April 18, 2022

Wearing a mask may still give some people a sense of security, but they could breathe more easily if they’d face the facts.

The pandemic has eased, but not the compulsion of many Americans to cover their faces. Fully vaccinated adults are still wearing masks on their solitary walks outdoors, and officials have been enforcing mask mandates on airline passengers and on some city-dwellers and students. (Though today’s ruling by U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle in Tampa, declaring the Biden administration’s mask mandate for public transportation unlawful, comes as welcome news.) Maskaholics in the press are calling for permanent masking on trains, planes, and buses. High school students in Seattle staged a protest demanding that a mask mandate be reinstated, and psychologists now deal with the anxieties of children who don’t want their classmates to see their faces. They’re suffering from “mask dependency,” as this psychological affliction is termed in Japan, where a long tradition of mask-wearing during flu season has left some individuals afraid at any time to expose their faces in public.

The graph tracks the results of a natural experiment that occurred nationwide during the pandemic. Eleven states never mandated masks, while the other 39 states enforced mandates. The mandates typically began early in the pandemic in 2020 and remained until at least the summer of 2021, with some extending into 2022. The black line on the graph shows the weekly rate of Covid cases in all the states with mask mandates that week, while the orange line shows the rate in all the states without mandates.
As you can see from the lines’ similar trajectories, the mask mandates hardly controlled the virus.


If you add up all the numbers on those two lines, you find that the mask mandates made zero difference. The cumulative rate of infection over the course of the pandemic was about 24 percent in the mandate states as well as in the non-mandate states. Their cumulative rates of Covid mortality were virtually identical, too (in fact, there were slightly more deaths per capita in the states with mask mandates).

If this hasn’t persuaded you to take off your mask, you can find lots more reasons in a book by Ian Miller, the data analyst who created the graph for City Journal. Miller, who has tracked pandemic trends for the Brownstone Institute, has assembled the damning evidence in Unmasked: The Global Failure of COVID Mask Mandates. The book documents how mask mandates were implemented without scientific justification, how they failed around the world, and how public officials and journalists have kept making fools of themselves by pretending otherwise.

In their pre-Covid planning strategies for a pandemic, neither the Centers for Disease Control nor the World Health Organization had recommended masking the public—for good reason. Randomized clinical trials involving flu viruses had shown, contrary to popular wisdom in Japan and other Asian countries, that there was “no evidence that face masks are effective in reducing transmission,” as the WHO summarized the scientific literature. The pandemic planners at the United Kingdom’s Department of Health had reached a similar conclusion: “In line with the scientific evidence, the Government will not stockpile facemasks for general use in the community.” Anthony Fauci acknowledged this evidence early in the pandemic, both in his public comments (“There’s no reason to be walking around with masks,” he told 60 Minutes) and in his private emails (“I do not recommend you wear a mask,” he told a colleague, explaining that masks were too porous to block the small Covid virus).

But then Fauci, like the CDC and the WHO, bowed to political expediency and media hysteria. Mandating masks gave the illusion of doing something against the virus. When the initial spring wave in 2020 subsided, public officials and journalists claimed that the mandates had worked, and they kept up the pretense even when Covid surged again later that year despite the continuing mandates. The resurgence was blamed on people disobeying the mandates, never mind the surveys showing widespread compliance.

The CDC received some criticism for its junk science on masks, particularly for its false claims about the benefits of masking schoolchildren, but the press mostly promoted the agency’s narrative. Little attention was paid to more rigorous research, like a review of the literature that found little or no benefit from masks, or a study that compared infection rates with mask policies and with rates of mask use in all 50 states over the first year of the pandemic. The study concluded that “mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level Covid-19 spread during Covid-19 growth surges.” The media’s narrative about masks extended throughout the world.

More here- https://www.city-journal.org/the-failed-covid-policy-of-mask-mandates#.Yl7PE17Nv...

Wear your mask, you little pussy.

And while you're at it get a job and a jab.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20^th, 2022 at 8:31pm:


Groggy is a dangerous type of idiot. He's a long term unhinged mentally unwell multi troll who hasn't worked because he's too unwell in the head. He's online across at least 4 forums day and night using dozens of ids which chat to each other/join up to flame others.

