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May 25th, 2021 at 2:22pm
 
Israel did not win the war on Gaza ... Israel should take note: the weight of opinion is turning against it

"But they’re not fooling anyone. Israel knows that it has endured a strategic disaster, the “most failed and pointless border war” in its history, according to Haaretz’s editor, Aluf Benn. It did not see the Hamas attack coming and its vulnerability under fire will have been noted by Hezbollah to the north, which holds a much more powerful arsenal than Hamas’s, and by Hezbollah’s patron in Tehran."

International public opinion and especially public opinion in the USA is turning against Israel based on the abominable killing of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank and the violation of the rights of Palestinians in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.

There are also actions in the USA which has produced judgements that actions by state governments against people and organizations involving themselves in BDS is illegal according to the USA constitution. This will stifle Israel's campaign against the BDS movement.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/21/israel-opinion-western-attitudes-middle-east

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Israel should take note: the weight of opinion is turning against it
Jonathan Freedland

Thanks in part to a global focus more intense than on any other conflict, western attitudes to the Middle East may be shifting

Fri 21 May 2021 16.10 BST

It’s not over, because it’s never over. But there is at least the hope of a pause. After less than a fortnight in which nearly 250 people have been killed, both Hamas and Israel agreed late on Thursday to hold their fire, each crafting a victory story to tell the world and themselves.

For Hamas, the narrative is simple enough. Despite being caged in a tiny terrain, and with a fraction of their foe’s resources, they managed to surprise the enemy and strike at its civilian heart. They unleashed a torrent of missiles, more sophisticated than before, some of them breaching Israel’s Iron Dome defence system and landing not only on Israel’s peripheral towns but also its central city of Tel Aviv. It can claim, ahead of its Fatah rivals in the West Bank, to be the guardian of the Muslim holy places in Jerusalem. What’s more, it watched with satisfaction as a hole was ripped in Israel’s social fabric, with the country’s Jewish and Arab citizens attacking each other on streets they once shared.

For Israel, the generals are briefing that Operation Guardian of the Walls degraded Hamas’s military capacity, that most of those it killed were Hamas fighters, and that more has been done in the last 10 days than the equivalent offensives of 2009, 2012 and 2014 combined.

But they’re not fooling anyone. Israel knows that it has endured a strategic disaster, the “most failed and pointless border war” in its history, according to Haaretz’s editor, Aluf Benn. It did not see the Hamas attack coming and its vulnerability under fire will have been noted by Hezbollah to the north, which holds a much more powerful arsenal than Hamas’s, and by Hezbollah’s patron in Tehran.

Still, the bigger failings predate and go beyond this latest eruption. Israel told itself all was quiet on the Gaza front. More than that, it thought it had stilled the Palestinian issue altogether, convinced that its “Abraham accords” with Gulf states and others had made the Palestinians all but irrelevant. It has now seen the folly of that delusion.

Which points to the other strategic danger for Israel. It could yet prove ephemeral; the international attention span is short, people might soon scroll on to the next big thing. But plenty of credible observers wonder if a turning point was reached this last fortnight in the way the Israel/Palestine conflict is seen around the world and especially in the west. For a loud and influential segment of opinion, it is being reframed not as a national conflict of competing claims, but as a straightforward matter of racial justice. Note the placards at last weekend’s demonstration in London: Palestine Can’t Breathe and Palestinian Lives Matter.

Framed that way, #FreePalestine could be on its way to joining #MeToo or #BlackLivesMatter as an issue that a global generation regards as of paramount importance, championed not just by politicians but by the leading lights of popular culture, from footballers to singers to fashion influencers with millions of followers. The intercommunal clashes between Jews and Arabs inside Israel reinforce that reading, with incidents of police brutality or discrimination in the criminal justice system that seem to map neatly on to the BLM template.

Those with a strong connection to Israel scratch their heads at this, wondering why, of all the appalling things going on in the world, this is the one that cuts through – bringing huge crowds on to the streets of European capitals, filling up social media timelines. They note that people who have barely stirred at the detention of a million Uyghur Muslims in China; who have not so much as “liked” a tweet about the tens of thousands of Rohingya Muslims murdered by Myanmar; who rarely get agitated by the 200,000 civilians butchered by the Assad regime in Syria or by the 130,000 killed in Saudi Arabia’s war on Yemen; and who might be wholly unaware of the 52,000 estimated to have been killed in the Ethiopian-Tigray conflict since November, have nevertheless been filled with fury by events in Gaza.

Much of the explanation is that Israel/Palestine is simply more visible ...
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Reply #1 - May 25th, 2021 at 2:27pm
 
Hamas did not win the war on Israel. Roll Eyes
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Reply #2 - May 25th, 2021 at 2:37pm
 
No one wins in the Middle East -
those idiots have been killing each other for 5,000
years over religion.
It's not news - forget about it.
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Reply #3 - May 25th, 2021 at 2:56pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2021 at 2:37pm:
No one wins in the Middle East -
those idiots have been killing each other for 5,000
years over religion.
It's not news - forget about it.


Bobby, have you already stopped rejoicing over the death of 200+ Palestinians including 60+ children?
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Reply #4 - May 25th, 2021 at 2:59pm
 
The Guardian is hardly a reputable source. The article is merely anti-Israel propaganda.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - May 25th, 2021 at 3:03pm
 
Belgarion wrote on May 25th, 2021 at 2:59pm:
The Guardian is hardly a reputable source. The article is merely anti-Israel propaganda.  Roll Eyes


The world is turning against Israel's violations of human rights and acts of genocide and murder.

Belgarion's steaming dogma pile has congealed into a solid, impenetrable mass.
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Reply #6 - May 25th, 2021 at 3:19pm
 
The cocksuckers should stop pouring aid money into Israel unless they make serious efforts to settle a two states solution.

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Reply #7 - May 25th, 2021 at 5:18pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on May 25th, 2021 at 3:19pm:
The cocksuckers should stop pouring aid money into Israel unless
they make serious efforts to settle a two states solution.




That won't happen with Israel controlling American politics.
Israel gets $3 billion per annum in free
weapons from the USA which they use to kill Arabs with.
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Reply #8 - May 26th, 2021 at 9:21am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2021 at 2:22pm:
Israel did not win the war on Gaza ... Israel should take note: the weight of opinion is turning against it

Israel won the war in Gaza against Hamas.There's no question about that.

But Hamas was fighting two wars. A show one against Israel, which it neither won nor expected to win.

The other 'war' was against Fatah in the West Bank... A war for the soul of Palestinians.

Hamas is trying to eclipse Fatah in the minds of the Palestinians as the 'true' defenders of Palestine and that is the perceived victory Hamas has been celebrating.

However, there was almost no support for Hamas throughout the Middle East. The Arab nations are done with this endless anti-Israelism.

Now Israel is in the position of being able to aid the Fatah in the West Bank against Hamas as a 'favour' to the PA and its President Mahmoud Abbas.

Of course, this 'favour' will come at a cost: the eventual annexation of the West Bank by Israel.

This is not a religious war... It's realpolitik in action.
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Reply #9 - May 26th, 2021 at 1:04pm
 
Israel didn't fight a war on Gaza - it bombed the sh1t out of Hamas in Gaza.  Subtle difference.

Even this article states that Hamas struck first with a 'a barrage of rockets'...

Now Poppets - that is what they call 'spin'.

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"Well, pretty much the usual, Benny - Hamas fired off a few rockets and we clobbered them in return."

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Reply #10 - May 26th, 2021 at 1:44pm
 
Grappler, you are losing the grapple with the truth.

It wasn't a war, it was an Israeli atrocity against Palestinian civilians.

Those that support Israel are complicit in Israel's crimes.

Those that know what is happening but remain silent are complicit in Israel's crimes.
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Hamas struck first with a 'a barrage of rockets'
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Reply #12 - May 26th, 2021 at 3:31pm
 
Israelis are aware that the recent campaign was not a victory. It started in 1947 and, due to the nature of the tribes, it will never end. Every Israeli is a frontline soldier.
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Reply #13 - May 26th, 2021 at 3:53pm
 
issuevoter wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 3:31pm:
Israelis are aware that the recent campaign was not a victory. It started in 1947 and, due to the nature of the tribes, it will never end. Every Israeli is a frontline soldier.

Of course Israel won... They have proved to Iran that Hamas can and will be destroyed and they have the cards to 'assist' Fatah against Hamas in the West Bank.

The Israelis stand to gain the West Bank, the abandonment of Hamas by the Arab world and the further isolation of Iran in the Middle East and the world.

The enormous extent of Israel's victory is yet to be revealed.
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Reply #14 - May 26th, 2021 at 5:24pm
 
no one in the middle east , apart from the iranians like the palestinians.

saudi wont help them or take them, iraq doesnt want them, jordan and the emirates the same.

only woke western lefties support them.


they always look angry and emotionally unstable, wailing and flailing  about, crying, clenching their fist at the sky

a kindred spirit with the leftie elite  Cheesy
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As usual Hamas won the PR war by using women and children as human shields to elicit the reaction from the western lefties and continue to stoke anti semitism.

The losers of course are the Palestinian people who are held captive to religious wing nuts whose only goal is the genocide of Jews.

Racist anti semites like Aussie and his pet gimp support a group who openly support genocide.
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Gordon wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 6:00pm:
As usual Hamas won the PR war by using women and children as human shields to elicit the reaction from the western lefties and continue to stoke anti semitism.

The losers of course are the Palestinian people who are held captive to religious wing nuts whose only goal is the genocide of Jews.

Racist anti semites like Aussie and his pet gimp support a group who openly support genocide.

The term anti-semite is meaningless when both side are semitic.

Hamas did not win the 'PR' war... It lost even more support among the Arabs. Hamas was used by Iran to test the Israeli response to provocation and it got a display that will now jeopardise the existence of Hamas.

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Reply #17 - May 26th, 2021 at 6:13pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 6:08pm:
Gordon wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 6:00pm:
As usual Hamas won the PR war by using women and children as human shields to elicit the reaction from the western lefties and continue to stoke anti semitism.

The losers of course are the Palestinian people who are held captive to religious wing nuts whose only goal is the genocide of Jews.

Racist anti semites like Aussie and his pet gimp support a group who openly support genocide.

The term anti-semite is meaningless when both side are semitic.

Hamas did not win the 'PR' war... It lost even more support among the Arabs. Hamas was used by Iran to test the Israeli response to provocation and it got a display that will now jeopardise the existence of Hamas.



They won the PR war with Western lefties who don't get one group indiscriminately fires rockets into populated areas while using women and children as human shields while the other side warns civilians to leave an area before they target terrorists.
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Reply #18 - May 26th, 2021 at 6:15pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 6:13pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 6:08pm:
Gordon wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 6:00pm:
As usual Hamas won the PR war by using women and children as human shields to elicit the reaction from the western lefties and continue to stoke anti semitism.

The losers of course are the Palestinian people who are held captive to religious wing nuts whose only goal is the genocide of Jews.

Racist anti semites like Aussie and his pet gimp support a group who openly support genocide.

The term anti-semite is meaningless when both side are semitic.

Hamas did not win the 'PR' war... It lost even more support among the Arabs. Hamas was used by Iran to test the Israeli response to provocation and it got a display that will now jeopardise the existence of Hamas.



They won the PR war with Western lefties who don't get one group indiscriminately fires rockets into populated areas while using women and children as human shields while the other side warns civilians to leave an area before they target terrorists.

Really? You've spoken to all the 'Western lefties' and they're good with your speaking for them all?

I'd bet Hamas would be hoping they won the Palestinian PR war... But they haven't won anything because Israel will now strengthen Fatah.
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Reply #19 - May 26th, 2021 at 6:26pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 6:15pm:
Gordon wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 6:13pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 6:08pm:
Gordon wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 6:00pm:
As usual Hamas won the PR war by using women and children as human shields to elicit the reaction from the western lefties and continue to stoke anti semitism.

The losers of course are the Palestinian people who are held captive to religious wing nuts whose only goal is the genocide of Jews.

Racist anti semites like Aussie and his pet gimp support a group who openly support genocide.

The term anti-semite is meaningless when both side are semitic.

Hamas did not win the 'PR' war... It lost even more support among the Arabs. Hamas was used by Iran to test the Israeli response to provocation and it got a display that will now jeopardise the existence of Hamas.



They won the PR war with Western lefties who don't get one group indiscriminately fires rockets into populated areas while using women and children as human shields while the other side warns civilians to leave an area before they target terrorists.

Really? You've spoken to all the 'Western lefties' and they're good with your speaking for them all?

I'd bet Hamas would be hoping they won the Palestinian PR war... But they haven't won anything because Israel will now strengthen Fatah.


Judging by the media...
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Reply #20 - May 26th, 2021 at 8:11pm
 
To say that Israel won is to say there is some conclusion. It was just another campaign in the never ending war between Israel and the Islamic World. The next flare up will end the same way, but it is not victory.
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The tide is turning in favor of Palestinians as exemplified by worldwide demonstrations of support for Palestinians.

Below is a photo of a mass march in Los Angeles.

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Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 8:35pm:
The tide is turning in favor of Palestinians as exemplified by worldwide demonstrations of support for Palestinians.

Below is a photo of a mass march in Los Angeles.

Yeah... They look like they'd protest for the rights of verrucas.
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Israel has a secret weapon.


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Frank wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 9:32pm:
Israel has a secret weapon.



It does. The secret to survival.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 8:35pm:
The tide is turning in favor of Palestinians as exemplified by worldwide demonstrations of support for Palestinians.

Below is a photo of a mass march in Los Angeles.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210525110849-los-angeles-pro-palestinian-...



Hi LTYC,

you're not an anti-Semite are you?
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Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 10:31pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 8:35pm:
The tide is turning in favor of Palestinians as exemplified by worldwide demonstrations of support for Palestinians.

Below is a photo of a mass march in Los Angeles.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210525110849-los-angeles-pro-palestinian-...



Hi LTYC,

you're not an anti-Semite are you?


Love them. Can't get enough.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 11:11pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 10:31pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 8:35pm:
The tide is turning in favor of Palestinians as exemplified by worldwide demonstrations of support for Palestinians.

Below is a photo of a mass march in Los Angeles.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210525110849-los-angeles-pro-palestinian-...



Hi LTYC,

you're not an anti-Semite are you?


Love them. Can't get enough.




OK - write some pro Jewish statements.   Smiley
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Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 11:21pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 11:11pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 10:31pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 8:35pm:
The tide is turning in favor of Palestinians as exemplified by worldwide demonstrations of support for Palestinians.

Below is a photo of a mass march in Los Angeles.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210525110849-los-angeles-pro-palestinian-...



Hi LTYC,

you're not an anti-Semite are you?


Love them. Can't get enough.


OK - write some pro Jewish statements.   Smiley


Love them. Can't get enough. Is that enough?

I don't want to cause Bobby and his mate Yadda and his ilk to lose their jobs.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 11:24pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 11:21pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 11:11pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 10:31pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 8:35pm:
The tide is turning in favor of Palestinians as exemplified by worldwide demonstrations of support for Palestinians.

Below is a photo of a mass march in Los Angeles.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210525110849-los-angeles-pro-palestinian-...



Hi LTYC,

you're not an anti-Semite are you?


Love them. Can't get enough.


OK - write some pro Jewish statements.   Smiley


Love them. Can't get enough. Is that enough?

I don't want to cause Bobby and his mate Yadda and his ilk to lose their jobs.



How about -

I'd like to kiss a whole row of Jewish bums?
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Reply #30 - May 27th, 2021 at 12:31am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 8:35pm:
The tide is turning in favor of Palestinians as exemplified by worldwide demonstrations of support for Palestinians.

Below is a photo of a mass march in Los Angeles.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210525110849-los-angeles-pro-palestinian-...



More of a lynch mob.....how many of them are offering a Palestinian a spot in their home?  How many of them have visited Israel and seen the reality?  How many of them have seen the obscene massacres of Palestinians by 'fellow' Arabs, and the never-ending containment of Palestinians in their limited space - not welcome in the rest of the Arab world.
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Reply #31 - May 27th, 2021 at 12:33am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 11:34pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 11:24pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 11:21pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 11:11pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 10:31pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 8:35pm:
The tide is turning in favor of Palestinians as exemplified by worldwide demonstrations of support for Palestinians.

Below is a photo of a mass march in Los Angeles.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210525110849-los-angeles-pro-palestinian-...



Hi LTYC,

you're not an anti-Semite are you?


Love them. Can't get enough.


OK - write some pro Jewish statements.   Smiley


Love them. Can't get enough. Is that enough?

I don't want to cause Bobby and his mate Yadda and his ilk to lose their jobs.



How about -

I'd like to kiss a whole row of Jewish bums?


Discussion with LYTC is like dragging your hands through a sewer processing pond in search of a possible lost golden ring or diamond... with as much chance of success...
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Reply #32 - May 27th, 2021 at 12:42am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 11:34pm:
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I'd like to kiss a whole row of Jewish bums?


I know you would Bobby.

I don't want to cause Bobby and his mates Yadda and Grappler and his ilk to lose their jobs.
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Reply #33 - May 27th, 2021 at 8:35am
 
Frank wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 9:32pm:


Israel has a secret weapon.





Yes, it does.

Commonsense [and virtue],   vs.  a blind, cruel, and 'self-serving' hatred - of his brother and sister.




The     collective intellect     of the leadership of Hamas, Taliban, Hezbollah, Iran's mullah's, Boko Haram, etc [inspired by the    incoherent    pronouncements contained within the Koran, and ISLAMIC 'holy' texts],
vs.
the influence upon individual Israelis, of the wisdom contained within the Tanakh [the Hebrew Bible].


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Deuteronomy 30:3
That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.


Numbers 24:14
And now, behold, I go unto my people: come therefore, and I will advertise thee what this people shall do to thy people in the latter days.
15  And he took up his parable, and said, Balaam the son of Beor hath said, and the man whose eyes are open hath said:
16  He hath said, which heard the words of God, and knew the knowledge of the most High, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:
17  I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.
18  And Edom shall be a possession, Seir also shall be a possession for his enemies; and Israel shall do valiantly.


"...and destroy all the children of Sheth."

This can also read as "...and destroy all the children of tumult."

i.e.
All of the children of confusion, disorder, and violence.    .....the children of rebellion ?


Psalms 108:13
Through God we shall do valiantly: for he it is that shall tread down our enemies.


Zephaniah 3:8
Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.


Isaiah 40:5
And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
6  The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:
7  The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.
8  The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.


Isaiah 46:8
Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors.
9  Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10  Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
11  Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
12  Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness:
13  I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.


"....and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory."


Poetry, for the soul of man.

Holy scripture.




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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #34 - May 27th, 2021 at 9:12am
 
Yadda wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 8:35am:
Frank wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 9:32pm:


Israel has a secret weapon.




Yes, it does.

Commonsense [and virtue],   vs.  a blind, cruel, and 'self-serving' hatred - of his brother and sister.

The     collective intellect     of the leadership of Hamas, Taliban, Hezbollah, Iran's mullah's, Boko Haram, etc [inspired by the    incoherent    pronouncements contained within the Koran, and ISLAMIC 'holy' texts],
vs.
the influence upon individual Israelis, of the wisdom contained within the Tanakh [the Hebrew Bible].


Don't kid yourself.

Israel's survival is predicated on the horrors of the holocaust and the continuation of its founding fathers' determination that they will never be abandoned again, by humanity or weakened by blind faith in 'Yahweh' and stone-age theology.

Judaism is the cover-story about Jewish roots and established its adherents' right to return, but does not explain the sheer tenacity of the peoples' collective will to survive.

Most Jews descend from western and eastern Europe and 'god' had nothing to do with it.

As Pope Benedict asked rhetorically at Auschwitz : “Where was God in those days? Why was he silent? How could he permit this endless slaughter, this triumph of evil?”

The founders of Israel answered that question by putting aside 'godness' in favour of resolute pragmatism; i.e. the will to survive trumps 'godness'.

The rest of your post is sh!t, as usual... Try quoting something like 'The Art of War'.

Please don't reply to this with more of your vacuous 'theology'.
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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #35 - May 27th, 2021 at 9:14am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 12:42am:
Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 11:34pm:
How about -

I'd like to kiss a whole row of Jewish bums?


I know you would Bobby.

I don't want to cause Bobby and his mates Yadda and Grappler and his ilk to lose their jobs.



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Reply #36 - May 27th, 2021 at 9:29am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 9:14am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 12:42am:
Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 11:34pm:
How about -

I'd like to kiss a whole row of Jewish bums?


I know you would Bobby.

I don't want to cause Bobby and his mates Yadda and Grappler and his ilk to lose their jobs.



It's what you want to do -  Buddy.    Smiley


Based on the joy Bobby experiences when engaged in such activity?
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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #37 - May 27th, 2021 at 9:36am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 9:29am:
Bobby. wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 9:14am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 12:42am:
Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 11:34pm:
How about -

I'd like to kiss a whole row of Jewish bums?


I know you would Bobby.

I don't want to cause Bobby and his mates Yadda and Grappler and his ilk to lose their jobs.



It's what you want to do -  Buddy.    Smiley


Based on the joy Bobby experiences when engaged in such activity?



I think this is LTYC:

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Reply #38 - May 27th, 2021 at 9:58am
 
Thousands support Palestinian rights and justice in London.

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Reply #39 - May 27th, 2021 at 12:13pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 12:33am:
Discussion with LYTC is like dragging your hands through a sewer processing pond in search of a possible lost golden ring or diamond... with as much chance of success...


I acknowledge Grappler's expertise at "dragging his hands through a sewer" and his pride in that expertise.

The only golden ring or diamond Grappler will ever know is those in his fantasies.

Israel did not win the war on Gaza and in fact, damaged its international reputation and image further.

Sad 'little chappies' like Grappler and his ilk have no understanding of human rights and merely follow the dogma and propaganda of the little man on the TV.

I do have considerable empathy for Grappler and his ilk who has spent his whole life on his knees obeying the demands and commands of others and I don't begrudge him his unearned, free Australian taxpayer money he is receiving in his dotage.
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Sydney flooded with pro-Palestinian supporters. Even Australian Jews supported Palestinians.

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People who support genocidal maniacs

The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[3] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel
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Reply #42 - May 27th, 2021 at 3:06pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 2:29pm:
People who support genocidal maniacs

The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[3] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel


Which points to the need for an international institution capable of upholding an international rules-based system. since people who support genocidal maniacs exist on both sides of the argument.

But the UNSC was neutered from its inception, when the USSR and the US insisted : "no veto, no UN".

Times have changed, and it's time to have another look at that veto.

Otherwise homicidal maniacs will continue to wreak havoc. 


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Reply #43 - May 27th, 2021 at 5:40pm
 
The greater visibility that Islam's agenda has obtained in the west in the last two decades has definitely turned the opinion in favour of Israel. People have stopped assuming it is Israel's fault merely because they always win. People could not comprehend losers picking the same fight over and over again, and losing over and over again, until they met Islam. Now it all makes sense.
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Reply #45 - May 27th, 2021 at 5:54pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 3:06pm:
Times have changed, and it's time to have another look at that veto.



Yes. China has used the veto. Wink
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The United Nations Human Rights Council is about to meet on the human rights crimes by Israel. The US and Israel are not members. Israel has never been a member of the Human Rights Council.

Israel has further damaged its reputation by acts of murder in Gaza and the West Bank and the media coverage of the conflict becomes more intense every year.

Israel bombed the media building in Gaza to reduce media coverage of the Israeli atrocities in Gaza.

Many Jews living in countries other than Israel are supporting the right of Palestinians to justice and equality.

Even Australian Jews protested in support of Palestinians.

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-israel-can-t-defeat-the-palestinian-resist...

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... Tens of thousands of people, from the US to the UK, France, Germany and New Zealand have protested Israeli attacks; some American Democratic lawmakers have urged US President Joe Biden to force Israel to stop its latest aggression.

"Palestine has gained more international solidarity than ever recorded in its modern history; even mainstream media voices are now openly daring to say that 'Palestine has the right to defend itself,'" says Baroud.

"This historic shift in narratives will have massive consequences for Palestinian freedom in the future," he adds.

Under immense international pressure, Israel’s embattled hardliner Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was forced to accept a ceasefire last night.

“Palestinians and the millions who support their struggle will dismantle the Israeli Apartheid regime in Palestine. Palestinians inside and outside Palestine believe more than ever that freedom from occupation, return to their historical land, and dismantlement of the Israeli Apartheid system will be realized,” Arian concludes. ... 
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Human Rights Council meeting on Israeli human rights violations is live on Al Jazeera now.
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Reply #48 - May 27th, 2021 at 6:48pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 6:34pm:
Human Rights Council meetin on Israeli human rights violations is live on Al Jazeera now.



Al Jazeera?

You're not a Muslim are you?

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Bobby. wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 6:48pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 6:34pm:
Human Rights Council meetin on Israeli human rights violations is live on Al Jazeera now.


Al Jazeera?

You're not a Muslim are you?

Are you tinted?


Confess you are a Gordonite Bobby.
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Reply #50 - May 27th, 2021 at 7:15pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 7:01pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 6:48pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 6:34pm:
Human Rights Council meetin on Israeli human rights violations is live on Al Jazeera now.


Al Jazeera?

You're not a Muslim are you?

Are you tinted?


Confess you are a Gordonite Bobby.



Listen mate -
I'm in touch with the FBI - beat that.

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Reply #51 - May 27th, 2021 at 7:18pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 7:15pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 7:01pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 6:48pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 6:34pm:
Human Rights Council meetin on Israeli human rights violations is live on Al Jazeera now.


Al Jazeera?

You're not a Muslim are you?

Are you tinted?


Confess you are a Gordonite Bobby.



Listen mate -
I'm in touch with the FBI - beat that.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1622075179/0


Given Bobby's sexual predilections, please elaborate 'in touch'.
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Reply #52 - May 27th, 2021 at 8:13pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 6:34pm:
Human Rights Council meeting on Israeli human rights violations is live on Al Jazeera now.


They have also met numerous times on Hamas.

Quote:
The Binding Charter of the Current Government of the Palestinian Authority Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas

2. However, to understand events in Gaza (and beyond) there is an urgent need to consider the implications of the 1988 Charter of Hamas – available on the net – since Hamas is the legally elected Government of the Palestinian Authority. 1

3. We have been alerting the Commission about the dangers of this binding Charter since January 1989. 2

4. Regarding peace, its Article 13 is totally negative: “ Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. (…) There is no solution to the Palestinian question except by Jihad. All initiatives, proposals, and International Conferences are a waste of time and vain endeavours .”

5. Religious hatred of Jews (not only of Israel) is expressed by a hadith or ‘saying’ that concludes Article 7:

“ The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews) when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say: O Muslims (…) there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. “ Only the gharkad tree [evidently a certain kind of tree] would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (this hadith , quoted from al-Bukhari and Muslim, both considered as highly reliable sources for the hadith or ‘sayings’ of the Prophet Muhammad).



6. Article 8, the slogan of the Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas (widely quoted by clerics and others) is a blueprint for jihadist terrorism: “ Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its Constitution; Jihad is its path, and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes .” 3



7. Article 28 widens the circle of hate to include all Jews: “ Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Muslim people: ‘May the cowards never sleep .’” The Charter in its preface quotes Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, as saying: “ Israel will exist and continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it .”



10. The CONCLUSION has a subheading: The Islamic Resistance Movement is Composed of Soldiers

under which article 36 states, inter alia , that the Islamic Resistance Movement “ will only serve as a support for all groupings and organizations operating against the Zionist enemy and its lackeys (…) “ The Islamic Resistance Movement adopts Islam as its way of life. Islam is its creed and religion. Whoever takes Islam as his way of life, be it an organization, a grouping, a country or any other body, the Islamic Resistance Movement considers itself as their soldiers and nothing more .”



11. With the Hamas Charter now binding the Palestinian leadership, its call for the destruction of a Member State of the United Nations is in contravention to Article 2 (4) of the 1945 UN Charter. Article 3 (c) of the 1948 Genocide Convention condemns “direct and public incitement to commit genocide,” which is punishable under its article 4. The grave situation in Gaza – and not only in Gaza – is linked to the Hamas Charter of religious and racial hatred, which merits debate at the Human Rights Council as soon as possible.


https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-182893/


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Reply #53 - May 27th, 2021 at 8:17pm
 
Article 7 of the Hamas covenant includes this verse that says trees and rocks will start talking.

Takes it up the ass till he cries supports this idiotic belief.
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Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

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Reply #54 - May 27th, 2021 at 8:19pm
 
Jews are expressing support for Palestinians.

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UAE Cleric Accuses Hamas of Escalating Israeli Violence in Palestine


Rabat - Amid the use of violence and deadly attacks against Palestinians, Emirati cleric Wassem Yousef shared a series of controversial tweets, blaming Hamas for the escalation of violence in Palestine.

The cleric shared a series of posts on all of his social networks about Hamas.

In one of the tweets, the UAE cleric said Hamas launched rockets against people's homes, accusing it of killing children and describing it as an “epidemic.”

Despite the international community’s condemnation of the situation, the Emarati cleric decided to focus on Hamas and its response to Israel’s attacks.

Rabat - Amid the use of violence and deadly attacks against Palestinians, Emirati cleric Wassem Yousef shared a series of controversial tweets, blaming Hamas for the escalation of violence in Palestine.



The cleric shared a series of posts on all of his social networks about Hamas.

In one of the tweets, the UAE cleric said Hamas launched rockets against people's homes, accusing it of killing children and describing it as an “epidemic.”

Amid the humanitarian situation, Israel fails to display any restraint, leading to escalated aggression in the region.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that his country’s forces will use the “sovereign power we have to restore order and restore peace and security to the citizens of Israel and the cities of Israel.”

Israeli’s illegal use of violence and the heavy bombardment on the Gaza Strip continued into Wednesday morning, Al Jazeera reported.



During the night, Israeli forces launched intensive crackdowns on several locations across the region.

Israeli jets also bombed sites where Palestinian armed groups were located.

The death toll due to Israeli attacks in Gaza reached 48 among Palestinians, including 14 children. Over 300 others sustained injuries due to Israeli attacks.

Read Also: Arab League: Morocco Shares Serious Concerns Over Israeli Violations Against Palestine
Despite the international community’s condemnation of the situation, the Emarati cleric decided to focus on Hamas and its response to Israel’s attacks.

The recent controversy from the cleric is not new, however.

The cleric is known for his pro-Israeli position.

Last year, Yousef shared a video of Palestinians stepping on his country’s flag in response to the UAE’s decision to normalize ties with israel.

In response, he told Palestinians that they do not “really deserve Jerusalem.”

“Most of you work in Israel and you are asking the Arabs to boycott Israel,” he said, saying that Palestinians are “without morals.”

“The Jews are more honorable than you,” he said.


https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/05/341976/uae-cleric-accuses-hamas-of-esca...
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NonIsraeli Jews are supporting the Palestinians.

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Well - Hasidic Jews can be a bit like that... so tied up in academic consideration that they can't see the trees or the forest... sort of like feminists and such... you know....
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thegreatdivide wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 3:06pm:
Which points to the need for an international institution capable of upholding an international rules-based system. since people who support genocidal maniacs exist on both sides of the argument.

It's hard to know whether that comment is just Chinese dark humour or you're actually serious and naive.

How did the CSNSP respond to the PCA's ruling against China in the South China Sea?

On July 12, the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) unanimously ruled that many of China’s claims to the South China Sea had “no legal basis.”

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"Israel did not win the war on Gaza"




It must be true !

Because these were some of the headlines which were sighted in Turkish daily newspapers during the conflict....


"Palestinian fighters shot 137 rockets into Israel within five minutes."

"Israel is a state of terror...."

