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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33359 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #225 - Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:20pm Quote: There’s no such thing as permanent casual. What we have instead is employers refusing to give Permanent jobs to workers. Then we have people like FD who think paying a Gina Rinehart inspired wage of $2 an hour creates employment. He’s lower than snake balls.
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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #226 - Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:23pm

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:13pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 6:22pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 6:28am:

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:31pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:18am:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:04pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 12:08pm:

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and yes, I do think the answer you want depends on what you think

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

care to answer my question?

Not if it makes no sense.

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

So you think it reasonable to deny a worker a living wage so employers can pay less and that will encourage them to put more staff on?

It’s already been proven to be not the case When weekend penalty rates were slashed it did not create any more employment.

The same staff are simply expected to work for less.

You should cease the charade that you have a point to make.

The unions are the only ones arguing it is reasonable to deny people a job.

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Everyone disagrees with your assertion

Wow. The unions speak for everyone and no-one at the same time. Do you have your own opinion, or do you go along with what "everyone" thinks?

That’s a bald faced lie… why do you keep telling such lies?

It's true. For example, you probably don't even realise you are supporting the denial of the right to work with comments like this:

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What you’re encouraging is scab labour and employers to pay below the regulated rates.

Not only do you want to deny them a job, you want to insult them for trying to get one.

Absolute BS

Can you explain why, or is this where you cover your ears and chant union propaganda?

Speaking o& propaganda you’re oozing it.

And no it’s up to you to irrefutably prove Unions cause unemployment…. Because all you espouse is methods of deception, lies and exploitation.

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #227 - Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:36am

Neo liberal free market economics has created the situation where young people today bear the brunt of income taxes coupled with stagnant wages and because of the rich with their property investment, negative gearing and franking credits plus tax write off's has made housing affordability out of reach for most of the young people struggling with low wages..

It was neo liberalism in search of cheap Labour that went looking to China and India, 3rd & 2nd world countries for workers in their industries, resulting in manufacturing being off shore while collapsing the domestic market creating unemployment and poverty in the west.

Now the Neo Liberal RW Hawks want to have a war on China because it has become too powerful in their eyes and now act frightened by Chinas power economically and militarily.

This wasn't the machinations of Unions....it was Neo Liberalism that is now borderline proto fascism.

Reap what you sow.

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #228 - Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:19am

Gnads wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:23pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:13pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 6:22pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 6:28am:

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:31pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:18am:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:04pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 12:08pm:

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and yes, I do think the answer you want depends on what you think

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

care to answer my question?

Not if it makes no sense.

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

So you think it reasonable to deny a worker a living wage so employers can pay less and that will encourage them to put more staff on?

It’s already been proven to be not the case When weekend penalty rates were slashed it did not create any more employment.

The same staff are simply expected to work for less.

You should cease the charade that you have a point to make.

The unions are the only ones arguing it is reasonable to deny people a job.

Quote:

Everyone disagrees with your assertion

Wow. The unions speak for everyone and no-one at the same time. Do you have your own opinion, or do you go along with what "everyone" thinks?

That’s a bald faced lie… why do you keep telling such lies?

It's true. For example, you probably don't even realise you are supporting the denial of the right to work with comments like this:

Quote:

What you’re encouraging is scab labour and employers to pay below the regulated rates.

Not only do you want to deny them a job, you want to insult them for trying to get one.

Absolute BS

Can you explain why, or is this where you cover your ears and chant union propaganda?

Speaking o& propaganda you’re oozing it.

And no it’s up to you to irrefutably prove Unions cause unemployment…. Because all you espouse is methods of deception, lies and exploitation.

I'm not asking you to prove anything. I am asking you to make sense.

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #229 - Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:10am

Gnads wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:20pm:

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There’s no such thing as permanent casual.

What we have instead is employers refusing to give Permanent jobs to workers.

Then we have people like FD who think paying a Gina Rinehart inspired wage of $2 an hour creates employment.

He’s lower than snake balls.

