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Reply #30 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:20pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:15pm:
Just thought I'd throw this in:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset

Bonus Question:-  How many Jews are in government in any Arab state???


Al Sissi of Egypt is reputed to be a surreptitious Jew.

It wouldn't matter if there were ten thousand Arabs in Israel's parliament. The Jews would not allow them to have any power that could not be overwhelmed by the majority Jews acting in unison.
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Reply #31 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:29pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:20pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:15pm:
Just thought I'd throw this in:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset

Bonus Question:-  How many Jews are in government in any Arab state???


Who cares?

Are Arabs second class citizens of the State of Israel....you know...that beacon of democracy Effendi describes?


Members of the Knesset have the same rights as all other members.... ergo, you would expect that to flow down to all other, neh?

Only Those Arabs Who Come In Every Day Are Subject To Border Checks etc... those who bombard the place cannot expect any treatment other than being detained etc ... those who live there permanently are by no means oppressed but have all rights and the same obligations to stand by the laws of the land.

Rule #1 - NO Jihad!
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Reply #32 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:31pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:20pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:40pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:16pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:14pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:09pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 5:26pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 4:39pm:
The Jews have lived there for at least 3000 years, probably longer, whereas the Arabs are recent blow ins. 


And therefor?



Yeah, same therefore to the Aborigines.



I wonder if Balgarion agrees?

More to the point - do you??


Well.....if Jews have a right to the State of Israel because they have been there 3000 years, then the corollary is....we better hand Australia back to the Aborigines who have been here over 60,000 years, yes?



Impossible - not only were they genocided (don' cha know?), but they are a minority - whereas Israelis of both Jewish and Arabic persuasion are the majority...

Hooooow do ya know?  How do ya KNOW?    How do you know the Aborignes lived here for 60,000 years?  Some old bones?  What if it was only ten of them wandering in from Java or something?



Yeahs....what if.

Maybe you should ask Igor.

I'll go with the accepted science.
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Reply #33 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:31pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:20pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:15pm:
Just thought I'd throw this in:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset

Bonus Question:-  How many Jews are in government in any Arab state???


Who cares?

Are Arabs second class citizens of the State of Israel....you know...that beacon of democracy Effendi describes?



Who cares??

You hold Jews to standards you are not prepared to apply to Muslims.


I doubt you even comprehend that point.
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Reply #34 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:34pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:29pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:20pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:15pm:
Just thought I'd throw this in:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset

Bonus Question:-  How many Jews are in government in any Arab state???


Who cares?

Are Arabs second class citizens of the State of Israel....you know...that beacon of democracy Effendi describes?


Members of the Knesset have the same rights as all other members.... ergo, you would expect that to flow down to all other, neh?

Only Those Arabs Who Come In Every Day Are Subject To Border Checks etc... those who bombard the place cannot expect any treatment other than being detained etc ... those who live there permanently are by no means oppressed but have all rights and the same obligations to stand by the laws of the land.

Rule #1 - NO Jihad!


The question you were asked was.................

Are Arabs second class citizens of the State of Israel....you know...that beacon of democracy Effendi describes?
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Reply #35 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:35pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:13pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:01pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:53pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:50pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:45pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:40pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:16pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:14pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:09pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 5:26pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 4:39pm:
The Jews have lived there for at least 3000 years, probably longer, whereas the Arabs are recent blow ins. 


And therefor?



Yeah, same therefore to the Aborigines.



I wonder if Balgarion agrees?

More to the point - do you??


Well.....if Jews have a right to the State of Israel because they have been there 3000 years, then the corollary is....we better hand Australia back to the Aborigines who have been here over 60,000 years, yes?

If they had a strong enough military, then it's theirs.


In 1948 when the Brits influenced the creation of the State of Israel, it had zero military, or no better than Arabs had vis a vie Jews.  It bristles now because of massive ongoing Western support which I cannot logically explain.

Well, there was all that reparations money paid by West Germany / Germany... And then there was the extreme interest and patronage extended by the US to Israel after the Israelis who had so conclusively and incredibly won the 1967 war in just six days... Ashkenasi Jews, bloody overachievers!!


Link?


Because without a link Arssie couldn't possibly know ANYTHING about German reparations.  Or anything.

