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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #75 - May 28^th, 2021 at 5:40pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 11:56am:

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2021 at 5:40pm:

The greater visibility that Islam's agenda has obtained in the west in the last two decades has definitely turned the opinion in favour of Israel. People have stopped assuming it is Israel's fault merely because they always win. People could not comprehend losers picking the same fight over and over again, and losing over and over again, until they met Islam. Now it all makes sense.

You're kidding surely. The global demos recently - like the BLM protests last year - were anti-Israeli at least 10 to 1.

Tell us more about your little fantasy of the world turning against the Jews.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #77 - May 28^th, 2021 at 6:52pm

Bertie wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 5:59pm:

Jews are beaten up on Western streets.

Nobody is protesting.

Agatha,

Q.
Why is no one protesting ?

Why is no one, 'in authority' [in government authorities], and no one in the MSM highlighting these attacks upon Jewish people [BY PERSONS WHO ARE THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM] ?

Why are the perpetrators of these attacks not being charged, and why are their identities
and their motive(s)
not being investigated, AND revealed to us [to the public] ?

And if some of these criminals are being charged with these crimes, why haven't the MSM highlighted this, in their reporting ?

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"We had thought that we were human beings making a spiritual journey; it may be truer to say that we are spiritual beings making a human journey."
- Teilhard de Chardin

Agatha,

In this life, every one of us, gets to freely choose what it is, which we allow into our hearts.

Yadda said....
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We ourselves, are the 'gatekeepers' of our hearts.

We choose which spirits we allow [invite] into our hearts.

And nobody [and no spirit] can compel us, to join with them.

And no spirit can compel us to do what is evil.

Nobody compels us, to choose the evil.

When we choose the evil, we ourselves choose it.

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If we will walk on God's path, the spirit of God will teach us how to choose.

Amos 3:3
Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

Psalms 25:12
What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.

Proverbs 22:24
Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go:
25 Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #78 - May 28^th, 2021 at 9:37pm

One thing I will credit Muslims with - they are not hypocrites like most Westerners are.

Muslims believe in their creed and culture. Westerners do not and will hedge and yeah-but endlesslly. Yes, hypochrisy is a good thing in small doses - you don't want to disab ut se your children about Santa and the tooth fairy too soon - but the West has taken hypocrisy, betrayal and surrender way too far. Like Byzantine, the West imagines itself too strong and eternal.

But it is weak and ready to fall because it simply doesn't believe in what is supposed to stand for.

It will make no sacrifices for anything. That's the end for it.

Israel is radically different and will prevail. It's secret weapon is that Israelis have nowhere else to go. Israel is alive and aware just as the West is asleep and self-deceiving.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #79 - May 28^th, 2021 at 10:58pm

Frank wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 9:37pm:

One thing I will credit Muslims with - they are not hypocrites like most Westerners are.

Muslims believe in their creed and culture. Westerners do not and will hedge and yeah-but endlesslly. Yes, hypochrisy is a good thing in small doses - you don't want to disab ut se your children about Santa and the tooth fairy too soon - but the West has taken hypocrisy, betrayal and surrender way too far. Like Byzantine, the West imagines itself too strong and eternal.

But it is weak and ready to fall because it simply doesn't believe in what is supposed to stand for.

It will make no sacrifices for anything. That's the end for it.

Israel is radically different and will prevail. It's secret weapon is that Israelis have nowhere else to go. Israel is alive and aware just as the West is asleep and self-deceiving.

Yes, its true, what you say about ppl in the West, about the 'culture' of the West.

And many of us, in introspection, may tend to want to blame our political class.

But it is us, ourselves.

We need only look into a mirror.

The ppl who are our lawmakers, are us !

Yesteryear, the 'heathen' lived, we knew, in a nation over the horizon,
he was far, far across the ocean somewhere.

But today, we, who imagine that we still possess 'culture' and 'values',
it is we, who are now the 'heathen'. ....today, it is we, who are the 'idol' worshipers.

A people without merit [....with little virtue].

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What are the most important things in life? What do the
proverbs, the wise sayings of man through the ages, have to say
on this point? Let us search them. If we did so we would come
up with the following list:

   - the basic necessities (food and shelter)
   - a good wife (or spouse)
   - good health
   - a good conscience
   - a good name
   - wisdom, understanding, good sense, spiritual knowledge,
         understanding of ourselves and life

Now let us ask another question. What things are most commonly
pursued by man? What does the common, ordinary man pursue in
life? We can list them:

   - temporary pleasure (gratification of appetites)
   - material possessions, wealth
   - social position, being "important"
   - friendship, friends, acceptance by a group

http://solitaryroad.com/a398.html

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434160480/1#1

"Slip sliding away."

The heathen.....

Psalms 9:15
The heathen are sunk down in the pit that they made: in the net which they hid is their own foot taken.
16 The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.
17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

But you do not believe, in a God. ???

A God of righteousness, a God who is a judge.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #80 - May 29^th, 2021 at 2:33pm

freediver wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 5:40pm:

Tell us more about your little fantasy of the world turning against the Jews.

"Israeli police attempted to disperse worshippers inside the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound Friday evening using stun grenades and tear gas. Hundreds of Palestinians were injured in the attacks, which have been condemned worldwide."

Fantasy?

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Reply #81 - May 29^th, 2021 at 2:46pm

Yadda wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 10:58pm:

But you do not believe, in a God. ???
A God of righteousness, a God who is a judge.

Indeed it's likely our universe was created by God who 'predates' its beginning (which is incomprehensible to humans) and is the source of righteousness and 'love consciousness' in an otherwise inanimate E=mc.c world.

