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Jan 16th, 2021 at 9:27pm
 

Throw in your opinions, mine may differ.

Toyota - Their petrol engines are very good, reliable, efficient. Their diesels are questionable.
The Automatics they use are good, generally Aisin brand.

Overall, great cars, a bit behind the 'curve' in technology. Good for NVH and the real world running.
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Reply #1 - Jan 16th, 2021 at 9:33pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 9:27pm:
Throw in your opinions, mine may differ.

Toyota - Their petrol engines are very good, reliable, efficient. Their diesels are questionable.
The Automatics they use are good, generally Aisin brand.

Overall, great cars, a bit behind the 'curve' in technology. Good for NVH and the real world running.


Toyota's reliability comes from them being generally conservative in implementing new tech. It's fun driving the stuff with the bleeding edge of tech innovation, but it also bights. I had a car with a very early dual-clutch, of the heartache!
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Reply #2 - Jan 16th, 2021 at 9:45pm
 
Hyundais/Kia.

Very good.
Their petrol engines may not have longevity, their diesels are better.
Their Auto transmissions are good - made in house !
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Reply #3 - Jan 16th, 2021 at 10:32pm
 

Peugeot

The French panache

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Reply #4 - Jan 17th, 2021 at 3:03pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 9:33pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 9:27pm:
Throw in your opinions, mine may differ.

Toyota - Their petrol engines are very good, reliable, efficient. Their diesels are questionable.
The Automatics they use are good, generally Aisin brand.

Overall, great cars, a bit behind the 'curve' in technology. Good for NVH and the real world running.


Toyota's reliability comes from them being generally conservative in implementing new tech. It's fun driving the stuff with the bleeding edge of tech innovation, but it also bights. I had a car with a very early dual-clutch, of the heartache!


Agree particularly when it comes to trannies
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Reply #5 - Jan 17th, 2021 at 3:50pm
 
That has the ring of truth to it ........

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.......... Not many new high output low cubic inch turbo diesel motors reach more than 300,000 with out serious $ issues but there will always be exceptions ( service and driver atitude). We cant expect miles like the old n/asperated landcruiser and patrol engines that are never stressed and just keep ploding along using more juice . Most turbos will need to be replaced at around 250,oook or some times a lot sooner . Small Turbo Engines with non direct injection with precombuston chambers often need head work around the 250,000 mark too.

Mate i would say if you look after your car there is no risk of expensive repairs after waranty . most cars are great for the first 10 years AND YES they can be reliable after 250000kms if money is spent on service and repaires as required. many high milage 4x4 have been taken to very remote places in Australia as the owners are less reluctant to take newer vehicles there and dent them or damage them when newer. you always have more fun with a older 4x4 unless you have a lot of money.       ........


https://forum.australia4wd.com/index.php?/topic/26675-is-the-22r-diesel-motor-re...
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Reply #6 - Jan 17th, 2021 at 3:56pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 9:27pm:
Throw in your opinions, mine may differ.

Toyota - Their petrol engines are very good, reliable, efficient. Their diesels are questionable.
The Automatics they use are good, generally Aisin brand.

Overall, great cars, a bit behind the 'curve' in technology. Good for NVH and the real world running.


I'd question the "questionable" in relation to their diesels...

The 1HD-FTE is generally (still) regarded as one of the best T/D I6 engines ever put in a passenger 4WD. The 1VD-FTE is a very good lump, and capable of serious (still under-stressed) power and torque, with a little "fettling".

There's a good reason even high kms T/D Landcruisers still go for a stack of money.

As someone else mentioned, they don't try and "bite off more than they can chew", eschewing "bleeding edge" for "steadfast reliable".

Plenty of Aisin Transmissions floating around in other cars, too.

Our 3.2 V6 Grand Vitara has a version of the same A750F transmission used in the 100-series Cruisers in it.

As for the Euros...many (very) highly desirable cars in that lot. But would you want to live with one - and their maintenance bills - day-to-day?

There's also a good reason many people move them on (for a new one) near or at the end of the warranty period...
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 10:32pm:


Ahhh, yes. French cars.

