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Poll ... Americans favor impeach + convict Trump
Jan 30th, 2021 at 5:57pm
 
Majority 52% favor conviction.

That is before the evidence is even presented in the Senate trial. When the evidence is published the number wanting impeachment will jump.

Dirty Donald is going down. Might have to spend the rest of his life holed up at Chez Gordon.

Wait there's more ... There are moves to impose other constitutional measures against Donald Trump if the senate doesn't convict.

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article248754065.html

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Where do Americans stand on convicting Trump of impeachment? Most support in new poll
BY SUMMER LIN
JANUARY 25, 2021 01:59 PM

A poll from Monmouth University found that 56% support Trump being impeached for his role in the Capitol riot and 52% want the U.S. Senate to convict Trump.
A poll from Monmouth University found that 56% support Trump being impeached for his role in the Capitol riot and 52% want the U.S. Senate to convict Trump. SHAWN THEW AGENCIA EFE

Most people in a new poll said that they support the impeachment of former President Donald Trump by the U.S. House of Representatives and want him to be convicted by the Senate.

The poll released Monday from Monmouth University found that 56% of people supported Trump being impeached for his role in the deadly riot at the Capitol earlier in January while 42% said they didn’t support his impeachment.

Fifty-two percent of people surveyed in the poll said they want the Senate to convict Trump while 44% opposed conviction. The survey was conducted from Jan. 21-24 with 809 U.S. adults. The poll has a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points.
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Re: Poll ... Americans favor impeach + convict Trump
Reply #1 - Jan 30th, 2021 at 6:59pm
 
Mr Trump will always be welcome at Chez Gordon's, Laugh, but alas. It seems unlikely Republicans will vote to convict after only ten of them voted against having a trial in the first place.

But that's okay. Republican senators want Mr Trump treated like a commoner. No worries, the Senate can present their findings to the DOJ for criminal prosecutions.

While that's going on, the ambulance-chasing, class action lawyers for injured Washington cops can take it to the civil courts.

While that's going on, the New York DA can prosecute for tax fraud, money laundering, charity and election fraud. They've nearly finished their investigation. Mike Cohen, Mr Trump's old right-hand man, was most helpful, but can't comment "on an open investigation".

While that's going on, the new Attorney General can open the Mueller report up to review the evidence there. Once the new Senate justice committees are formed, they can review the Senate report on Russia, investigate violations of the Logan Act and the little matter of withholding Congressional military aid to the Ukraine.

While that's going on, E.Jean Carrol's suit will get heard in Manhattan, with details of her rape by a well-known plaintiff in a New York department store change room in the 1990s hitting the 24 hour news cycle, drip by drip, and the Donald can't even turn to Twitter to shift the message.

No news is bad news, as Mr Trump used to say about the tabloids reporting on his divorce with Ivanka.

While Mr Trump's paying all those legal fees, his next round of loan repayments will be due in 2024, with Deutsche Bank executives hearing all this negative publicity, but while that goes on, Trump Doral is currently losing 30 million a year, Trump Washington is nearly empty, Trump Bedminster's just lost all the big PGA tournaments, no one's visiting his courses in Ireland or Scottland, and the pandemic's killing tourism worldwide.

While that goes on, Mr Trump has to stay away from his penthouse in Manhattan, where he's loathed, and next week, Fort Lauderdale Council meets to discuss whether he can continue to lie low in Mar a' Lago, where's he's violating local planning regulations.

So being found guilty in the Senate is just one little problem on the Donald's mind. Why do you think he fought so hard to overturn the election? Why did he commit one last, futile act of sabotage before he left? Why did he look so glum in the dying week of his presidency, usually an upbeat, reflective time to celebrate achievements and cement the legacy?

The Donald knows, everybody knows. This time, he's going down.

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Re: Poll ... Americans favor impeach + convict Trump
Reply #2 - Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:19pm
 
Huge sample size. Oh yeah, nearly half don't agree.

The Monmouth University Poll was sponsored and conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute from January 21 to 24, 2021 with a national random sample of 809 adults
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Reply #3 - Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:38pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:19pm:
Huge sample size. Oh yeah, nearly half don't agree.

