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Reply #15 - Apr 14^th, 2021 at 12:06am

You missed my point entirely about conscripting the lesser citizens under a feminist regime, Brian. Had to be deliberate...

So how are they going to handle such things, d'ya think? Open up your thinking, lad - start looking at scenarios while you're supporting all these 'woke' ideas...

What are the 'wokes' going to do in a crisis, if they actually have control of the nation? Do a Stalin and send in all the peasants/serfs to die for the motherland in some Great Patriotic War? Create special punishment battalions of dissidents, chauvinists, misogynists, Islamophobes, Kaffir-haters, and so forth, and send them in human wave attacks? Cheesy

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Reply #16 - Apr 14^th, 2021 at 10:56am

I assume Australia's leadership will act appropriately in a crisis, Graps. We have numerous examples of overseas where Prime Ministers and Presidents have acted in as harsher or harsher ways in such situations from Golda Meir through Indira Gandhi, Margaret Thatcher and so on, so I see no reason to doubt an Australian female Prime Minister reacting accordingly when the chips are down. Roll Eyes

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Reply #17 - Apr 14^th, 2021 at 12:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14^th, 2021 at 10:56am:

I assume Australia's leadership will act appropriately in a crisis, Graps. We have numerous examples of overseas where Prime Ministers and Presidents have acted in as harsher or harsher ways in such situations from Golda Meir through Indira Gandhi, Margaret Thatcher and so on, so I see no reason to doubt an Australian female Prime Minister reacting accordingly when the chips are down. Roll Eyes

Such a crisis will flare up quickly - there is no vast distance between Tokyo and Washington these days.... no time for consideration and negotiation ... distances are 'short' in terms of the ability to move across the air and sea... aircraft cross in hours not ships in weeks.... and remember what happened in the Pacific in 1941-2...

However - Taiwan is kind of like Britain in 1940, no? That bloody channel in the way...

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Re: Hypothetical- Dutton as Defence Minister
Reply #18 - Apr 14^th, 2021 at 2:13pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 14^th, 2021 at 12:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14^th, 2021 at 10:56am:

I assume Australia's leadership will act appropriately in a crisis, Graps. We have numerous examples of overseas where Prime Ministers and Presidents have acted in as harsher or harsher ways in such situations from Golda Meir through Indira Gandhi, Margaret Thatcher and so on, so I see no reason to doubt an Australian female Prime Minister reacting accordingly when the chips are down. Roll Eyes

Such a crisis will flare up quickly - there is no vast distance between Tokyo and Washington these days.... no time for consideration and negotiation ... distances are 'short' in terms of the ability to move across the air and sea... aircraft cross in hours not ships in weeks.... and remember what happened in the Pacific in 1941-2...

However - Taiwan is kind of like Britain in 1940, no? That bloody channel in the way...

If you have evidence that contradicts what I have said, please present it, Graps, otherwise we will just put this down to your general misogyny. You appear uncomfortable with idea that woman may assume positions of power for some immature, inscrutable reason. Women are just as capable and in some cases, even more so, than most men in positions of responsibility. We have only had one female Prime Minister and Tory and misogynist propaganda aside, she performed quite well in that position. She did not have a single piece of legislation defeated in the House, which is more than can be said for most male Prime Ministers. You however appear unable to accept her as an able Prime Minister simply because she didn't have her genitalia on the outside of her body. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Hypothetical- Dutton as Defence Minister
Reply #19 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 8:52am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29^th, 2021 at 2:12pm:

il Duce' as Minister of Defence? Yea, gods, no. He'd want defence to invade Indonesia the first chance he got. He'd install his sycophants and Defence would be a disaster for at least a decade. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Peter Dutton is stamping his authority on the defence portfolio by the day. His decision, a week out from Anzac Day, to allow Special Operations Task Group members to wear their meritorious unit citations “with pride” will be welcomed by most Afghanistan veterans.

Chief of the Defence Force Angus Campbell’s decision to strip the citations from more than 3000 special forces veterans as a mark of their “collective responsibility” for war crimes was always a flawed one.

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Reply #20 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 10:42am

"CDF put back in his box by Dutton.

Australia’s special forces veterans who served in Afghanistan will retain their Meritorious Unit Citations unless convicted of war crimes or sacked for poor conduct. Peter Dutton, in his first major public decision in the Defence portfolio, will officially overrule Chief of the Defence Force Angus Campbell’s decision to strip the citations from more than 3000 special forces soldiers as a “collective punishment” for the alleged crimes uncovered by the Brereton inquiry.
Mr Dutton will announce the move on Monday — just a week out from Anzac Day — declaring “99 per cent of our ADF personnel serve, and have served, our country with distinction”.