He's been like that since Yahoo. Back in 2003. So yeah ... he's coming up to 20 YEARS of total waste of lifespan.

Mask mandates didn't do anything

The N95 respirator offers the most protection against viral particles for the wearer because it can filter very small aerosol particles.

But other masks, like the ones in the photo or homemade fabric masks, are effective in reducing the spread of the disease because they help stop asymptomatic individuals from unknowingly spreading the disease.

If you are going out to the shopping centres, take advantage of the hand sanitiser stations at the entrances to the building. It is just a matter of having a little bit of sanitiser on your hands and then making sure you are applying the sanitiser up to your elbows. Of course, if you are going to eat in a public place, go wash your hands before you touch your food.

The only thing that I objected to with the masks was when we had to wear them during the hottest part of the year. Last August, it was not so bad because of the cool weather. My cotton work mask sits idle in my bedroom. If we need to start using masks again, the mask I have will be washed and reused quite readily over the cooler months. But I will wear the mask only when required if the whingeing about needing masks continues after winter.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 20^th, 2022 at 9:01pm:


The pathetic troll changes the thread title.

Even FD called greg a habitual liar

Coronavirus (COVID-19) update - 30 July 2021



The eyes, mouth, and nose all contain mucosal surfaces that are potential routes of acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 due to the presence of the ACE2 receptor1. Ocular (eye) transmission is a potential route of occupational acquisition for healthcare and other frontline workers2. Eye protection has been associated with a lower risk of infection and provides a physical barrier to the deposition of virus containing particles3.

The rationale for eye protection is4:

• It protects the mucous membranes of the eyes from potential contamination with particles and body fluids that may contain the coronavirus (COVID-19)5, 6.

• It prevents people from touching their eyes and face to avoid infection acquisition6, 7.

• It is part of a full suite of PPE and may reduce the risk of being furloughed from work should you have close contact with a patient later diagnosed with coronavirus (COVID-19)8.

When is eye protection recommended?

In the context of the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, protective eyewear must be used (in addition to other required PPE) by healthcare workers who are providing direct care or working within the patient/client/resident zone with individuals with confirmed, or suspected COVID-19. This incorporates both low-risk and high-risk suspected cases and includes those (at-risk) with epidemiological risk factors who either do or do not have symptoms consistent with COVID-19.

What are the appropriate eye protection options?

Eye protection options include face shields, goggles and safety glasses.

Goggles and safety glasses:

Closely fitted wrap-around goggles or safety glasses that meet Australian Standards (AS/NZS 1337.1:2010) when worn correctly protect the wearer from direct, droplet and aerosol transmission. Usual prescription glasses contact lenses or safety glasses that are not wrap-around do not provide adequate protection and are therefore not recommended.

Face shields:

Single-use or reusable face shields are an alternative to goggles or safety glasses. A large study outlining the addition of face shields to PPE in India showed a dramatic reduction in infection acquisition by healthcare workers9. Face shields are particularly useful for splashes and sprays of blood or body fluids, depending on the type of work performed. Face shields should extend below the chin anteriorly, to the ears laterally, and there should be no exposed gap between the forehead and the shield’s headpiece. All face shields should provide a clear plastic barrier that covers the face. Face shields which have a gap between the forehead and the headpiece are unsuitable for use in the operating theatre, birthing suite, or when certain aerosol-generating procedures are performed on coronavirus (COVID-19) cases (unless additional eye protection is worn under the face shield).

https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https%3A%2F%2Fcontent.health.v...

Masks don't work with aerosols the aerosols escape around the edges and through mask when breathing in and out. A Dr demonstrates how useless they are here starting around 1 min.

Masks don't do anything Sad Skip and others who claim it spreads by droplets show their ignorance in the fact it's accepted droplets cannot be inhaled.

Hi Baron, in your post, there are a few fatal flaws.