The Monmouth University Poll was sponsored and conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute from January 21 to 24, 2021 with a national random sample of 809 adults


Three-fingers Haji Gordon, you have the intellect of a box of rocks, and the box of rocks wants it back.

42% is not nearly half.  Grin Grin Grin Grin


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Re: Poll ... Americans favor impeach + convict Trump
Reply #4 - Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:44pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:19pm:
Huge sample size. Oh yeah, nearly half don't agree.

The Monmouth University Poll was sponsored and conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute from January 21 to 24, 2021 with a national random sample of 809 adults


He's defending again, Laugh. Most unbiased for someone who never supported his Dear Leader, no?

Gordon's not racist either. He lets them stay in Chez Gordon's.
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Re: Poll ... Americans favor impeach + convict Trump
Reply #5 - Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:46pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:38pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:19pm:
Huge sample size. Oh yeah, nearly half don't agree.

The Monmouth University Poll was sponsored and conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute from January 21 to 24, 2021 with a national random sample of 809 adults


Three-fingers Haji Gordon, you have the intellect of a box of rocks, and the box of rocks wants it back.

42% is not nearly half.  Grin Grin Grin Grin




Yup, 42 is so far away from 50. Smiley

Hey Anus Wonderer, in Aussie's absence, can you ask him if he subjected the intelectually impaired digital rape victim he made cry in court to the finger test?
Did Aussie administer it himself with his NOT SMALL kid pinning hand?

Doctors in India Continue to Traumatise Rape Survivors with the Two-Finger Test


https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/11/09/doctors-india-continue-traumatise-rape-survi...
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Re: Poll ... Americans favor impeach + convict Trump
Reply #6 - Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:47pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:19pm:
Huge sample size. Oh yeah, nearly half don't agree.

The Monmouth University Poll was sponsored and conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute from January 21 to 24, 2021 with a national random sample of 809 adults


He's defending again, Laugh. Most unbiased for someone who never supported his Dear Leader, no?

Gordon's not racist either. He lets them stay in Chez Gordon's.


Your not racist, you're an equal opportunity rent boy
procurer. Indian, Thai, as long as it's warm?
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Reply #7 - Jan 30th, 2021 at 10:01pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:46pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:38pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:19pm:
Huge sample size. Oh yeah, nearly half don't agree.

The Monmouth University Poll was sponsored and conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute from January 21 to 24, 2021 with a national random sample of 809 adults


Three-fingers Haji Gordon, you have the intellect of a box of rocks, and the box of rocks wants it back.

42% is not nearly half.  Grin Grin Grin Grin




Yup, 42 is so far away from 50. Smiley

Hey Anus Wonderer, in Aussie's absence, can you ask him if he subjected the intelectually impaired digital rape victim he made cry in court to the finger test?
Did Aussie administer it himself with his NOT SMALL kid pinning hand?

Doctors in India Continue to Traumatise Rape Survivors with the Two-Finger Test


https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/11/09/doctors-india-continue-traumatise-rape-survi...


Three-fingers Haji Gordon would not be satisfied with less than a 2k quality video.

Three-fingers Haji Gordon please confirm the speculation that you have fingers the size of Cavendish bananas.
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Reply #8 - Feb 1st, 2021 at 8:25am
 
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Slim majority of Americans want Senate to convict Trump:
Reuters/Ipsos poll



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(Reuters) - A slim majority of Americans say former President Donald Trump should be convicted by the Senate of inciting an insurrection and barred from holding public office, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll,
which showed a sharp partisan divide over the issue.


The national public opinion poll, conducted on Wednesday and Thursday, found that 51% of Americans think Trump should be found guilty for inciting the deadly storming of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. His trial in the Senate is expected to begin in the coming weeks.

Another 37% said Trump should not be convicted and the remaining 12% said they were unsure.

When asked about the former Republican president’s political future, 55% said Trump should not be allowed to hold elected office again, while 34% said he should be allowed to do so and 11% said they were unsure.

If the Senate votes to convict Trump, it would need to hold a second vote to bar him from holding office again.

The responses were almost entirely divided along party lines. While nine out of 10 Democrats say Trump should be convicted and barred from holding office again, less than two in 10 Republicans agreed, the poll showed.

