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Reply #180 - Jun 25^th, 2022 at 5:14pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24^th, 2022 at 10:32pm:

Don't you watch TV? Practically everyone these days is concluding a statement with -...(this negative phenomenom) "is due to climate change".

...AGW or not....

Oh, if they say it on telly then it's true. No. They are genuflecting. A few hundred years ago most of them would have said it's the devil's work or God's punishment for our sins ( some still say that).

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Reply #181 - Jul 5^th, 2022 at 12:14am

lee wrote on Jun 25^th, 2022 at 4:33pm:

No they are in the earth's atmosphere where you want to shone the light. Roll Eyes

A system designed to reflect light to the 'dark side' of the earth...ok still theoretical. Where I live the night sky is more often cloudless than in day time.

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Define "plenty". Grin

Well... govt, with the full backing of business and electricity consumers. ..

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Much closer. Less losses. Maybe feasible.

I presume the Pilbara mob have costed the losses.

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So nothing there about the carbon source and CO2 emissions. Roll Eyes

They said running by 2026; we will have to wait to confirm. Even so we need to roll-out present green technologies ASAP to allow rapid closure of fossil plants.

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Plenty? 440 parts per million is plenty? Grin

I assume plenty, to carbonize steel.

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It may be done it may not be done. Roll Eyes

I'm guessing it will be done IF climate continues to deteriorate - as most everyone (except you) is claiming.

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yes. So many people with no STEM subjects. Grin

I feel your pain...most don't understand money is created ex nihilo, either. But they will when central bankers tell us (if AGW is real) we must monopolize available resources to save the planet...

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #182 - Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:23pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 12:14am:

Where I live the night sky is more often cloudless than in day time.

More often? As in the skies are always cloudy in daylight? Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 12:14am:

Well... govt, with the full backing of business and electricity consumers. ..

Ah nirvana. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 12:14am:

I presume the Pilbara mob have costed the losses.

You presume? Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 12:14am:

Even so we need to roll-out present green technologies ASAP to allow rapid closure of fossil plants.

Not at all. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 12:14am:

I assume plenty, to carbonize steel.

Oh dear. Such a lack of any subjects.

"Carbon steel is a steel with carbon content from about 0.05 up to 2.1 percent by weight."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_steel

400ppm of CO2 would give (multiplying by 3/11) 109 parts per million of Carbon.

1 Cu Cm of air weighs about 1.29Kg at 15C. Carbon is about 0.14grams in air.

1 Cu cm of carbon steel is 0.01kg

2.1% of 0.01kg or 10 grams is 0.21 grams of carbon per cu cm.

Nope not enough CO2 in air to make steel. And it would kill everything if you sequestered the lot. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 12:14am:

I'm guessing it will be done IF climate continues to deteriorate - as most everyone (except you) is claiming.

What has it deteriorated from? The LIA? The Holocene Optimum?

Who is this most everyone? The IPCC that says both RCP8.5 is implausible and that it is also business-as-usual? They can't even get tghe science straight., Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 12:14am:

But they will when central bankers tell us (if AGW is real) we must monopolize available resources to save the planet...

And what will they tell Central bankers when it is benign? Grin

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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #183 - Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:28pm lee wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:23pm: snip the crying Wait, that's it?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20338 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #184 - Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:32pm FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:28pm: lee wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:23pm: snip the crying Wait, that's it? Is that the best you can do? Show us your Science bits and refute instead of promulgating lies.
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Reply #185 - Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:32pm

lee wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:32pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:28pm:

lee wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:23pm:

*snip the crying*

Wait, that's it?

Is that the best you can do? Show us your Science bits and refute instead of promulgating lies. Grin

I am well aware I've buried all the right wing bullshit here 10 times over and you won't stop crying

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20338 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #186 - Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:34pm FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:32pm: I am well aware I've buried all the right wing bullshit here 10 times over and you won't stop crying Oh dear. Delusions of Adequacy again.
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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #187 - Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:39pm lee wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:34pm: Oh dear. Delusions of Adequacy again. Cry more, old man. LOL!!!
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Reply #188 - Jul 7^th, 2022 at 4:00pm

lee wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:23pm:

More often? As in the skies are always cloudy in daylight? Grin

No , as in the balance of clear versus cloudy...

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Ah nirvana. Grin

Certainly Oz ought to be building solar/wind ASAP and exporting green hydrogen to Japan etc

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You presume? Grin

Yes, because they want to make a profit!

btw, if I was in charge of the central bank, I would buy the entire energy sector, and then profit doesn't matter in the transition to renewables, rather resource availability matters.

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Not at all. Wink

So you keep saying, but the world is leaving you behind now.

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Oh dear. Such a lack of any subjects.

"Carbon steel is a steel with carbon content from about 0.05 up to 2.1 percent by weight."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_steel

400ppm of CO2 would give (multiplying by 3/11) 109 parts per million of Carbon.

1 Cu Cm of air weighs about 1.29Kg at 15C. Carbon is about 0.14grams in air.

1 Cu cm of carbon steel is 0.01kg

2.1% of 0.01kg or 10 grams is 0.21 grams of carbon per cu cm.

Nope not enough CO2 in air to make steel. And it would kill everything if you sequestered the lot. Wink

I think you omitted the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere; 400 ppm, but how many trillion trillion 'parts' in the atmosphere?

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What has it deteriorated from? The LIA? The Holocene Optimum?

Ask the insurance companies. They are wetting their pants at present...as the public sector might have to offer insurance...

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Who is this most everyone? The IPCC that says both RCP8.5 is implausible and that it is also business-as-usual? They can't even get tghe science straight., Grin

Have you identified an error in academia? So who is correct?