"This is how al-Qassam Brigade hit a lifeline oil plant in Ashkelon-Eilat,"

"Hamas hits, Zionists are burning,"

"Rockets shock Zionists."

"Tel Aviv turns into hell..."

"Zionists are fleeing Hamas rockets."


https://www.meforum.org/62357/turkey-awash-in-anti-israel-propaganda



This report may be seen on the Sunday morning HYPER-BOWL segment on the 'OUTSIDERS',
on SKY on WIN.   ???


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The conflict in one photo



Not really factoring in the Palestinian women and children that can't get access to fresh water because Israel built a wall, now is it.
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@ Reply #60,

NonIsraeli Jews are supporting the Palestinians.

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Not a very Tanakh [the Hebrew Bible] based position, for any Jewish person to declare that he holds 'ZIONISTS' in disdain !

Or to declare that; "JUDAISM REJECTS ZIONISM" !!!


But hey !     All ISLAMISTS support freedom of conscience.     Right ???




"The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob."

"Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion."

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1539305319/3#3


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1 Kings 8:1
Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto king Solomon in Jerusalem, that they might bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which is Zion.


Psalms 14:7
Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.


Psalms 48:1
Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness.
Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.


Psalms 50:1
The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.
2  Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.
3  Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.
4  He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.


Psalms 65:1
Praise waiteth for thee, O God, in Sion: and unto thee shall the vow be performed.
2  O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.
3  Iniquities prevail against me: as for our transgressions, thou shalt purge them away.
Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.


Psalms 69:34
Let the heaven and earth praise him, the seas, and every thing that moveth therein.
35  For God will save Zion, and will build the cities of Judah: that they may dwell there, and have it in possession.
36  The seed also of his servants shall inherit it: and they that love his name shall dwell therein.


Psalms 87:1
His foundation is in the holy mountains.
The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.
3  Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah.
4  I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon to them that know me: behold Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia; this man was born there.
5  And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her.


Psalms 110:2
The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.


Psalms 125:1
They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
2  As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the LORD is round about his people from henceforth even for ever.
3  For the rod of the wicked shall not rest upon the lot of the righteous; lest the righteous put forth their hands unto iniquity.
4  Do good, O LORD, unto those that be good, and to them that are upright in their hearts.
5  As for such as turn aside unto their crooked ways, the LORD shall lead them forth with the workers of iniquity: but peace shall be upon Israel.


Psalms 129:4
The LORD is righteous: he hath cut asunder the cords of the wicked.
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.


Psalms 132:13
For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.



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Yadda, you geriatric, degenerate, reactionary, you need to try to keep up. The world is changing. Old fables no longer captivate zealots.
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freediver wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 5:40pm:
The greater visibility that Islam's agenda has obtained in the west in the last two decades has definitely turned the opinion in favour of Israel. People have stopped assuming it is Israel's fault merely because they always win. People could not comprehend losers picking the same fight over and over again, and losing over and over again, until they met Islam. Now it all makes sense.


You're kidding surely. The global demos recently - like the BLM protests last year - were anti-Israeli at least 10 to 1.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 8:40am:
It's hard to know whether that comment is just Chinese dark humour or you're actually serious and naive.



I'm as "serious and naive" as 'Doc' Evatt, former High Court Judge of Australia who along with many smaller nations resisted the enforced adoption of the UNSC veto in 1946. (btw Evatt also supported the creation the modern State of Israel).

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How did the CSNSP respond to the PCA's ruling against China in the South China Sea?

On July 12, the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) unanimously ruled that many of China’s claims to the South China Sea had “no legal basis.”


Trouble is everyone ignores UN rulings, for the reason I already outlined...which you term naive, based on your  delusional "individual rights/individual sovereignty" ideology, which doesn't exist in nature.

China is super-sensitive about the S. China sea because the US inisists on sailing its warships through the Taiwan Strait and arming Taiwan. Remember the US' reaction to Soviet presence in Cuba?   

And it's only recently the democracy ideologues in Taiwan have decided they are no longer the rightful rulers of China.

Guess what, it's not their decision to decide who is the rightful government of China.
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thegreatdivide wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 12:15pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 8:40am:
It's hard to know whether that comment is just Chinese dark humour or you're actually serious and naive.



I'm as "serious and naive" as 'Doc' Evatt, former High Court Judge of Australia who along with many smaller nations resisted the enforced adoption of the UNSC veto in 1946. (btw Evatt also supported the creation the modern State of Israel).

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How did the CSNSP respond to the PCA's ruling against China in the South China Sea?

On July 12, the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) unanimously ruled that many of China’s claims to the South China Sea had “no legal basis.”


Trouble is everyone ignores UN rulings, for the reason I already outlined...which you term naive, based on your  delusional "individual rights/individual sovereignty" ideology, which doesn't exist in nature.

China is super-sensitive about the S. China sea because the US inisists on sailing its warships through the Taiwan Strait and arming Taiwan. Remember the US' reaction to Soviet presence in Cuba?   

And it's only recently the democracy ideologues in Taiwan have decided they are no longer the rightful rulers of China.

Guess what, it's not their decision to decide who is the rightful government of China.

Let's just say the CSNSP is more than just super-sensitive, it's dangerously, even ridiculously, paranoid.

Its fear even extends to Chloe Zhao and not for the content of the film she directed, but because 10 years ago she was quoted as saying: "It goes back to when I was a teenager in China, being in a place where there are lies everywhere. You felt like you were never going to be able to get out. A lot of info I received when I was younger was not true, and I became very rebellious toward my family and my background.”.

For this she was vilified by the CSNSP; not lauded as a great Chinese-descent artist.

On a more stupid note, there's the 'crime' of criticising the late Yuan Longping, for which a Chinese national can be arrested.

The CSNSP's idiotic and neurotic paranoia is eclipsed by a more destructive kind, like the arbitrary imposing of sanctions on Australia for asking the regime for an open investigation into the pandemic after an obvious cover-up... The most dangerous kind is the CSNSP's treatment of China's ethnic and religious minorities.

In short, the world needs this regime to end. The world is done with it. What else would the CSNSP inflict on the world if it wasn't kept in check.
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The world is changing:

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NorthOfNorth wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 12:39pm:
Let's just say the CSNSP is more than just super-sensitive, it's dangerously, even ridiculously, paranoid.


No, but I already explained why your false 'individual sovereignty ' delusion renders you ideologically blind.

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Its fear even extends to Chloe Zhao and not for the content of the film she directed, but because 10 years ago she was quoted as saying: "It goes back to when I was a teenager in China, being in a place where there are lies everywhere. You felt like you were never going to be able to get out. A lot of info I received when I was younger was not true, and I became very rebellious toward my family and my background.”


It's not easy for a  Marxist state to dispel the Western delusion of individual sovereignty based on classical liberalism and its fake natural rights dogma.

That's why China has to fight to maintain its Marxist course, in pursuit of an economy that works for everyone, not just deluded people like Zhao who think its great to be free, regardless of anyone else's circumstances.

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For this she was vilified by the CSNSP; not lauded as a great Chinese-descent artist.


And she deserved to be vilified as a traitor to the Marxist cause of universal economic well-being, ....like all Randian "freedom" fools. 

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On a more stupid note, there's the 'crime' of criticising the late Yuan Longping, for which a Chinese national can be arrested.


The inventor of high yield rice? Why would you criticize him?

Nothing like the stupidity of arrest for criticizing the King in 'democrati Thailand; whereas the CCP is the guardian of Marxism in China.

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The CSNSP's idiotic and neurotic paranoia is eclipsed by a more destructive kind, like the arbitrary imposing of sanctions on Australia for asking the regime for an open investigation into the pandemic after an obvious cover-up... The most dangerous kind is the CSNSP's treatment of China's ethnic and religious minorities.


More blind ideology. To further explain, the CCP must defend
the principle of universal economic well-being against instinctive greed which is the natural state of all of us.

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In short, the world needs this regime to end. The world is done with it. What else would the CSNSP inflict on the world if it wasn't kept in check.


No; if the Marxist principle  disappears, the planet's biodiversity and ecological health are destroyed... by endless self-serving wars, and increasing inequality and poverty resulting from un-managed individual self interest.
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thegreatdivide wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 11:56am:
freediver wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 5:40pm:
The greater visibility that Islam's agenda has obtained in the west in the last two decades has definitely turned the opinion in favour of Israel. People have stopped assuming it is Israel's fault merely because they always win. People could not comprehend losers picking the same fight over and over again, and losing over and over again, until they met Islam. Now it all makes sense.


You're kidding surely. The global demos recently - like the BLM protests last year - were anti-Israeli at least 10 to 1.


Tell us more about your little fantasy of the world turning against the Jews.
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Jews are beaten up on Western streets.  Nobody is protesting. 

There would be howling outrage if Arabs were similarly beaten up after Islamic terrorism - even though there is hardly any equivalence between daily Islamic terrorism and Israel defending itself from Islamic terrorists.

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Jews are beaten up on Western streets.

Nobody is protesting. 




Agatha,

Q.
Why is no one protesting ?



Why is no one, 'in authority' [in government authorities], and no one in the MSM highlighting these attacks upon Jewish people [BY PERSONS WHO ARE THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM] ?

Why are the perpetrators of these attacks not being charged, and why are their identities
and their motive(s)
not being investigated, AND revealed to us [to the public] ?

And if some of these criminals are being charged with these crimes, why haven't the MSM highlighted this, in their reporting ?



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Agatha,

In this life, every one of us, gets to freely choose what it is, which we allow into our hearts.



Yadda said....
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We ourselves, are the 'gatekeepers' of our hearts.

We choose which spirits we allow [invite] into our hearts.

And nobody [and no spirit] can compel us, to join with them.

And no spirit can compel us to do what is evil.

Nobody compels us, to choose the evil.

When we choose the evil, we ourselves choose it.




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If we will walk on God's path, the spirit of God will teach us how to choose.

Amos 3:3
Can two walk together, except they be agreed?


Psalms 25:12
What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.


Proverbs 22:24
Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go:
25  Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.



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Reply #78 - May 28th, 2021 at 9:37pm
 
One thing I will credit Muslims with - they are not hypocrites like most Westerners are.

Muslims believe in their creed and culture. Westerners do not and will hedge and yeah-but endlesslly. Yes, hypochrisy is a good thing in small doses - you don't  want to disab ut se your children about Santa and the tooth fairy too soon - but the West has taken hypocrisy, betrayal and surrender way too far. Like Byzantine,  the West imagines itself too strong and eternal.

But it is weak and ready to fall because it simply doesn't  believe in what is supposed to stand for.

It will make no sacrifices for anything. That's  the end for it.

Israel is radically different and will prevail.  It's  secret weapon is that Israelis have nowhere else to go.  Israel is alive and aware just as the West is asleep and self-deceiving.

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Frank wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 9:37pm:

One thing I will credit Muslims with - they are not hypocrites like most Westerners are.

Muslims believe in their creed and culture. Westerners do not and will hedge and yeah-but endlesslly. Yes, hypochrisy is a good thing in small doses - you don't  want to disab ut se your children about Santa and the tooth fairy too soon - but the West has taken hypocrisy, betrayal and surrender way too far. Like Byzantine,  the West imagines itself too strong and eternal.

But it is weak and ready to fall because it simply doesn't  believe in what is supposed to stand for.

It will make no sacrifices for anything. That's  the end for it.

Israel is radically different and will prevail.  It's  secret weapon is that Israelis have nowhere else to go.  Israel is alive and aware just as the West is asleep and self-deceiving.



Yes, its true, what you say about ppl in the West, about the 'culture' of the West.

And many of us, in introspection, may tend to want to blame our political class.

But it is us, ourselves.

We need only look into a mirror.

The ppl who are our lawmakers, are us !



Yesteryear, the 'heathen' lived, we knew, in a nation over the horizon,
he was far, far across the ocean somewhere.

But today, we, who imagine that we still possess 'culture' and 'values',
it is we, who are now the 'heathen'.     ....today, it is we, who are the 'idol' worshipers.

A people without merit [....with little virtue].


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   What are the most important things in life?  What do the
   proverbs, the wise sayings of man through the ages, have to say
   on this point?  Let us search them.  If we did so we would come
   up with the following list:

       - the basic necessities (food and shelter)
       - a good wife (or spouse)
       - good health
       - a good conscience
       - a good name
       - wisdom, understanding, good sense, spiritual knowledge,
           understanding of ourselves and life

   Now let us ask another question.  What things are most commonly
   pursued by man?  What does the common, ordinary man pursue in
   life?  We can list them:

       - temporary pleasure (gratification of appetites)
       - material possessions, wealth
       - social position, being "important"
       - friendship, friends, acceptance by a group


http://solitaryroad.com/a398.html


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434160480/1#1




"Slip sliding away."



The heathen.....

Psalms 9:15
The heathen are sunk down in the pit that they made: in the net which they hid is their own foot taken.
16  The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.
17  The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.



But you do not believe, in a God.   ???

A God of righteousness, a God who is a judge.


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freediver wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 5:40pm:
Tell us more about your little fantasy of the world turning against the Jews.


"Israeli police attempted to disperse worshippers inside the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound Friday evening using stun grenades and tear gas. Hundreds of Palestinians were injured in the attacks, which have been condemned worldwide."

Fantasy?

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But you do not believe, in a God.   ???
A God of righteousness, a God who is a judge.


Indeed it's likely our universe was created by God who 'predates' its beginning (which is incomprehensible to humans) and is the source of righteousness  and 'love consciousness' in an otherwise inanimate E=mc.c world.

But as to belief in the bronze age 'god' who authorized genocide on babies (OT) , or prescribed dark-age punishments for "infidels and and criminals" (Koran)..... such monsters of the human imagination are not God.
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If Muslims were beaten up on the streets of Western cities as Jews are beaten up (often by Muslim 'refugees'), there would be howling outrage about racism.
When Jews are beaten and humiliated it is hushed up or not even reported. That's why I am pro Israel : I see why the Jews will never, ever take it lying down, not from anyone.
That's the mistake the Arabs are making, they think it's  a replay of the 1940s and they can do better than the Germans (ridiculous delusion by the Arabs, the most inadequate people after the Africans).





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Bertie wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 7:56pm:
If Muslims were beaten up on the streets of Western cities as Jews are beaten up (often by Muslim 'refugees'), there would be howling outrage about racism.
When Jews are beaten and humiliated it is hushed up or not even reported. That's why I am pro Israel : I see why the Jews will never, ever take it lying down, not from anyone.
That's the mistake the Arabs are making, they think it's  a replay of the 1940s and they can do better than the Germans (ridiculous delusion by the Arabs, the most inadequate people after the Africans).


You are celebrating the bombing, violence against Palestinians, and death of Palestinians and other Muslims because Jews are being bashed in the streets of the USA and Europe?

You appear to be very confused.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 6:08pm:
The term anti-semite is meaningless when both side are semitic.


Actually they're not. The majority of Israeli Jews are descendants of a Turkic people, from a land once called Kharazia.

This is why many of them - Netanyahu is a prime example - appear to be more European than Middle Eastern.

Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe talks about this at length.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 8:40pm:
Bertie wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 7:56pm:
If Muslims were beaten up on the streets of Western cities as Jews are beaten up (often by Muslim 'refugees'), there would be howling outrage about racism.
When Jews are beaten and humiliated it is hushed up or not even reported. That's why I am pro Israel : I see why the Jews will never, ever take it lying down, not from anyone.
That's the mistake the Arabs are making, they think it's  a replay of the 1940s and they can do better than the Germans (ridiculous delusion by the Arabs, the most inadequate people after the Africans).


You are celebrating the bombing, violence against Palestinians, and death of Palestinians and other Muslims because Jews are being bashed in the streets of the USA and Europe?

You appear to be very confused.

I am celebrating nothing. I am pointing out the hypocrisy. 

Don't  pretend you do not know : Hamas started it, as always. Israel hits BACK. Good.  There should be demonstrations scriss the world against Hamas aggression. Instead, Jews are beaten up because Israel defends itself.




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NorthOfNorth wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 6:08pm:
The term anti-semite is meaningless when both side are semitic.


Actually they're not. The majority of Israeli Jews are descendants of a Turkic people, from a land once called Kharazia.

This is why many of them - Netanyahu is a prime example - appear to be more European than Middle Eastern.

Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe talks about this at length.

Well, it is a hypothesis. The Jews have been perhaps the most mobile people in the last 2000 years, intermingling with everyone from Scandinavia to North Africa and Persia to Portugal.

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Bertie wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 12:44pm:
wombatwoody wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 12:57am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 6:08pm:
The term anti-semite is meaningless when both side are semitic.


Actually they're not. The majority of Israeli Jews are descendants of a Turkic people, from a land once called Kharazia.

This is why many of them - Netanyahu is a prime example - appear to be more European than Middle Eastern.

Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe talks about this at length.

Well, it is a hypothesis. The Jews have been perhaps the most mobile people in the last 2000 years, intermingling with everyone from Scandinavia to North Africa and Persia to Portugal.



Most Jews outside the Middle East are converts who have no connection to any Jewish purported homeland in Palestine.

In fact, most Jews in Israel are descendants of European Jews. Very few have a real connection to any homeland outside the land of dogma.

I suggest the real Jewish homeland is New York.
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Bertie wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 12:32pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 8:40pm:
Bertie wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 7:56pm:
If Muslims were beaten up on the streets of Western cities as Jews are beaten up (often by Muslim 'refugees'), there would be howling outrage about racism.
When Jews are beaten and humiliated it is hushed up or not even reported. That's why I am pro Israel : I see why the Jews will never, ever take it lying down, not from anyone.
That's the mistake the Arabs are making, they think it's  a replay of the 1940s and they can do better than the Germans (ridiculous delusion by the Arabs, the most inadequate people after the Africans).


You are celebrating the bombing, violence against Palestinians, and death of Palestinians and other Muslims because Jews are being bashed in the streets of the USA and Europe?

You appear to be very confused.

I am celebrating nothing. I am pointing out the hypocrisy. 

Don't  pretend you do not know : Hamas started it, as always. Israel hits BACK. Good.  There should be demonstrations scriss the world against Hamas aggression. Instead, Jews are beaten up because Israel defends itself.






No, England started it in 1948.
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It is amazing how many Israeli dupes believe that Hamas and the Palestinians started the war against Israel when the truth is that Jews committed genocide against the Palestinians and forced them out of their homes and land murdering many Palestinians.

As the governing authority of the time, the UK deserves to be held accountable for the genocide which it has continually supported since 1948.
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Reply #91 - May 30th, 2021 at 6:18pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 2:10pm:
Bertie wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 12:32pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 8:40pm:
Bertie wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 7:56pm:
If Muslims were beaten up on the streets of Western cities as Jews are beaten up (often by Muslim 'refugees'), there would be howling outrage about racism.
When Jews are beaten and humiliated it is hushed up or not even reported. That's why I am pro Israel : I see why the Jews will never, ever take it lying down, not from anyone.
That's the mistake the Arabs are making, they think it's  a replay of the 1940s and they can do better than the Germans (ridiculous delusion by the Arabs, the most inadequate people after the Africans).


You are celebrating the bombing, violence against Palestinians, and death of Palestinians and other Muslims because Jews are being bashed in the streets of the USA and Europe?

You appear to be very confused.

I am celebrating nothing. I am pointing out the hypocrisy. 

Don't  pretend you do not know : Hamas started it, as always. Israel hits BACK. Good.  There should be demonstrations scriss the world against Hamas aggression. Instead, Jews are beaten up because Israel defends itself.






No, England started it in 1948.



So Hamas is lobbing rockets at Israel - a country created by the UN -  in 2021 because they are miffed about the Attlee government of the UK in 1948.

Bwianesque, Arssie.

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It's  about Islam. They can't  accept the Jews.

The area of Israel was ruled by invading and conquering Arabs and Turks from the end of the Roman empire. There has never been a kingdom or country or province of 'Palestine' since the end of Rome. The Arabs there submitted to Islamic rule under the Ottomans for the best part of 500 years. They didn't call it Palestine.

The Romans, the Arabs, the Turks, the Brits conquered it. Now the Jews re-conquered it and are making it a far better place than anyone did before.

It's so tiny compared to all the Muslim territories that it can only be religious fanaticism that makes Muslims to be so mad about it reverting to the Jews.

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Bertie wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 10:32pm:
It's  about Islam. They can't  accept the Jews.

The area of Israel was ruled by invading and conquering Arabs and Turks from the end of the Roman empire. There has never been a kingdom or country or province of 'Palestine' since the end of Rome. The Arabs there submitted to Islamic rule under the Ottomans for the best part of 500 years. They didn't call it Palestine.

The Romans, the Arabs, the Turks, the Brits conquered it. Now the Jews re-conquered it and are making it a far better place than anyone did before.

It's so tiny compared to all the Muslim territories that it can only be religious fanaticism that makes Muslims to be so mad about it reverting to the Jews.



People cannot accept the acts of genocide, murder, and extensive, brutal, human rights violations by Israel.

Even the Arab Israelis are rising against oppression.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 11:26pm:
People cannot accept the acts of genocide, murder, and extensive, brutal, human rights violations by Israel.

Even the Arab Israelis are rising against oppression.


I'll give you the mothra response to that inanity - so wrong on so many counts I don't know where to begin....

Now for the second mothra response - no elaboration or explanation will be entered into, so you are left floundering at a willow the wisp... and she never once learns from a response.

Not alone there, is she?  In your case it is far more sinister - you do it on purpose which gives rise to serious concerns about your mental health.

Stick to what you know, mental kid, you know nothing about Israel.
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Reply #95 - May 31st, 2021 at 5:24am
 
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 2:24am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 11:26pm:
People cannot accept the acts of genocide, murder, and extensive, brutal, human rights violations by Israel.

Even the Arab Israelis are rising against oppression.


I'll give you the mothra response to that inanity - so wrong on so many counts I don't know where to begin....

Now for the second mothra response - no elaboration or explanation will be entered into, so you are left floundering at a willow the wisp... and she never once learns from a response.

Not alone there, is she?  In your case it is far more sinister - you do it on purpose which gives rise to serious concerns about your mental health.

Stick to what you know, mental kid, you know nothing about Israel.


Seriously, what is your obsession with me? I don't think i've even commented on this thread.


All over the forum, you are mentioning me in all sorts of random posts.

Stop it. Please. If i want to hear from you, i'll rattle your cage.
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Reply #96 - May 31st, 2021 at 10:55am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 11:26pm:
Bertie wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 10:32pm:
It's  about Islam. They can't  accept the Jews.

The area of Israel was ruled by invading and conquering Arabs and Turks from the end of the Roman empire. There has never been a kingdom or country or province of 'Palestine' since the end of Rome. The Arabs there submitted to Islamic rule under the Ottomans for the best part of 500 years. They didn't call it Palestine.

The Romans, the Arabs, the Turks, the Brits conquered it. Now the Jews re-conquered it and are making it a far better place than anyone did before.

It's so tiny compared to all the Muslim territories that it can only be religious fanaticism that makes Muslims to be so mad about it reverting to the Jews.



People cannot accept the acts of genocide, murder, and extensive, brutal, human rights violations by Israel.

Even the Arab Israelis are rising against oppression.

None of this is happening, obviously. No genocide, murder, brutal human right violations by Israel.

Cant say the same about many of the enemies of Israel.



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Reply #97 - May 31st, 2021 at 11:06am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 11:26pm:
Bertie wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 10:32pm:
It's  about Islam. They can't  accept the Jews.

The area of Israel was ruled by invading and conquering Arabs and Turks from the end of the Roman empire. There has never been a kingdom or country or province of 'Palestine' since the end of Rome. The Arabs there submitted to Islamic rule under the Ottomans for the best part of 500 years. They didn't call it Palestine.

The Romans, the Arabs, the Turks, the Brits conquered it. Now the Jews re-conquered it and are making it a far better place than anyone did before.

It's so tiny compared to all the Muslim territories that it can only be religious fanaticism that makes Muslims to be so mad about it reverting to the Jews.



People cannot accept the acts of genocide, murder, and extensive, brutal, human rights violations by Israel.

Even the Arab Israelis are rising against oppression.



None of this is happening, obviously. No genocide, murder, brutal human right violations by Israel.

Can't say the same about many of the enemies of Israel.



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Reply #98 - May 31st, 2021 at 11:07am
 
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 10:55am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 11:26pm:
Bertie wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 10:32pm:
It's  about Islam. They can't  accept the Jews.

The area of Israel was ruled by invading and conquering Arabs and Turks from the end of the Roman empire. There has never been a kingdom or country or province of 'Palestine' since the end of Rome. The Arabs there submitted to Islamic rule under the Ottomans for the best part of 500 years. They didn't call it Palestine.

The Romans, the Arabs, the Turks, the Brits conquered it. Now the Jews re-conquered it and are making it a far better place than anyone did before.

It's so tiny compared to all the Muslim territories that it can only be religious fanaticism that makes Muslims to be so mad about it reverting to the Jews.



People cannot accept the acts of genocide, murder, and extensive, brutal, human rights violations by Israel.

Even the Arab Israelis are rising against oppression.

None of this is happening, obviously. No genocide, murder, brutal human right violations by Israel.

Cant say the same about many of the enemies of Israel.





What about Rachel Corrie?

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Reply #99 - May 31st, 2021 at 11:14am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 11:07am:
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 10:55am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 11:26pm:
Bertie wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 10:32pm:
It's  about Islam. They can't  accept the Jews.

The area of Israel was ruled by invading and conquering Arabs and Turks from the end of the Roman empire. There has never been a kingdom or country or province of 'Palestine' since the end of Rome. The Arabs there submitted to Islamic rule under the Ottomans for the best part of 500 years. They didn't call it Palestine.

The Romans, the Arabs, the Turks, the Brits conquered it. Now the Jews re-conquered it and are making it a far better place than anyone did before.

It's so tiny compared to all the Muslim territories that it can only be religious fanaticism that makes Muslims to be so mad about it reverting to the Jews.



People cannot accept the acts of genocide, murder, and extensive, brutal, human rights violations by Israel.

Even the Arab Israelis are rising against oppression.

None of this is happening, obviously. No genocide, murder, brutal human right violations by Israel.

Cant say the same about many of the enemies of Israel.





What about Rachel Corrie?

Spot

You tell us.

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Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 11:14am:
You tell us.


Agatha and Grappler and their ilk are just blunt objects used by professional Israeli propagandists such as FleaDriver to promote Israeli propaganda and to spread lies.

Agatha is most likely a sock of losers like Moses and Bias.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 12:07pm:
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 11:14am:
You tell us.


Agatha and Grappler and their ilk are just blunt objects used by professional Israeli propagandists such as FleaDriver to promote Israeli propaganda and to spread lies.

Agatha is most likely a sock of losers like Moses and Bias.

Spot brought it up, he should tell us about it. I can't explain what he is thinking.
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Reply #102 - May 31st, 2021 at 1:40pm
 
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:21pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 12:07pm:
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 11:14am:
You tell us.


Agatha and Grappler and their ilk are just blunt objects used by professional Israeli propagandists such as FleaDriver to promote Israeli propaganda and to spread lies.

Agatha is most likely a sock of losers like Moses and Bias.

Spot brought it up, he should tell us about it. I can't explain what he is thinking.
Can you?



Your Hasbara propaganda manual will guide you.

If your question is genuine you are too uninformed and stupid to be debating this subject.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 2:13pm:
It is amazing how many Israeli dupes believe that Hamas and the Palestinians started the war against Israel when the truth is that Jews committed genocide against the Palestinians and forced them out of their homes and land murdering many Palestinians.

As the governing authority of the time, the UK deserves to be held accountable for the genocide which it has continually supported since 1948.



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Bobby. wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:48pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 2:13pm:
It is amazing how many Israeli dupes believe that Hamas and the Palestinians started the war against Israel when the truth is that Jews committed genocide against the Palestinians and forced them out of their homes and land murdering many Palestinians.

As the governing authority of the time, the UK deserves to be held accountable for the genocide which it has continually supported since 1948.



LTYC can sum up 5,000 years of history
in a couple of short lines.   Embarrassed


You mean like:

Bobby is a racist bigoted ghoul who celebrates and rejoices in the death of Palestinians and Indians.

... and

Israelis murder Palestinian children and civilians as a sport.
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Reply #105 - May 31st, 2021 at 1:53pm
 
UN Resolution 181 created Israel. Israel accepted the UN decision, the neighbouring Muslims didn't and immediately attacked the UN-created new country of Israel.

Take it from there - the Muslims did not accept the UN decision and started a war.  And Israel has been fighting BACK ever since.




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UN Resolution 181 created Israel. Israel accepted the UN decision, the neighbouring Muslims didn't and immediately attacked the UN-created new country of Israel.

Take it from there - the Muslims did not accept the UN decision and started a war.  And Israel has been fighting BACK ever since.




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Reply #107 - May 31st, 2021 at 2:00pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:48pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 2:13pm:
It is amazing how many Israeli dupes believe that Hamas and the Palestinians started the war against Israel when the truth is that Jews committed genocide against the Palestinians and forced them out of their homes and land murdering many Palestinians.

As the governing authority of the time, the UK deserves to be held accountable for the genocide which it has continually supported since 1948.



LTYC can sum up 5,000 years of history
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You mean like:

Bobby is a racist bigoted ghoul who celebrates and rejoices in the death of Palestinians and Indians.




You're a poof as bad as Alan Joyce:

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Reply #108 - May 31st, 2021 at 2:03pm
 
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:54pm:
UN Resolution 181 created Israel. Israel accepted the UN decision, the neighbouring Muslims didn't and immediately attacked the UN-created new country of Israel.

Take it from there - the Muslims did not accept the UN decision and started a war.  And Israel has been fighting BACK ever since.






Why should they?

Israel has been fighting to retain lands it has no right to take....in Gaza.  The Gazans are fighting back as best they can given the massive support the State of Israel relies upon from the West.  It would be a fair fight if the same support was given to the Palestinians.

The Brits are the root of the problem.
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Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:54pm:
UN Resolution 181 created Israel. Israel accepted the UN decision, the neighbouring Muslims didn't and immediately attacked the UN-created new country of Israel.

Take it from there - the Muslims did not accept the UN decision and started a war.  And Israel has been fighting BACK ever since.


Jews committed genocide and mass murder to create their state of Israel. That doesn't give Israelis the right to murder Palestinian civilians daily as they do now.
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Reply #110 - May 31st, 2021 at 2:12pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 2:03pm:
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:54pm:
UN Resolution 181 created Israel. Israel accepted the UN decision, the neighbouring Muslims didn't and immediately attacked the UN-created new country of Israel.

Take it from there - the Muslims did not accept the UN decision and started a war.  And Israel has been fighting BACK ever since.






Why should they?

Israel has been fighting to retain lands it has no right to take....in Gaza.  The Gazans are fighting back as best they can given the massive support the State of Israel relies upon from the West.  It would be a fair fight if the same support was given to the Palestinians.

The Brits are the root of the problem.



Why did Hamas start rocketing Israel?  There is no reason to fight.  The Palestinians are given a lot of aid. Just not for weapon because they have no legitimate military claim on Israel.

The Brits did not create Israel, the UN did.




Just imagine - all the Arabs said, "ok, let's not fight, let's work together".  They could organise themselves peacefully and benefit HUGELY from Israeli support. Gaza and the West Bank could be very prosperous very quickly.
Instead, they are kept as 'refugees' by their ideology of never accepting the existence of Israel.

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Laugh till you cry wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 2:04pm:
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:54pm:
UN Resolution 181 created Israel. Israel accepted the UN decision, the neighbouring Muslims didn't and immediately attacked the UN-created new country of Israel.

Take it from there - the Muslims did not accept the UN decision and started a war.  And Israel has been fighting BACK ever since.