1. You are assuming that as soon as viral particles being expelled from human respiratory tract, its final form remain the same.   But the reality is alot more complex.  Depending on the humidity, smaller droplets after expulsion, can split, its water content can evaporate quickly, and becoming air born.  However, if there is a mask barrier initially, it can be stopped.  Not all droplets are made of same size and shape, and falls in the same way.  We live in a world of chaos.

2.Some models of the transport and viability of airborne viruses have assumed that the carrier liquid can be modelled as water This is an oversimplification that ignores the complex composition of respiratory fluid. For example, a 60 µm droplet has a volume of approximately 0.1 nl and would contain approximately 1 virion if the virus concentration in the bulk liquid were 107 ml−1, if the bulk concentration also applied to the droplet. Assuming a simplified model of respiratory fluid composition, the droplet would contain approximately 1 ng of salt, approximately 1 ng of total protein and approximately 0.06 ng of surfactant. The mass of each component is at least five orders of magnitude larger than the mass of the virion. These components form the virion's microenvironment and should not be disregarded.

3. While the physical properties of respiratory droplets in ambient air have dominated discussion of airborne transmission, the chemical properties of the droplets have often been neglected. The chemical microenvironment immediately surrounding virions in droplets and aerosols is likely to be an important determinant of their stability.

4. After a droplet falls onto the ground or.a surface.  Depending on the immediate environment, the virions and its surrounding respiratory fluids can potentially take a long time to evaporate and break down as well.  The next person then come across droplet, would be able to transfer onto their hands, and into to their respiratory tract.   And thereby spreading the infection.   Remember, COVID 19 can be transmitted by BOTH aerosol AND droplet. 

19 July 2020

Britain’s muzzle consumption is now so high that six months from now there will be reports of dolphins and whales floundering about in an ocean made sticky by millions of gallons of hand-sanitiser, as they choke on congealed clumps of used muzzles.

On July 12, Deborah Cohen, the medical correspondent of BBC2’s Newsnight, revealed an astonishing thing. The World Health Organisation (WHO) had reversed its advice on face masks, from ‘don’t wear them’ to ‘do wear them’.

But the key fact was that it had not done so because of scientific information – the evidence had not backed the wearing of face coverings – but because of political lobbying.

She revealed on Twitter that: ‘We had been told by various sources [that the] WHO committee reviewing the evidence

had not backed masks but they recommended them due to political lobbying.

’ She said the BBC had then put this to the WHO, which did not deny it.

In March, the WHO had said: ‘There is currently no evidence that wearing a mask (whether medical or other types) by healthy persons in the wider community setting, including universal community masking, can protect them from infection with respiratory viruses, including Covid-19.’

The American TV news channel CNN reported on March 31 that Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO health emergencies programme, had said at a briefing in Geneva: ‘There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit.

‘In fact, there’s some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly.’

Earlier that same month, England’s chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, had said that wearing face masks would do little to combat the outbreak.

At about the same time, Dr Jenny Harries, a Deputy Chief Medical Officer, warned that people could be putting themselves more at risk from contracting Covid by wearing muzzles. She said masks could ‘actually trap the virus’, and cause the person wearing it to breathe it in

On April 3, the other Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Professor Jonathan Van-Tam, said he did not believe healthy people wearing them would reduce the spread of the disease in the UK

The truth is that the muzzle policy is all about power and fear.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8537489/PETER-HITCHENS-Face-masks-tur...

Droplet transmission is one of the ways that COVID is transmitted.   It is multimodal.  And therefore, to prevent increasing viral load in the community, you need minimise droplets.   It is well accepted, that those regions with mask mandates and social distancing, did better than those regions who did not. 

When we sneeze or cough, the respiratory droplets comes in many sizes and shapes.  The larger ones, can potentially split, in mid air, or become aerosol after interaction with external environment.    And if you are able to stop it before it becomes smaller aerosol, then you are reducing viral load, and thereby chance of transmission.  This is physics, and this is science. 

All of your sources, were originally from sources stating that in view of aerosol spread of the virus, we need to come up with further measures to reduce viral load in endemic areas IN ADDITION to masks and social distancing.  Your pseudo scientist then twisted it to think that all of sudden mask is not important when the virus spreads via droplets as well.   

