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Reply #15 - Jun 3rd, 2022 at 7:41am
 
Firstly, the per capita emission data is three years old, last published
by Ian Tiseo, on 14 April 2022.

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Australia had the highest greenhouse gas emissions per inhabitant of all
OECD nations in 2019, at 21.63 metric tons per capita. This was followed
by the United States and Canada, who produced 19.93 and 19.52 metric
tons per capita respectively.  [my bolding]

Also, this per capita reference doesn't tell the real story;
it's a country's total gas emission amount that's of concern.

Australia = 619.3 million tonnes annually,

United states = 5.8 billion tonnes,
China = 11.7 billion tonnes,
India = 3.4 billion tonnes,
Russia = 2 billion tonnes,
Brazil = 1.5 billion tonnes.

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Reply #16 - Jun 3rd, 2022 at 12:15pm
 
The old per capita wankfest.

Comparatively Australia is a large country with a small population. Added to that most of the industry is in the South East. That means long supply lines to the rest of the country. And most of the population lives on the long stretch of coastline.

Germany with 3.5 times our population lives in an area slightly larger that Victoria and Tasmania combined.
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Reply #17 - Jun 3rd, 2022 at 9:34pm
 

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Reply #18 - Jun 3rd, 2022 at 9:41pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Jun 3rd, 2022 at 7:41am:
Firstly, the per capita emission data is three years old, last published
by Ian Tiseo, on 14 April 2022.

And...

Australia had the highest greenhouse gas emissions per inhabitant of all
OECD nations in 2019, at 21.63 metric tons per capita. This was followed
by the United States and Canada, who produced 19.93 and 19.52 metric
tons per capita respectively.  [my bolding]

Also, this per capita reference doesn't tell the real story;
it's a country's total gas emission amount that's of concern.

Australia = 619.3 million tonnes annually,

United states = 5.8 billion tonnes,
China = 11.7 billion tonnes,
India = 3.4 billion tonnes,
Russia = 2 billion tonnes,
Brazil = 1.5 billion tonnes.


A ridiculous statistical sleight of hand.

Why can't the Gretas of this world be honest?

(They wouldn't be catastrophising Gretas then, would they? Natch. )


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Reply #19 - Jun 4th, 2022 at 12:50pm
 
Belgarion wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 1:10pm:
What utter bullshit. Australias so called 'greenhouse gases' amount to around 1.2% of the world total.  This 'per'capita' bullshit is just the rabid greenies way of trying to excuse the real polluters.  Roll Eyes


Do you think we could halve the problem with China's emissions by splitting the country in two?
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Reply #20 - Jun 4th, 2022 at 3:03pm
 
Belgarion wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 1:10pm:
What utter bullshit. Australias so called 'greenhouse gases' amount to around 1.2% of the world total.  This 'per'capita' bullshit is just the rabid greenies way of trying to excuse the real polluters.  Roll Eyes


On the one hand, Australia producing 1.2% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions is quite high when you consider that Australia's population is only 0.3% of the world's population.

On the other hand, there is a large section of the world's population that does not use industries on a large scale that produce these emissions. And then there is the argument that various first world countries are using clean energy to power their industries.
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Reply #21 - Jun 4th, 2022 at 3:04pm
 
lee wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 2:23pm:
True. If it were only per capita emissions per capita that counted China could keep on keeping on until they caught up.


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Reply #22 - Jun 4th, 2022 at 3:19pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Jun 3rd, 2022 at 7:41am:
Also, this per capita reference doesn't tell the real story;
it's a country's total gas emission amount that's of concern.

Australia = 619.3 million tonnes annually,

United states = 5.8 billion tonnes,
China = 11.7 billion tonnes,
India = 3.4 billion tonnes,
Russia = 2 billion tonnes,
Brazil = 1.5 billion tonnes.


There are 25 million Australians producing 619.3 million tonnes of gas emissions. The United States (330 million) producing 5.8 billion tonnes of gas emissions. The United States having a population 13 times that of Australia would mean that Australia would produce 8 billion tonnes of gas emissions if Australia had the same population as the USA. Or if the USA had the same population as Australia, the USA would be producing 446 million tonnes of gas emissions.

The USA is about 30% of China's population. But the USA is producing half the Chinese gas emissions. Australia produces 1.3 times the amount of emissions per capita that the USA produces.

Clean energy needs to be considered more thoroughly.
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Reply #23 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 1:11am
 
whiteknight wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 5:13am:
Australians were once again the world’s worst coal power polluters per capita in 2021   Sad

May 20 2022
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As both major parties shy away from climate policy during the election campaign, Australia continues to have the highest coal power emissions per person among the world’s major economies.   Sad

Australia produced 4.04 tonnes of carbon dioxide per person from coal-fired power stations last year, according to a new report by energy think tank Ember.

That’s roughly four times the global average, double the average per person in countries like the US and Japan, and more than any other country in the G20 or the OECD.

University of Adelaide energy economist Dr Liam Wagner said he was unsurprised by the ranking, given Australia has long been one of the world’s most coal-dependent countries.

“Australia’s current energy policy has been ineffectual, and has greatly affected our competitiveness and our ability to transition to zero carbon,” he told The New Daily.