Jews committed genocide and mass murder to create their state of Israel. That doesn't give Israelis the right to murder Palestinian civilians daily as they do now.



I don't  think you can provide any evidence for this assertion.

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Laugh till you cry wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 2:04pm:
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:54pm:
UN Resolution 181 created Israel. Israel accepted the UN decision, the neighbouring Muslims didn't and immediately attacked the UN-created new country of Israel.

Take it from there - the Muslims did not accept the UN decision and started a war.  And Israel has been fighting BACK ever since.


Jews committed genocide and mass murder to create their state of Israel. That doesn't give Israelis the right to murder Palestinian civilians daily as they do now.



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Aussie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 2:03pm:
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:54pm:
UN Resolution 181 created Israel. Israel accepted the UN decision, the neighbouring Muslims didn't and immediately attacked the UN-created new country of Israel.

Take it from there - the Muslims did not accept the UN decision and started a war.  And Israel has been fighting BACK ever since.






Why should they?

Israel has been fighting to retain lands it has no right to take....in Gaza.  The Gazans are fighting back as best they can given the massive support the State of Israel relies upon from the West.  It would be a fair fight if the same support was given to the Palestinians.

The Brits are the root of the problem.


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Only a bunch of ffked-up Arabs would launch rockets at the Israelis when they know exactly what is going to happen.........all for Iran to pat them on the back.....and supply them with more rockets etc.....
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Aussie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 2:03pm:
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:54pm:
UN Resolution 181 created Israel. Israel accepted the UN decision, the neighbouring Muslims didn't and immediately attacked the UN-created new country of Israel.

Take it from there - the Muslims did not accept the UN decision and started a war.  And Israel has been fighting BACK ever since.






Why should they?

Israel has been fighting to retain lands it has no right to take....in Gaza.  The Gazans are fighting back as best they can given the massive support the State of Israel relies upon from the West.  It would be a fair fight if the same support was given to the Palestinians.

The Brits are the root of the problem.


Struck-off solicitors "are the root of the problem" fkwit........


What the fuq?
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Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 2:12pm:
Aussie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 2:03pm:
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:54pm:
UN Resolution 181 created Israel. Israel accepted the UN decision, the neighbouring Muslims didn't and immediately attacked the UN-created new country of Israel.

Take it from there - the Muslims did not accept the UN decision and started a war.  And Israel has been fighting BACK ever since.






Why should they?

Israel has been fighting to retain lands it has no right to take....in Gaza.  The Gazans are fighting back as best they can given the massive support the State of Israel relies upon from the West.  It would be a fair fight if the same support was given to the Palestinians.

The Brits are the root of the problem.



Why did Hamas start rocketing Israel?  There is no reason to fight.  The Palestinians are given a lot of aid. Just not for weapon because they have no legitimate military claim on Israel.

The Brits did not create Israel, the UN did.




Just imagine - all the Arabs said, "ok, let's not fight, let's work together".  They could organise themselves peacefully and benefit HUGELY from Israeli support. Gaza and the West Bank could be very prosperous very quickly.
Instead, they are kept as 'refugees' by their ideology of never accepting the existence of Israel.



The UK was the driving force as the winners of WW2 divided up the spoils of war.
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Only a bunch of ffked-up Arabs would launch rockets at the Israelis when they know exactly what is going to happen.........all for Iran to pat them on the back.....and supply them with more rockets etc.....



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Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 2:13pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 2:04pm:
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:54pm:
UN Resolution 181 created Israel. Israel accepted the UN decision, the neighbouring Muslims didn't and immediately attacked the UN-created new country of Israel.

Take it from there - the Muslims did not accept the UN decision and started a war.  And Israel has been fighting BACK ever since.


Jews committed genocide and mass murder to create their state of Israel. That doesn't give Israelis the right to murder Palestinian civilians daily as they do now.



I don't  think you can provide any evidence for this assertion.



You don't think is the only true part of your answer.
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Jews are supporting Palestinians against Israeli oppression and murder.

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Laugh till you cry wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 4:40pm:
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 2:13pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 2:04pm:
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:54pm:
UN Resolution 181 created Israel. Israel accepted the UN decision, the neighbouring Muslims didn't and immediately attacked the UN-created new country of Israel.

Take it from there - the Muslims did not accept the UN decision and started a war.  And Israel has been fighting BACK ever since.


Jews committed genocide and mass murder to create their state of Israel. That doesn't give Israelis the right to murder Palestinian civilians daily as they do now.



I don't  think you can provide any evidence for this assertion.



You don't think is the only true part of your answer.



So you can't back up you assertion then, only awkwardly sidestep your obvious inability.   If you had evidence you could have easily provided it. But all you have is mindless hyperbole.


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Bertie wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 12:44pm:
wombatwoody wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 12:57am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 6:08pm:
The term anti-semite is meaningless when both side are semitic.


Actually they're not. The majority of Israeli Jews are descendants of a Turkic people, from a land once called Kharazia.

This is why many of them - Netanyahu is a prime example - appear to be more European than Middle Eastern.

Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe talks about this at length.

Well, it is a hypothesis. The Jews have been perhaps the most mobile people in the last 2000 years, intermingling with everyone from Scandinavia to North Africa and Persia to Portugal.



You wouldn't say that if you'd studied that work.

And,

'But the most striking characteristic of the Khazars was the apparent adoption of Judaism by the khagan and the greater part of the ruling class in about 740 ... but the fact itself is undisputed and unparalleled in central Eurasian history. A few scholars have even asserted that the Judaized Khazars were the remote ancestors of many eastern European and Russian Jews.'

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Khazar

And if those Britannica editors studied Koestler's work they wouldn't write this:

The circumstances of the conversion remain obscure, the depth of their adoption of Judaism difficult to assess
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Reply #122 - Jun 1st, 2021 at 7:03pm
 
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 2:13pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 2:04pm:
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:54pm:
UN Resolution 181 created Israel. Israel accepted the UN decision, the neighbouring Muslims didn't and immediately attacked the UN-created new country of Israel.

Take it from there - the Muslims did not accept the UN decision and started a war.  And Israel has been fighting BACK ever since.


Jews committed genocide and mass murder to create their state of Israel. That doesn't give Israelis the right to murder Palestinian civilians daily as they do now.



I don't  think you can provide any evidence for this assertion.



See The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe:

'Ilan Pappe is an Israeli historian and senior lecturer at Haifa University.  He’s also Academic Director of the Research Institute for Peace at Givat Haviva and Chair of the Emil Touma Institute for Palestinian Studies.  Pappe is an expert on Israel and Zionism and the Palestinians’ Right of Return to their homeland ... He proves from official records how the Israeli state came into being with blood on its hands from lands forcibly seized from its Palestinian inhabitants who’d lived on it for hundreds of years previously.  Since the 1940s, they were ethnically cleansed and slaughtered without mercy so their homeland would become one for Jews alone. '

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine-by-ilan-pap...
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Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:54pm:
UN Resolution 181 created Israel. Israel accepted the UN decision, the neighbouring Muslims didn't and immediately attacked the UN-created new country of Israel.

Take it from there - the Muslims did not accept the UN decision and started a war.  And Israel has been fighting BACK ever since.



Because had they done so then they would've become second-class citizens in their own land.

The UN vote was rigged anyway. The Zionists threatened smaller nations like Sri Lanka. Vote for Israel or all aid will be be cut off.
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The Palestinian Muslims who accepted Israel now have more rights and freedoms, and more say in their own governance, than in any other middle eastern country. The Jews literally brought freedom and democracy, and most of the Muslims demonstrated that they would prefer Islam.
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Because had they done so then they would've become second-class citizens in their own land.


The Palestinian Muslims who accepted Israel now have more rights and freedoms


That's a terrible argument.

That's no different to the argument used by American slave owners to justify slavery.


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The Israelis never enslaved the Palestinians. They gave them freedom and democracy for the first time in the 1400 year history of Islam. They gave it to them from the very beginning. All they had to do is want it.

Do you have a problem with Muslims and Jews living together in a liberal democracy? I know plenty of Muslims do, but now is your chance to think for yourself.
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The Israelis never enslaved the Palestinians. They gave them freedom and democracy for the first time in the 1400 year history of Islam. They gave it to them from the very beginning. All they had to do is want it.

Do you have a problem with Muslims and Jews living together in a liberal democracy? I know plenty of Muslims do, but now is your chance to think for yourself.


Around ~2 million are enslaved in Gaza. They cannot leave, they cannot have a seaport, they cannot have an airport. Israel steals Gaza aid money.

Israel murders civilians and children in Gaza as a sport called "mowing the grass".
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You don't know what slavery is.

Muslims steal the aid money to buy rockets to fire into Israel.
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When the Palestinians were denied the right to be equal citizens in their own land that's essentially the same as slavery.
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freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:09pm:
You don't know what slavery is.

Muslims steal the aid money to buy rockets to fire into Israel.


IF that is true....I guess they have to use whatever resource they have to attempt to match what the West gives to the State of Israel.
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freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:09pm:
You don't know what slavery is.

Muslims steal the aid money to buy rockets to fire into Israel.


There are only a few shekels left after expert robbers in Israel take their fill.
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Aussie wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:09pm:
You don't know what slavery is.

Muslims steal the aid money to buy rockets to fire into Israel.


IF that is true....I guess they have to use whatever resource they have to attempt to match what the West gives to the State of Israel.


Because they "have to" destroy a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards places on earth, just like you?

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You do not know what slavery is.
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Reply #133 - Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:22pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 7:10pm:
Bertie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:54pm:
UN Resolution 181 created Israel. Israel accepted the UN decision, the neighbouring Muslims didn't and immediately attacked the UN-created new country of Israel.

Take it from there - the Muslims did not accept the UN decision and started a war.  And Israel has been fighting BACK ever since.



Because had they done so then they would've become second-class citizens in their own land.

The UN vote was rigged anyway. The Zionists threatened smaller nations like Sri Lanka. Vote for Israel or all aid will be be cut off.


So jews controlled everything and still do? Cheesy
Why resist then, if it's  all been controlled by the jews even before Israel was declared?? The Jews  controlled everifin' while the holocaust was happening.

Your own idea?




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When the Palestinians were denied the right to be equal citizens in their own land that's essentially the same as slavery.

That is just stupid.

So every ethnicity without its own country are slaves?


You morons go overboard so quickly with the emotional hyperbole that you forfeit any claim to rationalality from then on.

Bwianesque.



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freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:17pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:09pm:
You don't know what slavery is.

Muslims steal the aid money to buy rockets to fire into Israel.


IF that is true....I guess they have to use whatever resource they have to attempt to match what the West gives to the State of Israel.


Because they "have to" destroy a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards places on earth, just like you?

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When the Palestinians were denied the right to be equal citizens in their own land that's essentially the same as slavery.


You do not know what slavery is.


Jayzuz....you need a new script writer as do the many others around the Planet who use the same excuse for a State invading neighbouring lands they have no right to.  It is a rubbish to say that because the State of Israel is (wherever you describe it as) it therefore has a 'get out of jail free' card, and it can do whatever it likes....because it can, militarily.

Might (Western might) does not equal right no matter who the aggressor is.
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freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:06pm:
The Israelis never enslaved the Palestinians.


Actually, you missed the point. The slaveowner argument went like this: 'Look at these blacks. They're well-fed, fit, healthy and strong. They're far better off than they were in their deepest darkest Africa.'

Yes, they were well-fed, fit, healthy and strong. But that didn't change the fact that they were slaves and had no freedom.

That's the same as what you're saying.

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They gave them freedom


What freedom?

'Palestinians make up 20% of Israel’s population and although their rights to political participation and representation are recognized by Israeli and international law, in practice they face widespread discrimination, including in terms of citizenship, housing, education and health care.'

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/09/israel-discriminatory-measures-un...

'There are currently more than 65 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens in Israel and Palestinian residents of the Occupied Palestinian Territories, according to Adalah, The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel.'

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/7/19/five-ways-israeli-law-discriminates-aga...

'Israel still applies more than 50 laws that privilege Jews over Arabs. For example, the 1950 Law of Return grants automatic citizenship rights to Jews from anywhere in the world upon request, while denying that same right to Palestinians ... As many as 45 Palestinian villages in Israel, many of which pre-date the founding of the state, are not recognized by the Israeli government, and are not listed on maps and receive no services (water, electricity, sanitation, roads, etc.) from the government. More than 75,000 Palestinians live in these unrecognized villages. Meanwhile, hundreds of new Jewish communities have been established on lands confiscated from Palestinians.'

https://imeu.org/article/are-palestinian-and-jewish-citizens-of-israel-treated-e...

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Do you have a problem with Muslims and Jews living together in a liberal democracy?


Israel's not a democracy, far from it. The religious parties, all orthodox, have disproportionate influence over elections effectively leaving secular Israelis no say at all in the process. These are not tiny fringe groups. They have a great deal of influence on the Israeli government, especially the Likud governments. The members of Gush Emunim constitute a significant percentage of the elite units of the Israeli army.

I suggest you read some Norman Zucker:

"One of the major successes of theopolitics has been the institutionalization of the Orthodox rabbinate within the state. The Orthodox rabbinate in Israel has been established as a monopoly - neither Reform nor Conservative rabbinic ordinations are recognized - and it is, in part, supported by the state. This monopoly and state support, in conjunction with the coercive tactics of the religious parties in the Knesset, has given the Orthodox rabbinate a good deal of power. It uses this power to further the observance of Orthodox norms, often violating the civil rights of the nonobservant Israeli ... Orthodox Judaism has become firmly established in Israel's armed forces."

Norman L. Zucker, The Coming Crisis in Israel: Private Faith and Public Policy

And:

'Fundamentalist rabbis have approved murder, attacks on Arabs, illegal land seizures and racist segregation, and have ignored the murder of a prime minister...

'No rabbi has been tried for an illegal act by a civilian or soldier because of his teachings. After all, they are only tutors, and then "permission has been granted." In "properly functioning" states like Saudi Arabia or Egypt it has long been understood that the responsibility of a religious figure is no less than that of a terrorist. They arrest and imprison, exile or silence in different ways the preachers who raised generations of murderous zealots. Turkey removes from the military anyone who expresses excessive religious fervor.

'In Israel, on the other hand, former chief military rabbi Avihai Rontzki initiated a meeting of intelligence soldiers with Rabbi Lior, the backbone of "The King's Torah." The following was said about the Israel Defense Forces' ethics code: "When there is a conflict between orders based on the ethics code and a halakhic instruction, of course one must follow halakha" - Jewish law. It's not incitement that's dangerous, but rather its transformation into the accepted and central form of discourse.'

https://www.haaretz.com/1.5103500

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Reply #137 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 2:51am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:17pm:
You do not know what slavery is.


Slaves have no freedom.

What freedoms do the Palestinians have?

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freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:17pm:
You do not know what slavery is.


Slaves have no freedom.

What freedoms do the Palestinians have?





Israel's Declaration of Independence called for the establishment of a Jewish state with equality of social and political rights, irrespective of religion, race, or sex.[206]

The rights of citizens are guaranteed by a set of basic laws (Israel does not have a written constitution).[207] Although this set of laws does not explicitly include the term "right to equality", the Israeli Supreme Court has consistently interpreted "Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty"[208] and "Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation (1994)"[209] as guaranteeing equal rights for all Israeli citizens.[210]

The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Arab Israelis are citizens of Israel with equal rights" and states that "The only legal distinction between Arab and Jewish citizens is not one of rights, but rather of civic duty. Since Israel's establishment, Arab citizens have been exempted from compulsory service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF)."[211] Druze and Circassians are drafted into the Israeli army, while other Arabs may serve voluntarily; however, only a very small number of Arabs choose to volunteer for the Israeli army[212]).




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Israel's Declaration of Independence called for the establishment of a Jewish state with equality of social and political rights, irrespective of religion, race, or sex.


You're a moron. The state can't be "Jewish" and then have equality.

The term "Jewish state" implies privilege for Jews.

Israel is a racist, terrorist state that murders Palestinians for sport.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 12:43pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 12:31pm:
Israel's Declaration of Independence called for the establishment of a Jewish state with equality of social and political rights, irrespective of religion, race, or sex.


You're a moron. The state can't be "Jewish" and then have equality.

The term "Jewish state" implies privilege for Jews.

Israel is a racist, terrorist state that murders Palestinians for sport.



Oh, so that's  why the 22 Arab countries do not have equality but privilege Muslims and many of them are racist and terrorist (13 million sq kms, 400 million people).


But you are worked up about one Jewish country (22 thousand sq km,  9 million people) that is ONE THIRD the size of Tasmania and which provides greater freedoms to its Arab citizens than the oppressive  Arab countries provide to their own. 
I guess it's easier for the lazy and stupid to criticise Israel for existing and defending itself than reforming the sea of 400 million Muslim Arabs around it.

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Frank wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 2:10pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 12:43pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 12:31pm:
Israel's Declaration of Independence called for the establishment of a Jewish state with equality of social and political rights, irrespective of religion, race, or sex.


You're a moron. The state can't be "Jewish" and then have equality.

The term "Jewish state" implies privilege for Jews.

Israel is a racist, terrorist state that murders Palestinians for sport.



Oh, so that's  why the 22 Arab countries do not have equality but privilege Muslims and many of them are racist and terrorist (13 million sq kms, 400 million people).


But you are worked up about one Jewish country (22 thousand sq km,  9 million people) that is ONE THIRD the size of Tasmania and which provides greater freedoms to its Arab citizens than the oppressive  Arab countries provide to their own. 
I guess it's easier for the lazy and stupid to criticise Israel for existing and defending itself than reforming the sea of 400 million Muslim Arabs around it.



So, you accept that Arabs are second rate citizens in the State of Israel.  Why?

Do you suggest that we not allow Australians of Chinese origins any more rights than the citizen inhabitants of China have?  You know ~ "That's better than what they get in China so they should be grateful to the Country which gave them citizenship outside China, just shut the fuq up, pound sand and eat the schit we so magnanimously give them."
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See, there you have described the bizarre stupidity of bunging the State of Israel where they did in 1948.
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I guess it's easier for the lazy and stupid to criticise Israel for existing and defending itself than reforming the sea of 400 million Muslim Arabs around it.


See, there you have described the bizarre stupidity of bunging the State of Israel where they did in 1948.


Where do you think they should have put it, Aussie?

FD says Tasmania's too wacist.

Ayers Rock, perhaps?

You're allowed to dispossess that. It's owned by a handful of Boongs who won't let FD climb it if he could be bothered spending three days driving through all that boring scenery.
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Jayzuz....you need a new script writer as do the many others around the Planet who use the same excuse for a State invading neighbouring lands they have no right to.  It is a rubbish to say that because the State of Israel is (wherever you describe it as) it therefore has a 'get out of jail free' card, and it can do whatever it likes....because it can, militarily.


You are confused Aussie. How did you get that from what I said?

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Actually, you missed the point.


It's easy to miss the point when you make up stupid crap like Palestinians are slaves. Here's a tip: if you don't want your point to be lost, don't surround it by absurd lies.

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What freedom?


More freedom than in any other middle eastern country.

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Israel's not a democracy, far from it. The religious parties, all orthodox, have disproportionate influence over elections effectively leaving secular Israelis no say at all in the process.


That is not a rational argument. Seems you do not know what democracy is either.
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Reply #145 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 6:04pm
 
Jew on Jew violence.

FleaDriver is wrong. Israel is not a democracy.

Only Jews have freedom in Israel and even then there are some mistakes as mobs of Jews mistake another Jew for an Arab and attempt to lynch him.

That has happened many times.

Even Jews are not safe from being lynched and murdered by other Jews.

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Stabbed Israeli Jew mistaken for Arab criticises violence ...https://www.theguardian.com › world › oct › stabbed-is...
Oct 15, 2015 — 'We are all equal,' says Uri Rezken, wounded in vigilante attack, and it is a hate crime regardless of whether an Arab or a Jew stabs him.


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Violence on Israeli Streets Sows Fear of Lasting Rupture - The ...https://www.nytimes.com › live › world › israel-gaza-news
May 17, 2021 — Fighting escalated between Israeli forces and Palestinian militants, with Israeli ground troops now involved, while clashes within Israel ...


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Israeli soldier kills Jewish civilian in 'identity mishap' - BBC Newshttps://www.bbc.com › world-middle-east-34602287
Oct 22, 2015 — An Israeli soldier has killed a Jewish Israeli civilian in Jerusalem after each confronted the other thinking they were an Arab attacker, reports ...



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In Israel's chaotic violence, cases of mistaken identity can be ...https://www.washingtonpost.com › news › 2015/10/23
Oct 22, 2015 — Over the past month, Israel has been shocked by a wave of violence that has seen dozens of assaults, many of which have resulted in deaths.


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2 off-duty soldiers assaulted after being mistaken for Arabs ...https://www.timesofisrael.com › 2-off-duty-soldiers-ass...
Aug 20, 2017 — Father of one of the victims tells police that witnesses saw the attack unfold but did not call police.
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I didn't know that democracy meant no stabbings.
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Reply #147 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 6:17pm
 
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I didn't know that democracy meant no stabbings.


There is a lot that FleaDriver does not want to know.
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Reply #148 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 6:31pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 6:17pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 6:11pm:
I didn't know that democracy meant no stabbings.


There is a lot that FleaDriver does not want to know.

Yes, he gets quite 'confused' a lot.
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Reply #149 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:33pm
 
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I guess it's easier for the lazy and stupid to criticise Israel for existing and defending itself than reforming the sea of 400 million Muslim Arabs around it.


See, there you have described the bizarre stupidity of bunging the State of Israel where they did in 1948.


There were a lot of Jew in Palestine when was the jewish city Tel Aviv created?

You should stick to driving taxis.
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Reply #150 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:37pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:09pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:06pm:
The Israelis never enslaved the Palestinians. They gave them freedom and democracy for the first time in the 1400 year history of Islam. They gave it to them from the very beginning. All they had to do is want it.

Do you have a problem with Muslims and Jews living together in a liberal democracy? I know plenty of Muslims do, but now is your chance to think for yourself.


Around ~2 million are enslaved in Gaza. They cannot leave, they cannot have a seaport, they cannot have an airport. Israel steals Gaza aid money.


Gaza has a border with Egypt. Why do idiots like you ignore this fact?

Egypt took control of Gaza in 1948 they lost it to Israel in 1967 6 day war. Israel gave Gaza back in 2005.

The only time Palestinians have controlled Gaza is from 2005 when Israel gave it back it's now an Islamic shithole run by Hamas.
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Reply #151 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:40pm
 
Taking you at your word....'they gave it back.'

And now 'they' are invading it.
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Israel has been fighting to retain lands it has no right to take....in Gaza.  The Gazans are fighting back as best they can given the massive support the State of Israel relies upon from the West.  It would be a fair fight if the same support was given to the Palestinians.

The Brits are the root of the problem.


Israel hasn't taken any land in Gaza ya dopey taxi driver.

The US does give aid to Israel which is compensation for restraining them from selling weapons technology to other countries.

Our FA18 use this Israeli technology for precision bombs many countries would like this technology have a look at who is using it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litening

I would say about 80% of our Navy weapons systems come from Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Weapon_Station

The Iron Dome system Israel used to shoot down thousands of Hams and Islamic Jihad rockets is made by the same Israeli company. The US tried to develop a missile system to shoot down missiles they couldn't do it even when they knew when rockets were launched and where they were going they spent billions trying. Have a look at the small number of countries the Iron Dome will be sold to. It was cheaper for the US to fund the jews in developing this system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome

All the good precision military technology comes from the jews in Israel we should have chosen Israeli spec F35 they have ironed out all the bugs.

Precision weapon from Palestine muslims.




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Reply #153 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:53pm
 
More precision weapons from muslims who gave us the shoe and undie bombers.

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Reply #154 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:56pm
 
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Taking you at your word....'they gave it back.'

And now 'they' are invading it.


They didn't invade Gaza you're bullshitting again.

Perhaps you should stick to driving taxis and wondering about clits.
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Reply #155 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:57pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 12:31pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 2:51am:
freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:17pm:
You do not know what slavery is.


Slaves have no freedom.

What freedoms do the Palestinians have?





Israel's Declaration of Independence called for the establishment of a Jewish state with equality of social and political rights, irrespective of religion, race, or sex.[206]

The rights of citizens are guaranteed by a set of basic laws (Israel does not have a written constitution).[207] Although this set of laws does not explicitly include the term "right to equality", the Israeli Supreme Court has consistently interpreted "Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty"[208] and "Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation (1994)"[209] as guaranteeing equal rights for all Israeli citizens.[210]

The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Arab Israelis are citizens of Israel with equal rights" and states that "The only legal distinction between Arab and Jewish citizens is not one of rights, but rather of civic duty. Since Israel's establishment, Arab citizens have been exempted from compulsory service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF)."[211] Druze and Circassians are drafted into the Israeli army, while other Arabs may serve voluntarily; however, only a very small number of Arabs choose to volunteer for the Israeli army[212]).



What part of,

although their rights to political participation and representation are recognized by Israeli and international law, in practice they face widespread discrimination, including in terms of citizenship, housing, education and health care

do you not understand?
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Reply #156 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:59pm
 
If you had to chose to live in any country in the Middle East or North Africa, which one would you choose?
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Cute.....so you are asserting that no Israeli settlements have been slowly encroaching into Gaza.
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Reply #158 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:01pm
 
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If you had to chose to live in any country in the Middle East or North Africa, which one would you choose?


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Aussie wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:01pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:59pm:
If you had to chose to live in any country in the Middle East or North Africa, which one would you choose?


You are confused Effendi. 


You are incapable of giving an honest answer Aussie. If you were to talk about your own future, you would have to actually think about what you are saying.
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Reply #160 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:08pm
 
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Aussie wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:01pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:59pm:
If you had to chose to live in any country in the Middle East or North Africa, which one would you choose?


You are confused Effendi. 


You are incapable of giving an honest answer Aussie. If you were to talk about your own future, you would have to actually think about what you are saying.


Aussie has never met a Jew, so how would he know if he wants to live in Israel?
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wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:57pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 12:31pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 2:51am:
freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:17pm:
You do not know what slavery is.


Slaves have no freedom.

What freedoms do the Palestinians have?





Israel's Declaration of Independence called for the establishment of a Jewish state with equality of social and political rights, irrespective of religion, race, or sex.[206]

The rights of citizens are guaranteed by a set of basic laws (Israel does not have a written constitution).[207] Although this set of laws does not explicitly include the term "right to equality", the Israeli Supreme Court has consistently interpreted "Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty"[208] and "Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation (1994)"[209] as guaranteeing equal rights for all Israeli citizens.[210]

The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Arab Israelis are citizens of Israel with equal rights" and states that "The only legal distinction between Arab and Jewish citizens is not one of rights, but rather of civic duty. Since Israel's establishment, Arab citizens have been exempted from compulsory service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF)."[211] Druze and Circassians are drafted into the Israeli army, while other Arabs may serve voluntarily; however, only a very small number of Arabs choose to volunteer for the Israeli army[212]).



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although their rights to political participation and representation are recognized by Israeli and international law, in practice they face widespread discrimination, including in terms of citizenship, housing, education and health care

do you not understand?


Hams is the government in Gaza they're Islamist, What right s if any do christians have in Gaza under Islamic apartheid?

Islamic apartheid is quite common look at Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan the Taliban in Afghanistan or Al Shaabab in Somalia or even Boko Haram in Nigeria and tell us what rights if any minorities have in any of those countries.

Islamic apartheid is much worse for minorities why are people silent about this?
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Reply #162 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:10pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:03pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:01pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:59pm:
If you had to chose to live in any country in the Middle East or North Africa, which one would you choose?


You are confused Effendi. 


You are incapable of giving an honest answer Aussie. If you were to talk about your own future, you would have to actually think about what you are saying.


Your confusion is getting worse, Effendi.
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Cute.....so you are asserting that no Israeli settlements have been slowly encroaching into Gaza.


Can you provide evidence of any Israeli settlements in Gaza since 2005 or are you bullshitting again?

Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005 all Israelis were removed they even dug up graves of dead jews and removed them as well.

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyehs sisters prefer to live in Israel his 17 year old niece was recently treated in an Israeli hospital for cancer.
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Reply #164 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 5:47pm:
More freedom than in any other middle eastern country.


Which middle eastern countries subject their citizens to widespread discrimination, including in terms of citizenship, housing, education and health care, the way Israel does to its non-Jewish population?

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That is not a rational argument.


Those are the facts. How can you call that not rational?

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Seems you do not know what democracy is either.


If you claim Israel is a democracy then you are blissfully unaware of not only the facts on the ground but also the history:

'When I talked to these people I saw that they took (the Bible) literally. Furthermore, in one of my conversations with Mr. Ben Gurion he made the remark that, "the Bible is our charter." I began to realize that Zionism is a thinly veiled theocracy. The Bible was in their minds when they were talking, but they used modern nationalistic language in order to hide the fact that this was theocratic in nature. They realized that a theocratic society would not appeal to America.

'I might mention here that I have found Zionism very deceitful. There is a double meaning in all the words Zionists use, and [Chaim] Weizmann himself said one time, "Let the British or anyone else talk about Zionism and they can use our terminology, but we know what the meaning of it is. It has one meaning to us, one meaning to the Gentiles." They've always had this double-entendre in everything that they have done. Whenever they use words you have to try to find out what is the context in which they are using these words.'
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Reply #165 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:30pm
 
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freediver wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 5:47pm:
More freedom than in any other middle eastern country.


Which middle eastern countries subject their citizens to widespread discrimination, including in terms of citizenship, housing, education and health care, the way Israel does to its non-Jewish population?




Iran and Saudi Arabia for starters, under Islamic apartheid non muslims don't have rights compared to muslims.

We could look at Pakistan as well stuff all rights there for minorities Pakistan was crated around the same time as Israel under similar circumstances.


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Which middle eastern countries subject their citizens to widespread discrimination


Duh, all of them. Except Israel.

The apologists tell us how wonderfully progressive it is for the Saudis to let women drive.
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Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:10pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:57pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 12:31pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 2:51am:
freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:17pm:
You do not know what slavery is.


Slaves have no freedom.

What freedoms do the Palestinians have?





Israel's Declaration of Independence called for the establishment of a Jewish state with equality of social and political rights, irrespective of religion, race, or sex.[206]

The rights of citizens are guaranteed by a set of basic laws (Israel does not have a written constitution).[207] Although this set of laws does not explicitly include the term "right to equality", the Israeli Supreme Court has consistently interpreted "Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty"[208] and "Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation (1994)"[209] as guaranteeing equal rights for all Israeli citizens.[210]

The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Arab Israelis are citizens of Israel with equal rights" and states that "The only legal distinction between Arab and Jewish citizens is not one of rights, but rather of civic duty. Since Israel's establishment, Arab citizens have been exempted from compulsory service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF)."[211] Druze and Circassians are drafted into the Israeli army, while other Arabs may serve voluntarily; however, only a very small number of Arabs choose to volunteer for the Israeli army[212]).



What part of,

although their rights to political participation and representation are recognized by Israeli and international law, in practice they face widespread discrimination, including in terms of citizenship, housing, education and health care

do you not understand?


Hams is the government in Gaza they're Islamist, What right s if any do christians have in Gaza under Islamic apartheid?


How many are actually there?

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Islamic apartheid is quite common look at Saudi Arabia, Iran,
Pakistan the Taliban in Afghanistan or Al Shaabab in Somalia or even Boko Haram in Nigeria and tell us what rights if any minorities have in any of those countries.


Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nigeria etc are not middle eastern nations so that's another discussion.

The fact remains: non-Jews in Israel are discriminated against in all walks of life.
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Those are the facts. How can you call that not rational?