The beginning of the end for Campbell. Word on the streets is that an Admiral is being groomed for the top job. This should leave Campbell free to run for pre-selection in "One Nation"

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60048 Here Gender:	Re: Hypothetical- Dutton as Defence Minister Reply #21 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 12:00pm Dutton will set the low water mark in yet another portfolio.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 51831 Gender:	Re: Hypothetical- Dutton as Defence Minister Reply #22 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 12:11pm Dnarever wrote on Apr 19^th, 2021 at 12:00pm: Dutton will set the low water mark in yet another portfolio. You'd hate him even if he rescued your mother from a burning house.
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Reply #23 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 12:57pm

Vic wrote on Apr 19^th, 2021 at 10:42am:

"CDF put back in his box by Dutton.

Australia’s special forces veterans who served in Afghanistan will retain their Meritorious Unit Citations unless convicted of war crimes or sacked for poor conduct. Peter Dutton, in his first major public decision in the Defence portfolio, will officially overrule Chief of the Defence Force Angus Campbell’s decision to strip the citations from more than 3000 special forces soldiers as a “collective punishment” for the alleged crimes uncovered by the Brereton inquiry.
Mr Dutton will announce the move on Monday — just a week out from Anzac Day — declaring “99 per cent of our ADF personnel serve, and have served, our country with distinction”.

The beginning of the end for Campbell. Word on the streets is that an Admiral is being groomed for the top job. This should leave Campbell free to run for pre-selection in "One Nation"

By what reasoning did Campbell decide this action in the first place? No one has been tried or found guilty of anything yet, but Campbell was so anxious to cover his own arse with the government and the media he acted before any offences have been proven to have taken place.

Having said that though, should anyone be found guilty then there is a case to be made for the removal of the award from all those in country at the time. The Meritorious Unit Citation is a group award, if one lets the side down then none get the award.

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Brian Ross Moderator Offline Representative of me Posts: 44426	Re: Dutton as Defence Minister Reply #24 - Apr 25^th, 2021 at 2:56pm Didn't think it was a decision for the Defence Minister to make - Defence Minister Peter Dutton says there are 'no plans for Australian troops to return' to Afghanistan
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 51831 Gender:	Re: Dutton as Defence Minister Reply #25 - Apr 26^th, 2021 at 12:46pm Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 2:56pm: Didn't think it was a decision for the Defence Minister to make - Defence Minister Peter Dutton says there are 'no plans for Australian troops to return' to Afghanistan Nobody said it was a decision for the Defence Minister, Bbwian.
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Brian Ross Moderator Offline Representative of me Posts: 44426	Re: Dutton as Defence Minister Reply #26 - Apr 26^th, 2021 at 10:59pm Home Affairs Secretary Mike Pezzullo warns 'drums of war' are beating in a message to staff
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ChrisP Full Member Offline Posts: 128 Sydney	Re: Dutton as Defence Minister Reply #27 - Apr 27^th, 2021 at 11:52am He looked fine when he had hair!
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Re: Hypothetical- Dutton as Defence Minister
Reply #28 - Apr 28^th, 2021 at 9:01am

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13^th, 2021 at 1:25pm:

Vietnam proved that Conscription is a non-event for Australian society, unless Australia is facing an existential crisis. Conscripts did quite well in that war but the people back home didn't like the idea of their sons being sent off to possibly die in a foreign war that was really no concern of Australia. They were unable to vote to for their their fates. This of course led to the voting age being reduced to 18, rather than 21. Conscription is such a thorny subject no major Australian Political Party would touch it with a six foot pole. Il Duce' Dutton is a lunatic but even he would be prevented from trying it by Scotty from Marketing. Roll Eyes

There are those who argue that Communism needed to be opposed in Vietnam, after all in the JFK had warned on allowing the Soviets and Chinese to get Vietnamese tungsten. What really became evident in the process was the utter corruption of the South Vietnamese government. This doomed them in the eyes of their own people.

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Brian Ross Moderator Offline Representative of me Posts: 44426	Re: Dutton as Defence Minister Reply #29 - Apr 28^th, 2021 at 10:14am As predicted...Home Affairs' divisive but effective boss Mike Pezzullo sets his sights on Defence
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