Andrew Stock from the Climate Council, who has more than 40 years’ experience in the renewable and traditional energy sectors, said that “Australia’s had its head in the sand for many, many, many years” when it comes to transitioning away from coal.

The impact of this on the climate is tangible in a country like Australia.

“Burning coal on this scale is setting the stage for many fire seasons to come,” Ember’s global lead Dave Jones said.

Dr Wagner said the government hasn’t embraced the transition to renewables despite falling costs, and now the energy providers are playing catch up.

“We’ve been in this position and stuck simply because of policy uncertainty that we’ve had over the last 10 years, if not longer, and it’s really hampered the investment in renewables and made certainly heavy industry more difficult to move to lower carbon practices,” he said.

But the market is starting to shift on its own.

The march of progress
More and more energy providers are looking towards renewables as coal-fired power plants are closed years ahead of schedule.

Last year’s figure of 4.04 tonnes of carbon dioxide per person is down from the previous five years, when coal-fired power stations created on average 5.3 tonnes of carbon dioxide per person.

There are 19 coal-fired power plants around Australia. Most are scheduled to close within the next two decades.

“In fact, companies now are talking about how they progressively close those [coal-fired] plants even sooner,” Mr Stock said.

But experts say it’s still too slow.

Both parties have shied away from climate action during their election campaigns.

“Australia’s solar boom is reducing coal use, but there is still a long way to go,” Mr Jones added.

Mr Stock also pointed out that although the current rate of progress might technically be enough to meet the government’s “paltry” target of cutting emissions 26 to 28 per cent by 2030, the reality is more urgent.

“The science would say, and the Climate Council says, that we need to be cutting emissions by 75 per cent – so around three times the cut the government’s talking about – by 2030,” he told TND.

Labor’s proposed 2030 target is higher at 43 per cent.

“Both of the major parties are well north of the level of reductions that are required by 2030, based on the climate science,” he added.

The Ember analysts looked at domestic electricity generation, but Australia is also the world’s second-largest exporter of thermal coal.

“The impact we have globally isn’t just the coal we burn to make our own electricity – it’s the coal we export as well,” Mr Stock said.


Australia emits LESS than 1% of all manmade CO2.

Ever wondered why they only ever talk of per capita.

If they told Australians that we only produce less than 1% of all manmade CO2 would that have a different effect on them..??

So what is per capita....???

A bullshit economical statistic that tells you SFA.

An example

Australia's GDP is about 1.3 trillion per annum.

Australia GDP per capita is about $51,800 per person.

What can you take from this....???

Everyone has $51,800.................nah not really

So what does it tell you.................!

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Reply #24 - Jun 7th, 2022 at 10:25am
 
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Ever wondered why they only ever talk of per capita.


Do you think we could halve the problem with China's emissions by splitting the country in two?

BTW, I think you'll find that "they" normally talk in terms of changes to the global average temperature. Only morons engage in your elaborate game of blame shifting.
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Reply #25 - Jun 7th, 2022 at 12:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 10:25am:
BTW, I think you'll find that "they" normally talk in terms of changes to the global average temperature.



You mean that intensive property that can't be added, subtracted, divided or multiplied? Wink
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Reply #26 - Jun 7th, 2022 at 1:25pm
 
Belgarion wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 1:10pm:
What utter bullshit. Australias so called 'greenhouse gases' amount to around 1.2% of the world total.  This 'per'capita' bullshit is just the rabid greenies way of trying to excuse the real polluters.


Yes.  I agree with this.  The per capita emission numbers have no
validity—it's the total emissions measured on a country by country
basis.  If Australia's emissions were magically reduced to zero
tomorrow, it would make virtually no difference to the overall global
emissions figure.

It's the country's collective emissions that rate; not you or me, or the
bloke next door.

This pie chart tells the true story:  (crickets!)      Sad

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Reply #27 - Jun 8th, 2022 at 10:16am
 
lee wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 12:44pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 10:25am:
BTW, I think you'll find that "they" normally talk in terms of changes to the global average temperature.



You mean that intensive property that can't be added, subtracted, divided or multiplied? Wink


Let us know when you start doing physics.
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Reply #28 - Jun 8th, 2022 at 12:35pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 8th, 2022 at 10:16am:
Let us know when you start doing physics.



Already done.

"Hence, the temperature of bodies determines the direction of the possible spontaneous heat exchange between these bodies. Likewise, the temperature is an intensive property. So if one block of ice is at −10◦ C then adding another identical block does not make the temperature −20◦ C, but it does mean that melting the two blocks of ice can be predicted to use twice as much energy."

https://www.w3schools.blog/intensive-properties-of-thermodynamics

Then of course you would have to look at air pressure. An increase in air pressure raises temperature.

"Proportionality of Temperature and Pressure Atmospheric pressure and temperature are proportional, meaning that when the temperature increases, air pressure increases and when temperature decreases, air pressure decreases. The relationship between temperature and air pressure is referred to as Gay-Lussac’s Law. "

https://www.reference.com/science/temperature-affect-air-pressure-90b37da760fa9d...

So you would have to take air pressure into account. Wink

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