A bloke I knew took a payout from the Public Service years back, and joined an outsourced service provider (providing IT services to his old employer).

With part of that payout, he bought himself an expensive Peugeot.

Years later, I began using a work-from-home mechanic to help maintain our cars for stuff beyond the basic servicing I'd do. He happened to live next to the bloke mentioned above.

Took our car to the mechanic one day, and chanced a glance in the bloke's yard, and there was the Peugeot, effectively abandoned in the front yard with grass growing around it. Apparently, some mega-expensive part had failed, and the cost of obtaining the part and having it R&R'd, outweighed the residual value of the car at the time. By this stage, he'd "moved on" to a Lexus... Grin
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Mix_Master wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 4:03pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 10:32pm:


Ahhh, yes. French cars.

A bloke I knew took a payout from the Public Service years back, and joined an outsourced service provider (providing IT services to his old employer).

With part of that payout, he bought himself an expensive Peugeot.

Years later, I began using a work-from-home mechanic to help maintain our cars for stuff beyond the basic servicing I'd do. He happened to live next to the bloke mentioned above.

Took our car to the mechanic one day, and chanced a glance in the bloke's yard, and there was the Peugeot, effectively abandoned in the front yard with grass growing around it. Apparently, some mega-expensive part had failed, and the cost of obtaining the part and having it R&R'd, outweighed the residual value of the car at the time. By this stage, he'd "moved on" to a Lexus... Grin


yes, and in Australia getting parts from Europe can be problematic.
I was talking to a panel beater, he said he had a newish renault (I think) in his yard for repairs for 3 months.
Renault did not even answer his emails.

Get a 'normal' car, you get 'normal' repair bills ......

See, we are a weeny market very far away.
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Reply #10 - Jan 17th, 2021 at 4:37pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 9:27pm:
Throw in your opinions, mine may differ.

Toyota - Their petrol engines are very good, reliable, efficient. Their diesels are questionable.
The Automatics they use are good, generally Aisin brand.

Overall, great cars, a bit behind the 'curve' in technology. Good for NVH and the real world running.



I have many friends who love the Toyota Camry Altise.
Reliable and goes forever.


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I think Camry are designed for a demographic of people who are buying it as their last car and it will outlive them Smiley
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Reply #12 - Jan 17th, 2021 at 5:57pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 4:37pm:
..............  I have many friends who love the Toyota Camry Altise.
Reliable and goes forever.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/2013_Toyota_Camry_%28A...


Mine has 278,000 + kms on it.
Runs perfectly well, 4cyl rego, ins and economy, low NVH, spacious.

When people talk about high kms on a car, I am thinking over 200,000 kms.
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Reply #13 - Jan 17th, 2021 at 6:00pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 5:46pm:
I think Camry are designed for a demographic of people who are buying it as their last car and it will outlive them Smiley



Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 5:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 4:37pm:
..............  I have many friends who love the Toyota Camry Altise.
Reliable and goes forever.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/2013_Toyota_Camry_%28A...


Mine has 278,000 + kms on it.
Runs perfectly well, 4cyl rego, ins and economy, low NVH, spacious.

When people talk about high kms on a car, I am thinking over 200,000 kms.



They are great cars.
I drove a rental one from Melbourne to Albury-Wodonga & back.
It was a nice car.
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Reply #14 - Jan 17th, 2021 at 6:38pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 6:00pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 5:46pm:
I think Camry are designed for a demographic of people who are buying it as their last car and it will outlive them Smiley



Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 5:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 4:37pm:
..............  I have many friends who love the Toyota Camry Altise.
Reliable and goes forever.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/2013_Toyota_Camry_%28A...


Mine has 278,000 + kms on it.
Runs perfectly well, 4cyl rego, ins and economy, low NVH, spacious.

When people talk about high kms on a car, I am thinking over 200,000 kms.



They are great cars.
I drove a rental one from Melbourne to Albury-Wodonga & back.
It was a nice car.


They're good reliable cars but a little brown cardigan for me. Smiley
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