 at 9:27am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2022 at 9:17am:
Frank wrote on Sep 6th, 2022 at 9:10am:
One of Australia’s biggest commodity exports has surged to record levels, with the price of Newcastle coal soaring to all-time highs as miners cash in amid a deepening energy crisis in ­Europe.

The thermal coal rose to a new high with Newcastle futures trading above $US440 ($648) a tonne, more than doubling since the start of 2022, with Europe’s energy crisis set to worsen as Russia considers a long-term halt of gas supplies to the continent.





Wow - it used to be only about $60 per tonne.


https://publicnewstime.com/news/finance/coal-the-star-performer-as-energy-crisis...

For Australia, one of our biggest commodity exports has surged to record levels as a result of the energy crisis, with the price of Newcastle coal soaring to all-time highs as miners cash in amid a deepening energy crisis in ­Europe. The price of thermal coal rose to a new high recently with Newcastle futures trading above $US440 ($648) a tonne, more than doubling since the start of 2022. Australian coal producers have been the market star performers year to date – with Whitehaven +225 per cent Stanmore Resources 144 per cent & Teracom up 450 per cent.

And all those silly bugger, PC supperannuation funds that divested from coal......
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Reply #314 - Sep 6th, 2022 at 9:31am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 6th, 2022 at 9:27am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2022 at 9:17am:
Frank wrote on Sep 6th, 2022 at 9:10am:
One of Australia’s biggest commodity exports has surged to record levels, with the price of Newcastle coal soaring to all-time highs as miners cash in amid a deepening energy crisis in ­Europe.

The thermal coal rose to a new high with Newcastle futures trading above $US440 ($648) a tonne, more than doubling since the start of 2022, with Europe’s energy crisis set to worsen as Russia considers a long-term halt of gas supplies to the continent.





Wow - it used to be only about $60 per tonne.


https://publicnewstime.com/news/finance/coal-the-star-performer-as-energy-crisis...

For Australia, one of our biggest commodity exports has surged to record levels as a result of the energy crisis, with the price of Newcastle coal soaring to all-time highs as miners cash in amid a deepening energy crisis in ­Europe. The price of thermal coal rose to a new high recently with Newcastle futures trading above $US440 ($648) a tonne, more than doubling since the start of 2022. Australian coal producers have been the market star performers year to date – with Whitehaven +225 per cent Stanmore Resources 144 per cent & Teracom up 450 per cent.

And all those silly bugger, PC supperannuation funds that divested from coal......



They are lunatics.
Coal has a future.
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