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And what will they tell Central bankers when it is benign? Grin

Still, 'mostly' free electricity is attractive, so why not close as much fossil as possible.

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #189 - Jul 7^th, 2022 at 4:36pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 7^th, 2022 at 4:00pm:

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Oh dear. Such a lack of any subjects.

"Carbon steel is a steel with carbon content from about 0.05 up to 2.1 percent by weight."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_steel

400ppm of CO2 would give (multiplying by 3/11) 109 parts per million of Carbon.

1 Cu Cm of air weighs about 1.29Kg at 15C. Carbon is about 0.14grams in air.

1 Cu cm of carbon steel is 0.01kg

2.1% of 0.01kg or 10 grams is 0.21 grams of carbon per cu cm.

Nope not enough CO2 in air to make steel. And it would kill everything if you sequestered the lot. Wink

I think you omitted the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere; 400 ppm, but how many trillion trillion 'parts' in the atmosphere?

Really dumb.

As above -

"400ppm of CO2 would give (multiplying by 3/11) 109 parts per million of Carbon."

The molecular weight of Carbon Dioxide is about 44grams/mol. Carbon (c) being 12, O2 being 16x2. So 32 and 12 =44. Therefore Carbon (C) = 12/44 or 3/11. when 400ppm is multiplied by 3/11 you get 109 parts per million.

It doesn't matter how many trillion parts it still falls back to 400ppm. What you have to do is calculate how much CO2 in a cubic cm, metre or whatever. Which I did.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 7^th, 2022 at 4:00pm:

Ask the insurance companies. They are wetting their pants at present...as the public sector might have to offer insurance..

Why do they do science or statistics? Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 7^th, 2022 at 4:00pm:

Have you identified an error in academia? So who is correct?

Seeing as the IPCC doesn't do science they get their results from academia. You just showed another thing you are lacking. A regular lackwit. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 7^th, 2022 at 4:00pm:

Still, 'mostly' free electricity is attractive, so why not close as much fossil as possible.

So the banks will do it for free. Roll Eyes

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #190 - Jul 7^th, 2022 at 5:17pm

Frank wrote on Jun 25^th, 2022 at 5:14pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24^th, 2022 at 10:32pm:

Don't you watch TV? Practically everyone these days is concluding a statement with -...(this negative phenomenom) "is due to climate change".

...AGW or not....

Oh, if they say it on telly then it's true. No. They are genuflecting. A few hundred years ago most of them would have said it's the devil's work or God's punishment for our sins ( some still say that).

No, they are not genuflecting, they are listening to the science, irrespective of what AGW deniers are saying.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20338 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #191 - Jul 7^th, 2022 at 5:30pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 7^th, 2022 at 5:17pm: No, they are not genuflecting, they are listening to the science, irrespective of what AGW deniers are saying. The "science" that says RCP8.5 is implausible or the "science" that says RCP8.5 is business-as-usual?
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Reply #192 - Jul 7^th, 2022 at 6:58pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 7^th, 2022 at 5:17pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 25^th, 2022 at 5:14pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24^th, 2022 at 10:32pm:

Don't you watch TV? Practically everyone these days is concluding a statement with -...(this negative phenomenom) "is due to climate change".

...AGW or not....

Oh, if they say it on telly then it's true. No. They are genuflecting. A few hundred years ago most of them would have said it's the devil's work or God's punishment for our sins ( some still say that).

No, they are not genuflecting, they are listening to the science, irrespective of what AGW deniers are saying.

You DO realise that AGW is statistics.

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Reply #193 - Jul 7^th, 2022 at 8:05pm

lee wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 1:23pm:

"Carbon steel is a steel with carbon content from about 0.05 up to 2.1 percent by weight."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_steel

400ppm of CO2 would give (multiplying by 3/11) 109 parts per million of Carbon.

1 Cu Cm of air weighs about 1.29Kg at 15C. Carbon is about 0.14grams in air.

1 Cu cm of carbon steel is 0.01kg

2.1% of 0.01kg or 10 grams is 0.21 grams of carbon per cu cm.

Nope.

"1 Cu Cm of air weighs about 1.29Kg at 15C."
The density of air is 1.225 kg/m³.

"1 Cu cm of carbon steel is 0.01kg."
The density of steel is 7.85 g/cm³

"Carbon is about 0.14 grams in air."
I don't even know what this means?

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #194 - Jul 7^th, 2022 at 8:59pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 7^th, 2022 at 8:05pm:

lee wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 11:23am:
"Carbon steel is a steel with carbon content from about 0.05 up to 2.1 percent by weight."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_steel

400ppm of CO2 would give (multiplying by 3/11) 109 parts per million of Carbon.

1 Cu Cm of air weighs about 1.29Kg at 15C. Carbon is about 0.14grams in air.

1 Cu cm of carbon steel is 0.01kg

2.1% of 0.01kg or 10 grams is 0.21 grams of carbon per cu cm.

Nope.

"1 Cu Cm of air weighs about 1.29Kg at 15C."
The density of air is 1.225 kg/m3.

I was wrong.

https://www.aqua-calc.com/calculate/volume-to-weight

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 7^th, 2022 at 8:05pm:

"1 Cu cm of carbon steel is 0.01kg."
The density of steel is 7.85 g/cm3

True again.. 0.01kg is 10g/cm3

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 7^th, 2022 at 8:05pm:

"Carbon is about 0.14 grams in air."
I don't even know what this means?

Damn. CO2 is 400 parts per million in the atmosphere or 0.04%. Carbon is 3/11 of that 0.04% CO2. So let's look at that 1.29kg of air. 1290grams*.04%*3/11 is 0.14gm, So Carbon is 0.14gram in 1 CuMetre of air. Not enough to make steel.

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