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Reply #60 - Jul 8^th, 2020 at 5:42pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2020 at 5:35pm:

The fact some American's cannot see a problem honouring slave traders and racists is the issue....America should celebrate it's freedom and diversity and not promote the race hate that has simmered under the surface of American society....The problem with Kristi Noem's rant is that by ignoring the facts you can make anyone a hero and pretend it is okay to worship ass holes!!!

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Blow up the pyramids, then, eh?

The Dems are the party of the slavers, they are the party of the Confederates. The Republicans are the party of emancipation. Trump is a Republican president.

Clinton and Kenyassa O'Bama were in the WH for a combined 16 years. What did they do to cleanse their party of its slave-holding history? Why leave it to Trump? Because you numpties are full of rancour and resentment and have no other contribution to make to public life.

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Reply #61 - Jul 8^th, 2020 at 5:51pm

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2020 at 5:42pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2020 at 5:35pm:

The fact some American's cannot see a problem honouring slave traders and racists is the issue....America should celebrate it's freedom and diversity and not promote the race hate that has simmered under the surface of American society....The problem with Kristi Noem's rant is that by ignoring the facts you can make anyone a hero and pretend it is okay to worship ass holes!!!

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Blow up the pyramids, then, eh?

What do the pyramids have to do with modern America....Got any more straw-men mate???

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Reply #62 - Jul 8^th, 2020 at 6:24pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2020 at 5:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2020 at 5:42pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2020 at 5:35pm:

The fact some American's cannot see a problem honouring slave traders and racists is the issue....America should celebrate it's freedom and diversity and not promote the race hate that has simmered under the surface of American society....The problem with Kristi Noem's rant is that by ignoring the facts you can make anyone a hero and pretend it is okay to worship ass holes!!!

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Blow up the pyramids, then, eh?

What do the pyramids have to do with modern America....Got any more straw-men mate???

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Is this about blacks and slavery or just America and Trump?

Trump.

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Reply #63 - Jul 8^th, 2020 at 6:43pm

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2020 at 5:17pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8^th, 2020 at 4:15pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2020 at 3:22pm:

FD wrote on Jul 7^th, 2020 at 11:42pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 7^th, 2020 at 9:57pm:

FD wrote on Jul 7^th, 2020 at 4:29pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2020 at 4:21pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7^th, 2020 at 3:50pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 7^th, 2020 at 1:42pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7^th, 2020 at 12:09pm:

I don't think you understand what Godwin's law is, or you know and are just exploiting it to avoid the point that was being made.

Trump is not being compared to the Nazi's, the comparison is to Germany, today, and how they've dealt with their terrible history, vs Trump.

There is a difference.

You're comparing the southern states to the nazis to justify the erasure of history under the guise of BLM.

Trump - and Macron, interestingly - stood up to your Year Zero barbarism.

Hardly...

You're conflating statues with history, Germany is a great example of how to deal with a history the county isn't proud of.

Germany wouldn't have got to where they are today without the United States first defeating the Nazis and then assisting Germany to recover

Why are you making comparisons between Nazi Germany and the United States?

Good point. Why shouldn't we stick a few statues of Southern slave-traders over there? I'm surprised Mr Trump didn't raise it with Merkel in their last call.

They are still talking, aren't they?

Why are you conflating the US with Nazi Germany, lying, dishonest cockwomble Paki?

That's the Q. And it IS a Q, shity paky fvky.

Good Q, dear boy. Shity paky fvky.

Do you mind if I save this one for later?

Yeah, shove it up your khyber pass any time, Paki, you know you want to.

ALso, don't forget to address the question - highlighted.

The comparison was the US and their handling of their history with Germany and theirs.

There was no Nazi comparison.

You are not smart enough for this, don't try.

What 'terrible histories' are you trying to compare? You are implying that the Confederate history of the US and the Nazi history of Germany are somehow requiring a similar response and there is a lot of tut tutting to be done about the US - and TRUMP, of course - for not imitating Germany regarding its history. So you are inviting us to think that somehow the US - and Trump - should be dealing with its history as Germany dealt with its Nazi past.

You do realise that the Democratic Party was the party of the Confederacy and it bitterly opposed the emancipation of slaves. It was the Democratic Party that was the great supporter of SA apartheid policies since they resembled what the Dems stood for - segregation. It relented only in the 1960s.