The poll also found that 55% percent of Americans approved of President Joe Biden, who took office on Wednesday. In comparison, 43% approved of Trump during his first week of office in 2017, and Trump’s level of approval never rose above 50% in weekly polls conducted throughout his four-year term.

The U.S. House of Representatives, which impeached Trump a second time earlier this month, is expected to send the Senate the one article of impeachment on Monday, charging him with “incitement of insurrection.” Trump, the only U.S. president to be impeached twice, will also be the first former president to face an impeachment trial in the Senate after leaving office.

Trump’s final month in office was a chaotic period during which he continued to falsely claim that the Nov. 3 presidential election had been stolen from him and tried to stop the certification of the results confirming Biden’s victory.

At a rally on Jan. 6, Trump encouraged a group of supporters to march toward the Capitol where lawmakers were preparing to certify the election results, telling them “you’ll never take back our country with weakness.”

Five people, including a police officer, died in the violence that erupted as Trump loyalists broke past police barriers, entered the Capitol and trashed congressional offices and meeting areas inside.

According to the Reuters/Ipsos poll, about six in 10 Republicans still believe the 2020 election was the result of “illegal voting or election rigging,” about the same number who felt that way in a poll that ran shortly after the election.

Republicans are split, however, on the question of whether their representatives in Congress should work with Biden on common goals.

Among those respondents who identify as Republican, nearly half said they wanted their congressional representatives to work with the new president “even if that means compromising on issues that are important to me,” while four in 10 want them to oppose Biden at every turn “even if it means government can’t respond to urgent issues.”

The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted online, in English, throughout the United States. It gathered responses from 1,115 American adults, including 538 Democrats and 373 Republicans. It has a credibility interval, which is a measure of precision, of 3 percentage points.




A US Senate vote of anything less than 67 out of 100 votes would clear former President Trump of the House Impeachment Charge (politically indicted, non-criminal charge).  Wink

Unless demon-RATS Natzy Piglousey & Chucky Shimmer can convince 17 Republicans to vote to convict with them, the despised, arch-enemy demon-RAT Party, they will fail to get the required 67 votes....

Also, without a conviction vote in the US Senate, there can be no second vote to keep Former President Trump from running for office if he so pleased.......


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Reply #9 - Feb 1st, 2021 at 5:49pm
 
That's true, Panther, but the Democrats have achieved one of the two objectives you spelled out to bring Mr Trump to justice. They can:

a) vote to convict Mr Trump with a majority of two thirds in the Senate. Or:

b) have their candidate defeat Mr Trump in the erection, and hand their evidence over to prosecutors to charge Mr Trump under the relevant criminal codes.

So far, it's not looking good for a. But for b, well. That day has finally arrived, no?

There is clear evidence of incitement to riot (Stop the Steal), electoral fraud (Stormy, the Ukraine quid pro quo) and violations of the Logan Act (campaigning in the White House) to name but a few. There are crimes listed in the Meuller Report and the Senate Committee Report on Russia Russia Russia. There are state crimes of money laundering and tax fraud currently being investigated by the New York DA. There are civil charges of rape before the courts in Carroll Versus Trump, and many more to follow.

As you have argued, you fully support the prosecution of such crimes where evidence exists in accordance with your much-loved Constitution, yes?

As Mr Trump has just been defeated after only one term as president, the statute of limitations is not in play, no?

Crimes, yes? Evidence, no? A citizen, yes? No presidential pardons, no?

Impeachment, as you have always argued, is political. Do you now support the use of the courts to see justice served?
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Reply #10 - Feb 1st, 2021 at 6:01pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 5:49pm:
That's true, Panther, but the Democrats have achieved one of the two objectives you spelled out to bring Mr Trump to justice. They can:

a) vote to convict Mr Trump with a majority of two thirds in the Senate. Or:

b) have their candidate defeat Mr Trump in the erection, and hand their evidence over to prosecutors to charge Mr Trump under the relevant criminal codes.

So far, it's not looking good for a. But for b, well. That day has finally arrived, no?