Gina is always welcome to move to Darkest Africa and work with the locals and pay $2 a day or whatever.... good riddance.... I'd pay the head-hunters $10 a head.... stupid, stupid woman handed money unearned that came from the Robber Baron leftovers that permitted her father to stake out masses of ALREADY KNOWN DEPOSITS.... hello - the Japanese wanted to build steel making facilities in the Kimberley region in the late 1920s for exactly that reason... got that yet?

The Fix Was In over there in the Wild West between the Usual Suspect Old Mates, and it is clear those resources should properly have become property of the people and state long before Old Lang says he spotted them while flying over them... got that?

On $2 an hour here, utter starvation wages, there would be no flow-on jobs and thus near total unemployment.... swapping produce, criminality, etc would thrive and the inevitable result would be revolution

(why do you imagine Howard went after the guns in the community held by honest people? All proto-Fascists are the same - well aware that they must cover their own arse by rendering the populace powerless - hence the never-ending assaults on men)

... when people have barely enough to survive, businesses do not thrive and thus do not employ people..... and soon all will live in grass huts ... no trade - no business.....

Silly argument from start to finish...

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #230 - Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 5:09pm

freediver wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:19am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:23pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:13pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 6:22pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 6:28am:

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:31pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:18am:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:04pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 12:08pm:

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and yes, I do think the answer you want depends on what you think

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

care to answer my question?

Not if it makes no sense.

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

So you think it reasonable to deny a worker a living wage so employers can pay less and that will encourage them to put more staff on?

It’s already been proven to be not the case When weekend penalty rates were slashed it did not create any more employment.

The same staff are simply expected to work for less.

You should cease the charade that you have a point to make.

The unions are the only ones arguing it is reasonable to deny people a job.

Quote:

Everyone disagrees with your assertion

Wow. The unions speak for everyone and no-one at the same time. Do you have your own opinion, or do you go along with what "everyone" thinks?

That’s a bald faced lie… why do you keep telling such lies?

It's true. For example, you probably don't even realise you are supporting the denial of the right to work with comments like this:

Quote:

What you’re encouraging is scab labour and employers to pay below the regulated rates.

Not only do you want to deny them a job, you want to insult them for trying to get one.

Absolute BS

Can you explain why, or is this where you cover your ears and chant union propaganda?

Speaking o& propaganda you’re oozing it.

And no it’s up to you to irrefutably prove Unions cause unemployment…. Because all you espouse is methods of deception, lies and exploitation.

I'm not asking you to prove anything. I am asking you to make sense.

At the end of the day there’s only 2 words for you

KCUF OFF.

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #231 - Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 5:19pm

Oh - I see - that's why St Dominic De Droit was just up spouting off that NSW has a shortage of skilled tradespersons etc...

Nothing to do with Covid or a startup or long-running government malfeasance in destroying trade opportunities by killing off TAFE.. that bloody socialist organisation..

The Unions Did It!!!

Stoopid is as stoopid does, sah - things used to work well.... now all around is chaos and madness.... and they want to make that worse by bringing in more and more Outlanders....

WALOBS.....

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #232 - Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:00pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:13pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:11pm:

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No unions do not destroy any jobs at all. Unions would not even be involved.

What about the jobs that get destroyed because of increased wages?

such as?

so after banging your drums over all the jobs unions cost for several years now, you can't name any jobs that unions cost everyone? Grin

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Reply #233 - Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:03pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 5:19pm:

Oh - I see - that's why St Dominic De Droit was just up spouting off that NSW has a shortage of skilled tradespersons etc...

Nothing to do with Covid or a startup or long-running government malfeasance in destroying trade opportunities by killing off TAFE.. that bloody socialist organisation..

The Unions Did It!!!

Stoopid is as stoopid does, sah - things used to work well.... now all around is chaos and madness.... and they want to make that worse by bringing in more and more Outlanders....

WALOBS.....

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De Droit was just up spouting off that NSW has a shortage of skilled tradespersons etc...

Funny how 4 decades of not training people will produce this result.

Who woulda thunk that ?