But as to belief in the bronze age 'god' who authorized genocide on babies (OT) , or prescribed dark-age punishments for "infidels and and criminals" (Koran)..... such monsters of the human imagination are not God.

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Reply #82 - May 29^th, 2021 at 7:56pm

If Muslims were beaten up on the streets of Western cities as Jews are beaten up (often by Muslim 'refugees'), there would be howling outrage about racism.
When Jews are beaten and humiliated it is hushed up or not even reported. That's why I am pro Israel : I see why the Jews will never, ever take it lying down, not from anyone.
That's the mistake the Arabs are making, they think it's a replay of the 1940s and they can do better than the Germans (ridiculous delusion by the Arabs, the most inadequate people after the Africans).

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Reply #83 - May 29^th, 2021 at 8:40pm

Bertie wrote on May 29^th, 2021 at 7:56pm:

If Muslims were beaten up on the streets of Western cities as Jews are beaten up (often by Muslim 'refugees'), there would be howling outrage about racism.
When Jews are beaten and humiliated it is hushed up or not even reported. That's why I am pro Israel : I see why the Jews will never, ever take it lying down, not from anyone.
That's the mistake the Arabs are making, they think it's a replay of the 1940s and they can do better than the Germans (ridiculous delusion by the Arabs, the most inadequate people after the Africans).

You are celebrating the bombing, violence against Palestinians, and death of Palestinians and other Muslims because Jews are being bashed in the streets of the USA and Europe?

You appear to be very confused.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #84 - May 30^th, 2021 at 12:57am

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 26^th, 2021 at 6:08pm:

The term anti-semite is meaningless when both side are semitic.

Actually they're not. The majority of Israeli Jews are descendants of a Turkic people, from a land once called Kharazia.

This is why many of them - Netanyahu is a prime example - appear to be more European than Middle Eastern.

Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe talks about this at length.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #85 - May 30^th, 2021 at 12:32pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 29^th, 2021 at 8:40pm:

Bertie wrote on May 29^th, 2021 at 7:56pm:

If Muslims were beaten up on the streets of Western cities as Jews are beaten up (often by Muslim 'refugees'), there would be howling outrage about racism.
When Jews are beaten and humiliated it is hushed up or not even reported. That's why I am pro Israel : I see why the Jews will never, ever take it lying down, not from anyone.
That's the mistake the Arabs are making, they think it's a replay of the 1940s and they can do better than the Germans (ridiculous delusion by the Arabs, the most inadequate people after the Africans).

You are celebrating the bombing, violence against Palestinians, and death of Palestinians and other Muslims because Jews are being bashed in the streets of the USA and Europe?

You appear to be very confused.

I am celebrating nothing. I am pointing out the hypocrisy.

Don't pretend you do not know : Hamas started it, as always. Israel hits BACK. Good. There should be demonstrations scriss the world against Hamas aggression. Instead, Jews are beaten up because Israel defends itself.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #86 - May 30^th, 2021 at 12:44pm

wombatwoody wrote on May 30^th, 2021 at 12:57am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 26^th, 2021 at 6:08pm:

The term anti-semite is meaningless when both side are semitic.

Actually they're not. The majority of Israeli Jews are descendants of a Turkic people, from a land once called Kharazia.

This is why many of them - Netanyahu is a prime example - appear to be more European than Middle Eastern.

Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe talks about this at length.

Well, it is a hypothesis. The Jews have been perhaps the most mobile people in the last 2000 years, intermingling with everyone from Scandinavia to North Africa and Persia to Portugal.

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Reply #87 - May 30^th, 2021 at 1:30pm

Bertie wrote on May 30^th, 2021 at 12:44pm:

wombatwoody wrote on May 30^th, 2021 at 12:57am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 26^th, 2021 at 6:08pm:

The term anti-semite is meaningless when both side are semitic.

Actually they're not. The majority of Israeli Jews are descendants of a Turkic people, from a land once called Kharazia.

This is why many of them - Netanyahu is a prime example - appear to be more European than Middle Eastern.

Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe talks about this at length.

Well, it is a hypothesis. The Jews have been perhaps the most mobile people in the last 2000 years, intermingling with everyone from Scandinavia to North Africa and Persia to Portugal.

Most Jews outside the Middle East are converts who have no connection to any Jewish purported homeland in Palestine.

In fact, most Jews in Israel are descendants of European Jews. Very few have a real connection to any homeland outside the land of dogma.

I suggest the real Jewish homeland is New York.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #89 - May 30^th, 2021 at 2:10pm

Bertie wrote on May 30^th, 2021 at 12:32pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 29^th, 2021 at 8:40pm:

Bertie wrote on May 29^th, 2021 at 7:56pm:

If Muslims were beaten up on the streets of Western cities as Jews are beaten up (often by Muslim 'refugees'), there would be howling outrage about racism.
When Jews are beaten and humiliated it is hushed up or not even reported. That's why I am pro Israel : I see why the Jews will never, ever take it lying down, not from anyone.
That's the mistake the Arabs are making, they think it's a replay of the 1940s and they can do better than the Germans (ridiculous delusion by the Arabs, the most inadequate people after the Africans).

You are celebrating the bombing, violence against Palestinians, and death of Palestinians and other Muslims because Jews are being bashed in the streets of the USA and Europe?

You appear to be very confused.

I am celebrating nothing. I am pointing out the hypocrisy.

Don't pretend you do not know : Hamas started it, as always. Israel hits BACK. Good. There should be demonstrations scriss the world against Hamas aggression. Instead, Jews are beaten up because Israel defends itself.

No, England started it in 1948.

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