Because of what you said. It is irrational, emotional hyperbole to argue that a country is not democratic because you disagree with who the citizens vote for. It is your argument that is essentially undemocratic.

Basically, you don't know what democracy is. Nor do you appear to care. You mince your words like a drugged up hippy.
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Which middle eastern countries subject their citizens to widespread discrimination


Duh, all of them.


Look at Iran:

(New York Jewish Week via JTA) — Contrary to a commonly held belief, Jews living in Iran find it easier to practice their religion today than they did prior to the Islamic Revolution of 1979, according to a longtime leader of the Jewish community in Tehran.

https://www.jta.org/2021/03/05/global/peaceful-existence-jews-in-iran-freely-obs...

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Except Israel.


No, see above from amnesty.org and others.

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The apologists tell us how wonderfully progressive it is for the Saudis to let women drive


Does the Saudi govt. deny rights of citizenship, housing, healthcare  etc to its citizens the way Israel does?
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freediver wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:35pm:
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Those are the facts. How can you call that not rational?


Because of what you said. It is irrational, emotional hyperbole to argue that a country is not democratic because you disagree with who the citizens vote for. It is your argument that is essentially undemocratic.

Basically, you don't know what democracy is. Nor do you appear to care. You mince your words like a drugged up hippy.


You were using the word democracy the way we in the West understand it, i.e. separation of state and religion.

Separation of state and religion does not exist in Israel therefore it cannot be called a liberal democracy like you called it.
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Does the Saudi govt. deny rights of citizenship, housing, healthcare  etc to its citizens the way Israel does?
Saudi Arabia routinely executes rape victims and people suspected of witchcraft. Criticising the Government in any form will land them a hefty jail term. They also cut the clits out of their female children and have a legal system which makes women the property of men.  It is a country which has one of the worst record of human rights abuses on the planet, they kidnapped an unsympathetic journalist and dismembered him while he was alive for criticising the Saudi regime.
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wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:57pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 12:31pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 2:51am:
freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:17pm:
You do not know what slavery is.


Slaves have no freedom.

What freedoms do the Palestinians have?





Israel's Declaration of Independence called for the establishment of a Jewish state with equality of social and political rights, irrespective of religion, race, or sex.[206]

The rights of citizens are guaranteed by a set of basic laws (Israel does not have a written constitution).[207] Although this set of laws does not explicitly include the term "right to equality", the Israeli Supreme Court has consistently interpreted "Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty"[208] and "Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation (1994)"[209] as guaranteeing equal rights for all Israeli citizens.[210]

The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Arab Israelis are citizens of Israel with equal rights" and states that "The only legal distinction between Arab and Jewish citizens is not one of rights, but rather of civic duty. Since Israel's establishment, Arab citizens have been exempted from compulsory service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF)."[211] Druze and Circassians are drafted into the Israeli army, while other Arabs may serve voluntarily; however, only a very small number of Arabs choose to volunteer for the Israeli army[212]).



What part of,

although their rights to political participation and representation are recognized by Israeli and international law, in practice they face widespread discrimination, including in terms of citizenship, housing, education and health care

do you not understand?



The bit where they are lobbing rockets at Israeli civilians.

You would be an idiot if you were not cautious about a demographic in your midsts. If anything, the Israelis are far too nice and accommodating. Hamas isn't giving Israelis any warnings about their rocket attacks. Israel warns the Pallos before hitting BACK because they know that the duplicitous, cowardly muslim jihadi fckheads are hiding among civilians.

Barbarian jihadi fcckheads versus humane Jews. You are with the fcckheads, I am with Israel.






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wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:46pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:35pm:
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Those are the facts. How can you call that not rational?


Because of what you said. It is irrational, emotional hyperbole to argue that a country is not democratic because you disagree with who the citizens vote for. It is your argument that is essentially undemocratic.

Basically, you don't know what democracy is. Nor do you appear to care. You mince your words like a drugged up hippy.


You were using the word democracy the way we in the West understand it, i.e. separation of state and religion.

Separation of state and religion does not exist in Israel therefore it cannot be called a liberal democracy like you called it.

BS.  Israel does not have a state religion.

What's the religion of an atheist Jew? Arab? Japanese? Aborigine? Red Indian?  Persian? Maori?



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Reply #174 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 10:06pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:34pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:10pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:57pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 12:31pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 2:51am:
freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:17pm:
You do not know what slavery is.


Slaves have no freedom.

What freedoms do the Palestinians have?





Israel's Declaration of Independence called for the establishment of a Jewish state with equality of social and political rights, irrespective of religion, race, or sex.[206]

The rights of citizens are guaranteed by a set of basic laws (Israel does not have a written constitution).[207] Although this set of laws does not explicitly include the term "right to equality", the Israeli Supreme Court has consistently interpreted "Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty"[208] and "Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation (1994)"[209] as guaranteeing equal rights for all Israeli citizens.[210]

The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Arab Israelis are citizens of Israel with equal rights" and states that "The only legal distinction between Arab and Jewish citizens is not one of rights, but rather of civic duty. Since Israel's establishment, Arab citizens have been exempted from compulsory service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF)."[211] Druze and Circassians are drafted into the Israeli army, while other Arabs may serve voluntarily; however, only a very small number of Arabs choose to volunteer for the Israeli army[212]).



What part of,

although their rights to political participation and representation are recognized by Israeli and international law, in practice they face widespread discrimination, including in terms of citizenship, housing, education and health care

do you not understand?


Hams is the government in Gaza they're Islamist, What right s if any do christians have in Gaza under Islamic apartheid?


How many are actually there?

Quote:
Islamic apartheid is quite common look at Saudi Arabia, Iran,
Pakistan the Taliban in Afghanistan or Al Shaabab in Somalia or even Boko Haram in Nigeria and tell us what rights if any minorities have in any of those countries.


Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nigeria etc are not middle eastern nations so that's another discussion.

The fact remains: non-Jews in Israel are discriminated against in all walks of life.


There are quite a few christians in Palestine which is under sharia law which is Islamic apartheid for non muslims.

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Basic Law

The Basic Law is based loosely on Shari'a:

According to Article 4:

Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Respect and sanctity of all other heavenly religions shall be maintained.
The principles of Islamic Shari'a shall be the main source of legislation.
Arabic shall be the official language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_law


Non muslims be it christians or atheists live under Islamic apartheid in Palestine.

Those who hate the jews are rather silent about non muslims in Palestine who live under Islamic apartheid.
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Saudi Arabia routinely executes rape victims and people suspected of witchcraft. Criticising the Government in any form will land them a hefty jail term. They also cut the clits out of their female children


AFAIK, FGM is not condoned anywhere in the Koran so the practice cannot be considered Islamist. It's a sub-Saharan practice.

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and have a legal system which makes women the property of men.
 

How is that any different to the way women are treated under orthodox Judaism?

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It is a country which has one of the worst record of human rights abuses on the planet


Not as bad as Israel's record.
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Reply #176 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 10:11pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 10:06pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:34pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:10pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:57pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 12:31pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 2:51am:
freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:17pm:
You do not know what slavery is.


Slaves have no freedom.

What freedoms do the Palestinians have?





Israel's Declaration of Independence called for the establishment of a Jewish state with equality of social and political rights, irrespective of religion, race, or sex.[206]

The rights of citizens are guaranteed by a set of basic laws (Israel does not have a written constitution).[207] Although this set of laws does not explicitly include the term "right to equality", the Israeli Supreme Court has consistently interpreted "Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty"[208] and "Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation (1994)"[209] as guaranteeing equal rights for all Israeli citizens.[210]

The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Arab Israelis are citizens of Israel with equal rights" and states that "The only legal distinction between Arab and Jewish citizens is not one of rights, but rather of civic duty. Since Israel's establishment, Arab citizens have been exempted from compulsory service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF)."[211] Druze and Circassians are drafted into the Israeli army, while other Arabs may serve voluntarily; however, only a very small number of Arabs choose to volunteer for the Israeli army[212]).



What part of,

although their rights to political participation and representation are recognized by Israeli and international law, in practice they face widespread discrimination, including in terms of citizenship, housing, education and health care

do you not understand?


Hams is the government in Gaza they're Islamist, What right s if any do christians have in Gaza under Islamic apartheid?


How many are actually there?

Quote:
Islamic apartheid is quite common look at Saudi Arabia, Iran,
Pakistan the Taliban in Afghanistan or Al Shaabab in Somalia or even Boko Haram in Nigeria and tell us what rights if any minorities have in any of those countries.


Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nigeria etc are not middle eastern nations so that's another discussion.

The fact remains: non-Jews in Israel are discriminated against in all walks of life.


There are quite a few christians in Palestine which is under sharia law which is Islamic apartheid for non muslims.

Quote:
Basic Law

The Basic Law is based loosely on Shari'a:

According to Article 4:

Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Respect and sanctity of all other heavenly religions shall be maintained.
The principles of Islamic Shari'a shall be the main source of legislation.
Arabic shall be the official language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_law


Non muslims be it christians or atheists live under Islamic apartheid in Palestine.

Those who hate the jews are rather silent about non muslims in Palestine who live under Islamic apartheid.


Palestine’s Christian population is dwindling at an alarming rate. The world’s most ancient Christian community is moving elsewhere. And the reason for this is Israel.

[...]

The correlation between the shrinking Christian population in Palestine, and the Israeli occupation and apartheid should be unmistakable, as it is obvious to Palestine’s Christian and Muslim population alike.

A study conducted by Dar al-Kalima University in the West Bank town of Beit Jala and published in December 2017, interviewed nearly 1,000 Palestinians, half of them Christian and the other half Muslim. One of the main goals of the research was to understand the reason behind the depleting Christian population in Palestine.

The study concluded that “the pressure of Israeli occupation, ongoing constraints, discriminatory policies, arbitrary arrests, confiscation of lands added to the general sense of hopelessness among Palestinian Christians,” who are finding themselves in “a despairing situation where they can no longer perceive a future for their offspring or for themselves”.

Unfounded claims that Palestinian Christians are leaving because of religious tensions between them and their Muslim brethren are, therefore, irrelevant.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/10/31/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestinian-chri...
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Reply #177 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 10:14pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 10:06pm:
rhino wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:53pm:
Saudi Arabia routinely executes rape victims and people suspected of witchcraft. Criticising the Government in any form will land them a hefty jail term. They also cut the clits out of their female children


AFAIK, FGM is not condoned anywhere in the Koran so the practice cannot be considered Islamist. It's a sub-Saharan practice.
Is it state condoned in Israel as in Saudi?

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and have a legal system which makes women the property of men.
 
Quote:
How is that any different to the way women are treated under orthodox Judaism?
you have a lot to learn.

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It is a country which has one of the worst record of human rights abuses on the planet

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Only an idiot would claim that.
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Reply #178 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 10:23pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 10:06pm:
rhino wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:53pm:
Saudi Arabia routinely executes rape victims and people suspected of witchcraft. Criticising the Government in any form will land them a hefty jail term. They also cut the clits out of their female children


AFAIK, FGM is not condoned anywhere in the Koran so the practice cannot be considered Islamist. It's a sub-Saharan practice.


FGM is prescribed in Islam you're showing your ignorance here.

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Circumcision of girls and some doctors’ criticism thereof

Question
Nowadays we hear that many doctors denounce the circumcision of girls, and say that it harms them physically and psychologically, and that circumcision is an inherited custom that has no basis is Islam .

Answer
Praise be to Allah.

Firstly:

Circumcision is not an inherited custom as some people claim, rather it is prescribed in Islam and the scholars are unanimously agreed that it is prescribed. Not a single Muslim scholar – as far as we know – has said that circumcision is not prescribed.

Their evidence is to be found in the saheeh ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), which prove that it is prescribed, for example:



The hadeeth narrated by al-Bukhaari (5889) and Muslim (257) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him), that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "The fitrah is five things – or five things are part of the fitrah – circumcision, shaving the pubes, cutting the nails, plucking the armpit hairs, and trimming the moustache."

This hadeeth includes circumcision of both males and females.

Muslim (349) narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When a man sits between the four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the two circumcised parts meet, then ghusl is obligatory.”

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) mentioned the two circumcised parts, i.e., the circumcised part of the husband and the circumcised part of the wife, which indicates that a woman may be circumcised just like a man.

More here- https://islamqa.info/en/answers/60314/circumcision-of-girls-and-some-doctors-cri...



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Reply #179 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 10:31pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 10:11pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 10:06pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:34pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:10pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 8:57pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 12:31pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 2:51am:
freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:17pm:
You do not know what slavery is.


Slaves have no freedom.

What freedoms do the Palestinians have?





Israel's Declaration of Independence called for the establishment of a Jewish state with equality of social and political rights, irrespective of religion, race, or sex.[206]

The rights of citizens are guaranteed by a set of basic laws (Israel does not have a written constitution).[207] Although this set of laws does not explicitly include the term "right to equality", the Israeli Supreme Court has consistently interpreted "Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty"[208] and "Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation (1994)"[209] as guaranteeing equal rights for all Israeli citizens.[210]

The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Arab Israelis are citizens of Israel with equal rights" and states that "The only legal distinction between Arab and Jewish citizens is not one of rights, but rather of civic duty. Since Israel's establishment, Arab citizens have been exempted from compulsory service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF)."[211] Druze and Circassians are drafted into the Israeli army, while other Arabs may serve voluntarily; however, only a very small number of Arabs choose to volunteer for the Israeli army[212]).



What part of,

although their rights to political participation and representation are recognized by Israeli and international law, in practice they face widespread discrimination, including in terms of citizenship, housing, education and health care

do you not understand?


Hams is the government in Gaza they're Islamist, What right s if any do christians have in Gaza under Islamic apartheid?


How many are actually there?

Quote:
Islamic apartheid is quite common look at Saudi Arabia, Iran,
Pakistan the Taliban in Afghanistan or Al Shaabab in Somalia or even Boko Haram in Nigeria and tell us what rights if any minorities have in any of those countries.


Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nigeria etc are not middle eastern nations so that's another discussion.

The fact remains: non-Jews in Israel are discriminated against in all walks of life.


There are quite a few christians in Palestine which is under sharia law which is Islamic apartheid for non muslims.

Quote:
Basic Law

The Basic Law is based loosely on Shari'a:

According to Article 4:

Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Respect and sanctity of all other heavenly religions shall be maintained.
The principles of Islamic Shari'a shall be the main source of legislation.
Arabic shall be the official language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_law


Non muslims be it christians or atheists live under Islamic apartheid in Palestine.

Those who hate the jews are rather silent about non muslims in Palestine who live under Islamic apartheid.


Palestine’s Christian population is dwindling at an alarming rate. The world’s most ancient Christian community is moving elsewhere. And the reason for this is Israel.

[...]

Unfounded claims that Palestinian Christians are leaving because of religious tensions between them and their Muslim brethren are, therefore, irrelevant.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/10/31/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestinian-chri...


Got anything better than an article from a muslim blaming the jews for everything while sidestepping the fact christians and atheists live under Islamic apartheid in Palestine which everyone knows is under the principles of sharia law for legislation?

The christians would be much better off under Israeli rule than any type of sharia law.
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BS.  Israel does not have a state religion.


They can claim that all they want. The reality is different.


Before the advent of the modern state, Jewish communities were mostly ruled by rabbis who employed arbitrary and cruel methods as bad as those employed by totalitarian regimes. The dearest wish of the current Jewish fundamentalists in Israel is to restore this state of affairs.

In Rami Rosen's November 15, 1996 Haaretz Magazine article, titled "History of a Denial," Rosen interviewed several distinguished historians. He relied primarily upon the views of Professor Yisrael Bartal, the head of the department of Jewish history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Bartal began his statement:

Zionism has described the diaspora Jews as weak
people who desire peace and abhor every form of
violence. It is astonishing to discover that orthodox
Jews are also providing similar descriptions. They
describe past Jewish society as one not interested in
anything other than the Halacha and the fulfillment of
the commandments. The entire Jewish literature
produced in eastern Europe, however, teaches us
that the reverse is true. Even in the nineteenth
century the descriptions of how Jews lived are filled
with violent battles that often took place in the
synagogues, of Jews beating other Jews in the
streets or spitting on them, of the frequent cases of
pulling out of beards and of numbers of murders.

A check of main facts of the [Jewish] historiography
of the last 1500 years shows that the picture is
different from the one previously shown to us. It
includes massacres of Christians [by Jews]; mock
repetitions of the crucifixion of Jesus that usually
took place on Purim; cruel murders within the family;
liquidation of informers, often done for religious
reasons by secret rabbinical courts, which issued a
sentence of "pursuer" and appointed secret
executioners; assassinations of adulterous women in
synagogues and/or the cutting of their [the women's]
noses by command of the rabbis.

Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel, by Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky

Quote:
What's the religion of an atheist Jew?


https://www.haaretz.com/1.4968724
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Unfounded claims that Palestinian Christians are leaving because of religious tensions between them and their Muslim brethren are, therefore, irrelevant.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/10/31/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestinian-chri...

Your source

Ramzy Baroud
Ramzy Baroud is a journalist and the Editor of The Palestine Chronicle. He is the author of five books. His latest is “These Chains Will Be Broken: Palestinian Stories of Struggle and Defiance in Israeli Prisons” (Clarity Press, Atlanta). Dr. Baroud is a Non-resident Senior Research Fellow at the Center for Islam and Global Affairs (CIGA), Istanbul Zaim University (IZU). His website is www.ramzybaroud.net
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Frank wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 10:04pm:
BS.  Israel does not have a state religion.


They can claim that all they want. The reality is different.


Before the advent of the modern state, Jewish communities were mostly ruled by rabbis who employed arbitrary and cruel methods as bad as those employed by totalitarian regimes. The dearest wish of the current Jewish fundamentalists in Israel is to restore this state of affairs.

In Rami Rosen's November 15, 1996 Haaretz Magazine article, titled "History of a Denial," Rosen interviewed several distinguished historians. He relied primarily upon the views of Professor Yisrael Bartal, the head of the department of Jewish history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Bartal began his statement:

Zionism has described the diaspora Jews as weak
people who desire peace and abhor every form of
violence. It is astonishing to discover that orthodox
Jews are also providing similar descriptions. They
describe past Jewish society as one not interested in
anything other than the Halacha and the fulfillment of
the commandments. The entire Jewish literature
produced in eastern Europe, however, teaches us
that the reverse is true. Even in the nineteenth
century the descriptions of how Jews lived are filled
with violent battles that often took place in the
synagogues, of Jews beating other Jews in the
streets or spitting on them, of the frequent cases of
pulling out of beards and of numbers of murders.

A check of main facts of the [Jewish] historiography
of the last 1500 years shows that the picture is
different from the one previously shown to us. It
includes massacres of Christians [by Jews]; mock
repetitions of the crucifixion of Jesus that usually
took place on Purim; cruel murders within the family;
liquidation of informers, often done for religious
reasons by secret rabbinical courts, which issued a
sentence of "pursuer" and appointed secret
executioners; assassinations of adulterous women in
synagogues and/or the cutting of their [the women's]
noses by command of the rabbis.

Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel, by Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky

Quote:
What's the religion of an atheist Jew?


https://www.haaretz.com/1.4968724

Gideon Levy (Hebrew: גדעון לוי‎; born 2 June 1953) is an Israeli journalist and author. Levy writes opinion pieces and a weekly column for the newspaper Haaretz that often focus on the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories. Levy has won prizes for his articles on human rights in the Israeli-occupied territories. His critics characterize him as left-wing[1] and accuse him of being a propagandist for Hamas.
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The christians would be much better off under Israeli rule than any type of sharia law.


You might like that to say that to these Christians:

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them

https://www.religionnewsblog.com/19900/israel-2
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you have a lot to learn.


You obviously don't know how women are treated in orthodox Judaism.

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No country is in breach of more UN resolutions than Israel.

Name one Muslim country that keeps 2 million human beings in a sealed off stretch of land in prison like conditions (Gaza) without proper access to water, sanitation etc and has done so for decades.
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Circumcision of girls and some doctors’ criticism thereof

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Nowadays we hear that many doctors denounce the circumcision of girls, and say that it harms them physically and psychologically, and that circumcision is an inherited custom that has no basis is Islam .

Answer
Praise be to Allah.

Firstly:

Circumcision is not an inherited custom as some people claim, rather it is prescribed in Islam and the scholars are unanimously agreed that it is prescribed. Not a single Muslim scholar – as far as we know – has said that circumcision is not prescribed.

Their evidence is to be found in the saheeh ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), which prove that it is prescribed, for example:



The hadeeth narrated by al-Bukhaari (5889) and Muslim (257) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him), that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "The fitrah is five things – or five things are part of the fitrah – circumcision, shaving the pubes, cutting the nails, plucking the armpit hairs, and trimming the moustache."

This hadeeth includes circumcision of both males and females.

Muslim (349) narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When a man sits between the four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the two circumcised parts meet, then ghusl is obligatory.”

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) mentioned the two circumcised parts, i.e., the circumcised part of the husband and the circumcised part of the wife, which indicates that a woman may be circumcised just like a man.


And I can show many other places where Muslims have condemned it.
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wombatwoody wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 1:37am:
Name one Muslim country that keeps 2 million human beings in a sealed off stretch of land in prison like conditions (Gaza) without proper access to water, sanitation etc and has done so for decades.

Well, there's the oppression of the Kurds by Sunni and Shi'ite Muslim countries. They were gassed under the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein.

Then there's what the Sunnis would like to do to the Shi'ites and vice-versa.

Muslim Pakistan is infested with incidents of what they do to those Muslim sects the Muslim Pakistani army doesn't like.

There's the Taliban in Afghanistan and the persecution of the Muslim Hazaras by Muslim Pashtuns there.

And etc... etc... etc...

You don't seriously think Islam is united and monolithic... Or do you?
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Sectarian disputes are probably as old as religion itself. Then things settle down and everybody gets on with their lives.

But the brutal Israeli oppression of Palestinians has been going on for decades and decades.

And it will never stop as long as the religious fanatics control Israel.
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wombatwoody wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 2:20am:
Sectarian disputes are probably as old as religion itself. Then things settle down and everybody gets on with their lives.

But the brutal Israeli oppression of Palestinians has been going on for decades and decades.

And it will never stop as long as the religious fanatics control Israel.

The Sunni / Shiite animosity began soon after Mohammed's death in 632.

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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 8:33am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 2:20am:
Sectarian disputes are probably as old as religion itself. Then things settle down and everybody gets on with their lives.

But the brutal Israeli oppression of Palestinians has been going on for decades and decades.

And it will never stop as long as the religious fanatics control Israel.

The Sunni / Shiite animosity began soon after Mohammed's death in 632.



How old were you at the time?
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wombatwoody wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 1:37am:
rhino wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 10:14pm:
you have a lot to learn.


You obviously don't know how women are treated in orthodox Judaism.
try and focus. We are not comparing religious sects  to state law.

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Only an idiot would claim that.


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No country is in breach of more UN resolutions than Israel.

Name one Muslim country that keeps 2 million human beings in a sealed off stretch of land in prison like conditions (Gaza) without proper access to water, sanitation etc and has done so for decades.

Focus, human rights abuses are what we are comparing, not UN resolutions. Despite which, your claim here is a lie, Gaza does have access to those things. Stop the lies.
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Seriously, what sort of completely ignorant fool compares the Saudi regime with Israel?
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 8:54am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 8:33am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 2:20am:
Sectarian disputes are probably as old as religion itself. Then things settle down and everybody gets on with their lives.

But the brutal Israeli oppression of Palestinians has been going on for decades and decades.

And it will never stop as long as the religious fanatics control Israel.

The Sunni / Shiite animosity began soon after Mohammed's death in 632.



How old were you at the time?



You always switch to idiotic non-sequiturs when your balls are nailed to the floor by reasoning you are not up to and cannot respond to in any other way.
I am sure I am not the only one noticing this about you  - nor that you are not the only one who responds to reasoning with the balls-nailed-to-the-floor squirm.

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wombatwoody wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 2:20am:
Sectarian disputes are probably as old as religion itself. Then things settle down and everybody gets on with their lives.

But the brutal Israeli oppression of Palestinians has been going on for decades and decades.

And it will never stop as long as the religious fanatics control Israel.

 

Because Hamas, Hezollah, Iran have nuffi' do fo wiv Islamic fanaticism.  Your solution is to allow Israel to be swamped by Muslim reconquista and to hell with the Jews. A very Islamic position.


I agree, it's unfortunate that Israel's last occupiers were Muslims. But I also think you would be unhappy about Israel existing anywhere. Every part of the Earth has been occupied by someone since the Romans destroyed the last kingdom of Israel and scattered the Jews. That's what the UN resolution creating Israel recognised - if not there, where?

Jordan was the designated Arab country and the West Bank would still be under their occupation and Gaza under Egypt if they didn't attack Israel AGAIN in 1967 - and didn't lose AGAIN. They were not happy with an even smaller Israel, they wanted to wipe it out.  That's what Islam demands of them (there is zero other reason for not leaving Israel alone) and that's  what Hames, Hezbollah and Iran are still working on - and you are on their side.

Well, nuts to that.

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rhino wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 10:42am:
We are not comparing religious sects  to state law.


In Israel Jewish law overrides secular law.

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your claim here is a lie, Gaza does have access to those things. Stop the lies.


Not a lie at all. What planet are you on?

This is from a UNICEF worker:

In Gaza, there is an acute water crisis. Over 90 percent of households have a tap where clean water once flowed, but today the water is no longer safe to drink. In the last 15 years, the situation in Gaza has gone from bad to worse: only one in 10 households now has direct access to safe water.

https://blogs.unicef.org/blog/searching-clean-water-gaza/

Access to safe drinking water and adequate sanitation facilities is a basic human right, but just one in ten people have direct access to safe water in the Gaza Strip.
https://www.unicef.org/sop/what-we-do/wash-water-sanitation-and-hygiene

Failing Gaza: undrinkable water, no access to toilets and little hope on the horizon
https://www.oxfam.org/en/failing-gaza-undrinkable-water-no-access-toilets-and-li...





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Hamas's real position is wickedly misrepresented by Israel and all who are unwilling to recognise it, the Zionist state, as the prime obstacle to peace. As I have said and written on many occasions, if tomorrow Israel said and meant that it was ready for negotiations on the basis of a genuine two-state solution – i.e. one that would see Israel back behind its borders as they were on the eve of the 1967 war with Jerusalem, preferably as an open city, the capital of two states – Hamas's leaders would say, "Let's do the business". And they would say that and mean it because they are not stupid. They know that a genuine and viable two-state solution is still what the vast majority of Palestinians are prepared to settle for. (But for how much longer that will remain the case is a good question). If you would care to do some on-line searching you'll find statements from Hamas leaders in Gaza and Damascus clearly indicating that they would settle for a genuine two-state solution.

There is one and only one way to stop the rockets and that is for Israel to become serious about good faith negotiations to end its occupation in exchange for a formal, full and final peace.

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freediver wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 9:35pm:
Basically, you don't know what democracy is


Additionly, power centres (such as a 'state') are only legitimate if they are accepted by the subjects on which they are imposing. If the Israeli government effectively controls what happens in the Palestinian Territories despite the fact that the Palestinians have no influence over it then it cannot claim that it is a democratic government.

The Israeli government represents 'democracy' for Israelis and brutal dictatorship for Palestinians. In this sense, it is a mechanism used by Israelis to oppress Palestinians.

This shows that the Israeli government is not a democracy. Demoracies are government where subjects exert control over their government. Palestinians are treated as subjects but exert no control.
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The Israeli government represents 'democracy' for Israelis


So after all that, it turns out that you agree with me.

Do you also agree that both Israeli Jews and Muslims have greater freedom than in any other middle eastern country, despite the constant threat of war?
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Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 11:24am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 8:54am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 8:33am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 2:20am:
Sectarian disputes are probably as old as religion itself. Then things settle down and everybody gets on with their lives.

But the brutal Israeli oppression of Palestinians has been going on for decades and decades.

And it will never stop as long as the religious fanatics control Israel.

The Sunni / Shiite animosity began soon after Mohammed's death in 632.



How old were you at the time?



You always switch to idiotic non-sequiturs when your balls are nailed to the floor by reasoning you are not up to and cannot respond to in any other way.
I am sure I am not the only one noticing this about you  - nor that you are not the only one who responds to reasoning with the balls-nailed-to-the-floor squirm.



He does have a point, Laugh. Poor old Sore End has his sphincter in a vice.

Sir Reggie got him a good one, you see. The old boy couldn't get his safe word out.

Choose one that doesn't start with a W next time, dear boy. You people can't pronounce it.

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Aussie, do you think 100 million dead Jews would be an acceptable price to pay for your scheme to wipe Israel off the map of the middle east?
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freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:13pm:
Aussie, do you think 100 million dead Jews would be an acceptable price to pay for your scheme to wipe Israel off the map of the middle east?


You are confused Effendi.  Wrong thread?
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You want to make this thread about your hatred as well. Fine by me.

Do you think that 100 million dead Jews would be an acceptable price to pay for your scheme to wipe Israel off the map of the middle east?
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freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 9:19pm:
You want to make this thread about your hatred as well. Fine by me.

Do you think that 100 million dead Jews would be an acceptable price to pay for your scheme to wipe Israel off the map of the middle east?


The population of Israel just rose by a thousand percent, leftards.

How many Boongs in Ayer's Rock do you want to kill, Effende?

Don't answer that.
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freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 9:19pm:
You want to make this thread about your hatred as well. Fine by me.

Do you think that 100 million dead Jews would be an acceptable price to pay for your scheme to wipe Israel off the map of the middle east?


If you want the world's Jewish population to grow to 100+ million from the present ~15 million you should spend less time politicking and propagandizing on Ozpolitic and more time procreating.

It will take you ~200 years at a growth rate of around 1% and very much longer at the current rate of 0.63%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country

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From 2005 to 2018, the world's Jewish population grew on average 0.63% annually (while world population grew 1.1% annually in the same period).[2] This increase primarily reflected the rapid growth of Haredi and some Orthodox sectors, who are becoming a growing proportion of Jews.[11] 


The biggest fear Israel has is the growth of Haredi and some Orthodox sectors which will dilute the economy and raise costs for the non-orthodox Jews.
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freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:17pm:
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The Israeli government represents 'democracy' for Israelis


So after all that, it turns out that you agree with me.


I put that in inverted commas, didn't you notice? What do you think that means?

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Muslims have greater freedom than in any other middle eastern country


Tell that to these people:

Al-Araqib is one of 35 unrecognized Bedouin villages in the Negev desert in southern Israel, which means Israel refuses to provide residents with connections to the national water and electricity grids, provide them with health and educational services, or any basic infrastructure. Over the years, the village has become a symbol of the struggle against dispossession of Bedouin from their land, and for state recognition of Bedouin villages in the Negev.

Despite being citizens of Israel that are supposed to enjoy equal rights, the Israeli government, the Israel Land Authority, and the Jewish National Fund have been waging a slow and methodical war of attrition against Bedouin residents of Al-Araqib in an effort to expel them and plant a forest atop their land.

https://www.972mag.com/this-bedouin-village-has-been-demolished-by-israel-120-ti...
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That ^^  will 'confuse' Effendi.  After all....the State of Israel is a beacon of democracy, the Light on the Hill.

He never replies when an inconvenient truth is pointed out.
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Aussie wrote on Jun 4th, 2021 at 5:42pm:
That ^^  will 'confuse' Effendi.  After all....the State of Israel is a beacon of democracy, the Light on the Hill.

He never replies when an inconvenient truth is pointed out.


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wombatwoody wrote on Jun 4th, 2021 at 5:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:17pm:
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The Israeli government represents 'democracy' for Israelis


So after all that, it turns out that you agree with me.


I put that in inverted commas, didn't you notice? What do you think that means?

