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Reply #240 - Jul 14^th, 2022 at 10:14pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 9:31pm:

ROTFL. Haiti, a failed state (pop. half Oz) with communal rioting like an increasing number of failed states, gets $7 million from the Instant Misery Fund, when it needs at least $10 billion to transition to renewables, forget another $20 billion to bring housing and (non-energy) infrastructure up to standard.

So an island of less than 30,00 sq km needs at least $10 billion? And you were saying renewables are cheap. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 9:31pm:

at makes you think he understands anything economic? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

He doesn't, but that doesn't mean you do.....#231 is still waiting for you to at least try to exonerate yourself somewhat...

You have shown you have no clue. Bye. Grin

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Reply #241 - Jul 14^th, 2022 at 10:37pm

lee wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 10:14pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 9:31pm:

ROTFL. Haiti, a failed state (pop. half Oz) with communal rioting like an increasing number of failed states, gets $7 million from the Instant Misery Fund, when it needs at least $10 billion to transition to renewables, forget another $20 billion to bring housing and (non-energy) infrastructure up to standard.

So an island of less than 30,00 sq km needs at least $10 billion? And you were saying renewables are cheap. Grin

I have always said renewable energy will be free, once the infrastructure is built, est. 'cost': starting around $100 trillion for the globe, but that 'cost' is resources, not money which is fre....oh never mind.

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You have shown you have no clue. Bye. Grin

Too inadequate or frightened to even try to identify the error in #231?

Intellectual cowardice, maybe.

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Reply #243 - Aug 17^th, 2022 at 1:07am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 4:29pm:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/586/830/original/0e0fbf...

1. China is already the world's largest producer and consumer of renewable electricity, and proceeding apace with it's emissions reduction time-table

2. China has ceased funding more overseas coal projects.

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Reply #244 - Aug 17^th, 2022 at 10:09am

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 1:07am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 4:29pm:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/586/830/original/0e0fbf...

1. China is already the world's largest producer and consumer of renewable electricity, and proceeding apace with it's emissions reduction time-table

2. China has ceased funding more overseas coal projects.

Context-free = deliberately misleading eyewash.

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Reply #245 - Aug 17^th, 2022 at 12:31pm

Frank wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 10:09am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 1:07am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 4:29pm:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/586/830/original/0e0fbf...

1. China is already the world's largest producer and consumer of renewable electricity, and proceeding apace with it's emissions reduction time-table

2. China has ceased funding more overseas coal projects.

Context-free = deliberately misleading eyewash.

You must know Germany is switching back to coal, as a result of trying to wean itself off Russian gas.

China must face the same transition problems as everyone else ie how to develop sufficient storage for renewables, to deal with extreme weather events like extended periods of extreme cold or heat which increase demand for electricity.

So no, your anti-China bias is showing.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20682 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #246 - Aug 17^th, 2022 at 1:51pm thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 12:31pm: You must know Germany is switching back to coal, as a result of trying to wean itself off Russian gas. Actually they were reopening coal mines before their Ukraine War. What they found is renewables are unreliables.
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Reply #247 - Aug 17^th, 2022 at 1:57pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 1:07am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 4:29pm:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/586/830/original/0e0fbf...

1. China is already the world's largest producer and consumer of renewable electricity, and proceeding apace with it's emissions reduction time-table

2. China has ceased funding more overseas coal projects.

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Reply #248 - Aug 17^th, 2022 at 2:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 1:57pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 1:07am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 4:29pm:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/586/830/original/0e0fbf...

1. China is already the world's largest producer and consumer of renewable electricity, and proceeding apace with it's emissions reduction time-table

2. China has ceased funding more overseas coal projects.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/106/957/161/original/260a79...

That's because China is bigger than all those economies put together. And the fact remains, China is the largest producer and consumer of renewables....and increasing as per the 5 year plans to carbon neutrality. Increasing coal will peak in 2030.

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Reply #249 - Aug 17^th, 2022 at 2:56pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 2:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 1:57pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 1:07am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 4:29pm:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/586/830/original/0e0fbf...

1. China is already the world's largest producer and consumer of renewable electricity, and proceeding apace with it's emissions reduction time-table

2. China has ceased funding more overseas coal projects.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/106/957/161/original/260a79...

That's because China is bigger than all those economies put together. And the fact remains, China is the largest producer and consumer of renewables....and increasing as per the 5 year plans to carbon neutrality. Increasing coal will peak in 2030.

Don't make excuses for the Chinese destroying our planet.

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Reply #250 - Aug 17^th, 2022 at 4:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 2:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 2:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 1:57pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 1:07am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 4:29pm:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/586/830/original/0e0fbf...

1. China is already the world's largest producer and consumer of renewable electricity, and proceeding apace with it's emissions reduction time-table

2. China has ceased funding more overseas coal projects.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/106/957/161/original/260a79...

That's because China is bigger than all those economies put together. And the fact remains, China is the largest producer and consumer of renewables....and increasing as per the 5 year plans to carbon neutrality. Increasing coal will peak in 2030.

Don't make excuses for the Chinese destroying our planet.

Er ... American CO2 emissions per capita are five times those of China's. And yet you want the Chinese to disappear, so you can keep burning fossils.

We are all destroying the planet, some individuals are contributing to that destruction more than others, and most of those particular individuals are in the First world.

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Reply #251 - Aug 17^th, 2022 at 4:21pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 2:43pm:

And the fact remains, China is the largest producer and consumer of renewables.

A whole 11.7% Grin

https://www.statista.com/statistics/302233/china-power-generation-by-source/

.thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 4:06pm:

American CO2 emissions per capita are five times those of China's.

oh the per capita wankfest. If it is only per capita amounts that count we can rest easy until China catches up. Grin

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Reply #252 - Aug 17^th, 2022 at 4:27pm

lee wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 4:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 2:43pm:

And the fact remains, China is the largest producer and consumer of renewables.

A whole 11.7% Grin

still more than any other country

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oh the per capita wankfest. If it is only per capita amounts that count we can rest easy until China catches up. Grin

No wankfest; the individuals who are most responsible for CO2 emissions are the ones who must reduce them the most.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20682 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #253 - Aug 17^th, 2022 at 5:02pm thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 4:27pm: No wankfest; the individuals who are most responsible for CO2 emissions are the ones who must reduce them the most. So country emissions don't count. Therefore we can wait for China to catch up.
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Reply #254 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 4:56pm

lee wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 5:02pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 4:27pm:

No wankfest; the individuals who are most responsible for CO2 emissions are the ones who must reduce them the most.

So country emissions don't count. Therefore we can wait for China to catch up. Roll Eyes

There are 8 billion of us, the most responsible must do the most. When the 1st world's per capita emissions are reduced to 3rd/developing-world levels, then you can start demanding India and China pull their weight.

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