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Reply #30 - Jun 25th, 2021 at 6:18pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 5:23pm:
If her house burns down now due to an electrical fault, and the insurance company finds out Valkie was the last one to do electrical work, it would invalidate any insurance claims unless he has an electrical license.


If the Ins Coy finds out unregistered electrical work has been done, the contract is null and void.

And, they look for that. They will find it .
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Reply #31 - Jun 25th, 2021 at 6:37pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 6:18pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 5:23pm:
If her house burns down now due to an electrical fault, and the insurance company finds out Valkie was the last one to do electrical work, it would invalidate any insurance claims unless he has an electrical license.


If the Ins Coy finds out unregistered electrical work has been done, the contract is null and void.

And, they look for that. They will find it .



they look for any excuse to not pay
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Reply #32 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 9:31am
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 6:37pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 6:18pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 5:23pm:
If her house burns down now due to an electrical fault, and the insurance company finds out Valkie was the last one to do electrical work, it would invalidate any insurance claims unless he has an electrical license.


If the Ins Coy finds out unregistered electrical work has been done, the contract is null and void.

And, they look for that. They will find it .



they look for any excuse to not pay


Yes, its always better to leave it until an electrician can eventually turn up.
Even if the house burns down in the meantime.

Changing out a powerpoint is hardly a job requiring electrical engineering qualifications.
But in your case, even changing a light globe would be be taxing you capabilities to the limit.

By the way, A simple poem for a simple person like you.
It may save you one day

Lefty loosy..righty tighty

Use it when ever you undo a screw, bolt can or bottle

I Know it will amaze you, but that's why you sometimes cannot open bottle of coke.

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Reply #33 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 9:50am
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 9:05am:
The ball peen hammer is oft incorrectly called a ball pain hammer.

This is because 90% of people have no idea what peening is.


Might also be because at least 90% of people have hit their thumbs or fingers instead of the nail, etc. on one or more occasions. Of course, if you accidentally hit yourself in the nuts with it then calling it a "ball pain hammer" is 100% correct. Shocked

I know someone who used to call it a ball pea hammer.

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Reply #34 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:20am
 
I'm pretty sure it is the same for everywhere in Australia but here in WA you are not allowed to do any mains electrical work such as changing power points unless you are a licenced electrician.

A tenpin bowling centre I worked in as a tech many years ago used to get us to do things like changing power points and light fittings, etc. because they didn't want to pay for an electrician. We even did electrical work on the pinsetters' electrical boxes which had a 3 phase 415 volt input (which just ran the 3 phase motor, a transformer was then used for the 240, 115 and 24 volt 'secondaries' for other machine functions).

This all stopped when we pointed out to the management that, as John and Sprint have said, if there was an electrical fire and the building was badly damaged or destroyed their insurance would be null and void if the insurance company found that unlicenced electrical work had been done regardless of whether or not that work was responsible for the fire.

The other concern was (as the head tech and I talked about often) if there was a fire and the insurance company found unlicenced electrical work we were sure the management would have "ducked for cover" and denied any knowledge about asking us to do any electrical work and they would have blamed us (not that it would have "unvoided" their insurance policy).

We were sure the same thing would have happened if we'd been electrocuted doing unlicenced work (we all had a few 'zaps' over the years).

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Reply #35 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:30am
 
The attached picture is the electrical box of lane 3 shortly after I started working in the abovementioned tenpin bowling centre in July 1988. All 24 were pretty much the same.

The centre opened in November 1962 and you can see the results of over 25 years of 'dodgy' wiring repairs at the time (love the safety pin on the motor contactor). Grin

The 3 phase input is on the left side of the box, transformer on the right.

All 24 boxes were cleaned up and rewired by a local electrician a few months after that picture was taken mainly because the old guy who did all the electrical work was retiring and no-one else could make head or tail of the wiring (every box was different in some way).
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Reply #36 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 11:34am
 
Carl D wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:30am:
The attached picture is the electrical box of lane 3 shortly after I started working in the abovementioned tenpin bowling centre in July 1988. All 24 were pretty much the same.

The centre opened in November 1962 and you can see the results of over 25 years of 'dodgy' wiring repairs at the time (love the safety pin on the motor contactor). Grin

The 3 phase input is on the left side of the box, transformer on the right.

All 24 boxes were cleaned up and rewired by a local electrician a few months after that picture was taken mainly because the old guy who did all the electrical work was retiring and no-one else could make head or tail of the wiring (every box was different in some way).



Looks nasty, but if you have opened any heavy machine electrical boxes, they mostly look pretty much like that when you get into them.
Especially the older ones.

Wiring for Lathes, Milling machines, shapers, mills, basically any heavy machinery is difficult.
There isnt a nice clean place to run wires and they tend to be placed wherever they can fit.
Older machines, Like the ones I worked on, had some seriously old style relays and even has wrapped wiring (those who know what I mean will understand).
They also suffer badly from heat, fluid ingress and sometimes overheating due to hard use.

One particular Russian made rolling mill was so bad we had to rewire it from front to back.
They only used two colours and sometimes it was very hard to work out what went where.
Took us a week, but afterward the operator said it had never worked as well.

People today are used to seeing nice pretty organised Computer style wiring (well neater than old control boxes).
Messy control boxes tend to frighten them a bit.
When operating, old mechanical relays spark and flash sometimes, that gets some of the less experienced ones jumping.