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Muslims have greater freedom than in any other middle eastern country


Tell that to these people:

Al-Araqib is one of 35 unrecognized Bedouin villages in the Negev desert in southern Israel, which means Israel refuses to provide residents with connections to the national water and electricity grids, provide them with health and educational services, or any basic infrastructure. Over the years, the village has become a symbol of the struggle against dispossession of Bedouin from their land, and for state recognition of Bedouin villages in the Negev.

Despite being citizens of Israel that are supposed to enjoy equal rights, the Israeli government, the Israel Land Authority, and the Jewish National Fund have been waging a slow and methodical war of attrition against Bedouin residents of Al-Araqib in an effort to expel them and plant a forest atop their land.

https://www.972mag.com/this-bedouin-village-has-been-demolished-by-israel-120-ti...


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freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2021 at 6:39pm:
Are you agreeing with me or not?


He's calling you a liar FD

Why do you lie about everything?
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Aussie wrote on Jun 4th, 2021 at 5:42pm:
That ^^  will 'confuse' Effendi.  After all....the State of Israel is a beacon of democracy, the Light on the Hill.

He never replies when an inconvenient truth is pointed out.


Too right.
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"More than 4,300 rockets were fired at Israel....."





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"Hamas built more than 100 km of tunnels underneath the Gaza strip,
enabling it to move rockets around underground and coordinate mass barrages through centralized command and control. [IDF]"



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Understanding Israel's Destruction of Hamas' "Metro"


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In eleven days of fighting in mid-May, Israel used precision airstrikes to try to damage Hamas infrastructure in Gaza and handed the militant group a blow that it will take years to recover from.

The goal was not to target large numbers of Hamas low-level fighters, but rather its strategic underground tunnels and infrastructure that enable it to move around masses of rockets that it has used to target Israel. More than 4,300 rockets were fired at Israel and Israel's advanced Iron Dome air defense system intercepted most of the rocket threats to Israel's cities.

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https://www.meforum.org/62414/israel-destruction-of-hamas-metro-set-it-back



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Are we going to the Achmed's birthday party now Abdullah there's a good little terrorist?
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Yadda wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 10:32am:
Hamas built more than 100 km of tunnels underneath the Gaza strip,


Who is responsible for the creation of Hamas?

On 7 June, 2005, BBC radio news reported that British officials were to meet the Islamic organisation Hamas at 'low levels... mayors not implicated in the violence'. Most of the report was devoted not to the significance of the meeting (Hamas had agreed to be part of a Palestinian ceasefire) but to an Israeli government official repeatedly complaining about 'dealing with terrorists'. Not a single Palestinian was interviewed.

The report was an example of how secret history is kept secret, for no mention was made of the fact that the Israelis themselves had actually helped to set up and fund Hamas as part of a 'direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative', in the words of a former Middle East CIA official. This as well as and other evidence is in documents obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism.

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The Romans destroyed the Kingdom of Israel in 70 AD and renamed the conquered province Palestine. From then on to 1947, when Israel was declared, there was NO independent country there.


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wombatwoody wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 7:26pm:
Yadda wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 10:32am:
Hamas built more than 100 km of tunnels underneath the Gaza strip,


Who is responsible for the creation of Hamas?

On 7 June, 2005, BBC radio news reported that British officials were to meet the Islamic organisation Hamas at 'low levels... mayors not implicated in the violence'. Most of the report was devoted not to the significance of the meeting (Hamas had agreed to be part of a Palestinian ceasefire) but to an Israeli government official repeatedly complaining about 'dealing with terrorists'. Not a single Palestinian was interviewed.

The report was an example of how secret history is kept secret, for no mention was made of the fact that the Israelis themselves had actually helped to set up and fund Hamas as part of a 'direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative', in the words of a former Middle East CIA official. This as well as and other evidence is in documents obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism.

John Pilger, Freedom Next Time


HUGE jump there from  BBC (!) radio show to Israel funding Hamas.

And the jumper? John Pilger.  Ah.
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Bertie wrote on Jun 8th, 2021 at 11:05am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 7:26pm:
Yadda wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 10:32am:
Hamas built more than 100 km of tunnels underneath the Gaza strip,


Who is responsible for the creation of Hamas?

On 7 June, 2005, BBC radio news reported that British officials were to meet the Islamic organisation Hamas at 'low levels... mayors not implicated in the violence'. Most of the report was devoted not to the significance of the meeting (Hamas had agreed to be part of a Palestinian ceasefire) but to an Israeli government official repeatedly complaining about 'dealing with terrorists'. Not a single Palestinian was interviewed.

The report was an example of how secret history is kept secret, for no mention was made of the fact that the Israelis themselves had actually helped to set up and fund Hamas as part of a 'direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative', in the words of a former Middle East CIA official. This as well as and other evidence is in documents obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism.

John Pilger, Freedom Next Time


HUGE jump there from  BBC (!) radio show to Israel funding Hamas.

And the jumper? John Pilger.  Ah.


Still if the report is true, Israel stands condemned for its duplicitous behaviour...and the subsequent murder of children in Gaza. 
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thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 8th, 2021 at 9:28pm:

.....Israel stands condemned for its duplicitous behaviour...and the subsequent murder of children in Gaza.




"Israel....its duplicitous behaviour"



thegreatdivide,

IMO, it is people like yourself, who hate truth, and    willingly    spread misinformation.

How so ???

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WWW search....
the only way to liberate palestine is with jihad



thegreatdivide,

What is jihad ?

Go on,   .....define JIHAD, for us all.


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"We will only have peace with [the Arabs] when they love their children more than they hate us..."

- Golda Meir



thegreatdivide,

Who was Golda Meir ???


And    WHEN    did she say that ?

Go and look it up !



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they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine,
and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."




"Moderate" Palestinian Authority TV:      .....Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian...




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Reply #219 - Jun 8th, 2021 at 10:12pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 8th, 2021 at 9:28pm:
Bertie wrote on Jun 8th, 2021 at 11:05am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 7:26pm:
Yadda wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 10:32am:
Hamas built more than 100 km of tunnels underneath the Gaza strip,


Who is responsible for the creation of Hamas?

On 7 June, 2005, BBC radio news reported that British officials were to meet the Islamic organisation Hamas at 'low levels... mayors not implicated in the violence'. Most of the report was devoted not to the significance of the meeting (Hamas had agreed to be part of a Palestinian ceasefire) but to an Israeli government official repeatedly complaining about 'dealing with terrorists'. Not a single Palestinian was interviewed.

The report was an example of how secret history is kept secret, for no mention was made of the fact that the Israelis themselves had actually helped to set up and fund Hamas as part of a 'direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative', in the words of a former Middle East CIA official. This as well as and other evidence is in documents obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism.

John Pilger, Freedom Next Time


HUGE jump there from  BBC (!) radio show to Israel funding Hamas.

And the jumper? John Pilger.  Ah.


Still if the report is true, Israel stands condemned for its duplicitous behaviour...and the subsequent murder of children in Gaza. 



Who started firing rockets? Hamas.  Israel fights back - and idiots like you start blabbing about children.  You never say ANYTHYTHING, EVER about the opening salvos of Hamas rockets killing innocent Jewish children.

Why?

Because you are vile, dishonest.
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Yadda wrote on Jun 8th, 2021 at 10:00pm:
IMO, it is people like yourself, who hate truth, and    willingly    spread misinformation.

How so ???


I accept Pilger as an honest journalist. when he conveyed:

"the Israelis themselves had actually helped to set up and fund Hamas as part of a 'direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative', in the words of a former Middle East CIA official".

That is duplicitous behaviour on the part of Israel.

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Go on,   .....define JIHAD, for us all.


jihad is mentioned in the Koran: religious war on behalf of the One True God (Allah). 

Just like the genocide authorized by the biblical bronze-age 'God', and the "right" to the "Promised Land" is mentioned in the OT.....

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]"We will only have peace with [the Arabs] when they love their children more than they hate us..."[/color][/i][/size]
- Golda Meir


That old hag? Bullies in a position of strength will say those sorts of things. 

The problem was wide-spread anti-Semitism; there should have been no need to recreate Israel in Arab lands, but western guilt after the holocaust played a part.


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they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine,
and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."[/i][/color][/size]


Just shows the depths to which religious fundamentalists stoop, like the Jewish zealot who murdered his own peace-maker PM Rabin.

Your ideology is blinding you to to the faults on both sides, so much for your concerns re "truth". 






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Frank wrote on Jun 8th, 2021 at 10:12pm:
Who started firing rockets? Hamas.  Israel fights back - and idiots like you start blabbing about children.  You never say ANYTHYTHING, EVER about the opening salvos of Hamas rockets killing innocent Jewish children.

Why?

Because you are vile, dishonest. 


Frank, you are losing it, blinded by ideology.

Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

And just to let you know, we are all complicit in the deaths of children in war, because we allow the UNSC to continue to be crippled by the veto.
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thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?
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Reply #223 - Jun 9th, 2021 at 9:22pm
 
Bertie wrote on Jun 8th, 2021 at 11:05am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 7:26pm:
Yadda wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 10:32am:
Hamas built more than 100 km of tunnels underneath the Gaza strip,


Who is responsible for the creation of Hamas?

On 7 June, 2005, BBC radio news reported that British officials were to meet the Islamic organisation Hamas at 'low levels... mayors not implicated in the violence'. Most of the report was devoted not to the significance of the meeting (Hamas had agreed to be part of a Palestinian ceasefire) but to an Israeli government official repeatedly complaining about 'dealing with terrorists'. Not a single Palestinian was interviewed.

The report was an example of how secret history is kept secret, for no mention was made of the fact that the Israelis themselves had actually helped to set up and fund Hamas as part of a 'direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative', in the words of a former Middle East CIA official. This as well as and other evidence is in documents obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism.

John Pilger, Freedom Next Time


HUGE jump there from  BBC (!) radio show to Israel funding Hamas.


You missed, the Israelis themselves had actually helped to set up and fund Hamas as part of a 'direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative', in the words of a former Middle East CIA official.

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And the jumper? John Pilger.  Ah.


John Pilger: A BAFTA - British Academy of Film and Television Arts - award-winning documentary filmmaker.

He's won numerous award for his honest reporting.

Here's the source he used:

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...according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.

Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.

Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.


https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2002/06/18/Analysis-Hamas-history-tied-to-Israe...

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Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.


I have commented in other posts on the extent of Chinese sovereignty as recently as 1900, before China's  humiliation by Europeans. Tibet in 1950 was another materially backward culture formerly under Chinese sovereignty (in 1900).

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It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Buddhism itself was not offensive to modern Chinese Marxism, Tibet's  materially backward culture was.  The Dalai Lama himself accepts Chinese sovereignty, though the Chinese don't believe him...they are suspicious  because they see how democracy ideologues in collusion with the West behave in HK and Taiwan.

And yes it is about "ideology": 'Western values', 'freedom' hypocrisy, and individual rights delusions,  versus Marxist community-oriented outcomes.
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Reply #225 - Jun 10th, 2021 at 1:50pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 8th, 2021 at 10:12pm:
Who started firing rockets? Hamas.  Israel fights back - and idiots like you start blabbing about children.  You never say ANYTHYTHING, EVER about the opening salvos of Hamas rockets killing innocent Jewish children.

Why?

Because you are vile, dishonest. 


Frank, you are losing it, blinded by ideology.

Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

And just to let you know, we are all complicit in the deaths of children in war, because we allow the UNSC to continue to be crippled by the veto.



The Arabs should not have conquered the Eastern Roman Empire, North Africa, Iberia, Persia, the Hindu Kush, etc.

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Heard on radio today: RW Jewish ideologue Bennett (the new Israeli leader) say Palestine has been Jewish for 4000 years......"just read any Bible"....trouble is he forgot to say the OT canon (the Jewish Bible) ceases around 300BC, soon after Alexander's conquest of the ME.

Also heard  RW ideologue Netanyahu led anti-Rabin rallies during the PLO negotiations era, during which "death to Rabin" was a constant refrain, revealing the RW in all its ugliness.
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Frank wrote on Jun 10th, 2021 at 1:50pm:
The Arabs should not have conquered the Eastern Roman Empire, North Africa, Iberia, Persia, the Hindu Kush, etc.


Nor should David have taken Jerusalem from the Jebusites in 1100BC....

The point is we all have to live in the modern world, in which, since 1946 (and the beginning of MAD), the "acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible".

Israel missed out by 2 years......the occupation of the WB is illegal under international law, suck it up.
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Nice to know you are listening to the wireless.

Me too!!


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thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 15th, 2021 at 9:44am:
Frank wrote on Jun 10th, 2021 at 1:50pm:
The Arabs should not have conquered the Eastern Roman Empire, North Africa, Iberia, Persia, the Hindu Kush, etc.


Nor should David have taken Jerusalem from the Jebusites in 1100BC....

The point is we all have to live in the modern world, in which, since 1946 (and the beginning of MAD), the "acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible".

Israel missed out by 2 years......the occupation of the WB is illegal under international law, suck it up.

Jebusites, eh? Are you one? Do you know one?

The occupation of the WB is as legal as it was by Jordan before 1967.


Anyway. Israel is a real country. Palestine, the Islamic ummah are not. Muslims are really loud about conquering but really sore abour re-conquests. Hypocrisy.
They are sore about Spain, Israel, even Greece ( see Cyprus) and the Balkans. They want ALWAYS to turn time back. Very well, let's  turn it back to the year before Mohammed's first fit. No Islam. i


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Jebusites, eh? Are you one? Do you know one?

No, they were a Canaanite tribe subsumed into Israel by force c.1100BC, as was always the case with conquest of territory occupied by other people, UNTIL 1946....a point which you cannot grasp because of your ideological delusions.

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The occupation of the WB is as legal as it was by Jordan before 1967.


No, BOTH were illegal, though the UNSC was unable to intervene on behalf of international law, because the UNSC was rendered incapable of defending international law, because sovereignty of the individual ideologues forced the veto onto the UNSC (in 1946).


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Anyway. Israel is a real country.


which should only have been created if the UNSC was empowered to guarantee its security, and the security of Palestine. (Of course, the Arab world would not have accepted Israel's creation, but a properly constituted  UNSC could have ensured a Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem, and avoidance of the refugee calamity in 1947. 

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Palestine, the Islamic ummah are not (real countries)


Great ideology there; take part of a country by force, and then claim the pre-existing country does not exist.

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Muslims are really loud about conquering but really sore abour re-conquests. Hypocrisy.


You are both opposite sides of the same age-old might is right system.

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They are sore about Spain, Israel, even Greece ( see Cyprus) and the Balkans. They want ALWAYS to turn time back. Very well, let's  turn it back to the year before Mohammed's first fit. No Islam.


Like I said, 1946 (and the beginning of MAD in human history) is the change-over date to a new system, in which the only way to end MAD is the de-legitimization of war between nations.

Meanwhile  the occupation of the WB will always be deemed illegal under international law. Even Biden is still paying lip service to a two-state solution. i



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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


1946. Israel missed out  (....by a year....) on taking terrirory by force; the Qing dynasty conquered Tibet in the 17th century.




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Once Islam get's its French Messiah sacrifice.
All Moslems will no longer have an 'Empire' of military action and will wander like the Jews of old.

...while Israel will rise with its new Empire to super-power proportions and take more of the middle-east.

Italy will genocide the unarmed Moslems in their millions (Mafia/Vatican doing).
Only the new Empire of Israel will come to their aid and annihilate the Mafia/Vatican Italians for good.

...so you see, what you have now - is just a bowel motion.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


1946. Israel missed out  (....by a year....) on taking terrirory by force; the Qing dynasty conquered Tibet in the 17th century.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Er....China  was an existing state which absorbed surrounding  states into itself,  reaching its greatest extent in the Qing era, as was the norm before before 1946 when inclusive international law was proposed for the first  tiime.   

Israel ceased to exist as a state 2K years ago, until the UN proposed the partition of Palestine, in 1947

See the difference? Israel is attempting to take all Palestine by force - after 1946, which is illegal. See UN resolutions 181 and 242.

Whereas China is asserting its former soverignty over Tibet, HK, Taiwan, Xinjiang (but not outer Mongolia) a sovereignty which still existed in 1911.

....and no-one in the UN has claimed Chinese soveignty was illegal after 1949 ie there are no resolutions stating it.   









   


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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology...


It was about ideology, now it should be about international law.


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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Sadly for Israel, it was created after the UN proposed the partition of Palestine - with defined borders. 
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Er...the Chinese conquered Tibet 300 years ago, before such conquest was illegal; and after  the collapse of the Qing dynasty in 1912, the following applied  (wiki) ;

"The Provisional Constitution of the Republic of China adopted in 1912 specifically established frontier regions of the new republic, including Tibet, as integral parts of the state"

Israel of course ceased to exist 2000 years ago...until the partition of Palestine by the UN in 1947.  Spot the difference?
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Reply #241 - Oct 6th, 2023 at 10:34am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 5th, 2023 at 9:29pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Er...the Chinese conquered Tibet 300 years ago, before such conquest was illegal; and after  the collapse of the Qing dynasty in 1912, the following applied  (wiki) ;

"The Provisional Constitution of the Republic of China adopted in 1912 specifically established frontier regions of the new republic, including Tibet, as integral parts of the state"

Israel of course ceased to exist 2000 years ago...until the partition of Palestine by the UN in 1947.  Spot the difference?


Is this why the CCP stooges were carrying on recently with some gibberish about the Israeli constitution not defining the borders?
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Reply #242 - Oct 9th, 2023 at 1:39pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Yes, it's all about ideology, in the post 1945 era.

But before 1945, conquest of lands by force was considered as 'reality';  eg the British empire in India et al, and the Qing empire in east Asia.
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freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2023 at 10:34am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 5th, 2023 at 9:29pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Er...the Chinese conquered Tibet 300 years ago, before such conquest was illegal; and after  the collapse of the Qing dynasty in 1912, the following applied  (wiki) ;

"The Provisional Constitution of the Republic of China adopted in 1912 specifically established frontier regions of the new republic, including Tibet, as integral parts of the state"

Israel of course ceased to exist 2000 years ago...until the partition of Palestine by the UN in 1947.  Spot the difference?


Is this why the CCP stooges were carrying on recently with some gibberish about the Israeli constitution not defining the borders?


No.

Borders were defined by the dominant empire, before 1945. 

After 1945, "the conquest of territory by force is admissible" - except the UN, at this early stage of the development of international law, is still unable to defend its rulings re borders.
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thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 1:43pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2023 at 10:34am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 5th, 2023 at 9:29pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Er...the Chinese conquered Tibet 300 years ago, before such conquest was illegal; and after  the collapse of the Qing dynasty in 1912, the following applied  (wiki) ;

"The Provisional Constitution of the Republic of China adopted in 1912 specifically established frontier regions of the new republic, including Tibet, as integral parts of the state"

Israel of course ceased to exist 2000 years ago...until the partition of Palestine by the UN in 1947.  Spot the difference?


Is this why the CCP stooges were carrying on recently with some gibberish about the Israeli constitution not defining the borders?


No.

Borders were defined by the dominant empire, before 1945. 

After 1945, "the conquest of territory by force is admissible" - except the UN, at this early stage of the development of international law, is still unable to defend its rulings re borders.


Israel's borders were defined after 1945.
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Reply #246 - Oct 10th, 2023 at 2:02am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 5th, 2023 at 9:29pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Er...the Chinese conquered Tibet 300 years ago, before such conquest was illegal; and after  the collapse of the Qing dynasty in 1912, the following applied  (wiki) ;

"The Provisional Constitution of the Republic of China adopted in 1912 specifically established frontier regions of the new republic, including Tibet, as integral parts of the state"

Israel of course ceased to exist 2000 years ago...until the partition of Palestine by the UN in 1947.  Spot the difference?


No, dear. Such conquest was "illegal" in 1950, when Mao went in.

There goes your entire rules-based global order in one fell swoop.

If you claim to support that, you can't logically support this. The Chows did not colonise Tibet 300 years ago, they merely chucked out its ruler. Tibet was left intact until the CCP invaded.

If you continue to support the occupation of Tibet, a totally different culture, language and people to the Middle Kingdom, you can never claim the moral high ground.

I'm torn on Taiwan - there, I can see a rationale, even if I respect the right to self determination. But not Tibet. China has utterly decimated the place and the people. There is no justification, and you know it.
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freediver wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 3:23pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 1:43pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2023 at 10:34am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 5th, 2023 at 9:29pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Er...the Chinese conquered Tibet 300 years ago, before such conquest was illegal; and after  the collapse of the Qing dynasty in 1912, the following applied  (wiki) ;

"The Provisional Constitution of the Republic of China adopted in 1912 specifically established frontier regions of the new republic, including Tibet, as integral parts of the state"

Israel of course ceased to exist 2000 years ago...until the partition of Palestine by the UN in 1947.  Spot the difference?


Is this why the CCP stooges were carrying on recently with some gibberish about the Israeli constitution not defining the borders?


No.

Borders were defined by the dominant empire, before 1945. 

After 1945, "the conquest of territory by force is admissible" - except the UN, at this early stage of the development of international law, is still unable to defend its rulings re borders.


Israel's borders were defined after 1945.


So why is  Israel occupying territory not defined as Israel?
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Reply #248 - Oct 10th, 2023 at 12:50pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 2:02am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 5th, 2023 at 9:29pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Er...the Chinese conquered Tibet 300 years ago, before such conquest was illegal; and after  the collapse of the Qing dynasty in 1912, the following applied  (wiki) ;

"The Provisional Constitution of the Republic of China adopted in 1912 specifically established frontier regions of the new republic, including Tibet, as integral parts of the state"

Israel of course ceased to exist 2000 years ago...until the partition of Palestine by the UN in 1947.  Spot the difference?


No, dear. Such conquest was "illegal" in 1950, when Mao went in.

There goes your entire rules-based global order in one fell swoop.


There is no rules-based global order - which would require a UNSC without access to the veto power, to facilitate resolution of disputes between nations without resort to war. 

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If you claim to support that, you can't logically support this. The Chows did not colonise Tibet 300 years ago, they merely chucked out its ruler. Tibet was left intact until the CCP invaded.


"merely chucked out its ruler".....: 

(wiki)

"Tibet under Qing rule refers to the Qing dynasty's rule over Tibet from 1720 to 1912. The Qing rulers incorporated Tibet into the empire along with other Inner Asia territories, although the actual extent of the Qing dynasty's control over Tibet during this period has been the subject of political debate.

Subject to debate.....

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If you continue to support the occupation of Tibet, a totally different culture, language and people to the Middle Kingdom, you can never claim the moral high ground.

I'm torn on Taiwan - there, I can see a rationale, even if I respect the right to self determination. But not Tibet. China has utterly decimated the place and the people. There is no justification, and you know it.


Note the complications resulting from a change in the ideology of Chinese governance, in 1949, not recognized by the UN until 1971 (just before Nixon's visit to China) :

(wiki) 

"Three UN resolutions of 1959, 1961, and 1965 condemned human rights violation in Tibet. These resolutions were passed at a time when the PRC was not permitted to become a member and of course was not allowed to present its singular version of events in the region (however, the Republic of China on Taiwan, which the PRC also claims sovereignty over, was a member of the UN at the time, and it equally claimed sovereignty over Tibet and opposed Tibetan self-determination). Professor and sinologist A. Tom Grunfeld called the resolutions impractical and justified the PRC in ignoring them".
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Sorry I haven't been around. You see, I won a prize - a luxury Shock N Awe weekend retreat at the Al Mathaf Hotel resort on Gaza Beach.

https://www.facebook.com/mathaf.hotel/

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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


It's also about primitive survival and competitive instincts...the human condition, in fact.

It's time for effective international law, to defend universal well-being and security.
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Reply #252 - Nov 7th, 2023 at 10:51am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 9:32am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


It's also about primitive survival and competitive instincts...the human condition, in fact.

It's time for effective international law, to defend universal well-being and security. 



You are welcome to effectively stick the UN up yes Khyber, silly parrot.


The UN General Assembly adopted an Arab-drafted resolution today calling for a “humanitarian truce” in Gaza, after rejecting a Canadian amendment that would have condemned the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks by Hamas and demanded immediate release of hostages taken by Hamas.

Israel’s U.N. Ambassador Gilad Erdan called it “a day that will go down in infamy.”

The resolution was adopted by a vote of 120 to 14 with 45 abstentions.

Outrageously, the resolution failed to condemn Hamas for its October 7th massacre of 1400 Israelis, or for its abduction of more than 200 Israelis including children and babies, or even to mention the word Hamas.

The resolution also failed to recognize Israel’s right to defend itself and its citizens against terrorism.



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Israel will win. The West is over
Support for Hamas originates in the heart of darkness of Western consciousness, There are more fans of Hamas in the West than in Gaza.

Giulio Meotti


What is this strange evil that afflicts the West and for which the war in Gaza is both a pretext and a revelation? Self-hatred? Fascination with collective suicide?
Hamas is an Islamo-Nazi sect that intended to destroy Israel and its people before attacking the West when the time comes. But it found million of helpers among Western people. Sorcerers' apprentices, new converts and useful idiots...

Their brainwashing is effective. Newsweek polls say that among young Americans, 48 percent are with Hamas. More than half – 51 percent – believe that the October 7 pogrom in which 1,400 Israelis were massacred was somehow justified. If we did the same survey in Europe we would get the same results.

Of 67 million "Generation Z" Americans (those born after 1996), 52 percent want racial reparations for blacks, 60 percent believe systemic racism is "widespread" in society, 51 percent that the "gender binary" (male and female) is "obsolete", 41 percent are in favor of censoring "hate speech" (unless it encourages destroying Israel), 66 percent are in favor of silencing speakers they consider "offensive" and 61 percent have positive views of socialism.

This is where support for Hamas originates: in the heart of darkness of Western consciousness in full decadence.

Meanwhile, from Al Azhar in Cairo - the "Vatican of Islam" - to the International Union of Muslim Scholars in Doha, the large Islamic organizations launch their fatwa against Israel: "There are no Israeli civilians, they are all targets". And we talk about the institutions with which the West has a dialogue and with which the Vatican signed the document on "Human Brotherhood".

On the London Review of Books - one of the most renowned literary magazines in the world - hundreds of writers attack... Israel. The intellectual James Lindsay in Le Point explains: “There is an intellectual complicity between them and they share the same objective: to inflict maximum damage on the West and Western values. I'm not saying that Hamas shares all the values of the North American and European left, but it uses the woke left to advance its agenda. The United States and Canada, due to woke infiltration at all levels, are experiencing a cultural revolution like that experienced by China in the 1960s."

Fortunately, positive news is also arriving from America, such as the new organization Catholics against anti-Semitism.

A demagogic left, pacifist squares, corrupt universities and degenerated media meanwhile are playing with matches. And for the electoral reasons that we know, now we have this great left that has in its eyes, instead of stars, only veils, crescents, minarets.

An example of this sick left are the Belgian socialist leaders André Flahaut and Jean-Pascal Labille, who have just compared Israel to Nazism. André Flahaut is the former Minister of Defense and former President of the Chamber, among others, today a federal deputy of the Socialist Party. Jean-Pascal Labille, a former federal minister, shared a drawing allegedly showing Israeli soldiers firing on what represents Gaza, surrounded by a barrier on which a swastika appears in a Star of David.

“Since the end of the Cold War we have found ourselves, with the exception of the period following September 11, in a sort of end-of-history and permanent carnival atmosphere” American scholar Walter Russell Mead tells Le Figaro. “We were excited by the idea of all the possibilities, of a 'win-win' world. Debt also seemed insignificant as interest rates were at zero. We were living in an illusion. But the world does not allow this for a long time. Today we return to earth, we will see how quickly."

Israel is fighting for its survival.

The question is whether Western civilization understands that this is a turning point and really wants to be saved, since its weak and nihilisticleaders seem to have concluded that it is inherently evil and not worth fighting for.

This week, Israeli President Isaac Herzog issued a warning to Europeans in an interview with Die Welt. “You have to understand: if Israel no longer exists, Europe will be next.”

Israel will win this battle – sadly, at a very high cost – because it is determined to survive. But there are more fans of Hamas and Jihad in the West than in Gaza. The barriers of Western civilization, such as Israel's southern border, have to be defended and we can rely only on Israel's determination to do so.

We in the West are in grave danger.
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That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.





Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.
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John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.

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Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.




You're a cretin
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Reply #257 - Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:34pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - ...



No, it isn't.

Do you masturbate when you see the dead kids the IDF has slaughtered?

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John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.




You're a cretin


Every time you say that, inarticulate, moronic, thick bozo, you mean: "yes you are right, my Lord".


I hear you well, sad, stupid little house painter. You have no words.

Sit. Shut.



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Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - ...



No, it isn't.

Do you masturbate when you see the dead kids the IDF has slaughtered?




110,089  Roll Eyes
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Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.



That's like saying Dutton = Australians.

Frank, you just proved your low IQ.
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thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2023 at 3:25pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.



That's like saying Dutton = Australians.

Frank, you just proved your low IQ.



I haven't seen ANY Palestinians or Muslims or their devotees ANYWHERE protesting against what Hamas did on 7 October. None. There has been no 'not in our name' marches.

Instead, I have see exuberant  celebrations in Australia, Europe and America.




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Reply #262 - Nov 25th, 2023 at 10:38am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:35pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.




You're a cretin


Every time you say that, inarticulate, moronic, thick bozo, you mean: "yes you are right, my Lord".


I hear you well, sad, stupid little house painter. You have no words.

Sit. Shut.






You see, this is your problem, you hear what you want to hear, not what's being said. Everytime I say it, I mean that you are one of the most stupid, imbecilic, asinine, moronic, half witted, cretinous people I've ever come across.
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Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 9:59am:
I haven't seen ANY Palestinians or Muslims or their devotees ANYWHERE protesting against what Hamas did on 7 October.


and you won't see them on the right wing nutjob sites you frequent
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Reply #264 - Nov 25th, 2023 at 10:58am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 9:59am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2023 at 3:25pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.



That's like saying Dutton = Australians.

Frank, you just proved your low IQ.


I haven't seen ANY Palestinians or Muslims or their devotees ANYWHERE protesting against what Hamas did on 7 October. None. There has been no 'not in our name' marches.


Perhaps you need to broaden your media landscape beyond Sky News:

"Industry and Science Minister Ed Husic (a Muslim) says there must be "a more strategic and precise way to hold Hamas to account".

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/palestinians-are-being-collectively-punished...

Doesn't count as a condemnation of Hamas?

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Instead, I have see exuberant  celebrations in Australia, Europe and America.


Because people don't like bullies like the Israeli state trampling over peoples' legitimate rights.

(Israel was created out of other peoples' land, the first mistake...)
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Reply #266 - Nov 25th, 2023 at 2:51pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 10:58am:
Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 9:59am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2023 at 3:25pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.



That's like saying Dutton = Australians.

Frank, you just proved your low IQ.


I haven't seen ANY Palestinians or Muslims or their devotees ANYWHERE protesting against what Hamas did on 7 October. None. There has been no 'not in our name' marches.


Perhaps you need to broaden your media landscape beyond Sky News:

"Industry and Science Minister Ed Husic (a Muslim) says there must be "a more strategic and precise way to hold Hamas to account".

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/palestinians-are-being-collectively-punished...

Doesn't count as a condemnation of Hamas?

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Instead, I have see exuberant  celebrations in Australia, Europe and America.


Because people don't like bullies like the Israeli state trampling over peoples' legitimate rights.

(Israel was created out of other peoples' land, the first mistake...)



Your mental and moral acuity is around this level, when you try your best, silly parrot:


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Reply #268 - Nov 25th, 2023 at 3:57pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 2:51pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 10:58am:
Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 9:59am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2023 at 3:25pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.



