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Reply #45 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 6:31pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:21pm:
Germany wouldn't have got to where they are today without the United States first defeating the Nazis and then assisting Germany to recover



The US stayed out while grinding Japan down with sanctions. When Japan reacted the US was outraged and declared war on the emperor. There was the matter of the Nazis so the US reluctantly got its Germans organised to hit D-Day in the greatest extravaganza Holywood has seen. Then poured in cash to say sorry, ich bin ein Berliner sausage.* a jelly-filled doughnut .
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Reply #46 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 7:00pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 5:54pm:

Neo-Marxist doctrine and methods are indefensible in an arena of reasoned debate.

Condensed, their methods and precepts amount to:

"Let us do evil, so that good may come."






Q.
Do the neo-Marxist BLM in the U.S. [and those who support that movement], support:

1) Tearing down statues of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson & Abraham Lincoln?
2) Destroying Mt. Rushmore?
3) Abolishing the police?
4) Acquiescing to ‘autonomous’ lawless zones like CHAZ/CHOP?
5) ANTIFA mob violence?”


If the response is to the affirmative,    ...to what purpose ???!


That item list pilfered by Yadda from;
https://www.dailywire.com/news/cruz-says-democrats-support-hard-left-aoc-taunts-...






More public comment about the consequences of people ceding to BLM agendas in the political public space....

11-Year-Old Black Child Shot And Killed After ‘Anti-Violence’ Cookout; Grandfather: ‘We Need More Police’
By  Amanda Prestigiacomo
Jul 7th, 2020

https://www.dailywire.com/news/11-year-old-black-child-shot-and-killed-after-ant...


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Re: The Founding Fathers ideals and hopes eulogised
Reply #47 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 9:39pm
 
chimera wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 6:31pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:21pm:
Germany wouldn't have got to where they are today without the United States first defeating the Nazis and then assisting Germany to recover



The US stayed out while grinding Japan down with sanctions. When Japan reacted the US was outraged and declared war on the emperor. There was the matter of the Nazis so the US reluctantly got its Germans organised to hit D-Day in the greatest extravaganza Holywood has seen. Then poured in cash to say sorry, ich bin ein Berliner sausage.* a jelly-filled doughnut .


They drooped a coupla nuclear sanctions from memory ?
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Reply #48 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 9:40pm
 
But not on das volken fur Amerika.
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Reply #49 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 9:46pm
 
FD wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:29pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:21pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 3:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 1:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 12:09pm:
I don't think you understand what Godwin's law is, or you know and are just exploiting it to avoid the point that was being made.

Trump is not being compared to the Nazi's, the comparison is to Germany, today, and how they've dealt with their terrible history, vs Trump.

There is a difference.

You're comparing the southern states to the nazis to justify the erasure of history under the guise of BLM.

Trump - and Macron, interestingly - stood up to your Year Zero barbarism.





Hardly...

You're conflating statues with history, Germany is a great example of how to deal with a history the county isn't proud of.


Germany wouldn't have got to where they are today without the United States first defeating the Nazis and then assisting Germany to recover

Why are you making comparisons between Nazi Germany and the United States?


Good point. Why shouldn't we stick a few statues of Southern slave-traders over there? I'm surprised Mr Trump didn't raise it with Merkel in their last call.

They are still talking, aren't they?

You are a f vkwit, paki,  as is sad roo scrotum, that's  why.

American history is not German history.
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Reply #50 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 9:55pm
 
Imagine the hide to talk about Ideals at a trump rally ?

Those silly republicans think people will swallow anything.
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Re: The Founding Fathers ideals and hopes eulogised
Reply #51 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 9:57pm
 
FD wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:29pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:21pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 3:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 1:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 12:09pm:
I don't think you understand what Godwin's law is, or you know and are just exploiting it to avoid the point that was being made.

Trump is not being compared to the Nazi's, the comparison is to Germany, today, and how they've dealt with their terrible history, vs Trump.

There is a difference.

You're comparing the southern states to the nazis to justify the erasure of history under the guise of BLM.

Trump - and Macron, interestingly - stood up to your Year Zero barbarism.





Hardly...

You're conflating statues with history, Germany is a great example of how to deal with a history the county isn't proud of.


Germany wouldn't have got to where they are today without the United States first defeating the Nazis and then assisting Germany to recover

Why are you making comparisons between Nazi Germany and the United States?


Good point. Why shouldn't we stick a few statues of Southern slave-traders over there? I'm surprised Mr Trump didn't raise it with Merkel in their last call.