There is clear evidence of incitement to riot (Stop the Steal), electoral fraud (Stormy, the Ukraine quid pro quo) and violations of the Logan Act (campaigning in the White House) to name but a few. There are crimes listed in the Meuller Report and the Senate Committee Report on Russia Russia Russia. There are state crimes of money laundering and tax fraud currently being investigated by the New York DA. There are civil charges of rape before the courts in Carroll Versus Trump, and many more to follow.

As you have argued, you fully support the prosecution of such crimes where evidence exists in accordance with your much-loved Constitution, yes?

As Mr Trump has just been defeated after only one term as president, the statute of limitations is not in play, no?

Crimes, yes? Evidence, no? A citizen, yes? No presidential pardons, no?

Impeachment, as you have always argued, is political. Do you now support the use of the courts to see justice served?


I would never bet on that.  I am confident Trump has a pocket pardon, as many others will have.
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Reply #11 - Feb 1st, 2021 at 6:37pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 6:01pm:
Big Donger wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 5:49pm:
That's true, Panther, but the Democrats have achieved one of the two objectives you spelled out to bring Mr Trump to justice. They can:

a) vote to convict Mr Trump with a majority of two thirds in the Senate. Or:

b) have their candidate defeat Mr Trump in the erection, and hand their evidence over to prosecutors to charge Mr Trump under the relevant criminal codes.

So far, it's not looking good for a. But for b, well. That day has finally arrived, no?

There is clear evidence of incitement to riot (Stop the Steal), electoral fraud (Stormy, the Ukraine quid pro quo) and violations of the Logan Act (campaigning in the White House) to name but a few. There are crimes listed in the Meuller Report and the Senate Committee Report on Russia Russia Russia. There are state crimes of money laundering and tax fraud currently being investigated by the New York DA. There are civil charges of rape before the courts in Carroll Versus Trump, and many more to follow.

As you have argued, you fully support the prosecution of such crimes where evidence exists in accordance with your much-loved Constitution, yes?

As Mr Trump has just been defeated after only one term as president, the statute of limitations is not in play, no?

Crimes, yes? Evidence, no? A citizen, yes? No presidential pardons, no?

Impeachment, as you have always argued, is political. Do you now support the use of the courts to see justice served?


I would never bet on that.  I am confident Trump has a pocket pardon, as many others will have.


I'll meet your wager, Aussie. D.J Trump was given clear legal advice: whatever you do, don't pardon anything that hasn't gone to court. You're basically confessing to any crime you pardon yourself for. A presidential pardon, after all, is a concession of guilt. Anything he pardoned himself for would be a guilty plea, and besides, there's also the court of public opinion.

But I'm curious. What other crimes do you think they can get him on? I'm curious about any civil charges you can see too.
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Reply #13 - Feb 1st, 2021 at 6:53pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 6:37pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 6:01pm:
Big Donger wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 5:49pm:
That's true, Panther, but the Democrats have achieved one of the two objectives you spelled out to bring Mr Trump to justice. They can:

a) vote to convict Mr Trump with a majority of two thirds in the Senate. Or:

b) have their candidate defeat Mr Trump in the erection, and hand their evidence over to prosecutors to charge Mr Trump under the relevant criminal codes.

So far, it's not looking good for a. But for b, well. That day has finally arrived, no?

There is clear evidence of incitement to riot (Stop the Steal), electoral fraud (Stormy, the Ukraine quid pro quo) and violations of the Logan Act (campaigning in the White House) to name but a few. There are crimes listed in the Meuller Report and the Senate Committee Report on Russia Russia Russia. There are state crimes of money laundering and tax fraud currently being investigated by the New York DA. There are civil charges of rape before the courts in Carroll Versus Trump, and many more to follow.

As you have argued, you fully support the prosecution of such crimes where evidence exists in accordance with your much-loved Constitution, yes?

As Mr Trump has just been defeated after only one term as president, the statute of limitations is not in play, no?

Crimes, yes? Evidence, no? A citizen, yes? No presidential pardons, no?

Impeachment, as you have always argued, is political. Do you now support the use of the courts to see justice served?


I would never bet on that.  I am confident Trump has a pocket pardon, as many others will have.