That's like saying Dutton = Australians.

Frank, you just proved your low IQ.


I haven't seen ANY Palestinians or Muslims or their devotees ANYWHERE protesting against what Hamas did on 7 October. None. There has been no 'not in our name' marches.


Perhaps you need to broaden your media landscape beyond Sky News:

"Industry and Science Minister Ed Husic (a Muslim) says there must be "a more strategic and precise way to hold Hamas to account".

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/palestinians-are-being-collectively-punished...

Doesn't count as a condemnation of Hamas?

Quote:
Instead, I have see exuberant  celebrations in Australia, Europe and America.


Because people don't like bullies like the Israeli state trampling over peoples' legitimate rights.

(Israel was created out of other peoples' land, the first mistake...)



Your mental and moral acuity is around this level, when you try your best, silly parrot:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_fJtsLWYAAG2oV?.jpg


"Trans" ....nice diversion;  can you point to anything I have siad about it?

Whereas you froth at the mouth when confronted with the truth: Israel was created on other peoples' land.
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John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.




You're a cretin

Frank is right.
You're the cretin for Terrorism and a Gronk at that too.
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John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.




You're a cretin

There is NO alternative Palestinian voice. They all want what Hamas wants.

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Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 4:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.




You're a cretin

There is NO alternative Palestinian voice. They all want what Hamas wants.


Exactly!!!
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Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 4:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.




You're a cretin

There is NO alternative Palestinian voice. They all want what Hamas wants.



I'm sticking with you're a cretin.
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John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 5:46pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 4:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.




You're a cretin

There is NO alternative Palestinian voice. They all want what Hamas wants.



I'm sticking with you're a cretin.


YOU are Hamas, as is paki, Bbwian, Mothra, duckwit, moronic parrot et al. You are all Hamas. Always have been.



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Reply #276 - Nov 25th, 2023 at 7:33pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 7:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 5:46pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 4:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.




You're a cretin

There is NO alternative Palestinian voice. They all want what Hamas wants.



I'm sticking with you're a cretin.


YOU are Hamas, as is paki, Bbwian, Mothra, duckwit, moronic parrot et al. You are all Hamas. Always have been.




Oh... sorry...
You might be variously Al Fatah, Al Putain, Islamic Jihad, Schmihad, PLO [your faction here],  the Palestinian People's Crack Suicide Squad - or a mix n match of all those idiots.
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Reply #277 - Nov 26th, 2023 at 10:14am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 7:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 5:46pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 4:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.




You're a cretin

There is NO alternative Palestinian voice. They all want what Hamas wants.



I'm sticking with you're a cretin.


YOU are Hamas, as is paki, Bbwian, Mothra, duckwit, moronic parrot et al. You are all Hamas. Always have been.


Oh dear, the simplistic, black-and-white conservative brain on full display.  "Deplorable".

Support for a Palestinian state is not support for Hamas; Jeremy Corbyn is not an 'anti-Semite'.




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Who speaks for the Palestinian people if not Hamas, not Hezbollah, no Islamic Jihad, Al Fatah,  not Iran, not Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon.
Who? Th e mob in Sydney shouting gas th ed Jews or the mob in London chanting from the river to the sea?

You? Thick-as? Who?

They rejected no fewer than five two-state  solutions. They just want one state, from the river to the sea. No Israel.


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Reply #279 - Nov 26th, 2023 at 3:25pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 7:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 5:46pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 4:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 10:35am:
That guy is a simpleton like you Frank.

Supporting the Palestinian people is not supporting Hamas. Only an absolute cretin would claim otherwise.

Of course it it is  - Hamas, PA, Islamic Jihad, Hezb'allah = Palestinians.




You're a cretin

There is NO alternative Palestinian voice. They all want what Hamas wants.



I'm sticking with you're a cretin.


YOU are Hamas, as is paki, Bbwian, Mothra, duckwit, moronic parrot et al. You are all Hamas. Always have been.





Are you still trying to prove to me that you're a cretin? Thank you but it's completely unnecessary.  It's already been proven
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Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2023 at 3:21pm:
Who speaks for the Palestinian people if not Hamas, not Hezbollah, no Islamic Jihad, Al Fatah,  not Iran, not Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon.
Who? Th e mob in Sydney shouting gas th ed Jews or the mob in London chanting from the river to the sea?

You? Thick-as? Who?


O dear...another string of silly questions, fraudiver style.

Who?

Many, beginning with the UNGA by a wide majority.

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The mob in Sydney shouting gas the  Jews or the mob in London chanting from the river to the sea?


No....but you should be ashamed that Israel has made an enemy of many people around the world, including honest people like Jeremy Corbyn who was crucified by RW  Israel über Alles nut jobs.


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Conflict unresolved does beget extremism.



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A poll published in the Jerusalem Post on November 17 and conducted by Palestinian-based Arab World for Research and Development asked what the Post called a leading question: “How much do you support the military operation carried out by the Palestinian resistance led by Hamas on October 7?”

Palestinians on the West Bank who supported the attack to an “extreme” or “somewhat” extent totalled 83.1 per cent. Only 6.9 per cent were extremely or somewhat against. In Gaza 63.6 were supportive and 20.9 per cent opposed.

Asked about support for a two-state solution, 74.7 per cent supported a single Palestinian state “from the river to the sea”. Only 17.2 per cent supported a two-state solution.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/social-media-fuels-rise-in-antis...

Also remember the word Judaism comes from the area of Judea. The word Palestine comes from the Hebrew word for philistine (plishtim), meaning “invaders”.



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Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 6:42am:
A poll published in the Jerusalem Post on November 17 and conducted by Palestinian-based Arab World for Research and Development asked what the Post called a leading question: “How much do you support the military operation carried out by the Palestinian resistance led by Hamas on October 7?”

Palestinians on the West Bank who supported the attack to an “extreme” or “somewhat” extent totalled 83.1 per cent. Only 6.9 per cent were extremely or somewhat against. In Gaza 63.6 were supportive and 20.9 per cent opposed.

Asked about support for a two-state solution, 74.7 per cent supported a single Palestinian state “from the river to the sea”. Only 17.2 per cent supported a two-state solution.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/social-media-fuels-rise-in-antis...

Also remember the word Judaism comes from the area of Judea. The word Palestine comes from the Hebrew word for philistine (plishtim), meaning “invaders”.



Aha - here comes the Murdoch press ideology designed to soften the world up to Israeli refusal to implement the 2-state solution.
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thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 10:42am:
Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 6:42am:
A poll published in the Jerusalem Post on November 17 and conducted by Palestinian-based Arab World for Research and Development asked what the Post called a leading question: “How much do you support the military operation carried out by the Palestinian resistance led by Hamas on October 7?”

Palestinians on the West Bank who supported the attack to an “extreme” or “somewhat” extent totalled 83.1 per cent. Only 6.9 per cent were extremely or somewhat against. In Gaza 63.6 were supportive and 20.9 per cent opposed.

Asked about support for a two-state solution, 74.7 per cent supported a single Palestinian state “from the river to the sea”. Only 17.2 per cent supported a two-state solution.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/social-media-fuels-rise-in-antis...

Also remember the word Judaism comes from the area of Judea. The word Palestine comes from the Hebrew word for philistine (plishtim), meaning “invaders”.



Aha - here comes the Murdoch press ideology designed to soften the world up to Israeli refusal to implement the 2-state solution.


The poll was conducted by Palestinian-based Arab World for Research and Development, ya stupid galah.




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Reply #287 - Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:27pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 10:42am:
Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 6:42am:
A poll published in the Jerusalem Post on November 17 and conducted by Palestinian-based Arab World for Research and Development asked what the Post called a leading question: “How much do you support the military operation carried out by the Palestinian resistance led by Hamas on October 7?”

Palestinians on the West Bank who supported the attack to an “extreme” or “somewhat” extent totalled 83.1 per cent. Only 6.9 per cent were extremely or somewhat against. In Gaza 63.6 were supportive and 20.9 per cent opposed.

Asked about support for a two-state solution, 74.7 per cent supported a single Palestinian state “from the river to the sea”. Only 17.2 per cent supported a two-state solution.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/social-media-fuels-rise-in-antis...

Also remember the word Judaism comes from the area of Judea. The word Palestine comes from the Hebrew word for philistine (plishtim), meaning “invaders”.



Aha - here comes the Murdoch press ideology designed to soften the world up to Israeli refusal to implement the 2-state solution.

Here, birdbrain.
Tables 27-30.

You are a complete bozo, a Smith & Bbwian class mong.



https://www.awrad.org/en/article/10719/Wartime-Poll-Results-of-an-Opinion-Poll-A...



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Reply #288 - Nov 28th, 2023 at 11:48am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 10:42am:
Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 6:42am:
A poll published in the Jerusalem Post on November 17 and conducted by Palestinian-based Arab World for Research and Development asked what the Post called a leading question: “How much do you support the military operation carried out by the Palestinian resistance led by Hamas on October 7?”

Palestinians on the West Bank who supported the attack to an “extreme” or “somewhat” extent totalled 83.1 per cent. Only 6.9 per cent were extremely or somewhat against. In Gaza 63.6 were supportive and 20.9 per cent opposed.

Asked about support for a two-state solution, 74.7 per cent supported a single Palestinian state “from the river to the sea”. Only 17.2 per cent supported a two-state solution.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/social-media-fuels-rise-in-antis...

Also remember the word Judaism comes from the area of Judea. The word Palestine comes from the Hebrew word for philistine (plishtim), meaning “invaders”.



Aha - here comes the Murdoch press ideology designed to soften the world up to Israeli refusal to implement the 2-state solution.


The poll was conducted by Palestinian-based Arab World for Research and Development, ya stupid galah.


The majority of the UN  wants a 2 state solution. as does Biden.

Of course the Jerusalem post is  publishing a poll which shows Palestinians  don't want a 2 state solution, despite the fact the Arab world now officially accepts Israel's right to exist. The Jerusalem ignores that fact, of course.
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Of course the Jerusalem post is  publishing a poll which shows Palestinians  don't want a 2 state solution, despite the fact the Arab world now officially accepts Israel's right to exist. The Jerusalem ignores that fact, of course.



This what Pallos want, birdbrain.
Tables 27-30.

https://www.awrad.org/en/article/10719/Wartime-Poll-Results-of-an-Opinion-Poll-A...


You are a complete bozo, a Smith & Bbwian class mong.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Tibet was culturally backward and poverty stricken  in 1950, even more so than China itself. Like the vast poverty-stricken Indian hordes today.   
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Of course the Jerusalem post is  publishing a poll which shows Palestinians  don't want a 2 state solution, despite the fact the Arab world now officially accepts Israel's right to exist. The Jerusalem ignores that fact, of course.



This what Pallos want, birdbrain.



Funny, coming from a lizard brain....

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Of course Palestinians want Israel to disappear; but the majority of the Arab world has accepted Israel's self-proclaimed right to exist, and the majority of the UN - even Biden - wants a 2-state solution.

But lizard-brain Netanyahu wants ALL of Palestine (as if that will achieve peace....) 

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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?

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why on earth do you need arab consent ?

dont you lefties believe that borders are racist?

if so, why couldnt jewish assylum seekers from WW2 set up in the middle east
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aquascoot wrote on Dec 18th, 2023 at 5:22pm:
why on earth do you need arab consent ?


Just so. What's wrong with the Balfour Declaration?

Whack it down with the Stalingrad Solution, leftards.

Sheesh. You only have yourselves to blame, no?
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Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2023 at 7:55pm:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 18th, 2023 at 5:22pm:
why on earth do you need arab consent ?


Just so. What's wrong with the Balfour Declaration?

Whack it down with the Stalingrad Solution, leftards.

Sheesh. You only have yourselves to blame, no?

Yeah, paki .  Good point.

Did the Arabs obtain consent from the Roman Empire, the Persians - the pakis of Gujarat?

No.

But NOW we all need Arab consent to publish cartoons or make jokes about the buggers and their idiotic beliefs.
Wouldn't happen if they weren't tinted. No such obeyance is shown to ANY white belief system.

People tiptoe around the grusome Sons of Mohammed because they are tinted and any pushback or criticism of the bastards and their destructive, barbaric ideology  is immediately switched to the plane of race by grimacing idiots like you, paki (that is why you AREAa paki, paki) and Bbwian and the wanker turd at al.


There is no discussion to be had with you morons about the barbaric nature of Islam because you always make any criticism of it to be nothing but a racist attack on oppressed tinted people. Muslims can blow up teenage girls in Manchester, commuters in London, Madrid, other Muslims, slaughter school children etc, etc - but any critical condemnation of their animating ideology is met with yelps of wacism and Bbwianesque stupidupity about how the old cockwomble met an Abdul once 30 years ago.


You are all stupid idiots, of course, goes without saying,  but even worse, you are totally unserious. You really ARE  just grimacing, posturing ****wits , striking attitudes and nothing more.
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The Cronulla Riots proved Aussies don't need Arab-Moslem consent.
I mean, what's a little 'biffo' Aussie style with some beer thrown in?
The Arab-Moslems on the other hand, needed Police, Political and Media protection.
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Israeli government in exile always said it was there..... now they've taken back the farm...

"Olive trees, date palms, and pine - millions of trees, most planted by humans, adorn the landscapes of Israel. But it wasn't always like that. Since 1901, the Jewish National Fund-USA (JNF) what you could call Israel's Forestry service - planted over 250 million trees throughout the country."

Wait one - 1901??    Cool

"The persistence of conflict in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen remains one of the main drivers of poverty regionally. In Syria, after five years of civil war it is estimated that 80 percent of the population lives in poverty, and life expectancy has been cut by 20 years."    Cool

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Jasin wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 12:06am:
The Cronulla Riots proved Aussies don't need Arab-Moslem consent.
I mean, what's a little 'biffo' Aussie style with some beer thrown in?
The Arab-Moslems on the other hand, needed Police, Political and Media protection.
Their need for Police was like a craving for Pork.


Missed a golden opportunity when they were gang-banging their way in convoys gangstah style down King George's Road to get to Cronulla and the bikies etc were lining up with chains etc.... one hyperbaric and a little collateral damage would have done the trick... pigs did a conciliatory instead of a KristallNacht on them ... and then blamed the Others!!  Now after all these years the history is being changed there as well - they didn't assault two lifesavers after harassing women on the beach ....  Nah... it this keeps up they'll run out of halos for ethnics including Aborigines...

Who in his/her right mind would want to live in El Cidney, especially Bankistan, Lidcomecca and environs?
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thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 18th, 2023 at 4:44pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
[quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1621916534/221#221 date=1623227354]Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Tibet was culturally backward and poverty stricken  in 1950, even more so than China itself. Like the vast poverty-stricken Indian hordes today.   
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Israeli government in exile always said it was there..... now they've taken back the farm...
 

Your unshakable delusion; the Balfour Declaration doesn't mean a 'government in exile' existed, it means an ideology existed. 

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Wait one - 1901??    Cool

"The persistence of conflict in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen remains one of the main drivers of poverty regionally. In Syria, after five years of civil war it is estimated that 80 percent of the population lives in poverty, and life expectancy has been cut by 20 years."    Cool

Well - buggar me.


Yes, Muslims  do fight one another, the fools; but UN res 242 remains to be implemented, to achieve peace in the ME. The Muslims are learning, S Arabia and Iran  have kissed and made up...
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thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 5:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 18th, 2023 at 4:44pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
[quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1621916534/221#221 date=1623227354]Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Tibet was culturally backward and poverty stricken  in 1950, even more so than China itself. Like the vast poverty-stricken Indian hordes today.   


Ah I see, China is just helping them out eh? Yellow man's burden.
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Setanta wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 6:39pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 5:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 18th, 2023 at 4:44pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
[quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1621916534/221#221 date=1623227354]Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Tibet was culturally backward and poverty stricken  in 1950, even more so than China itself. Like the vast poverty-stricken Indian hordes today.   


Ah I see, China is just helping them out eh? Yellow man's burden.


Correct, considering the then recently destroyed  Qing dynasty ruled Tibet, as an autonomous district. 

Of course the CCP is angered by the 'century of humiliation' (at the hands of foreigners) and wants to reinstate China's borders.

And  certainly Tibet's standard of living has soared in the past 40 years, under CCP administation.

Unlike comparable states in India.





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thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20th, 2023 at 12:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 6:39pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 5:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 18th, 2023 at 4:44pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
[quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1621916534/221#221 date=1623227354]Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Tibet was culturally backward and poverty stricken  in 1950, even more so than China itself. Like the vast poverty-stricken Indian hordes today.   


Ah I see, China is just helping them out eh? Yellow man's burden.


Correct, considering the then recently destroyed  Qing dynasty ruled Tibet, as an autonomous district. 

Of course the CCP is angered by the 'century of humiliation' (at the hands of foreigners) and wants to reinstate China's borders.

And  certainly Tibet's standard of living has soared in the past 40 years, under CCP administation.

Unlike comparable states in India.


I see. Are you suggesting Britain take administration of India once more?
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thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 5:34pm:
Yes, Muslims  do fight one another, the fools; but UN res 242 remains to be implemented, to achieve peace in the ME. The Muslims are learning, S Arabia and Iran  have kissed and made up...

United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 (S/RES/242) was adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, in the aftermath of the Six-Day War. It was adopted under Chapter VI of the UN Charter.[1] The resolution was sponsored by British ambassador Lord Caradon and was one of five drafts under consideration.[2]

The preamble refers to the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every State in the area can live in security".[3]

Operative Paragraph One "Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

(i) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."[4]

Egypt, Jordan, Israel and Lebanon entered into consultations with the UN Special representative over the implementation of 242.[5] After denouncing it in 1967, Syria "conditionally" accepted the resolution in March 1972. Syria formally accepted[6] UN Security Council Resolution 338, the cease-fire at the end of the Yom Kippur War (in 1973), which embraced Resolution 242.[7]

On 1 May 1968, the Israeli ambassador to the UN expressed Israel's position to the Security Council: "My government has indicated its acceptance of the Security Council resolution for the promotion of agreement on the establishment of a just and lasting peace. I am also authorized to reaffirm that we are willing to seek agreement with each Arab State on all matters included in that resolution."

Resolution 242 is one of the most widely affirmed resolutions on the Arab–Israeli conflict and formed the basis for later negotiations between the parties. These led to peace treaties between Israel and Egypt (1979) and Jordan (1994), as well as the 1993 and 1995 agreements with the Palestinians.




There are two footings to this resolution and the termination of all belligenence is the FIRST foot to be put forward, NOT the withdrawal from disputed territories.

History shows that when withdrawal is done first, as in Gaza in 2005, termination of belligerence by Muslims does not follow.

So Muslims prevent the full implementation of this resolution and peace generally. As they said in the Khartoum Declaration, "main principles by which the Arab States abide, namely, no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it, and insistence on the rights of the Palestinian people in their own country."
Hamas, Hizb'allah, Muslim Brotherhood, Iran, ISIS etc are still operating under these three principles. There can be no peace with such people and Israel would be suicidal nuts to surrender to them.

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Setanta wrote on Dec 20th, 2023 at 7:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20th, 2023 at 12:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 6:39pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 5:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 18th, 2023 at 4:44pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
[quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1621916534/221#221 date=1623227354]Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Tibet was culturally backward and poverty stricken  in 1950, even more so than China itself. Like the vast poverty-stricken Indian hordes today.   


Ah I see, China is just helping them out eh? Yellow man's burden.


Correct, considering the then recently destroyed  Qing dynasty ruled Tibet, as an autonomous district. 

Of course the CCP is angered by the 'century of humiliation' (at the hands of foreigners) and wants to reinstate China's borders.

And  certainly Tibet's standard of living has soared in the past 40 years, under CCP administation.

Unlike comparable states in India.


I see. Are you suggesting Britain take administration of India once more?


No, I'm suggesting chaos followed the withdrawal of Britain....everywhere;  an educative program should have been enacted to maintain India's borders, Gandhi was already a spokesman for such religious enlightenement as necssary,  BEFORE UK withdrawal.
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I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.

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Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 10:36am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 5:34pm:
Yes, Muslims  do fight one another, the fools; but UN res 242 remains to be implemented, to achieve peace in the ME. The Muslims are learning, S Arabia and Iran  have kissed and made up...

United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 (S/RES/242) was adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, in the aftermath of the Six-Day War. It was adopted under Chapter VI of the UN Charter.[1] The resolution was sponsored by British ambassador Lord Caradon and was one of five drafts under consideration.[2]

The preamble refers to the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every State in the area can live in security".[3]

Operative Paragraph One "Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

(i) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."[4]


But already 2 points of confusion arise:

1. in (i), "...withdrawal from territories..." should have read "withdrawal from THE territories..."

2. Palestine had not yet been formally established as a state.

Quote:
Egypt, Jordan, Israel and Lebanon entered into consultations with the UN Special representative over the implementation of 242.[5] After denouncing it in 1967, Syria "conditionally" accepted the resolution in March 1972. Syria formally accepted[6] UN Security Council Resolution 338, the cease-fire at the end of the Yom Kippur War (in 1973), which embraced Resolution 242.[7]


Yes, due the points I noted above, the UN(SC)  failed to establish the  Palestinian state envisioned since 1947. Meanwhile, Muslims have been  dragged kicking and screaming into acceptance of Israel,  by endless defeats in war, as in the Yom Kippur war mentioned.   

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On 1 May 1968, the Israeli ambassador to the UN expressed Israel's position to the Security Council: "My government has indicated its acceptance of the Security Council resolution for the promotion of agreement on the establishment of a just and lasting peace. I am also authorized to reaffirm that we are willing to seek agreement with each Arab State on all matters included in that resolution."


Note the highlighted - weazel words from the ambassador. The UNSC should have said; here is the new Palestinian state, and we will gurantee the security of both, as required by UN res. 242.  Fullstop.

Israeli fundamentalists don't want a Palestinian state , as shown by their continuous encroachment in the WB; the confusion I mentiuoned above allow them to eternally avoid settlement of the issues identified by UN res 242.   

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Resolution 242 is one of the most widely affirmed resolutions on the Arab–Israeli conflict and formed the basis for later negotiations between the parties. These led to peace treaties between Israel and Egypt (1979) and Jordan (1994), as well as the 1993 and 1995 agreements with the Palestinians.


And still no Palestine...what went wrong (.....see above, sneaky Zionists ensuring the status quo)

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There are two footings to this resolution and the termination of all belligenence is the FIRST foot to be put forward, NOT the withdrawal from disputed territories.


Oh - is that so? 

Quote:
History shows that when withdrawal is done first, as in Gaza in 2005, termination of belligerence by Muslims does not follow.


That was a cynical move by Sharon; he knew fundamentlist Muslims would take power in Gaza.

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So Muslims prevent the full implementation of this resolution and peace generally. As they said in the Khartoum Declaration, "main principles by which the Arab States abide, namely, no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it, and insistence on the rights of the Palestinian people in their own country."
Hamas, Hizb'allah, Muslim Brotherhood, Iran, ISIS etc are still operating under these three principles. There can be no peace with such people and Israel would be suicidal nuts to surrender to them.


PM Rabin paid with his life for thinking Israel could cede the WB to a Palestinian state; fundamentalists on both sides are the problem. 
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Frank wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 12:21pm:
I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.

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Churchill didn't forsee Dubai or Doha  (or possibly didn't even see the Erdine Ottoman Selimiye Mosque); even London looks old beside them.
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blah blah blah

gaza attacked israel and killed 1200 people

when the japanese attacked pearl harbour and killed a far smaller % of the american population, did america say

'well they sank 10 of our ships , so i guess we should sink 10 of theirs and then call the UN to see if we should stop"

nope

they obliterated and newtered imperial japan for all time
they killed it til it was dead and then added a few city wide fire storms and a few nukes for good measure


israel should obliterate gaza
pound it into ashes and then drop another few 1000 tons of ordnance to turn over the dust


unconditional surrender

and piss them  off to some arab state and carry on your whining out of earshot

to stop before gaza is a car park would be to be a 'harry half a job"

no one is more hated then a tradie who doesnt finish a job
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aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 1:49pm:
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no one is more hated then a tradie who doesnt finish a job


Well, except for Israeli terrorists in the IDF who intentionally target hospitals, pregnant women, and babies.

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aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 1:49pm:
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no one is more hated then a tradie who doesnt finish a job


Well, except for Israeli terrorists in the IDF who intentionally target hospitals, pregnant women, and babies.


That's enough fappin', little black dawg.
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Reply #319 - Dec 22nd, 2023 at 6:18pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 2:03pm:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 1:49pm:
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no one is more hated then a tradie who doesnt finish a job


Well, except for Israeli terrorists in the IDF who intentionally target hospitals, pregnant women, and babies.




Not at all

Every person in Gaza has to be considered an enemy combatant
Otherwise why are they there
If you are in a war zone and you aren't wearing an Israeli uniform
We can assume you are a hostile
I don't even have a problem with the Israeli army killing the hostages
In world war 2 it was common knowledge that American pow camps we're set up in the rhur region of Germany
The air force had no problem whatsoever in bombing their own men

The gazans declared war on Israel
And Israel needs to destroy Gaza as a matter of duty to their own citizens
Destroy humiliate and ensure that never again will anyone occupying that area attack Israel
It seems likely that the only way to achieve this noble aim is to completely depopulate the area

Eventually Egypt and the other Arab States will come to their senses and allow the defeated army to be rehabilitated in a tent city in the sinai desert

Tell me the gazans aren't so stupid as to think that Gaza is going to be rebuilt and they are going to move back into shiny new apartments
Tell me they aren't really that simple
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They are that simple. Like gweggy turd is a simple, rape fantasist turd -fer-brains.

The Pallos are similarly Jew murdering, Jew raping fantasists. They think because the Muslim fifth column in the West is marching for them Israel is going to forgive them.
No.
There have been Intifadas be contained in the past but this is different. Israelis are not American pwogwessives, or German guilt strippers or French Vicky Pollards.

For Israel it is real, it is serious - unlike for Western uni students and Muslim parliamentarians and welfare bludgers (I may be repeating myself...).
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Jesus, we've got two guys here jerking off over dead babies.

The right are sick MOFOs.

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Reply #322 - Dec 22nd, 2023 at 6:59pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 12:53pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 12:21pm:
I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.

Winston Churchill
To the Peel Commission on a Jewish Homeland in Palestine, 1937.


Churchill didn't forsee Dubai or Doha  (or possibly didn't even see the Erdine Ottoman Selimiye Mosque); even London looks old beside them.


Not if they step out of line and the West is finished with them....and, of course, Israel... they'll be dust if they play up....

Now for the Red Sea, children - the Yemenis have been trying to kill everyone including themselves for decades now...  Remember FLOSY (not your dog, you dork!) - took on the Brits at Mirbat... and lost...
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aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 6:18pm:
Every person in Gaza has to be considered an enemy combatant
Otherwise why are they there
If you are in a war zone and you aren't wearing an Israeli uniform
We can assume you are a hostile
I don't even have a problem with the Israeli army killing the hostages
In world war 2 it was common knowledge that American pow camps we're set up in the rhur region of Germany
The air force had no problem whatsoever in bombing their own men

The gazans declared war on Israel
And Israel needs to destroy Gaza as a matter of duty to their own citizens
Destroy humiliate and ensure that never again will anyone occupying that area attack Israel


It is an illusion to believe that ceasefires invariably, or even usually, save lives. Rather, ever since the newly established UN issued its first demand for a ceasefire on August 1, 1947, calls for ceasefires have become an ­essential part of combatants’ armoury, to be deployed as strategically as any other weapon – not for the purpose of making peace but of better pursuing a war they would otherwise lose.

As Clapham argues in reviewing their role in Africa, Western governments, who regularly seek to impose those agreements, act as if the participants in every conflict “share a common value framework, within which differences are ultimately negotiable”.

Additionally, vocal domestic constituencies and “external human rights monitoring organisations, led by the long-established Amnesty International”, fuel the demands for a ceasefire while aggressively tilting “the balance of moral advantage” from governments to insurgents who pose as victims worthy of being protected.

But as these insurgents’ “willingness to resort to systematic murder on a large scale in order to maintain their own power” shows, they “are fundamentally irreconcilable to any resolution of the conflict through a negotiated settlement”.

Blissfully ignoring that fact, Western governments hold to the “tragically mistaken” assumption that a pause in hostilities “can only have a positive or neutral impact”: “if it succeeds, it does good; if it fails, it does no harm”. The grim reality, however, is that the pauses have repeatedly acted as little more than a way of preventing a definitive military solution, condemning conflict zones to “forever wars” and bloodshed without end.

The ancients would not have been surprised. Diodorus, in one of the earliest compendiums of the laws of war, included the ­precept that a “truce may not be broken”; but precisely because respect for that precept required a degree of civilisation, and the trustworthiness that accompanies it, the Greeks thought there was no point in entering into truces with barbarians, who understood nothing but brute force.

And when Plato suggested, in The Laws, that the rules of warfare should apply equally to Greeks and barbarians, his contention was ridiculed as absurdly naive.

Now, the same Western governments that helped engineer one disastrous ceasefire after the other are placing mounting pressure on Israel to commit to a pause which would allow Hamas to regroup. They have, it seems, forgotten absolutely everything and learned absolutely nothing.

HENRY ERGAS
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Reply #324 - Dec 23rd, 2023 at 12:08pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 6:18pm:
Every person in Gaza has to be considered an enemy combatant
Otherwise why are they there


because they are stuck in the worlds largest prison Roll Eyes
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Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2023 at 10:14am:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 6:18pm:
Every person in Gaza has to be considered an enemy combatant
Otherwise why are they there
If you are in a war zone and you aren't wearing an Israeli uniform
We can assume you are a hostile
I don't even have a problem with the Israeli army killing the hostages
In world war 2 it was common knowledge that American pow camps we're set up in the rhur region of Germany
The air force had no problem whatsoever in bombing their own men

The gazans declared war on Israel
And Israel needs to destroy Gaza as a matter of duty to their own citizens
Destroy humiliate and ensure that never again will anyone occupying that area attack Israel


It is an illusion to believe that ceasefires invariably, or even usually, save lives. Rather, ever since the newly established UN issued its first demand for a ceasefire on August 1, 1947, calls for ceasefires have become an ­essential part of combatants’ armoury, to be deployed as strategically as any other weapon – not for the purpose of making peace but of better pursuing a war they would otherwise lose.

As Clapham argues in reviewing their role in Africa, Western governments, who regularly seek to impose those agreements, act as if the participants in every conflict “share a common value framework, within which differences are ultimately negotiable”.

Additionally, vocal domestic constituencies and “external human rights monitoring organisations, led by the long-established Amnesty International”, fuel the demands for a ceasefire while aggressively tilting “the balance of moral advantage” from governments to insurgents who pose as victims worthy of being protected.

But as these insurgents’ “willingness to resort to systematic murder on a large scale in order to maintain their own power” shows, they “are fundamentally irreconcilable to any resolution of the conflict through a negotiated settlement”.

Blissfully ignoring that fact, Western governments hold to the “tragically mistaken” assumption that a pause in hostilities “can only have a positive or neutral impact”: “if it succeeds, it does good; if it fails, it does no harm”. The grim reality, however, is that the pauses have repeatedly acted as little more than a way of preventing a definitive military solution, condemning conflict zones to “forever wars” and bloodshed without end.

The ancients would not have been surprised. Diodorus, in one of the earliest compendiums of the laws of war, included the ­precept that a “truce may not be broken”; but precisely because respect for that precept required a degree of civilisation, and the trustworthiness that accompanies it, the Greeks thought there was no point in entering into truces with barbarians, who understood nothing but brute force.

And when Plato suggested, in The Laws, that the rules of warfare should apply equally to Greeks and barbarians, his contention was ridiculed as absurdly naive.