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #234 - Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:46pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:03pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 5:19pm:

Oh - I see - that's why St Dominic De Droit was just up spouting off that NSW has a shortage of skilled tradespersons etc...

Nothing to do with Covid or a startup or long-running government malfeasance in destroying trade opportunities by killing off TAFE.. that bloody socialist organisation..

The Unions Did It!!!

Stoopid is as stoopid does, sah - things used to work well.... now all around is chaos and madness.... and they want to make that worse by bringing in more and more Outlanders....

WALOBS.....

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De Droit was just up spouting off that NSW has a shortage of skilled tradespersons etc...

Funny how 4 decades of not training people will produce this result.

Who woulda thunk that ?

When ah were a kid, even the mighty BHP benefited mightily from this socialist TAFE, in training all of its tradesmen - they didn't object... sure .... there were fees, but those were miniscule compared to the 'private educators'.... with their own in-house training and TAFE they turned out pretty good tradesmen.

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #235 - Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:28pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:13pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:11pm:

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No unions do not destroy any jobs at all. Unions would not even be involved.

What about the jobs that get destroyed because of increased wages?

such as?

so after banging your drums over all the jobs unions cost for several years now, you can't name any jobs that unions cost everyone? Grin

Sure. Right after you name all the children that were never conceived.

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

Gnads wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 5:09pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:19am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:23pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:13pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 6:22pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 6:28am:

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:31pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:18am:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:04pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 12:08pm:

Quote:

and yes, I do think the answer you want depends on what you think

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

care to answer my question?

Not if it makes no sense.

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

So you think it reasonable to deny a worker a living wage so employers can pay less and that will encourage them to put more staff on?

It’s already been proven to be not the case When weekend penalty rates were slashed it did not create any more employment.

The same staff are simply expected to work for less.

You should cease the charade that you have a point to make.

The unions are the only ones arguing it is reasonable to deny people a job.

Quote:

Everyone disagrees with your assertion

Wow. The unions speak for everyone and no-one at the same time. Do you have your own opinion, or do you go along with what "everyone" thinks?

That’s a bald faced lie… why do you keep telling such lies?

It's true. For example, you probably don't even realise you are supporting the denial of the right to work with comments like this:

Quote:

What you’re encouraging is scab labour and employers to pay below the regulated rates.

Not only do you want to deny them a job, you want to insult them for trying to get one.

Absolute BS

Can you explain why, or is this where you cover your ears and chant union propaganda?

Speaking o& propaganda you’re oozing it.

And no it’s up to you to irrefutably prove Unions cause unemployment…. Because all you espouse is methods of deception, lies and exploitation.

I'm not asking you to prove anything. I am asking you to make sense.

At the end of the day there’s only 2 words for you

KCUF OFF.

Are you getting upset because you are finally starting to realise that the unions have tricked you into destroying jobs and blaming your victims for their unemployment? If the unions are so wonderful, why do they make you dehumanise your fellow man for the 'crime' of wanting to earn a living? You are the real scab, denying someone else a job so you can have a few dollars more.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33359 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #236 - Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 9:36pm No - not at all. It’s simply because you talk bs in circles with the end result being you’ve proven nothing, made no point albeit to espouse lies without substance. All your union bashing is just ideological fabrication.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61678 Here Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #237 - Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 10:35pm Business destroys many more Jobs than unions ever could.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53052 At my desk.	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #238 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:49am Gnads wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 9:36pm: No - not at all. It’s simply because you talk bs in circles with the end result being you’ve proven nothing, made no point albeit to espouse lies without substance. All your union bashing is just ideological fabrication. Do unions deny jobs to scabs?
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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #239 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 3:56pm

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:49am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 9:36pm:

No - not at all. It’s simply because you talk bs in circles with the end result being you’ve proven nothing, made no point albeit to espouse lies without substance.

All your union bashing is just ideological fabrication.

Do unions deny jobs to scabs?

Unions don’t deny anyone a job. Even scabs.

Are you a scab?… you sound like one.

Anyway stick this up your jacksie…..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2021-11-04/fair-work-rules-every-farm-worker-e...

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