This sort of tactics can only confuse the general public who are otherwise not medically trained. 

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2022 at 11:36pm:


Droplets cannot be inhaled therefore masks do nothing with droplets, what part of that do you fail to comprehend?

I don't think you understand the difference between droplets and Aerosols it's clear from your posts.

Did you read the link i posted from WHO in 2019 they said masks don't do anything with every study in that link or do you ignore any scientific information that contradicts Lisa Wilkinson?

It was Japanese virologist who was the first to recognise aerosol transmission with the Diamond Princess cruise ship it took the CDC and WHO a lot longer to accept this.

Since it's accepted Aerosols are major cause of transmission then the social distancing of 1.5 m is also garbage as droplets fall to ground within 1m and Aerosols travel >10m.

No difference in case rates between states with mask mandates compared to no mask mandates. If masks worked in preventing Covid there would be a difference.

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2022 at 9:30pm:


Droplets cannot be inhaled this is an accepted fact they fall to the ground within 1m.

How is a mask going to protect you from fomites when they're not inhaled?

The aerosols will escape from around mask and eventually settle on surfaces in elevator so another example of masks being useless

There are studies that show greater than 80% of infections are from aerosol transmission. Those indoor super spreader events are close to 100% aerosol transmission.

It was media whipping up hysteria which resulted in governments imposing these mask mandates to make it look like they were doing something and the gullible fools like you Buzz Sad Skip and others are too stupid to question any of it.

Look closely and compare droplet which they assumed was primary cause of transmission to aerosol which evidence shows is primary cause of transmission.

No, the Japanese scientist meant that mask alone is not enough to prevent spread of COVID because of aerosol spread.  There are still droplet spread. 

After expulsion, the droplets can fall onto surfaces like tables, chairs, keyboards, each other people shirt.    And because they are so small, other unsuspecting people would touch it, and then bring it close to their respiratory tract.  And as small water content of the droplet evaporate, and we breath in, the viral particle spreads.   

Wearing a mask, means that you minimize the amount of droplets spread on to surfaces, so that others can touch.  And also when contaminated, you are less likely to touch places near your respiratory tract - namely mouth and nose.   

My friends, the important take away message is this...

Droplet spread matters!  Mask Matters!  Believe in science. 

04 May 2021
For close to a year, experts have been challenging governments and health authorities to acknowledge the role of aerosol spread in the transmission of COVID-19.

Now, 13 months since the World Health Organization (WHO) declared a pandemic, and the agency has formally recognised that the virus is airborne.

Kate Cole, President-elect of the Australia Institute of Occupational Hygienists, has been a vocal advocate for the formal recognition of aerosol spread. She called the WHO’s acknowledgement is ‘a welcome step’ in the right direction.
‘They’re saying now what we as scientists have been saying for the majority of this pandemic,’ she told newsGP.
More- https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/a-welcome-step-who-acknowledges-aeroso...

06 April 2022

Early in the pandemic, the World Health Organization stated that SARS-CoV-2 was not transmitted through the air. That mistake and the prolonged process of correcting it sowed confusion and raises questions about what will happen in the next pandemic.

The seemingly uncontroversial statement marked a clear shift for the Switzerland-based WHO, which had tweeted categorically early in the pandemic, “FACT: #COVID19 is NOT airborne,” casting the negative in capital letters as if to remove any doubt. At that time, the agency maintained that the virus spreads mainly through droplets produced when a person coughs, sneezes or speaks, an assumption based on decades-old infection-control teachings about how respiratory viruses generally pass from one person to another.

The change brings the WHO’s messaging in line with what a chorus of aerosol and public-health experts have been trying to get it to say since the earliest days of the outbreak. Many decry the agency’s slowness in stating — unambiguously — that SARS-CoV-2 is airborne. Interviews conducted by Nature with dozens of specialists on disease transmission suggest that the WHO’s reluctance to accept and communicate evidence for airborne transmission was based on a series of problematic assumptions.

More- https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00925-7

MARCH 23, 2022


By Dr. Alondra Nelson, head of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy and Deputy Assistant to the President

The most common way COVID-19 is transmitted from one person to another is through tiny airborne particles of the virus hanging in indoor air for minutes or hours after an infected person has been there.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/03/23/lets-clear-the-air-on-co...