So maybe as the Germans de-nazified Germany, Trump should de-Democratify the US. Is that what you are driving at?

You didn't notice that the US political party's switched completely since the 1700's. How many southern states are currently democrat ? Not many if any and it has been like that for a very long time. Yes even Trumps Granddad had a white hood not a surprise when even Trump declares the white supremacists to be good people is it?

People seem to think he does it for the votes but it very likely goes a lot deeper.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13715 Armidale Gender:	Re: The Founding Fathers ideals and hopes eulogised Reply #64 - Jul 8^th, 2020 at 6:47pm Pyramids didn't have slave labour. They had a North South Civil War but no-one knows where the generals' statues are.
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Reply #65 - Jul 9^th, 2020 at 3:07pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 8^th, 2020 at 6:43pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2020 at 5:17pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8^th, 2020 at 4:15pm:

[quote author=Frank link=1593988581/55#55 date=1594185767]

The comparison was the US and their handling of their history with Germany and theirs.

There was no Nazi comparison.

You are not smart enough for this, don't try.

What 'terrible histories' are you trying to compare? You are implying that the Confederate history of the US and the Nazi history of Germany are somehow requiring a similar response and there is a lot of tut tutting to be done about the US - and TRUMP, of course - for not imitating Germany regarding its history. So you are inviting us to think that somehow the US - and Trump - should be dealing with its history as Germany dealt with its Nazi past.

You do realise that the Democratic Party was the party of the Confederacy and it bitterly opposed the emancipation of slaves. It was the Democratic Party that was the great supporter of SA apartheid policies since they resembled what the Dems stood for - segregation. It relented only in the 1960s.

So maybe as the Germans de-nazified Germany, Trump should de-Democratify the US. Is that what you are driving at?

You didn't notice that the US political party's switched completely since the 1700's. How many southern states are currently democrat ? Not many if any and it has been like that for a very long time. Yes even Trumps Granddad had a white hood not a surprise when even Trump declares the white supremacists to be good people is it?

People seem to think he does it for the votes but it very likely goes a lot deeper.

Your sense of time is very confused.

The Democratic Party was founded in the early 1800s. The Civil War between the Confederates (Dems) and Unioists (emancipator Republicans) ended in 1865. The SOuth continued to be strongly Democratic into the 1960s when racial segregation ended there, finally.

Your KKK smear is stupid and Trump never declared white supremacists good people. You are talking confused shite, pluck-a-duck. Bwianesque.

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Reply #66 - Jul 9^th, 2020 at 4:28pm

Slavery was an accepted part of global civilization for thousands of years.

The African black tribes / societies whatever, all practiced catching other black people and either keeping them as slave labour, or sold them on the slave market.

Where are the cries of disdain for the black tribes / societies who were a main stay of the slavery market?

The muslims all caught and either kept them as slaves, or sold the African blacks on the slave market.

The muzzies were right into the eunuch slave trade. It is estimated the up to 80% of those blacks who were castrated on the body line of their penis and scrotum, the trauma of such a barbaric practice was just too much for the vast majority of the black male slaves, so 80% of them died.

Where are the cries of hatred of the muslim slave trade?

No where does the sick loony left speak about the pain and suffering the blacks themselves inflicted, or the depraved practices of the muslims.

Why?

Because the whole thing is a farce, they are only interested in one thing, provoking hatred of the white race.

A bunch of sick hypocritical liars, would describe the blm followers.

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Reply #67 - Jul 9^th, 2020 at 5:26pm

"Tippu Tip (1832 – 1905) Hamad bin Muhammad bin Juma bin Rajab el Murjebi (Arabic: حمد بن محمد بن جمعة بن رجب بن محمد بن سعيد المرجبي‎), was an Afro-Arab slave trader, ivory trader, explorer, plantation owner and governor. He worked for a succession of the sultans of Zanzibar. Tippu Tip traded in slaves for Zanzibar's clove plantations. As part of the large and lucrative ivory trade, he led many trading expeditions into Central Africa, constructing profitable trading posts deep into the region. "

He died in Stone Town but has no statue . He has no statue in London, Washington or Scomo land. Scomo has no slaves and no statue , so far.

