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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #240 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:48pm freediver wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:28pm: Sure. Right after you name all the children that were never conceived. . So you've got nothing then? That's what I thought.
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Reply #241 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:03pm

Gnads wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 3:56pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:49am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 9:36pm:

No - not at all. It’s simply because you talk bs in circles with the end result being you’ve proven nothing, made no point albeit to espouse lies without substance.

All your union bashing is just ideological fabrication.

Do unions deny jobs to scabs?

Unions don’t deny anyone a job. Even scabs.

Are you a scab?… you sound like one.

Anyway stick this up your jacksie…..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2021-11-04/fair-work-rules-every-farm-worker-e...

So how do the unions stop scabs from getting a job without denying them a job? Isn't the whole point of labelling them a scab to assuage your guilt at denying them what should be a fundamental human right?

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So you've got nothing then? That's what I thought.

Pointing out your idiocy is enough.

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #242 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:57pm freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:03pm: Pointing out your idiocy is enough. fine, point it out. Show me all these jobs unions cost people. I suspect the pope will turn Islamic before that happens
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53050 At my desk.	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #243 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 8:52pm Quote: fine, point it out no problem. Here you go: Quote: Show me all these jobs unions cost people.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33345 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #244 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 6:17am freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 8:52pm: Quote: fine, point it out no problem. Here you go: Quote: Show me all these jobs unions cost people. Pathetic
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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #245 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 11:54am

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2021 at 9:19am:

Gandalf do you understand that this is no less juvenile than blaming the GFC, or a volcanic eruption, on whatever party happened to be in power at the time?

juvenile claim:

"Unions create unemployment" - by FD.

juvenile logic to "support" this juvenile claim:

" If you artificially increase wages, either through government or union action, the inevitable result is fewer jobs than there would have been if market forces had been left to run their course." - by FD.

Evidence? Zilch.

Evidence where "increasing wages, either through government or union action" produces the exact opposite effect of what FD claims: the 1983 union-negotiated accord - to name just one example.

If you are correct that union/government action to 'artificially' increase wages necessarily results in increased unemployment, then obviously things like a fall in unemployment after the 1983 accord (a clear case of unions and government artificially increasing wages) - should not happen. And yet it did. It is incumbent on you to explain why the exact opposite of what you claim will happen - happened. Simply hand waving it away with the irrelevant "correlation does not equal causation" throwaway line doesn't invalidate my refutation of your claim. Not one bit.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #246 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 12:03pm Quote: Unions create unemployment Yep by using collusion to artificially inflate the price of labour.
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90218 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #247 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 12:11pm Swagman wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 12:03pm: Quote: Unions create unemployment Yep by using collusion to artificially inflate the price of labour. Oh? And exactly how do they go about enforcing those higher prices of labour?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #248 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 12:21pm Grap, please don't ask Swag to expand on anything that goes beyond what he copies and pastes from his "cool sounding liberal party memes for dummies" cheat sheet. We don't want to embarrass him.
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Reply #249 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:05pm

Swagman wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 12:03pm:

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Unions create unemployment

Yep by using collusion to artificially inflate the price of labour.

Wages have been falling behind their market value for the last 40 + years, business collusion with government and industrial agencies has led to an artificial deflation of wages. ?

Unions have been largely sidelined by government regulation and restrictions making them mostly impotent and unable to provide badly needed balance to the equation.

The pendulum has been sitting on a shelf to the hard right for decades.

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Reply #250 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:12pm

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 8:52pm:

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fine, point it out

no problem. Here you go:

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Show me all these jobs unions cost people.

You know what, I actually agree. It is idiotic of me to expect you to support your claims. You'd think I would have learnt by now that you never back yourself with facts. Instead you rely on boring people with your stupidity to try and win an argument... Roll Eyes

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #251 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:14pm Swagman wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 12:03pm: Quote: Unions create unemployment Yep by using collusion to artificially inflate the price of labour. yes, I'm sure you read that in a text book somewhere .
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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #252 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:54pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:12pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 8:52pm:

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fine, point it out

no problem. Here you go:

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Show me all these jobs unions cost people.

You know what, I actually agree. It is idiotic of me to expect you to support your claims. You'd think I would have learnt by now that you never back yourself with facts. Instead you rely on boring people with your stupidity to try and win an argument... Roll Eyes

FD's claim substantiation almost always amounts to some variation of "because you can't prove it isn't so". That is if his argument even gets that far. Mostly debates with him don't advance beyond waving his hand and saying "I'm right because its a statement of the bleeding obvious" and calling everyone a liar who disagrees with him.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53050 At my desk.	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #253 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 6:50pm Quote: FD's claim substantiation almost always amounts to some variation of "because you can't prove it isn't so". On this issue, I am falling back on: you cannot mount a coherent or rational counter-argument. I have not asked anyone for proof of anything. It seems that getting you to make sense is too much to ask.
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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #254 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:07pm

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 6:50pm:

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FD's claim substantiation almost always amounts to some variation of "because you can't prove it isn't so".

On this issue, I am falling back on: you cannot mount a coherent or rational counter-argument. I have not asked anyone for proof of anything. It seems that getting you to make sense is too much to ask.

no one needs to counter anything until you prove your claim is true. Until then, keep pissing in the wind. After all, it's worked wonders for you to date Grin

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