June 15, 2021

Scientists who initially warned about contaminated surfaces now say that the virus spreads primarily through inhaled droplets, and that there is little to no evidence that deep cleaning mitigates the threat indoors.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/world/asia/covid-cleaning.html

Non-pharmaceutical
public health measures
for mitigating the risk and
impact of epidemic and
pandemic influenza

World Health Organization 2019

1.3. Face masks   Page 21
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/329439/WHO-WHE-IHM-GIP-2019.1-e...

19 July 2020

On July 12, Deborah Cohen, the medical correspondent of BBC2’s Newsnight, revealed an astonishing thing. The World Health Organisation (WHO) had reversed its advice on face masks, from ‘don’t wear them’ to ‘do wear them’.



She revealed on Twitter that: ‘We had been told by various sources [that the] WHO committee reviewing the evidence had not backed masks but they recommended them due to political lobbying.’ She said the BBC had then put this to the WHO, which did not deny it.




Earlier that same month, England’s chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, had said that wearing face masks would do little to combat the outbreak.

Dr Jenny Harries, a Deputy Chief Medical Officer, warned that people could be putting themselves more at risk from contracting Covid by wearing muzzles. She said masks could ‘actually trap the virus’, and cause the person wearing it to breathe it in. She explained: ‘For the average member of the public walking down a street, it is not a good idea.’

On April 3, the other Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Professor Jonathan Van-Tam, said he did not believe healthy people wearing them would reduce the spread of the disease in the UK.

The British Government has also zig-zagged. As recently as June 24, in a series of official pamphlets for reopening shops and services, the Department for Business and Enterprise said repeatedly: ‘The evidence of the benefit of using a face covering to protect others is weak and the effect is likely to be small.’

The truth is that the muzzle policy is all about power and fear.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8537489/PETER-HITCHENS-Face-masks-tur...

Masks don't protect you from surface contamination only dopey dim wits like you would believe that.

We also have the issue of contracting covid through your eyes which shows mask mandates did stuff all apart from giving the impression politicians were doing something.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 20^th, 2022 at 8:28pm:






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MARGARET BRENNAN: Now, obviously, a huge point for parents of young children like me, I've been looking at pediatric hospitalizations at this record high and concerned about sending my son back into a preschool even with a mask on. What do you tell parents? Are cloth masks just not good enough anymore?

DR. GOTTLIEB: It could protect better through droplet transmission, something like the flu, but not something like this coronavirus.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/full-transcript-dr-scott-gottlieb-face-the-nation-j...

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2022 at 10:36pm:



no, dimwits think that masks don't do anything to help. No matter how much evidence is presented that regions that used masks had lower death rates. Actually, calling them dimwits is an insult to dimwits.'



Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2022 at 10:36pm:


you are using the argument that masks aren't a panacea to excuse your argument that masks don't help. Again, no one has ever said masks STOP the spread, they merely help REDUCE the spread.

Stephen Petty testified before the Senate Committee on Health and Human Services in defense of NH HB1131, which would “prohibit school boards and accredited nonpublic schools from adopting, enforcing, or implementing a policy that requires students or members of the public to wear a facial covering.”

Mr. Petty is a Certified Industrial Hygienist, certified safety professional, and certified engineer, and it’s a great testimony and not just because he talks about a lot of things we’ve covered over the past years about masks and masking.He actually states for the record that his presentation would refute everything some doctor testifying before him had said.

And he was clear about why. Medical doctors are what they are, but they are not certified industrial hygienists. They are not experts in the field of workplace or public safety when it comes to real threats and solutions. They are not even experts in these fields regarding a hospital or clinical settings.

And we’ve seen that play out in real-time. Public health officials have repeatedly given or mandated lousy advice on nearly every aspect of COVID policy to ignore actual accumulating evidence in favor of the approved CDC or state public health narratives.

In all instances, public health was not served by any of this, and in the case of masks, which is the focus of the hearing. The only thing that has any hope of reducing exposure to a virus is an actual respirator,

https://granitegrok.com/blog/2022/04/hb1131-certified-industrial-hygienist-steph...