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Reply #68 - Jul 9^th, 2020 at 6:12pm

chimera wrote on Jul 9^th, 2020 at 5:26pm:

"Tippu Tip (1832 – 1905) Hamad bin Muhammad bin Juma bin Rajab el Murjebi (Arabic: حمد بن محمد بن جمعة بن رجب بن محمد بن سعيد المرجبي‎), was an Afro-Arab slave trader, ivory trader, explorer, plantation owner and governor. He worked for a succession of the sultans of Zanzibar. Tippu Tip traded in slaves for Zanzibar's clove plantations. As part of the large and lucrative ivory trade, he led many trading expeditions into Central Africa, constructing profitable trading posts deep into the region. "

He died in Stone Town but has no statue . He has no statue in London, Washington or Scomo land. Scomo has no slaves and no statue , so far.

Good point, Chimera. Perhaps Moses is suggesting we honour the Muslim slave traders too.

Thoughts?

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Reply #70 - Jul 9^th, 2020 at 6:53pm

At least moses isn't afraid of telling it like it is / was.

The Afro blacks caused more pain and misery to black Africans than the dreaded whitey.

The muzzies were right up there with the black slavers, when it comes to who inflicted the most pain and misery on the African blacks.

Never once does the loony left acknowledge the human rights atrocities inflicted by muzzies and African blacks.

Why?

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Reply #71 - Jul 9^th, 2020 at 6:56pm

Richdude wrote on Jul 7^th, 2020 at 9:28am:

Auggie wrote on Jul 6^th, 2020 at 8:10pm:

chimera wrote on Jul 6^th, 2020 at 7:56pm:

The rioters are wrecking the American Revolution. It needs peaceful submission to the rightful owners , Mrs Elizabeth Windsor and Son.

The so-called 'Revolution' was actually a Civil War - the First American Civil War - between the colonists and the loyalists.

That it was a 'Revolution' is a farce which the America media and mythos has perpetuated.

Very true - it was between the colonist (ie Americans) and loyalists - who were just fronts for King George.

American wanted independence - their own representatives that they paid taxes for and didn't get.

The American revolution introduced a fair and just system. A system of government that allowed people to use their God given talents to produce the most successful nation in history.

And now the unhappy retarded ones want to return to the age old system of tyranny and the American experiment will be over.

Well, you know the British had to finance debts from a costly war with France.

As a pro-American, are you saying that you would've preferred 'taxation with representation' under the French crown?

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Reply #72 - Jul 9^th, 2020 at 6:59pm

moses wrote on Jul 9^th, 2020 at 4:28pm:

Slavery was an accepted part of global civilization for thousands of years.

The African black tribes / societies whatever, all practiced catching other black people and either keeping them as slave labour, or sold them on the slave market.

Where are the cries of disdain for the black tribes / societies who were a main stay of the slavery market?

The muslims all caught and either kept them as slaves, or sold the African blacks on the slave market.

The muzzies were right into the eunuch slave trade. It is estimated the up to 80% of those blacks who were castrated on the body line of their penis and scrotum, the trauma of such a barbaric practice was just too much for the vast majority of the black male slaves, so 80% of them died.

Where are the cries of hatred of the muslim slave trade?

No where does the sick loony left speak about the pain and suffering the blacks themselves inflicted, or the depraved practices of the muslims.

Why?

Because the whole thing is a farce, they are only interested in one thing, provoking hatred of the white race.

A bunch of sick hypocritical liars, would describe the blm followers.

Britain and France abolished slavery much earlier than the United States did. In addition, the United States was the only Western nation at the time that was practising slavery on home territory - Britain and France practised it in their colonies not in Britain or France.

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Reply #73 - Jul 9^th, 2020 at 7:01pm

moses wrote on Jul 9^th, 2020 at 6:53pm:

At least moses isn't afraid of telling it like it is / was.

The Afro blacks caused more pain and misery to black Africans than the dreaded whitey.

The muzzies were right up there with the black slavers, when it comes to who inflicted the most pain and misery on the African blacks.

Never once does the loony left acknowledge the human rights atrocities inflicted by muzzies and African blacks.

Why?

Why do you completely disregard history? You know, after the Civil War, there was a period known as 'Reconstruction'. Fortunately, the radical republicans enforced radical reconstruction - giving blacks complete equality in all areas of society and enforcing criminal codes against blacks.

What disrupted this? The great sell out for political gain.

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