They are still talking, aren't they?

Why are you conflating the US with Nazi Germany, lying, dishonest cockwomble Paki?

That's the Q. And it IS a Q, shity paky fvky.

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Re: The Founding Fathers ideals and hopes eulogised
Reply #52 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 9:59pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 9:55pm:
Imagine the hide to talk about Ideals at a trump rally ?

Those silly republicans think people will swallow anything.

Well, you have been swallowing far more than your fair share.
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Reply #53 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 11:42pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 9:57pm:
FD wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:29pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:21pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 3:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 1:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 12:09pm:
I don't think you understand what Godwin's law is, or you know and are just exploiting it to avoid the point that was being made.

Trump is not being compared to the Nazi's, the comparison is to Germany, today, and how they've dealt with their terrible history, vs Trump.

There is a difference.

You're comparing the southern states to the nazis to justify the erasure of history under the guise of BLM.

Trump - and Macron, interestingly - stood up to your Year Zero barbarism.





Hardly...

You're conflating statues with history, Germany is a great example of how to deal with a history the county isn't proud of.


Germany wouldn't have got to where they are today without the United States first defeating the Nazis and then assisting Germany to recover

Why are you making comparisons between Nazi Germany and the United States?


Good point. Why shouldn't we stick a few statues of Southern slave-traders over there? I'm surprised Mr Trump didn't raise it with Merkel in their last call.

They are still talking, aren't they?

Why are you conflating the US with Nazi Germany, lying, dishonest cockwomble Paki?

That's the Q. And it IS a Q, shity paky fvky.



Good Q, dear boy. Shity paky fvky.

Do you mind if I save this one for later?

I've a good mind to enter it in the Eurovision Song Contest.

Special Needs category, of course.
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Reply #54 - Jul 8th, 2020 at 7:37am
 
Pakistani superstar Najam Sheraz  will be at the Bulgarian semifinal with a  Punjabi song Shty Paki Fvky "Don't Break My Heart". If the song represents Bulgaria in Moscow at the Eurovision Song Contest it will be first time a Punjabi song uses artificial intelligence (AI) programs with  songs and audio from koalas, kookaburras, and Tasmanian devils .
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Re: The Founding Fathers ideals and hopes eulogised
Reply #55 - Jul 8th, 2020 at 3:22pm
 
FD wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 11:42pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 9:57pm:
FD wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:29pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:21pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 3:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 1:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 12:09pm:
I don't think you understand what Godwin's law is, or you know and are just exploiting it to avoid the point that was being made.

Trump is not being compared to the Nazi's, the comparison is to Germany, today, and how they've dealt with their terrible history, vs Trump.

There is a difference.

You're comparing the southern states to the nazis to justify the erasure of history under the guise of BLM.

Trump - and Macron, interestingly - stood up to your Year Zero barbarism.





Hardly...

You're conflating statues with history, Germany is a great example of how to deal with a history the county isn't proud of.


Germany wouldn't have got to where they are today without the United States first defeating the Nazis and then assisting Germany to recover

Why are you making comparisons between Nazi Germany and the United States?


Good point. Why shouldn't we stick a few statues of Southern slave-traders over there? I'm surprised Mr Trump didn't raise it with Merkel in their last call.

They are still talking, aren't they?

Why are you conflating the US with Nazi Germany, lying, dishonest cockwomble Paki?

That's the Q. And it IS a Q, shity paky fvky.



Good Q, dear boy. Shity paky fvky.

Do you mind if I save this one for later?




Yeah, shove it up your khyber pass any time, Paki, you know you want to.

ALso, don't forget to address the question - highlighted.

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Re: The Founding Fathers ideals and hopes eulogised
Reply #56 - Jul 8th, 2020 at 4:15pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 8th, 2020 at 3:22pm:
FD wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 11:42pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 9:57pm:
FD wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:29pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:21pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 3:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 1:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 12:09pm:
I don't think you understand what Godwin's law is, or you know and are just exploiting it to avoid the point that was being made.

Trump is not being compared to the Nazi's, the comparison is to Germany, today, and how they've dealt with their terrible history, vs Trump.

There is a difference.

You're comparing the southern states to the nazis to justify the erasure of history under the guise of BLM.

Trump - and Macron, interestingly - stood up to your Year Zero barbarism.





Hardly...

You're conflating statues with history, Germany is a great example of how to deal with a history the county isn't proud of.


Germany wouldn't have got to where they are today without the United States first defeating the Nazis and then assisting Germany to recover

Why are you making comparisons between Nazi Germany and the United States?