I'm stunned that a lawyer would need be provided a link to one of history's greatest reparation stories of the 20th century, if not of all time.
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Reply #36 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:36pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:31pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:20pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:15pm:
Just thought I'd throw this in:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset

Bonus Question:-  How many Jews are in government in any Arab state???


Who cares?

Are Arabs second class citizens of the State of Israel....you know...that beacon of democracy Effendi describes?



Who cares??

You hold Jews to standards you are not prepared to apply to Muslims.


I doubt you even comprehend that point.


I hold the Government of the State of Israel to live up to the declaration, oft asserted here by Effendi...that the State of Israel is a beacon of democracy.
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Reply #37 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:37pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:35pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:13pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:01pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:53pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:50pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:45pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:40pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:16pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:14pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:09pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 5:26pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 4:39pm:
The Jews have lived there for at least 3000 years, probably longer, whereas the Arabs are recent blow ins. 


And therefor?



Yeah, same therefore to the Aborigines.



I wonder if Balgarion agrees?

More to the point - do you??


Well.....if Jews have a right to the State of Israel because they have been there 3000 years, then the corollary is....we better hand Australia back to the Aborigines who have been here over 60,000 years, yes?

If they had a strong enough military, then it's theirs.


In 1948 when the Brits influenced the creation of the State of Israel, it had zero military, or no better than Arabs had vis a vie Jews.  It bristles now because of massive ongoing Western support which I cannot logically explain.

Well, there was all that reparations money paid by West Germany / Germany... And then there was the extreme interest and patronage extended by the US to Israel after the Israelis who had so conclusively and incredibly won the 1967 war in just six days... Ashkenasi Jews, bloody overachievers!!


Link?


Because without a link Arssie couldn't possibly know ANYTHING about German reparations.  Or anything.

I'm stunned that a lawyer would need be provided a link to one of history's greatest reparation stories of the 20th century, if not of all time.


Link?
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Reply #38 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:45pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:37pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:35pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:13pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:01pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:53pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:50pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:45pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:40pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:16pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:14pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:09pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 5:26pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 4:39pm:
The Jews have lived there for at least 3000 years, probably longer, whereas the Arabs are recent blow ins. 


And therefor?



Yeah, same therefore to the Aborigines.



I wonder if Balgarion agrees?

More to the point - do you??


Well.....if Jews have a right to the State of Israel because they have been there 3000 years, then the corollary is....we better hand Australia back to the Aborigines who have been here over 60,000 years, yes?

If they had a strong enough military, then it's theirs.


In 1948 when the Brits influenced the creation of the State of Israel, it had zero military, or no better than Arabs had vis a vie Jews.  It bristles now because of massive ongoing Western support which I cannot logically explain.

Well, there was all that reparations money paid by West Germany / Germany... And then there was the extreme interest and patronage extended by the US to Israel after the Israelis who had so conclusively and incredibly won the 1967 war in just six days... Ashkenasi Jews, bloody overachievers!!


Link?


Because without a link Arssie couldn't possibly know ANYTHING about German reparations.  Or anything.

I'm stunned that a lawyer would need be provided a link to one of history's greatest reparation stories of the 20th century, if not of all time.


Link?



Thank you , Brian.

You forgot to yawn. Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Reply #39 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:51pm
 
So.......you have nothing, as usual.
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Reply #40 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 8:14pm
 
Israelis, or more correctly Jews supported by Uncle Sam, are seeking to expel the Palestinians from all their land by oppression to make their lives unbearable.

https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-...

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Israeli policy has sought to engineer and maximize the number of Jews, as well as the land available to them, in Israel and the portions of the OPT coveted by the Israeli government for Jewish settlement. At the same time, by restricting the residency rights of Palestinians, Israeli policy seeks to minimize the number of Palestinians and the land available to them in those areas. The level of repression is most severe in the OPT, although often less severe aspects of similar policies can be found within Israel.

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In the West Bank, authorities have confiscated more than 2 million dunams of land from Palestinians, making up more than one-third of the West Bank, including tens of thousands of dunams that they acknowledge are privately owned by Palestinians. One common tactic they have used is to declare territory, including privately-owned Palestinian land, as “state land.” The Israeli group Peace Now estimates that the Israeli government has designated about 1.4 million dunams of land, or about a quarter of the West Bank, as state land. The group has also found that more than 30 percent of the land used for settlements is acknowledged by the Israeli government as having been privately owned by Palestinians. Of the more than 675,000 dunams of state land that Israeli authorities have allocated for use by third parties in the West Bank, they have earmarked more than 99 percent for use by Israeli civilians, according to government data. Land grabs for settlements and the infrastructure that primarily serves settlers effectively concentrate Palestinians in the West Bank, according to B’Tselem, into “165 non-contiguous ‘territorial islands.’”