Now, the same Western governments that helped engineer one disastrous ceasefire after the other are placing mounting pressure on Israel to commit to a pause which would allow Hamas to regroup. They have, it seems, forgotten absolutely everything and learned absolutely nothing.

HENRY ERGAS 


indeed frank

the leftie does degrees like gender studies at uni but the superior man reads history.

the cheyenne and the sioux were very wise spiritual people and championed by the left (elizabeth warren with 1.5 % lakota blood claiming she was native american).

the cheyenne and the sioux , if they were fighting in gaza would assume that all men in that area must be killed.

if they arent hamas, they did nothing to stop hamas, so its a scalping for them

women who were attractive could be taken by the young warriors as wives .

old women, old men and infants were disposed of.

young children could be adopted and raised to have tribal values.

certainly, i can see no argument for any male in gaza to not be assumed to be the enemy.

either he is hamas or he did nothing to stop hamas, so he can be assumed to be an enemy of israel

the kiddies and women can be shipped off to a nearby arab nation for re education

the saudis and the dubai residents need gardeners and cleaners

and gaza can become a national park


one things for sure

gazans will not be living in gaza next year

the israelis have to wreck the joint so it is unliveable (they are getting close)

then people will be incentivised to leave

they can go stay at tedros house if the egyptians wont have them
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Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2023 at 10:14am:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 6:18pm:
Every person in Gaza has to be considered an enemy combatant
Otherwise why are they there
If you are in a war zone and you aren't wearing an Israeli uniform
We can assume you are a hostile
I don't even have a problem with the Israeli army killing the hostages
In world war 2 it was common knowledge that American pow camps we're set up in the rhur region of Germany
The air force had no problem whatsoever in bombing their own men

The gazans declared war on Israel
And Israel needs to destroy Gaza as a matter of duty to their own citizens
Destroy humiliate and ensure that never again will anyone occupying that area attack Israel


It is an illusion to believe that ceasefires invariably, or even usually, save lives. Rather, ever since the newly established UN issued its first demand for a ceasefire on August 1, 1947, calls for ceasefires have become an ­essential part of combatants’ armoury, to be deployed as strategically as any other weapon – not for the purpose of making peace but of better pursuing a war they would otherwise lose.

As Clapham argues in reviewing their role in Africa, Western governments, who regularly seek to impose those agreements, act as if the participants in every conflict “share a common value framework, within which differences are ultimately negotiable”.

Additionally, vocal domestic constituencies and “external human rights monitoring organisations, led by the long-established Amnesty International”, fuel the demands for a ceasefire while aggressively tilting “the balance of moral advantage” from governments to insurgents who pose as victims worthy of being protected.

But as these insurgents’ “willingness to resort to systematic murder on a large scale in order to maintain their own power” shows, they “are fundamentally irreconcilable to any resolution of the conflict through a negotiated settlement”.

Blissfully ignoring that fact, Western governments hold to the “tragically mistaken” assumption that a pause in hostilities “can only have a positive or neutral impact”: “if it succeeds, it does good; if it fails, it does no harm”. The grim reality, however, is that the pauses have repeatedly acted as little more than a way of preventing a definitive military solution, condemning conflict zones to “forever wars” and bloodshed without end.

The ancients would not have been surprised. Diodorus, in one of the earliest compendiums of the laws of war, included the ­precept that a “truce may not be broken”; but precisely because respect for that precept required a degree of civilisation, and the trustworthiness that accompanies it, the Greeks thought there was no point in entering into truces with barbarians, who understood nothing but brute force.

And when Plato suggested, in The Laws, that the rules of warfare should apply equally to Greeks and barbarians, his contention was ridiculed as absurdly naive.

Now, the same Western governments that helped engineer one disastrous ceasefire after the other are placing mounting pressure on Israel to commit to a pause which would allow Hamas to regroup. They have, it seems, forgotten absolutely everything and learned absolutely nothing.

HENRY ERGAS 


Ergas is an orthodox neoclassical/neoliberal economist - who ipso facto will produce 'survival of the fittest'-based  analyses of political realities, which you fall for, hook-line-and sinker. 

Plato is in another class altogether; international law - yet to be realized -  is NOT "naive", it's a measure of civilization. 

You know... homo sapiens on the path to wellbeing and security for all.
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aquascoot wrote on Dec 23rd, 2023 at 1:01pm:
the leftie does degrees like gender studies at uni but the superior man reads history.


And the superior man knows the need for international law, in the age of MAD.

Indeed, except for the argument over economics between the US and the USSR in 1946,  humanity would have instituted international law which could be defended via a UNSC without veto, because most of the delegates present at the creation of the UN Charter wanted it.



But aquascoot ain't a 'superior man'...he thinks the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves - owing to a 'poor attitude'......
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Reply #330 - Dec 23rd, 2023 at 3:01pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23rd, 2023 at 1:44pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2023 at 10:14am:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 6:18pm:
Every person in Gaza has to be considered an enemy combatant
Otherwise why are they there
If you are in a war zone and you aren't wearing an Israeli uniform
We can assume you are a hostile
I don't even have a problem with the Israeli army killing the hostages
In world war 2 it was common knowledge that American pow camps we're set up in the rhur region of Germany
The air force had no problem whatsoever in bombing their own men

The gazans declared war on Israel
And Israel needs to destroy Gaza as a matter of duty to their own citizens
Destroy humiliate and ensure that never again will anyone occupying that area attack Israel


It is an illusion to believe that ceasefires invariably, or even usually, save lives. Rather, ever since the newly established UN issued its first demand for a ceasefire on August 1, 1947, calls for ceasefires have become an ­essential part of combatants’ armoury, to be deployed as strategically as any other weapon – not for the purpose of making peace but of better pursuing a war they would otherwise lose.

As Clapham argues in reviewing their role in Africa, Western governments, who regularly seek to impose those agreements, act as if the participants in every conflict “share a common value framework, within which differences are ultimately negotiable”.

Additionally, vocal domestic constituencies and “external human rights monitoring organisations, led by the long-established Amnesty International”, fuel the demands for a ceasefire while aggressively tilting “the balance of moral advantage” from governments to insurgents who pose as victims worthy of being protected.

But as these insurgents’ “willingness to resort to systematic murder on a large scale in order to maintain their own power” shows, they “are fundamentally irreconcilable to any resolution of the conflict through a negotiated settlement”.

Blissfully ignoring that fact, Western governments hold to the “tragically mistaken” assumption that a pause in hostilities “can only have a positive or neutral impact”: “if it succeeds, it does good; if it fails, it does no harm”. The grim reality, however, is that the pauses have repeatedly acted as little more than a way of preventing a definitive military solution, condemning conflict zones to “forever wars” and bloodshed without end.

The ancients would not have been surprised. Diodorus, in one of the earliest compendiums of the laws of war, included the ­precept that a “truce may not be broken”; but precisely because respect for that precept required a degree of civilisation, and the trustworthiness that accompanies it, the Greeks thought there was no point in entering into truces with barbarians, who understood nothing but brute force.

And when Plato suggested, in The Laws, that the rules of warfare should apply equally to Greeks and barbarians, his contention was ridiculed as absurdly naive.

Now, the same Western governments that helped engineer one disastrous ceasefire after the other are placing mounting pressure on Israel to commit to a pause which would allow Hamas to regroup. They have, it seems, forgotten absolutely everything and learned absolutely nothing.

HENRY ERGAS 


Ergas is an orthodox neoclassical/neoliberal economist - who ipso facto will produce 'survival of the fittest'-based  analyses of political realities, which you fall for, hook-line-and sinker. 

Plato is in another class altogether; international law - yet to be realized -  is NOT "naive", it's a measure of civilization. 

You know... homo sapiens on the path to wellbeing and security for all.



As these insurgents’ “willingness to resort to systematic murder on a large scale in order to maintain their own power” shows, they “are fundamentally irreconcilable to any resolution of the conflict through a negotiated settlement”.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


No, not like those lands, who were subjugated before the UN came into existance.

Oddly, the UN caused Israel to be carved out of Muslim Palestine....
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Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2023 at 3:01pm:
As these insurgents’ “willingness to resort to systematic murder on a large scale in order to maintain their own power” shows, they “are fundamentally irreconcilable to any resolution of the conflict through a negotiated settlement”.


Of course: even Ben Gurion said he would not recognize Israel if he was an Arab.

Which proves the need for interntional law to adjudicate such conflicts.
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thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 11:35am:
Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2023 at 3:01pm:
As these insurgents’ “willingness to resort to systematic murder on a large scale in order to maintain their own power” shows, they “are fundamentally irreconcilable to any resolution of the conflict through a negotiated settlement”.


Of course: even Ben Gurion said he would not recognize Israel if he was an Arab.

Which proves the need for interntional law to adjudicate such conflicts.



As if Muslims never conquered anything.

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Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 11:35am:
Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2023 at 3:01pm:
As these insurgents’ “willingness to resort to systematic murder on a large scale in order to maintain their own power” shows, they “are fundamentally irreconcilable to any resolution of the conflict through a negotiated settlement”.


Of course: even Ben Gurion said he would not recognize Israel if he was an Arab.

Which proves the need for interntional law to adjudicate such conflicts.



As if Muslims never conquered anything.



er...remember my comment about an advancing human civilization?

International law - to which all nations are (nominally) signed up - has only existed since 1946.
Moslems certainly haven't conquered anything since then...
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thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:11pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 11:35am:
Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2023 at 3:01pm:
As these insurgents’ “willingness to resort to systematic murder on a large scale in order to maintain their own power” shows, they “are fundamentally irreconcilable to any resolution of the conflict through a negotiated settlement”.


Of course: even Ben Gurion said he would not recognize Israel if he was an Arab.

Which proves the need for interntional law to adjudicate such conflicts.



As if Muslims never conquered anything.



er...remember my comment about an advancing human civilization?

International law - to which all nations are (nominally) signed up - has only existed since 1946.
Moslems certainly haven't conquered anything since then...

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Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:15pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:11pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 11:35am:
Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2023 at 3:01pm:
As these insurgents’ “willingness to resort to systematic murder on a large scale in order to maintain their own power” shows, they “are fundamentally irreconcilable to any resolution of the conflict through a negotiated settlement”.


Of course: even Ben Gurion said he would not recognize Israel if he was an Arab.

Which proves the need for interntional law to adjudicate such conflicts.



As if Muslims never conquered anything.



er...remember my comment about an advancing human civilization?

International law - to which all nations are (nominally) signed up - has only existed since 1946.
Moslems certainly haven't conquered anything since then...

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Your brain turned to mash, again?
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?



Wrong, it's not all about ideology, it's about the introduction of international law arrangements since 1946, even if the  international  law created in 1946 is flawed.   
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thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:28pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:15pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:11pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 11:35am:
Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2023 at 3:01pm:
As these insurgents’ “willingness to resort to systematic murder on a large scale in order to maintain their own power” shows, they “are fundamentally irreconcilable to any resolution of the conflict through a negotiated settlement”.


Of course: even Ben Gurion said he would not recognize Israel if he was an Arab.

Which proves the need for interntional law to adjudicate such conflicts.



As if Muslims never conquered anything.



er...remember my comment about an advancing human civilization?

International law - to which all nations are (nominally) signed up - has only existed since 1946.
Moslems certainly haven't conquered anything since then...

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Your brain turned to mash, again?


Er..you forgot to say which point shows my "brain has turned to mash", and why.


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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


No, its about international law after 1946.
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The title of this thread is premature.

Has Israel lost? The war isn't over.
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thegreatdivide wrote on May 7th, 2024 at 4:31pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


No, its about international law after 1946.


So you demand that international law be shoved down the throats of every country?  Is that to be - like - equally?  Or is it to apply only to those countries civilised enough to even consider it?  Will the Taliban accept it?  The Mullahs in Iran?  You know the drift... the African dictator with voodoo sticks etc....

There's a reason they call us the civilised tribes - people have been sneaking up on us for generations ... and now a hodge podge bunch of mental illiterates in the main with their heads filled with socialist ideas for all except their group with the big salaries and incomes and the power to send others to the wall etc.... same as here ... are trying to sneak up on us using the UN as the excuse?

Endeavour to persevere while we take everything you have, they said .... once I had a fine woman and a fine family... then the Trail of Tears wrought by social science put us on that deadly trail away from the West and its values and into an empty waste where children seek butchery rather than live like men and women ... they prefer to die as monsters than live as Human Beings ..... now my family are all gone and my tribe is near extinct .... so we went away and considered this...  Endeavour To Persevere .... and when we had considered long enough - we all declared war on the UN.  We declared war forever on The Madness that was possessing the world......
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Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 7th, 2024 at 10:56pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 7th, 2024 at 4:31pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


No, its about international law after 1946.


So you demand that international law be shoved down the throats of every country? 


Er.... rule of law - whether regarding national rules, or international rules - requires acceptance by everyone.

Do try to keep up.

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Is that to be - like - equally? 


Yes - though national laws may differ between nations; international law must be obeyed by all nations, equally.

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Or is it to apply only to those countries civilised enough to even consider it?


No, as explained above. 

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Will the Taliban accept it?  The Mullahs in Iran?  You know the drift... the African dictator with voodoo sticks etc....


That's an issue for the UNGA to address: "freedom of religion" needs to be circumscribed.

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There's a reason they call us the civilised tribes -


And yet here we are, with Judeo-Christian imperialists - supposedly "civilized" - conducting genocide all over again, because they decided to create Israel in Muslim lands against the wishes of the Arab world, and are determined to crush Palestinian objections to confiscation of their land. 

Meanwhile the Russians - Christians - are fighting a 'holy war' against 'nazi' NATO-backed Christians in Ukraine; see the problem with "freedom of religion" combined with freedom of political ideology, without adjudication by international law?

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people have been sneaking up on us for generations ... and now a hodge podge bunch of mental illiterates in the main with their heads filled with socialist ideas for all except their group with the big salaries and incomes and the power to send others to the wall etc.... same as here ... are trying to sneak up on us using the UN as the excuse?


Addressed above; "to save mankind from the scourge of war": UN Charter, but you are part of the problem, as shown above [....and "socialist" ideas.. eg shared prosperity?].

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Endeavour to persevere while we take everything you have, they said .... once I had a fine woman and a fine family... then the Trail of Tears wrought by social science put us on that deadly trail away from the West and its values and into an empty waste where children seek butchery rather than live like men and women ... they prefer to die as monsters than live as Human Beings ..... now my family are all gone and my tribe is near extinct .... so we went away and considered this...  Endeavour To Persevere .... and when we had considered long enough - we all declared war on the UN.  We declared war forever on The Madness that was possessing the world......


Simple proposition:

Naturally self-interested, competitive individuals must submit to rule of law, to avoid chaos. Trumpy is currently feeling the pain, but imagine the chaos if people like Trump were given free rein.... much like the chaos in Palestine, as Hamas and Netanyahu are given free rein.
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Reply #343 - May 8th, 2024 at 3:25pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 7th, 2024 at 4:31pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


No, its about international law after 1946.

Under what international law did China invade and annex Tibet?

How do you say Achtung, baby, das ist Anschluss in Tibetan? In Chinese?

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Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 3:25pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 7th, 2024 at 4:31pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


No, its about international law after 1946.


Under what international law did China invade and annex Tibet?


None; in 1950 the UN hadn't passed laws relating to Chinese sovereignty in Tibet, which had existed under the Qing dynasty. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_sovereignty_debate#:~:text=The%20United%20...

Three UN resolutions which were passed in 1959, 1961, and 1965 all condemned human rights violations in Tibet. These resolutions were passed at a time when the PRC was not permitted to become a member of the United Nations and of course, it was not allowed to present its singular version of events in the region to the United Nations (however, the Republic of China on Taiwan, which the PRC also claims sovereignty over, was a member of the UN at that time, and it also claimed sovereignty over Tibet and opposed Tibetan self-determination). The professor and sinologist A. Tom Grunfeld called the resolutions impractical and he also justified the PRC's decision to ignore them.[150]

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I don't know, I can't speak Chinese.
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MattE wrote on May 7th, 2024 at 8:53pm:
The title of this thread is premature.

Has Israel lost? The war isn't over.


It's the previous war which ended in a ceasefire so Hamas could rearm and regroup then break ceasefire on Oct 7th.

The IDF helped with renovations in 2021 turned it into open plan loungeroom.
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Baronvonrort wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:34pm:
MattE wrote on May 7th, 2024 at 8:53pm:
The title of this thread is premature.

Has Israel lost? The war isn't over.


It's the previous war which ended in a ceasefire so Hamas could rearm and regroup then break ceasefire on Oct 7th.

The IDF helped with renovations in 2021 turned it into open plan loungeroom.


Of, Mohammed, LOVE what you did with the lounge! So Zen!

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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


The difference:  the Talmud records the conquest by force of the Canaanite kingdom of the Jebusites by the Israelites in c.1100 BC; both kingdoms disappeared in the course of history, until the latter was recognized by a vote in the UN in 1947 - against the wishes of the Arab world.   

Whereas Tibet and China continued to exist in post- ancient history, with disputes over Chinese sovereignty occuring from time to time.  The UN never recognized  the sovereignty of Tibet after the recognition by the UN of the CCP as the government of China, in 1971.   

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Today's Tibet is internationally recognized as part of China. It is not listed in the list of countries and territories to be decolonized published in 2008 by the UN, and China is not mentioned among the administering (colonial) powers.



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Israel Jews have lost the war by not winning.

The evil conduct and oppression by Israeli Jews since 1948 provide a good reason why Israel disappeared in the past. Their neighbors did not tolerate a violent death cult that excluded people other than Jews.

Israeli Jews are committing mass murder and genocide.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


No, it's about the world adopting an international law regime after WW2, manifested by the signing of the UN Charter in 1946.

But the UN bungled the creation of Israel on Arab lands.

Now we see fascist Israeli leaders committing genocide in the WB and Gaza, in reaction to Palestinian resistance to illegal Israeli ocupation of the WB (Hamas is the extreme manifestation of that resistance).   

Deplorable.
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Zionism and Judaism are in a death struggle ... with each other.
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Zionism and Judaism are in a death struggle ... with each other.

Tallowood has lost the struggle and lost his humanity.
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LTYC lost his stinking jihad.

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tallowood wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 11:38am:
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Not until Israel abides by international law (eg, UN res 181 and 242 ) - which will have to be imposed by the UNSC,  because both Netanyahu and Hamas want all of Palestine, and so will not agree to international law (despite Israel being a member of the UN), hence the endless war.    
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Israel has lost and would not exist without US financial and military support.

Israeli Jews are now committing genocide in the West Bank.

Brave Israeli Jews never tire of murdering unarmed peaceful children and women.
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More red colour

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tallowood wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 1:23pm:


Tallowood -  another ozpolitic incompetent: ignores replies and rants about colour.

To repeat: the 'times won't change' - until Israel abides by international law (eg, UN res 181 and 242 ) - which will have to be imposed by the UNSC,  because both Netanyahu and Hamas want all of Palestine, and so will not agree to international law (despite Israel being a member of the UN), hence the endless war.   
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thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 11:30am:
tallowood wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 1:23pm:


Tallowood -  another ozpolitic incompetent: ignores replies and rants about colour.

To repeat: the 'times won't change' - until Israel abides by international law (eg, UN res 181 and 242 ) - which will have to be imposed by the UNSC,  because both Netanyahu and Hamas want all of Palestine, and so will not agree to international law (despite Israel being a member of the UN), hence the endless war.   


Why do you have butthurt from red colour in my posts but not in posts of the poo jihadist?
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Israel did not win the war on Gaza, hamas lost it all by itself because that is will of Allah.
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tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 1:33pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 11:30am:
tallowood wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 1:23pm:


Tallowood -  another ozpolitic incompetent: ignores replies and rants about colour.

To repeat: the 'times won't change' - until Israel abides by international law (eg, UN res 181 and 242 ) - which will have to be imposed by the UNSC,  because both Netanyahu and Hamas want all of Palestine, and so will not agree to international law (despite Israel being a member of the UN), hence the endless war.   


Why do you have butthurt from red colour in my posts but not in posts of the poo jihadist?


Because you are too incompetent to answer posts rebutting your ideological stance, and resort to 'colour coding' which you imagine supports your stance.   

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tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 1:35pm:
Israel did not win the war on Gaza, hamas lost it all by itself because that is will of Allah.


As Jeffrey Sachs explains, both Israel and Gaza will need peace imposed on them, according to international law  (ie, the Palestine Partition plan), to end the endless war.

Ironically, both Jahweh and Allah - the same God - are into genocide, providing cover for the extremists on both sides, including the illegal settler thugs backed by the IDF in the WB.





 
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thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 2:12pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 1:33pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 11:30am:
tallowood wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 1:23pm:


Tallowood -  another ozpolitic incompetent: ignores replies and rants about colour.

To repeat: the 'times won't change' - until Israel abides by international law (eg, UN res 181 and 242 ) - which will have to be imposed by the UNSC,  because both Netanyahu and Hamas want all of Palestine, and so will not agree to international law (despite Israel being a member of the UN), hence the endless war.   


Why do you have butthurt from red colour in my posts but not in posts of the poo jihadist?


Because you are too incompetent to answer posts rebutting your ideological stance, and resort to 'colour coding' which you imagine supports your stance.   



Because you have double standard due to your antisemitism.

Anyway, Arabia for Arabs and everywhere else  they  are only "guests".
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Israel is a figment created as a hole-in-the-wall region for genocide perpetrators, mass murderers, occupation-crime perpetrators, thieves, social outcasts, and general malcontents.

Ozpolitic members and associates of a toxic, noxious, surreptitious cabal of a death cult (which shall not be named) are directly complicit in genocide.
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Reply #366 - Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:04pm
 
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 2:40pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 2:12pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 1:33pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 11:30am:
tallowood wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 1:23pm:


Tallowood -  another ozpolitic incompetent: ignores replies and rants about colour.

To repeat: the 'times won't change' - until Israel abides by international law (eg, UN res 181 and 242 ) - which will have to be imposed by the UNSC,  because both Netanyahu and Hamas want all of Palestine, and so will not agree to international law (despite Israel being a member of the UN), hence the endless war.   


Why do you have butthurt from red colour in my posts but not in posts of the poo jihadist?


Because you are too incompetent to answer posts rebutting your ideological stance, and resort to 'colour coding' which you imagine supports your stance.   



Because you have double standard due to your antisemitism.

Anyway, Arabia for Arabs and everywhere else  they  are only "guests".


That's better: an attempt at debate. Now tackle the specifics I outlined in #363
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Israel for Israelis, Arabia for Arabs.
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tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:13pm:
Israel for Israelis, Arabia for Arabs.


(Not a serious reply to #363...)

And Palestine for Palestinians?
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thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:24pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:13pm:
Israel for Israelis, Arabia for Arabs.


(Not a serious reply to #363...)

And Palestine for Palestinians?


Judea and Samaria are parts of Israel not Arabia.
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tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:24pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:13pm:
Israel for Israelis, Arabia for Arabs.


(Not a serious reply to #363...)

And Palestine for Palestinians?


Judea and Samaria are parts of Israel not Arabia.


Are you new to ozpolitcs? That's been done to death: Samaria was erased by the Assyrian Empire c 750  BC, and independent (sovereign) Judea by the Babylonian Empire 600 BC.

Hadrian erased Israel from the map in the first century AD, creating 'Syria-Palestina'

(google)

Following the second Jewish revolt against Rome, in 135 C.E., the Jews were driven out of Jerusalem and thereafter lived throughout the Roman Empire and later the emerging medieval states.

So...Palestine for Palestinians - at least as determined by the UN Palestine Partition Plan?
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The tide is turning in favor of Palestinians as exemplified by worldwide demonstrations of support for Palestinians.

Below is a photo of a mass march in Los Angeles.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210525110849-los-angeles-pro-palestinian-...


Idiots just like you .... they should leave their little safe haven in the US & get over to Gaza & support them there..... not on the streets of a democratic nation...

the same applies to all the terrorist supporting demonstrators here ... get off our streets & piss off to Gaza.
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thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 11:28am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


No, it's about the world adopting an international law regime after WW2, manifested by the signing of the UN Charter in 1946.

But the UN bungled the creation of Israel on Arab lands.

Now we see fascist Israeli leaders committing genocide in the WB and Gaza, in reaction to Palestinian resistance to illegal Israeli ocupation of the WB (Hamas is the extreme manifestation of that resistance).   

Deplorable.



Oh STFU .... it wasn't Arab Lands .. the Jews have as much right to be there & in some cases more.

The whole country is surrounded by Arabs/Arab countries...... why don't they accommodate their Gazan Muslim brothers?

Because the Palestinians are even pariahs in those countries.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 2:57pm:
Israel is a figment created as a hole-in-the-wall region for genocide perpetrators, mass murderers, occupation-crime perpetrators, thieves, social outcasts, and general malcontents.

Ozpolitic members and associates of a toxic, noxious, surreptitious cabal of a death cult (which shall not be named) are directly complicit in genocide.


Piss off you terrorist supporting POS.
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Reply #374 - Aug 31st, 2024 at 12:03pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 4:20pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:24pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:13pm:
Israel for Israelis, Arabia for Arabs.


(Not a serious reply to #363...)

And Palestine for Palestinians?


Judea and Samaria are parts of Israel not Arabia.


Are you new to ozpolitcs? That's been done to death: Samaria was erased by the Assyrian Empire c 750  BC, and independent (sovereign) Judea by the Babylonian Empire 600 BC.

Hadrian erased Israel from the map in the first century AD, creating 'Syria-Palestina'

(google)

Following the second Jewish revolt against Rome, in 135 C.E., the Jews were driven out of Jerusalem and thereafter lived throughout the Roman Empire and later the emerging medieval states.

So...Palestine for Palestinians - at least as determined by the UN Palestine Partition Plan? 


Always was Israeli land, always will be, eh?  Some Jews remained and thus they hold unbroken claim to their land and it is now theirs once again.
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Reply #375 - Aug 31st, 2024 at 12:29pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 12:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 4:20pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:24pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:13pm:
Israel for Israelis, Arabia for Arabs.


(Not a serious reply to #363...)

And Palestine for Palestinians?


Judea and Samaria are parts of Israel not Arabia.


Are you new to ozpolitcs? That's been done to death: Samaria was erased by the Assyrian Empire c 750  BC, and independent (sovereign) Judea by the Babylonian Empire 600 BC.

Hadrian erased Israel from the map in the first century AD, creating 'Syria-Palestina'

(google)

Following the second Jewish revolt against Rome, in 135 C.E., the Jews were driven out of Jerusalem and thereafter lived throughout the Roman Empire and later the emerging medieval states.

So...Palestine for Palestinians - at least as determined by the UN Palestine Partition Plan? 


Always was Israeli land, always will be, eh?  Some Jews remained and thus they hold unbroken claim to their land and it is now theirs once again.


"Always was Israeli land" - even after the facts have been shown to you?

I think you are confusing the fact that some Jews have always lived in Palestine (ie since the Davidian  conquest of Canaanite land c. 1200BC), with the fact Israel hasn't existed since Hadrian's time - until the UN 's bungled Partition Partiton came into being.   For the last 2000 years, (before 1947) most Jews lived in the diaspora countries. 

That bungled recreation of a long disappeared Israel is the cause of the terrorism the world has been dealing with ever since, because the Islamic world objected to the confiscation of Muslim land by the UN, and the UNSC wasn't equipped to maintain the peace.

 
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Jews have lived in a number of countries, but that didn't make those countries Jewish land
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thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 12:29pm:
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 12:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 4:20pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:24pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:13pm:
Israel for Israelis, Arabia for Arabs.


(Not a serious reply to #363...)

And Palestine for Palestinians?


Judea and Samaria are parts of Israel not Arabia.


Are you new to ozpolitcs? That's been done to death: Samaria was erased by the Assyrian Empire c 750  BC, and independent (sovereign) Judea by the Babylonian Empire 600 BC.

Hadrian erased Israel from the map in the first century AD, creating 'Syria-Palestina'

(google)

Following the second Jewish revolt against Rome, in 135 C.E., the Jews were driven out of Jerusalem and thereafter lived throughout the Roman Empire and later the emerging medieval states.

So...Palestine for Palestinians - at least as determined by the UN Palestine Partition Plan? 


Always was Israeli land, always will be, eh?  Some Jews remained and thus they hold unbroken claim to their land and it is now theirs once again.


"Always was Israeli land" - even after the facts have been shown to you?

I think you are confusing the fact that some Jews have always lived in Palestine (ie since the Davidian  conquest of Canaanite land c. 1200BC), with the fact Israel hasn't existed since Hadrian's time - until the UN 's bungled Partition Partiton came into being.   For the last 2000 years, (before 1947) most Jews lived in the diaspora countries. 

That bungled recreation of a long disappeared Israel is the cause of the terrorism the world has been dealing with ever since, because the Islamic world objected to the confiscation of Muslim land by the UN, and the UNSC wasn't equipped to maintain the peace.

 


You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the arse .. you Jew hating prick.
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I don't know about that but the Palestinians haven't won any prizes -

Gaza looks like Hiroshima in 1945.     Shocked

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Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:58pm:
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I don't know about that but the Palestinians haven't won any prizes -

Gaza looks like Hiroshima in 1945.     Shocked



The Japanese rose from the ashes. The Palestinians will too.

Israeli Jews are frightened of allowing freedom for Palestinians because there are 70+ years of grievances to be avenged if they are free and able to acquire and use weapons to defend themselves.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 5:41pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:58pm:
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Israel did not win the war on Gaza


I don't know about that but the Palestinians haven't won any prizes -

Gaza looks like Hiroshima in 1945.     Shocked



The Japanese rose from the ashes. The Palestinians will too.

Israeli Jews are frightened of allowing freedom for Palestinians because there are 70+ years of grievances to be avenged if they are free and able to acquire and use weapons to defend themselves.



Better to just finish them all off then?  That your idea?  Go sell it to the UN - they seem happy to genocide Israel these days - allowed too much of the riff raff in and got lost in equity as opposed to equality .... all cultures are equal when they are at gutter level, eh?  So they want to bring the West to its knees and get a knee on its throat, and Israel is a first step for the Desert Unwashed.

Would you really want your sister to marry a Gazan?  Or similar?  Your daughter perhaps?    Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin
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Jewish Israel is an oxymoron. The history of the Jews publishes that they were chased out of every land they resided in. Therefore, according to Jewish history, Palestine could not have been a Jewish homeland.

The only land they weren't chased out of was New York.

Therefore New York is the real Jewish homeland.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 5:41pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:58pm:
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Israel did not win the war on Gaza


I don't know about that but the Palestinians haven't won any prizes -

Gaza looks like Hiroshima in 1945.     Shocked



The Japanese rose from the ashes. The Palestinians will too.

Israeli Jews are frightened of allowing freedom for Palestinians because there are 70+ years of grievances to be avenged if they are free and able to acquire and use weapons to defend themselves.



The Japs had some help to get back on their feet after the war -
so did the Germans.
The Gazans are now getting Polio too.
Starvation, disease, destroyed water, sewage & electricity facilities.
Who is gunna fix all that?
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 5:41pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:58pm:
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Israel did not win the war on Gaza


I don't know about that but the Palestinians haven't won any prizes -

Gaza looks like Hiroshima in 1945.     Shocked



The Japanese rose from the ashes. The Palestinians will too.

Israeli Jews are frightened of allowing freedom for Palestinians because there are 70+ years of grievances to be avenged if they are free and able to acquire and use weapons to defend themselves.



The Japs had some help to get back on their feet after the war -
so did the Germans.
The Gazans are now getting Polio too.
Starvation, disease, destroyed water, sewage & electricity facilities.
Who is gunna fix all that?