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 25^th, 2022 at 12:11pm:


The masks help prevent the spread of the virus, not contracting the virus.

I thought you knew that Baron.

Did you forget?

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UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 25^th, 2022 at 5:34pm:


They don't help prevent the spread of this virus they're useless. The media and politicians have lied to us for over 2 years.

It was incorrectly assumed the virus was transmitted by droplets. These droplets are about 550 times heavier than air so fall to the ground within 1m with gravity and cannot be inhaled.
Social distancing 1.5m and washing your hands is all you need to contain anything transmitted by droplets

Masks don't protect you from aerosol respiratory virus go and read the link i have posted by The World Health Organisation published in Sept 2019 take note of words like no significant or no statistical difference with masks vs no masks.

A small primary school in Brisbane's west has done what many others have been unable to achieve during COVID-19's Omicron wave in Queensland: remain outbreak-free.

And it's all a result of a group of dads at the Brisbane Independent School in Pullenvale getting together with the principal and using science and engineering knowledge to prevent SARS-CoV-2 — the virus that causes COVID-19 — spreading through classrooms.

George Roff, a Brisbane scientist who specialises in marine ecology, said the working group — including an engineer and a medical specialist — started discussing ways of stemming the spread of COVID-19 through the 71-student school in December, after Queensland's interstate borders reopened.

Using a smoke machine, they studied airflow patterns in the school's five classrooms and administration areas.

Carbon dioxide meters were also used to identify low-ventilation areas or "dead spots".

They then purchased air purifiers — known as high-efficiency particulate absorbing (HEPA) filters — to mitigate the risk from SARS-CoV-2 particles that might be circulating in classrooms and other indoor areas of the school.

A group of parents spent the weekend with a smoke machine setting up classrooms - adjusting airflow with fans and positioning the units in each classroom. The outcome? It WORKS. A *massive* increase in air-flow with

aerosols

extracted through open doors and windows

Although one teacher and up to two students in most, but not all classes, have had COVID-19 during Queensland's rampant Omicron wave, no in-school transmission has been identified.

"Our goal in creating clean-air classrooms at the school was to minimise this risk of transmission within the community," Dr Roff said.

Medical specialist Jay Mueller, who was part of the working group, said he was concerned about the lack of guidance about how to make schools safe from COVID-19 transmission.

"There is no scenario in which it becomes less transmissible.

"The only scenario is that we provide environments where the virus can't transmit and that's using basic principles of public health and physics to make that not possible.

Brisbane Independent School principal Lachlyn Bowie said she was grateful for the expertise of the working group in approaching the issue of COVID-19 mitigation scientifically.

"At the end of the day, this is about health and safety," Mrs Bowie said.

"We're trying to protect our students and staff.

"Considering the number of cases that are happening in other schools, where there's a lot of cases in every single classroom, that's certainly not our experience."

QUT air-quality expert Lidia Morawska said she was impressed by the working group's innovation and methodology.

"It's prevented their children from being infected and demonstrated to the whole of Queensland, and beyond, how important it is," Professor Morawska said.

"Air quality, and what's in the air, is important not only because of infection transmission but because we need clean air in classrooms so our kids' breathe clean air."

Queensland Health data shows that, in the seven days from March 23 to 29, as many as 19,615 school-aged children tested positive for COVID-19.

Independent Education Union Queensland and Northern Territory branch secretary Terry Burke said schools had been under significant pressure this term due to COVID-related staff shortages and student absences.

"There are some schools where a third of the staff have had to be away, as have been a third of students," Mr Burke said.
"Unsurprisingly, a number of schools have brought back masks as a requirement to try to contain the outbreaks."


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-01/brisbane-school-no-covid-omicron-outbreak...

Dnarever wrote on Apr 20^th, 2022 at 10:08pm:


Very much so.

Australia - deaths per 1M of popn = 263
Sweden - deaths per 1M of popn = 1819

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Frank wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 12:59pm:










Well, I can see you have never picked up a copy of it ]

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