Israeli authorities have also made it virtually impossible in practice for Palestinians in Area C, the roughly 60 percent of the West Bank that the Oslo Accords placed under full Israeli control, as well as those in East Jerusalem, to obtain building permits. In Area C, for example, authorities approved less than 1.5 percent of applications by Palestinians to build between 2016 and 2018—21 in total—a figure 100 times smaller than the number of demolition orders it issued in the same period, according to official data. Israeli authorities have razed thousands of Palestinian properties in these areas for lacking a permit, leaving thousands of families displaced. By contrast, according to Peace Now, Israeli authorities began construction on more than 23,696 housing units between 2009 and 2020 in Israeli settlements in Area C. Transfer of an occupying power’s civilian population to an occupied territory violates the Fourth Geneva Convention.

These policies grow out of longstanding Israeli government plans. For example, the 1980 Drobles Plan, which guided the government’s settlement policy in the West Bank at the time and built on prior plans, called for authorities to “settle the land between the [Arab] minority population centers and their surroundings,” noting that doing so would make it “hard for Palestinians to create territorial contiguity and political unity” and “remove any trace of doubt about our intention to control Judea and Samaria forever.”

In Jerusalem, the government’s plan for the municipality, including both the west and occupied east of the city, sets the goal of “maintaining a solid Jewish majority in the city” and a target demographic “ratio of 70% Jews and 30% Arabs”—later adjusted to a 60:40 ratio after authorities acknowledged that “this goal is not attainable” in light of “the demographic trend.”

The Israeli government has also carried out discriminatory seizures of land inside Israel. Authorities have seized through different mechanisms at least 4.5 million dunams of land from Palestinians, according to historians, constituting 65 to 75 percent of all land owned by Palestinians before 1948 and 40 to 60 percent of the land that belonged to Palestinians who remained after 1948 and became citizens of Israel. Authorities in the early years of the state declared land belonging to displaced Palestinians as “absentee property” or “closed military zones,” then took it over, converted it to state land, and built Jewish communities there. Authorities continue to block Palestinian citizen landowners from accessing land that was confiscated from them. A 2003 government-commissioned report found that “the expropriation activities were clearly and explicitly harnessed to the interests of the Jewish majority” and that state lands, which constitute 93 percent of all land in Israel, effectively serve the objective of “Jewish settlement.” Since 1948, the government has authorized the creation of more than 900 “Jewish localities” in Israel, but it has allowed only a handful of government-planned townships and villages for Palestinians, created largely to concentrate previously displaced Bedouin communities living in the Negev.

Land confiscations and other discriminatory land policies in Israel hem in Palestinian municipalities inside Israel, denying them opportunities for natural expansion enjoyed by Jewish municipalities. ...
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Reply #41 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 8:42pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:51pm:
So.......you have nothing, as usual.

Link?
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Reply #42 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 8:48pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 8:14pm:
Israelis, or more correctly Jews supported by Uncle Sam, are seeking to expel the Palestinians from all their land by oppression to make their lives unbearable.


They can always migrate to Muslim countries.

But they won't take them. Even other Muslims don't want the palestinians - but Israel should have them.

Suuure.


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Reply #43 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 8:55pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 8:48pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 8:14pm:
Israelis, or more correctly Jews supported by Uncle Sam, are seeking to expel the Palestinians from all their land by oppression to make their lives unbearable.


They can always migrate to Muslim countries.

But they won't take them. Even other Muslims don't want the palestinians - but Israel should have them.

Suuure.



Israel belongs to Muslims and Muslims belong to Israel.
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Reply #44 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 10:08pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 5:33pm:
The lands of Israel / Palestine have been fought over for thousands of years for either military or religious reasons or both.

It has religious significance for the three monotheistic religions and is now imbued with the status of an ultimate place of refuge.

There is no absolute right over its sovereignty... Just the prevailing of whichever nation or people needs it most.

And from the mid 20th century to date my money on those who need it most are the Jewish survivors and their descendants.

And so it goes with history into the present...

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