The ICJ has ruled that Israel must make reparations.

After warfare will come lawfare. Any entities and countries doing business with Israel will face the risk of having monies and assets seized.
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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #384 - Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:10am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:05am:
The ICJ has ruled that Israel must make reparations.

After warfare will come lawfare.
Any entities and countries doing business with Israel will face the risk of having monies and assets seized.



Israel is broke - they have no shekels left to pay anything.
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Reply #385 - Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:11am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:10am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:05am:
The ICJ has ruled that Israel must make reparations.

After warfare will come lawfare.
Any entities and countries doing business with Israel will face the risk of having monies and assets seized.



Israel is broke - they have no shekels left to pay anything.


Israel is morally bankrupt.
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Reply #386 - Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:25am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:11am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:10am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:05am:
The ICJ has ruled that Israel must make reparations.

After warfare will come lawfare.
Any entities and countries doing business with Israel will face the risk of having monies and assets seized.



Israel is broke - they have no shekels left to pay anything.


Israel is morally bankrupt.



Do you really think that Israel is going to build a nice seaside resort for the Palestinians
on the smoking pile of rubble which was once Gaza?



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Reply #387 - Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:50am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:25am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:11am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:10am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:05am:
The ICJ has ruled that Israel must make reparations.

After warfare will come lawfare.
Any entities and countries doing business with Israel will face the risk of having monies and assets seized.



Israel is broke - they have no shekels left to pay anything.


Israel is morally bankrupt.



Do you really think that Israel is going to build a nice seaside resort for the Palestinians
on the smoking pile of rubble which was once Gaza?



The alternative is global sanctions against Israel.
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Reply #388 - Sep 2nd, 2024 at 11:29am
 
Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 12:29pm:
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 12:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 4:20pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:24pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:13pm:
Israel for Israelis, Arabia for Arabs.


(Not a serious reply to #363...)

And Palestine for Palestinians?


Judea and Samaria are parts of Israel not Arabia.


Are you new to ozpolitcs? That's been done to death: Samaria was erased by the Assyrian Empire c 750  BC, and independent (sovereign) Judea by the Babylonian Empire 600 BC.

Hadrian erased Israel from the map in the first century AD, creating 'Syria-Palestina'

(google)

Following the second Jewish revolt against Rome, in 135 C.E., the Jews were driven out of Jerusalem and thereafter lived throughout the Roman Empire and later the emerging medieval states.

So...Palestine for Palestinians - at least as determined by the UN Palestine Partition Plan? 


Always was Israeli land, always will be, eh?  Some Jews remained and thus they hold unbroken claim to their land and it is now theirs once again.


"Always was Israeli land" - even after the facts have been shown to you?

I think you are confusing the fact that some Jews have always lived in Palestine (ie since the Davidian  conquest of Canaanite land c. 1200BC), with the fact Israel hasn't existed since Hadrian's time - until the UN 's bungled Partition Partiton came into being.   For the last 2000 years, (before 1947) most Jews lived in the diaspora countries. 

That bungled recreation of a long disappeared Israel is the cause of the terrorism the world has been dealing with ever since, because the Islamic world objected to the confiscation of Muslim land by the UN, and the UNSC wasn't equipped to maintain the peace.

 


You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the arse .. you Jew hating prick.


Note: graps couldn't refute the facts, so he remained silent.

As for "Jew hating"...the facts speak for themselves: Palestine didn't "belong" to Jews, at the time of the implemetation of the bungled UN Partition Plan.   
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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #389 - Sep 2nd, 2024 at 12:33pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 5:41pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:58pm:
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Israel did not win the war on Gaza


I don't know about that but the Palestinians haven't won any prizes -

Gaza looks like Hiroshima in 1945.     Shocked



The Japanese rose from the ashes. The Palestinians will too.

Israeli Jews are frightened of allowing freedom for Palestinians because there are 70+ years of grievances to be avenged if they are free and able to acquire and use weapons to defend themselves.



The Japanese & the Germans were assisted from the ashes by the western Allies.

Trust you to want to help terrorists  Roll Eyes
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Reply #390 - Sep 2nd, 2024 at 12:37pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 11:29am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 12:29pm:
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 12:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 4:20pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:24pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:13pm:
Israel for Israelis, Arabia for Arabs.


(Not a serious reply to #363...)

And Palestine for Palestinians?


Judea and Samaria are parts of Israel not Arabia.


Are you new to ozpolitcs? That's been done to death: Samaria was erased by the Assyrian Empire c 750  BC, and independent (sovereign) Judea by the Babylonian Empire 600 BC.

Hadrian erased Israel from the map in the first century AD, creating 'Syria-Palestina'

(google)

Following the second Jewish revolt against Rome, in 135 C.E., the Jews were driven out of Jerusalem and thereafter lived throughout the Roman Empire and later the emerging medieval states.

So...Palestine for Palestinians - at least as determined by the UN Palestine Partition Plan? 


Always was Israeli land, always will be, eh?  Some Jews remained and thus they hold unbroken claim to their land and it is now theirs once again.


"Always was Israeli land" - even after the facts have been shown to you?

I think you are confusing the fact that some Jews have always lived in Palestine (ie since the Davidian  conquest of Canaanite land c. 1200BC), with the fact Israel hasn't existed since Hadrian's time - until the UN 's bungled Partition Partiton came into being.   For the last 2000 years, (before 1947) most Jews lived in the diaspora countries. 

That bungled recreation of a long disappeared Israel is the cause of the terrorism the world has been dealing with ever since, because the Islamic world objected to the confiscation of Muslim land by the UN, and the UNSC wasn't equipped to maintain the peace.

 


You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the arse .. you Jew hating prick.


Note: graps couldn't refute the facts, so he remained silent.

As for "Jew hating"...the facts speak for themselves: Palestine didn't "belong" to Jews, at the time of the implemetation of the bungled UN Partition Plan.   



At one point in time .... that doesn't mean they didn't then & don't have now have as much right to be there as any Arab.

Cherry picking the UN partition Plan & ignoring all other history is weak as piss... & I'll say it again you're a jew hating prick.
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Reply #392 - Sep 3rd, 2024 at 11:10am
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 12:33pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 5:41pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:58pm:
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Israel did not win the war on Gaza


I don't know about that but the Palestinians haven't won any prizes -

Gaza looks like Hiroshima in 1945.     Shocked



The Japanese rose from the ashes. The Palestinians will too.

Israeli Jews are frightened of allowing freedom for Palestinians because there are 70+ years of grievances to be avenged if they are free and able to acquire and use weapons to defend themselves.



The Japanese & the Germans were assisted from the ashes by the western Allies.

Trust you to want to help terrorists  Roll Eyes


Er..."the Germans amd Japanese" were "terrorists".

But the Palestinians are backed by international law, while the terrorist Netanyahu wants all of Palestine. 
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Reply #393 - Sep 3rd, 2024 at 11:17am
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 12:37pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 11:29am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 12:29pm:
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 12:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 4:20pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:24pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 3:13pm:
Israel for Israelis, Arabia for Arabs.


(Not a serious reply to #363...)

And Palestine for Palestinians?


Judea and Samaria are parts of Israel not Arabia.


Are you new to ozpolitcs? That's been done to death: Samaria was erased by the Assyrian Empire c 750  BC, and independent (sovereign) Judea by the Babylonian Empire 600 BC.

Hadrian erased Israel from the map in the first century AD, creating 'Syria-Palestina'

(google)

Following the second Jewish revolt against Rome, in 135 C.E., the Jews were driven out of Jerusalem and thereafter lived throughout the Roman Empire and later the emerging medieval states.

So...Palestine for Palestinians - at least as determined by the UN Palestine Partition Plan? 


Always was Israeli land, always will be, eh?  Some Jews remained and thus they hold unbroken claim to their land and it is now theirs once again.


"Always was Israeli land" - even after the facts have been shown to you?

I think you are confusing the fact that some Jews have always lived in Palestine (ie since the Davidian  conquest of Canaanite land c. 1200BC), with the fact Israel hasn't existed since Hadrian's time - until the UN 's bungled Partition Partiton came into being.   For the last 2000 years, (before 1947) most Jews lived in the diaspora countries. 

That bungled recreation of a long disappeared Israel is the cause of the terrorism the world has been dealing with ever since, because the Islamic world objected to the confiscation of Muslim land by the UN, and the UNSC wasn't equipped to maintain the peace.

 


You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the arse .. you Jew hating prick.


Note: graps couldn't refute the facts, so he remained silent.

As for "Jew hating"...the facts speak for themselves: Palestine didn't "belong" to Jews, at the time of the implemetation of the bungled UN Partition Plan.   


At one point in time .... that doesn't mean they didn't then & don't have now have as much right to be there as any Arab.


Your blind ideology is evident as usual: a right to reside in a country (in this case, Palestine)  is not a right to take over a country.

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Cherry picking the UN partition Plan & ignoring all other history is weak as piss... & I'll say it again you're a jew hating prick.


You are confused: the UN voted to partition Palestine, but bungled the partition.

Get back to me when UN res 181 is implemented. 


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Reply #394 - Sep 3rd, 2024 at 11:50am
 
It is now approaching 12 months of the war on Palestinian women and children by Iisraeli Jews.

Israeli Jews have no defeated Hamas.

Israeli Jews have not defeated the women and children of Gaza.

Israeli Palestinians are getting restless as they realize they will be next if Israeli Jews defeat the insurrection in the West Bank.
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The Fat Lady ain't sung yet....

Would you prefer that Israel get it over with in the last holdout in Gaza?  Just give notice that it will be a free fire zone and then flatten the lot and all in it.
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Reply #397 - Sep 3rd, 2024 at 2:17pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 2:06pm:
The Fat Lady ain't sung yet....

Would you prefer that Israel get it over with in the last holdout in Gaza?  Just give notice that it will be a free fire zone and then flatten the lot and all in it.


Israeli Jews will tear each other apart before the demise of Palestine.

Israeli Jews are disparate people from many regions, most of whom have no connection with the Middle East other than living there after moving from Europe.

When the glue of Judaism dissolves from the heat of internal division, Zionism will disintegrate.

Zionism and Judaism are in a death struggle with each other.

Palestinians will inherit the earth from the river to the sea when the Israeli Jews have moved on as global gypsies.
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Reply #398 - Sep 3rd, 2024 at 2:19pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 2:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 2:06pm:
The Fat Lady ain't sung yet....

Would you prefer that Israel get it over with in the last holdout in Gaza?  Just give notice that it will be a free fire zone and then flatten the lot and all in it.


Israeli Jews will tear each other apart before the demise of Palestine.

Israeli Jews are disparate people from many regions, most of whom have no connection with the Middle East other than living there after moving from Europe.

When the glue of Judaism dissolves from the heat of internal division, Zionism will disintegrate.

Zionism and Judaism are in a death struggle with each other.

Palestinians will inherit the earth from the river to the sea when the Israeli Jews have moved on as global gypsies.



I can assure you that a great many Israelis are angry about Bibi and his crazy war.

The whole of Israel is on strike right now.
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Bibi was never going to get all the hostages back alive. No-one was going to achieve that.

Hamas needs to be destroyed. This is going to get worse before it gets better.
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Reply #400 - Sep 3rd, 2024 at 4:51pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 4:24pm:
Bibi was never going to get all the hostages back alive. No-one was going to achieve that.

Hamas needs to be destroyed. This is going to get worse before it gets better.



But does Bibi have turn the whole of Gaza into a pile of smoking rubble to win?

The damage is already more than the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

At least 40,000 people are dead.
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Reply #401 - Sep 3rd, 2024 at 5:21pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 4:24pm:
Bibi was never going to get all the hostages back alive. No one was going to achieve that.

Hamas has no problem recruiting at this time.
Hamas needs to be destroyed. This is going to get worse before it gets better.



Hamas will never be destroyed. Barbarous, murderous, genocidal Israeli Jews are the most powerful tool Hamas has for recruitment.

Israeli Jews have murdered up to 100,000 Palestinians who have at least 10 relatives each who will eventually seek retribution.

There are also another 5+ million Palestinian refugees outside Palestine waiting to return. This is one of the reasons Israeli Jews are opposing Palestinian statehood because if 5+ million extra Palestinians enter Palestine the Jews will be outnumbered greatly.
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Reply #402 - Sep 5th, 2024 at 10:53am
 
tallowood wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 1:36pm:


Only have peace when they love their children?

And Israel accepts UN res 181 (later, res 242)?

Jeffrey Sachs has stated it correctly: peace will have to be imposed by the UNSC on both Hamas, and Netanyahu  who refuses to countenace the Palestinian state.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.


No: the Chinese established sovereignty over Tibet during the Qing dynasty  (whether by force or otherwise), a sovereignty which has  never been contradicted by the UN.

Whereas the UN in effect created a new state on Muslim Palestine, without the agreement of Palestinians (and Muslim Arabs), and - adding insult to injury - the UN  failed to implement it's own resolution on the matter, ie UN res. 181.   

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It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?


Wrong - it's about law in the (post WW2) age of international law; and the UN failing to implement its own law.


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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?

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thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20th, 2024 at 11:14am:
the Chinese established sovereignty over Tibet during the Qing dynasty  (whether by force or otherwise), a sovereignty which has  never been contradicted by the UN.

.. it's about law in the (post WW2) age of international law;

Tibet was outside Qing rule by 1900. UN didn't have a lot to say then..China's empire was a bit illegal when it invaded Tibet after WW2, eh?
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chimera wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 12:46pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20th, 2024 at 11:14am:
the Chinese established sovereignty over Tibet during the Qing dynasty  (whether by force or otherwise), a sovereignty which has  never been contradicted by the UN.

.. it's about law in the (post WW2) age of international law;


Tibet was outside Qing rule by 1900. UN didn't have a lot to say then..China's empire was a bit illegal when it invaded Tibet after WW2, eh?



By 1900 the Qing empire was collapsing; for the next 45 years when there was no UN,  government in China was unstable: 

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(in 1913) the newly formed ROC was unable to assert any real authority in Tibet. The 13th Dalai Lama declared that Tibet's relationship with China ended with the fall of the Qing dynasty and proclaimed independence, although this was not formally recognized by other countries.[15][16] Tibet and Outer Mongolia signed a disputed treaty proclaiming mutual recognition of their independence from China.[17]

After the 13th Dalai Lama's death in 1933, a condolence mission sent to Lhasa by the Kuomintang-ruled Nationalist government to start negotiations about Tibet's status was allowed to open an office and remain there, although no agreement was reached.

In 1945–1949, the Nationalist government of the Republic of China lost the renewed Chinese Civil War against the Chinese Communist Party. In Tibet, the era of de facto independence ended after Tibet was annexed by the newly formed People's Republic of China in 1950–1951.


Ie, the commies, determined to reverse the 'century of China's humiliation', set  about re-establishing sovereignty over its former Qing territory.

And the UN, the arbiter of "legality" in international affairs, did not intervene. 

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Note that the "displace and forcibly relocate" was the Plan B that happened after Plan A, "let's split this chunk of terrain up relatively equally- care to talk details?", was rejected by one side in preference for an immediate, violent, and sustained response- no extended talks, no serious attempt to work things out in either a territory split or power-sharing agreement, just straight to war.


The aggressors then lost. They do not get to proclaim Might Makes Right and then try for takesie backsies when the enemy proves to have more Might.


I will say that refusing to accept the 1947 partition plan was an incredibly stupid thing for the Arabs to do. Even if they thought it was unfair, it was the best deal they were ever going to get.

From what I've seen, the Palestinian national cause is almost entirely a chain of incredibly stupid decisions, with only one notable exception being the Oslo Accords. Not accepting the 1947 partition plan was just one, though the most notable, of them.

The least worst option Palestine has right now is to seek peace with Israel and negotiate borders that allow them to keep Gaza and most of the West Bank excluding Jerusalem. The bugger up in 1947 was ignoring the partition plan entirely. The bugger up between 1948-1967 was ignoring reality and insisting on a 'return' to the 1947 borders (which the Arabs had rejected). And the current bugger up is insisting on a 'return' to the 1967 borders.
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Let's not leave out that "Nakba" originally referred to the military "catastrophe" (from the Arab POV). The reinterpretation to focus on the humanitarian side only occurred later - I assume after 1973 proved to the Arab states that a military victory over Israel was wishful thinking at best.

For the Arabs who we now refer to the Palestinians, it probably referred to both from the get-go (they experienced both the military and non-military meanings of the word, after all), but in the West, I'm correct. It was introduced into the Anglosphere and Francosphere as a word referring to a humanitarian disaster, which is a somewhat... dishonest way of presenting a term coined to describe a military defeat.
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Somers Trail wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 12:48am:
Note that the "displace and forcibly relocate" was the Plan B that happened after Plan A, "let's split this chunk of terrain up relatively equally- care to talk details?", was rejected by one side in preference for an immediate, violent, and sustained response- no extended talks, no serious attempt to work things out in either a territory split or power-sharing agreement, just straight to war.


The aggressors then lost. They do not get to proclaim Might Makes Right and then try for takesie backsies when the enemy proves to have more Might.


I will say that refusing to accept the 1947 partition plan was an incredibly stupid thing for the Arabs to do. Even if they thought it was unfair, it was the best deal they were ever going to get.

From what I've seen, the Palestinian national cause is almost entirely a chain of incredibly stupid decisions, with only one notable exception being the Oslo Accords. Not accepting the 1947 partition plan was just one, though the most notable, of them.

The least worst option Palestine has right now is to seek peace with Israel and negotiate borders that allow them to keep Gaza and most of the West Bank excluding Jerusalem. The bugger up in 1947 was ignoring the partition plan entirely. The bugger up between 1948-1967 was ignoring reality and insisting on a 'return' to the 1947 borders (which the Arabs had rejected). And the current bugger up is insisting on a 'return' to the 1967 borders.


Good posts.

But I doubt you would see the UN's failure to enforce its own resolution - UN res 181 ,  as being the cause of the subsequent endless war in the (former) Palestine  Mandate.

Which it surely is.

Since 1946, only the UN can create states; the 1946 UN Charter was supposed to end the ancient 'might is right' practice of determining  territorial acquistion.

And the UNSC should have been equipped with the machinery to enforce the new regime, ie,  the so-called 'international rules-based system', because any system of rules/law needs the capacity to defend itself against the rule breakers (of which their will always be some).   

It's ironic the UN's very first vote which enabled the creation of a new state (Israel) led to a (thus far) endless war......



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The PRC would have vetoed any UN resolution to remove Saddam, given the weapons trade they enjoyed with him, but this is left out by activists in order to make the USA look worse.
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There are no winners... the best Israel can do is have a civilised government in place in Gaza - their only other options are to trash it entirely and leave it with nothing, driving the Gazans out - occupy it forever - or have it controlled by an international peacekpping force. 

None of those will do any good, none will stop the killing.
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Somers Trail wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 8:12pm:
Middle East related:

The PRC would have vetoed any UN resolution to remove Saddam, given the weapons trade they enjoyed with him, but this is left out by activists in order to make the USA look worse.


Nice diversion from the cause of the Palestine war.....the UN already said the Bush-Blair-Howard war, ie the Iraq war, was illegal. And the massive protests all around the world agreed with the UN.

Re the UNSC veto; many of the smaller states present at the founding of the UN Charter in 1946 resisted the demand by each of the 5 Great Powers (the victors in WW2) for access to a veto power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power

Harry S. Truman, who became President of the United States in April 1945, wrote: "All our experts, civil and military, favored it, and without such a veto no arrangement would have passed the Senate."[15]

A central goal of the United Nations at its founding was to make sure the five Great Powers would continue working with the UN, in order to avoid the lack of universality that had diminished the political strength of the League of Nations.

[4] At San Francisco, the Big Five made it clear that there would be no United Nations if they were not given the veto. Francis O. Wilcox, an adviser to the US delegation, described the dramatic negotiations: "At San Francisco, the issue was made crystal clear by the leaders of the Big Five: it was either the Charter with the veto or no Charter at all. Senator Connally [from the US delegation] dramatically tore up a copy of the Charter during one of his speeches and reminded the small states that they would be guilty of that same if they opposed the unanimity principle. 'You may, if you wish,' he said, 'go home from this Conference and say that you have defeated the veto. But what will be your answer when you are asked: "Where is the Charter"?'"[8]


See the problem? The so-called  "unanimity principle" itself resulted in a UNSC speaking with a fractured voice.

Smaller states were hoping the UN would be able to protect them from predation by larger states in a new international rules based order enforced by an UNSC acting with one voice determined by a majority vote of the 5 permanent SC  members

But the veto destroyed that outcome, because leaders of the great powers weren't  ready to create an international rules based order under which they also would be subservient,  instead preferring to defend their own national interest. 

Hence no effective international rules-based order.

And no peace in UN-partitioned Palestine. 


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Very few states in the UN GA are democracies. I will listen to their counsel about "interfering in internal affairs" as much as one should believe in Piltdown Man.

The UN advocating leaving Saddam and such et al in place is the Global South colluding to protect each other.

And i have no time for FW pacifism (The Belgrano wasn't legally a war crime, for a start).
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GAZA — In a desperate attempt to return to family and friends they haven't seen in over a year and a half, American hostages being held by Hamas reportedly disguised themselves as MS-13 gang members so Democrats would fight to bring them home to the U.S.

After being held captive since late 2023 with little sign of their elected officials being motivated to bring them home, sources said the Americans still in the custody of Hamas had devised a clever plan to cover themselves in MS-13 tattoos so congressional Democrats would advocate for them.

"Maybe this will make us less invisible," one American hostage said in a message smuggled out from his secret location. "We've been away from our families and friends for over a year and a half, and we just really want to be set free. We heard Democrats are actually flying to El Salvador to try to bring that MS-13 gang member back to America, so we figured this was worth a shot."

Upon hearing reports that people matching the description of MS-13 gang members were being held prisoner in Gaza, congressional Democrats sprang into action. "Bring them home now!" said an impassioned Senator Chris Van Hollen of Maryland. "If they're members of MS-13, they belong here. I am demanding that they be brought to the United States immediately so they can be with the rest of their gang."
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Somers Trail wrote on Apr 23rd, 2025 at 11:47am:
Very few states in the UN GA are democracies. I will listen to their counsel about "interfering in internal affairs" as much as one should believe in Piltdown Man.
 

But millions of people in dozens of cities around the world including in democracies 'counselled' Bush not to go to war against Saddam.

As for internal affairs, they should be debated in the UNGA,  not  settled by forced 'regime change' by a UNSC member.  Saddam was no threat to the US who were looking for a scapegoat for 9/11; Bin Laden of course hated the US for maintaining military  bases in Muslim lands.   

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The UN advocating leaving Saddam and such et al in place is the Global South colluding to protect each other.


No, the UN determines whether a war is 'legal'; and,  eg Canada isn't 'Global South':

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While Canada had previously participated in military action against Iraq in the Gulf War of 1991, it refused to declare war against Iraq without United Nations Security Council (UNSC) approval.

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And i have no time for FW pacifism (The Belgrano wasn't legally a war crime, for a start).


(Poor example; see below).

And you apparently have no time for the UN, its role in the Palestine war, and the reasons for its failure "to save mankind from the scourge of war" (UN Charter).

Hence no interest shown by you re the reasons for the existance of the crippling UNSC veto.   

So you are satisfied with the revenge-motivated genocidal actions of the extreme RW Israeli government, in a war which should never have begun in 1947,  avoiding the subsequent endless cycle of revenge. 

Even many Israelis themselves hate their own government for the disrepute the current genocide (currently 17000 kids) is bringing to Israel all around the world.
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Israel kills a child in Gaza every 45 minutes.

That is an average of 30 children killed every day over the past 535 days. ​

Since October 7, 2023, Israel has killed at least 17,400 children, including 15,600 who have been identified. Many more remain buried under the rubble, most presumed dead


A war crime.   
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Frank wrote on Apr 23rd, 2025 at 12:17pm:
GAZA — In a desperate attempt to return to family and friends they haven't seen in over a year and a half, American hostages being held by Hamas reportedly disguised themselves as MS-13 gang members so Democrats would fight to bring them home to the U.S.


Priceless: humor is the best medicine, desperately needed in all this horror....
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Every single death in Gaza is ultimately the responsibility of Hamas (and the PLO) just as every death in Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo and Hiroshima and such was ultimately the responsibility of Hitler and Hirohito.
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Somers Trail wrote on Apr 23rd, 2025 at 4:25pm:
Every single death in Gaza is ultimately the responsibility of Hamas (and the PLO) just as every death in Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo and Hiroshima and such was ultimately the responsibility of Hitler and Hirohito.


You are not ready to learn, which is why you can't address the issues I raised re the UN and its failed attempt to introduce an international rules based system (to which most world leaders claim they are signed up).


Carry on blaming other nations and peoples for the endless wars and entrenched poverty ruining our world.

[WW2 was merely a continuation of WW1, in which Germany was  asserting its right (as she saw it) to assert its place in the world, vis a vis the old British, Russian, and Austrian Empires. Ditto for Japan with its own imperialist desires leading up to WW2.  And the Cold War was based a conflict between Capitalism and Communism; both systems have weaknesses, ask Trump..... ]
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thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24th, 2025 at 2:05pm:
Somers Trail wrote on Apr 23rd, 2025 at 4:25pm:
Every single death in Gaza is ultimately the responsibility of Hamas (and the PLO) just as every death in Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo and Hiroshima and such was ultimately the responsibility of Hitler and Hirohito.


You are not ready to learn, which is why you can't address the issues I raised re the UN and its failed attempt to introduce an international rules based system (to which most world leaders claim they are signed up).


Carry on blaming other nations and peoples for the endless wars and entrenched poverty ruining our world.

[WW2 was merely a continuation of WW1, in which Germany was  asserting its right (as she saw it) to assert its place in the world, vis a vis the old British, Russian, and Austrian Empires. Ditto for Japan with its own imperialist desires leading up to WW2.  And the Cold War was based a conflict between Capitalism and Communism; both systems have weaknesses, ask Trump..... ]


Fancy you telling someone they are not willing to learn?  Grin

Hamas doesn't want peace, the people of GAZA of whom the majority support Hamas don't want peace.

They want the Israelis/Jews gone - from the River to the Sea.

They are brainwashed fanatics - they have done the same to all their children.

Their aims in life aren't to get a good education & or a job - their aims are to grow up, blow up or kill as many Jews as they can and become martyrs for the cause.

Something you choose to ignore whilst you bleat on about the stinking UN & their corrupt branches.

UNRWA is the perfect example. It's teachers in Gaza are connected to HAMAS or are HAMAS members though UNRWA deny it. They are there to indoctrinate their children to hate and push anti-Jewish & Israel sentiment. UNRWA schools were used by Hamas to hide weapons and to fire rockets from. Many UNRWA teachers were seen to celebrate & support on social media the Hamas attack on Oct 7th - one praising her son who was one of the Hamas attackers who killed Israeli citizens.

You excuse & justify this entrenched hatred by so called Palestinian people who will never accept any solution accept the annihilation of the State of Israel and it's Jewish citizens.

No doubt they would probably kill the Israeli Muslim citizens like they would apostates.

Speaking of deplorable? You make me bilious.

https://unwatch.org/fact-checking-unrwa-claims-about-teachers-and-education/ 

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116769/witnesses/HMTG-118-FA17-Wstate...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-administrators-at-unrwa-schools-were-hamas-fig...

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These teachers of hate are largely funded by Western countries who contribute the lion’s share of UNRWA’s $1.6 billion-dollar budget.

Amounts pledged for 2022 included $344 million from the United States, $122 million from Germany, $107 million from the European Commission, $61 million from Sweden, $17 million from the UK, $24 million from Switzerland, $32 million from Norway, $28 million from France, $24 million from Canada, and $15 million from the Netherlands.


The Albanese Govt gave $20 million direct to UNRWA.  Roll Eyes

Western Govts & the UN funding and enabling generational hatred and the promotion of terrorism to children in Gaza, being taught by Hamas members in UNRWA schools.

And you waffle on about the 1947 partition plan which the Arabs rejected causing Israel to be having to defend itself from all sides ever since.  Roll Eyes
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And if there was a territorial settlement, all that billions of aid money that the Hamas and PLO leaders pinch would be cut off. Can't have that!
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Gnads wrote on Apr 24th, 2025 at 5:19pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24th, 2025 at 2:05pm:
[quote author=somers_trail link=1621916534/417#417 date=1745389520]Every single death in Gaza is ultimately the responsibility of Hamas (and the PLO) just as every death in Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo and Hiroshima and such was ultimately the responsibility of Hitler and Hirohito.


You are not ready to learn, which is why you can't address the issues I raised re the UN and its failed attempt to introduce an international rules based system (to which most world leaders claim they are signed up).

Carry on blaming other nations and peoples for the endless wars and entrenched poverty ruining our world.

[WW2 was merely a continuation of WW1, in which Germany was  asserting its right (as she saw it) to assert its place in the world, vis a vis the old British, Russian, and Austrian Empires. Ditto for Japan with its own imperialist desires leading up to WW2.  And the Cold War was based a conflict between Capitalism and Communism; both systems have weaknesses, ask Trump..... ]


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Hamas doesn't want peace, the people of GAZA of whom the majority support Hamas don't want peace.


A majority of Palestinians live in the WB;  and Abbas (leader of the governing Fatah party)  decries Hamas's suicidal policicies, while many Gazans have recently called for Hamas to change course. 

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They want the Israelis/Jews gone - from the River to the Sea.

They are brainwashed fanatics - they have done the same to all their children.

Their aims in life aren't to get a good education & or a job - their aims are to grow up, blow up or kill as many Jews as they can and become martyrs for the cause.


Your error:  "they" are not all Palestinians, as noted above. 

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Something you choose to ignore whilst you bleat on about the stinking UN & their corrupt branches.


Your error: I want blind ideologues like you to comprehend WHY the UN failed to implement the proposed  'international rules based order' which was urgently sought by all, after the destruction caused by WW2;  and WHY the UN failed to ensure a non-violent reaction to its partition of Palestine (UN res 181), without addressing the obvious opposition from Muslims who objected to the confiscation of half their land for the benefit of "infidels" (Jews).

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No it's not, except for a blind ideolgue like you, as pointed out above. 

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You excuse & justify this entrenched hatred by so called Palestinian people who will never accept any solution accept the annihilation of the State of Israel and it's Jewish citizens.


No, I want the UNSC to be instituted to "save mankind from the scourge of war" - and blind ideologues like you. 

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Speaking of deplorable? You make me bilious.

...UNRA...etc
 

Yes, exposing your ideological blindness will upset you, no doubt ....but there it is.

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These teachers of hate are largely funded by Western countries who contribute the lion’s share of UNRWA’s $1.6 billion-dollar budget.

Amounts pledged for 2022 included $344 million from the United States, $122 million from Germany, $107 million from the European Commission, $61 million from Sweden, $17 million from the UK, $24 million from Switzerland, $32 million from Norway, $28 million from France, $24 million from Canada, and $15 million from the Netherlands.


Yes, because Israel, backed by the two-faced US, have blocked UN res 242,  and so the Gazans need life-support in the world's largest open air prison.

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And you waffle on about the 1947 partition plan which the Arabs rejected causing Israel to be having to defend itself from all sides ever since.  Roll Eyes


See the errors you make when you reject an effective international rules based order and prefer to rely on settlement of disputes which arise from differing conceptions of what is "right", ie a settlement of disputes via war. 
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Houthis, have declared a complete aerial blockade of Israel.



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Bobby. wrote on May 8th, 2025 at 10:07pm:
Houthis, have declared a complete aerial blockade of Israel.





Gotta admit they got guts, facing the US 'star wars' military capabilities.

Iran has finally woken up, and said they don't want war with the US (or Israel backed by the US).
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