I'll meet your wager, Aussie. D.J Trump was given clear legal advice: whatever you do, don't pardon anything that hasn't gone to court. You're basically confessing to any crime you pardon yourself for. A presidential pardon, after all, is a concession of guilt. Anything he pardoned himself for would be a guilty plea, and besides, there's also the court of public opinion.

But I'm curious. What other crimes do you think they can get him on? I'm curious about any civil charges you can see too.


Ah, but Kemo Sabi...there is a twist.  See Here.

It seems that the pardon (even a pocket one) is only a confession of guilt if it is actually used.  Trump can hold it secretly in his pocket until he desperately needs to use it...a very last, the last resort.

As for civil stuff....gawd knows, not me.  I am aware he has creditors who will be right up his clacker and that one of his go to Banks, Deutches, has wiped him.  There are a zillion likely criminal charges, and I reckon that New York AG will have him for tax and bank fraud first cab off the rank.
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Reply #14 - Feb 1st, 2021 at 11:02pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 6:53pm:
Big Donger wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 6:37pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 6:01pm:
Big Donger wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 5:49pm:
That's true, Panther, but the Democrats have achieved one of the two objectives you spelled out to bring Mr Trump to justice. They can:

a) vote to convict Mr Trump with a majority of two thirds in the Senate. Or:

b) have their candidate defeat Mr Trump in the erection, and hand their evidence over to prosecutors to charge Mr Trump under the relevant criminal codes.

So far, it's not looking good for a. But for b, well. That day has finally arrived, no?

There is clear evidence of incitement to riot (Stop the Steal), electoral fraud (Stormy, the Ukraine quid pro quo) and violations of the Logan Act (campaigning in the White House) to name but a few. There are crimes listed in the Meuller Report and the Senate Committee Report on Russia Russia Russia. There are state crimes of money laundering and tax fraud currently being investigated by the New York DA. There are civil charges of rape before the courts in Carroll Versus Trump, and many more to follow.

As you have argued, you fully support the prosecution of such crimes where evidence exists in accordance with your much-loved Constitution, yes?

As Mr Trump has just been defeated after only one term as president, the statute of limitations is not in play, no?

Crimes, yes? Evidence, no? A citizen, yes? No presidential pardons, no?

Impeachment, as you have always argued, is political. Do you now support the use of the courts to see justice served?


I would never bet on that.  I am confident Trump has a pocket pardon, as many others will have.


I'll meet your wager, Aussie. D.J Trump was given clear legal advice: whatever you do, don't pardon anything that hasn't gone to court. You're basically confessing to any crime you pardon yourself for. A presidential pardon, after all, is a concession of guilt. Anything he pardoned himself for would be a guilty plea, and besides, there's also the court of public opinion.

But I'm curious. What other crimes do you think they can get him on? I'm curious about any civil charges you can see too.


Ah, but Kemo Sabi...there is a twist.  See Here.

It seems that the pardon (even a pocket one) is only a confession of guilt if it is actually used.  Trump can hold it secretly in his pocket until he desperately needs to use it...a very last, the last resort.

As for civil stuff....gawd knows, not me.  I am aware he has creditors who will be right up his clacker and that one of his go to Banks, Deutches, has wiped him.  There are a zillion likely criminal charges, and I reckon that New York AG will have him for tax and bank fraud first cab off the rank.


Oh, Aussie, why would a prez privately pardon himself of a crime he has not yet been charged with, which he is sure to deny, and which he has no intention of revealling said pardon for?

The aim of the ex parte Garland pardon is pre-emptive. It prevents charges being laid. If Trump were to pull one out of his wallet, as it were, it would say to a judge, do you see? I must have done something wrong. I have, after all, pardoned myself.

Given self-pardons are untested in law, it would give judges even more reason to hear evidence and rule accordingly.

Ford's pardon was different. Nixon's crimes were on tape. A majority of Congress had already signalled their vote to impeach. Ford pardoned someone else (Nixon), for clear crimes in the criminal code.

Trump has committed such a spectrum of crimes, it would be impossible to pardon himself for any particular act. For Nixon, it was conspiracy to burglary and obstruction of justice.

Trump is Nixon on steroids. The only crime they haven't got on him is burglary. The firing of Comey is just one obstruction charge. There are countless others.
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