I've been working on this shite for over 40 years.
I have seen some of the most dangerous things you can imagine.
One 500 mm segmented wheel horizontal grinder start switch had been smashed.
I found them using bare wires to start up the grinder by intermittently touching the wires to each other until it got up to speed.
Linking them straight up would blow the fuse.
Then they simply hooked the wires around each other to keep it running.
It was three phase 415 for goodness sake.

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Reply #37 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 1:49pm
 
Here's another couple from my 1988 collection:

https://i.imgur.com/Kd95YMz.jpg

The top picture was lane 9, note the second transformer which someone managed to squeeze (sideways) into the middle of the box, this was for the bowlers' trouble system where they pushed a button on the ball return up front when there was a lane problem and a loud bell would ring at the back and a small light came on above the machine concerned to alert the tech.

From memory, there were 3 extra transformers for the trouble system, one in lane 1's box (for lanes 1-8), another in lane 9's box (for 9-16) and the last in lane 17's box (for 17-24).

When the electrician rewired all the boxes he removed the extra transformers from those 3 boxes and set everything up for the trouble system so the power for each machine's trouble call button/light came from their own transformer (as it should have been done in 1962).

The bottom picture was lane 7's box after it was rewired. It wasn't the same as the original Brunswick Model A Pinsetter wiring diagram but it was easy to check and fix things especially since the electrician provided us with a new wiring diagram and he wired all 24 boxes exactly the same.

The 3 'ice cube' plug in relays he used (in the centre of the rewired box) were also a welcome change, no more sodding around with a soldering iron and screwdriver, etc. when a relay needed changing.

Oh, these boxes did have covers on them when they weren't being worked on (or photographed). Smiley
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Reply #38 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:29pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 9:31am:
Yes, its always better to leave it until an electrician can eventually turn up.
Even if the house burns down in the meantime.


Most electricians offer a 24 hr emergency service ya moron

Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 9:31am:
Changing out a powerpoint is hardly a job requiring electrical engineering qualifications.



Are you under some sort of impression that I write the rules?


I suspect, based on the stupidity you continually display on here, that the only engineering qualifications you have are how to engineer more bullshit stories.
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Reply #39 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 5:15pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:29pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 9:31am:
Yes, its always better to leave it until an electrician can eventually turn up.
Even if the house burns down in the meantime.


Most electricians offer a 24 hr emergency service ya moron

Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 9:31am:
Changing out a powerpoint is hardly a job requiring electrical engineering qualifications.



Are you under some sort of impression that I write the rules?


I suspect, based on the stupidity you continually display on here, that the only engineering qualifications you have are how to engineer more bullshit stories.


You got a hard-on for me moron.

You seem to be chasing my posts just to insult me.

News buddy, your insults are pathetic and weak, surely you can do better.
Quite Simply, I'm better than you in too many ways to count, so your insults are nothing but laughable.

As for qualifications, I have plenty, more than you burger flipping certificate from Maccas.
You can chose to believe it or not, it matters not to me in the slightest.

One day you might man up and actually get a job, get off the dole and work for a living.
But I highly doubt that, its not in your mentality to actually contribute.

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Reply #40 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 6:45pm
 

Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 5:15pm:
You got a hard-on for me moron.



I call out bullshit when I see it ... if you get called out more than most it's because you bullshit more than most.

Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 5:15pm:
Quite Simply, I'm better than you in too many ways to count, so your insults are nothing but laughable.



you're not even better than my toenail, let alone the rest of me.
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Reply #41 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:54pm
 
That's ok, whatever you say that makes you feel better about yourself.

But deep down, you know just how worthless you are.

You proclivity to find fault with everyone, to put down everyone, to insult everyone.
Speaks volumes about your self worth.

You feel that you have to drag everyone down to your level.
Just to make yourself feel even a little adequate.

Have a nice mediocre life.

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Reply #42 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:04pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 6:18pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 5:23pm:
If her house burns down now due to an electrical fault, and the insurance company finds out Valkie was the last one to do electrical work, it would invalidate any insurance claims unless he has an electrical license.


If the Ins Coy finds out unregistered electrical work has been done, the contract is null and void.

And, they look for that. They will find it .
Can you show this? Relevant legislation etc.
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Reply #43 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:11pm
 
[q John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 5:23pm:
If her house burns down now due to an electrical fault, and the insurance company finds out Valkie was the last one to do electrical work, it would invalidate any insurance claims unless he has an electrical license.

Im calling bullsh1t on this claim. Name one person this has happened to.
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Reply #44 - Jun 28th, 2021 at 5:09pm
 
rhino wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:11pm:
[q John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 5:23pm:
If her house burns down now due to an electrical fault, and the insurance company finds out Valkie was the last one to do electrical work, it would invalidate any insurance claims unless he has an electrical license.

Im calling bullsh1t on this claim. Name one person this has happened to.



why? you think if I name them you'll know them?

here, this is from Youi (an insurer)

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If the dangers listed above are not enough to convince you, then you should also be aware that doing your own electrical work will most definitely have an affect on your house insurance cover.

If the illegal electrical job is done incorrectly and a fire results, you will not be covered for the loss of your house --
so a job that would probably have cost you around a hundred dollars for an hour of an electrician’s time will end up costing you your biggest investment: your home.

Another thing to be aware of is that a home and contents insurance company will not recognise work done by an unlicensed electrician, so when you have the job done by a professional, it pays to make sure they have a current licence, or any work they do will also void your insurance policy.



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