Good point. Why shouldn't we stick a few statues of Southern slave-traders over there? I'm surprised Mr Trump didn't raise it with Merkel in their last call.

They are still talking, aren't they?

Why are you conflating the US with Nazi Germany, lying, dishonest cockwomble Paki?

That's the Q. And it IS a Q, shity paky fvky.



Good Q, dear boy. Shity paky fvky.

Do you mind if I save this one for later?




Yeah, shove it up your khyber pass any time, Paki, you know you want to.

ALso, don't forget to address the question - highlighted.



The comparison was the US and their handling of their history with Germany and theirs.

There was no Nazi comparison.

You and your fellow tards are only making that claim to pretend you're the victims of Godwin's Law (surprise surprise, conservatives playing the victim again, snowflake need a safe space?) so you don't have to deal with the fact that removing statues, especially those that were erected with the purpose to send a very clear message to Black Americans at the time, doesn't erase history and the right thing to do would not have been to put them un in the first place as other countries have been smart enough to figure out, like Germany.

The Confederacy were traitors who were fighting against States right's when it came to making laws that protected slaves and their freedom.  They are not worth honouring with statues, they are not worth admiration for their "bravery" and the racially charged messages the erections of their statues were purposed for, have no place in today's society.

And it's the same for their war flags.

You can bitch and moan all you like, but Germany has shown a great example of how you can deal with a past that has no place in today's world.

Just because you're looking for an out to avoid discussion doesn't make your claim valid.
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Reply #57 - Jul 8th, 2020 at 4:28pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 8th, 2020 at 3:22pm:
Yeah, shove it up your khyber pass any time, Paki, you know you want to.




Paki likes Frank and Adolf.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-fuehrer-cult-germans-cringe-at-hitler-s-popularity-in-pakistan-a-683966.html
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Reply #58 - Jul 8th, 2020 at 5:17pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8th, 2020 at 4:15pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 8th, 2020 at 3:22pm:
FD wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 11:42pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 9:57pm:
FD wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:29pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:21pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 3:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 1:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 12:09pm:
I don't think you understand what Godwin's law is, or you know and are just exploiting it to avoid the point that was being made.

Trump is not being compared to the Nazi's, the comparison is to Germany, today, and how they've dealt with their terrible history, vs Trump.

There is a difference.

You're comparing the southern states to the nazis to justify the erasure of history under the guise of BLM.

Trump - and Macron, interestingly - stood up to your Year Zero barbarism.





Hardly...

You're conflating statues with history, Germany is a great example of how to deal with a history the county isn't proud of.


Germany wouldn't have got to where they are today without the United States first defeating the Nazis and then assisting Germany to recover

Why are you making comparisons between Nazi Germany and the United States?


Good point. Why shouldn't we stick a few statues of Southern slave-traders over there? I'm surprised Mr Trump didn't raise it with Merkel in their last call.

They are still talking, aren't they?

Why are you conflating the US with Nazi Germany, lying, dishonest cockwomble Paki?

That's the Q. And it IS a Q, shity paky fvky.



Good Q, dear boy. Shity paky fvky.

Do you mind if I save this one for later?




Yeah, shove it up your khyber pass any time, Paki, you know you want to.

ALso, don't forget to address the question - highlighted.



The comparison was the US and their handling of their history with Germany and theirs.

There was no Nazi comparison.



You are not smart enough for this, don't try.

What 'terrible histories' are you trying to compare? You are implying that the Confederate history of the US and the Nazi history of Germany are somehow requiring a similar response and there is a lot of tut tutting to be done about the US - and TRUMP, of course - for not imitating Germany regarding its history. So you are inviting us to think that somehow the US - and Trump - should be dealing with its history as Germany dealt with its Nazi past.



You do realise that the Democratic Party was the party of the Confederacy and it bitterly opposed the emancipation of slaves. It was the Democratic Party that was the great supporter of SA apartheid policies since they resembled what the Dems stood for  - segregation.  It relented only in the 1960s.

So maybe as the Germans de-nazified Germany, Trump should de-Democratify the US. Is that what you are driving at?
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Reply #59 - Jul 8th, 2020 at 5:35pm
 
The fact some American's cannot see a problem honouring slave traders and racists is the issue....America should celebrate it's freedom and diversity and not promote the race hate that has simmered under the surface of American society....The problem with Kristi Noem's rant is that by ignoring the facts you can make anyone a hero and pretend it is okay to worship ass holes!!!

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