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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90218 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #255 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 10:47pm Sounds like a great argument to re-install a total Awards system, wherein everyone is on the same page and everyone can make a profit without all this Howardesque bullshit.
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Reply #256 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 9:29am

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:07pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 6:50pm:

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FD's claim substantiation almost always amounts to some variation of "because you can't prove it isn't so".

On this issue, I am falling back on: you cannot mount a coherent or rational counter-argument. I have not asked anyone for proof of anything. It seems that getting you to make sense is too much to ask.

no one needs to counter anything until you prove your claim is true. Until then, keep pissing in the wind. After all, it's worked wonders for you to date Grin

You do not need to respond at all John. And yet you feel compelled to. If unions destroying jobs is a simple, logical and obvious consequence of their actions, and all you can come back with is that there is no need for you to make sense until I prove it to you, I am more than happy to leave it at that.

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

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Sounds like a great argument to re-install a total Awards system, wherein everyone is on the same page and everyone can make a profit without all this Howardesque bullshit

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How would that be any different? And what about the people who, as a result, cannot get a job, and the businesses who cannot profitably employ them?

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #257 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 9:35am

Just accept it, freed - this one tried to take off without flaps and power....didn't make it off the end of the runway, skidded over a crowded highway and crashed into a petrol storage tank.

It's the most ridiculous argument ever put forward to justify Union-bashing, and a man of your intellect, education and morality should know that full well.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #258 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 12:33pm freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 9:29am: You do not need to respond at all John. And yet you feel compelled to I enjoy highlighting your stupidity.
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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #259 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 12:37pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 12:33pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 9:29am:

You do not need to respond at all John. And yet you feel compelled to

I enjoy highlighting your stupidity.

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #260 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 12:42pm

freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 12:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 12:33pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 9:29am:

You do not need to respond at all John. And yet you feel compelled to

I enjoy highlighting your stupidity.

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

what you think is irrelevant. This thread proves that. It's what you can prove that matters and so far you've come up well short. Grin

four years you've kept this thread going in the hope that someone will do what you're unable to do ... Four years. Even Bobby isn't that slow. Grin

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53050 At my desk.	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #261 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 12:55pm Quote: four years Can you even count?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #262 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 1:00pm freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 12:55pm: Quote: four years Can you even count? it won't help you either way
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #263 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 1:02pm A Hallmark moment... Ah, love... Not measured in years, but in the effort it takes to not fall out of it.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58263 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #264 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 1:37pm Union membership declined since the 1980s similarly to the reduction of the unemployment rate. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-work-hours/trade-union-mem...
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Reply #265 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 1:41pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 1:00pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 12:55pm:

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four years

Can you even count?

it won't help you either way Roll Eyes

Can you explain how what I think is relevant changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination? Or are you unsure whether wages and the number of people that businesses hire are relevant to wages and the number of people that businesses hire?

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #266 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 1:46pm

freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 1:41pm:

Can you explain how what I think is relevant changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire?

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 12:42pm:

what you think is irrelevant.
This thread proves that. It's what you can prove that matters and so far you've come up well short.

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #267 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 3:24pm

Is it getting hard to keep track of all the BS you spin John?

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 8:44am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 29^th, 2021 at 5:39pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2021 at 10:31am:

What if the unions somehow increased the cost of hiring people? Could that affect the number of people they hire?

depends on whether you think businesses hire people to do work that needs doing

or whether you think business will hire more people then they need just because they're on a discounted rate

Would you like to try answering the question John? Or do you actually think the answer depends on what I think?

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 11:53am:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 8:44am:

Would you like to try answering the question John?

I did answer the question fd .... and yes, I do think the answer you want depends on what you think

Now, I answered your question, how about you let me know which of the two scenarios I put up do you agree with the most?

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #268 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 5:12pm

freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 3:24pm:

Is it getting hard to keep track of all the BS you spin John?

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 8:44am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 29^th, 2021 at 5:39pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2021 at 10:31am:

What if the unions somehow increased the cost of hiring people? Could that affect the number of people they hire?

depends on whether you think businesses hire people to do work that needs doing

or whether you think business will hire more people then they need just because they're on a discounted rate

Would you like to try answering the question John? Or do you actually think the answer depends on what I think?

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 11:53am:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 8:44am:

Would you like to try answering the question John?

I did answer the question fd .... and yes, I do think the answer you want depends on what you think

Now, I answered your question, how about you let me know which of the two scenarios I put up do you agree with the most?

why are the two answers mutually exclusive FD?

there is no bs ...the answer you want depends on what you think. If I give you an answer that doesn't gel with that, you cry about the answer not being answered or make some dumb comment and then repeat the question waiting for someone to give an answer that gels with what you think. Having said that, what you think is irrelevant., Want you want means jack sh1t to my answer.

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #269 - Nov 7^th, 2021 at 7:36am

Frank wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 1:37pm:

Union membership declined since the 1980s similarly to the reduction of the unemployment rate.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-work-hours/trade-union-mem...

The increase in the insecure casualisation and part time employment i.e. underemployment and reduced incomes does not amount to a realistic decrease in the unemployment rate.

It’s just smoke and mirrors policy.

What’s needed is secure full time jobs that pay a living wage.

But employers are hell bent on reducing wages and to do so make people more desperate to take the rubbish jobs they offer.

It’s the very reason Unions exist.

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