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Reply #30 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 8:05am
 
Richdude wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 11:52pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 7:31pm:
In Germany it is illegal to display NAZI insignia or symbols of any kind....This is because the German people will not celebrate and moralise the white supremacist movement that killed so many and divided the world....The fact some American's cannot see a problem honouring slave traders and racists is the issue....America should celebrate it's freedom and diversity and not promote the race hate that has simmered under the surface of American society....The problem with Kristi Noem's rant is that by ignoring the facts you can make anyone a hero and pretend it is okay to worship ass holes!!!

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Oh boy!

What can you say??  Grin Grin


Clearly you can't argue it and have been left speechless, so the answer is nothing.
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Reply #31 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 8:18am
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 8:10pm:
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The so-called 'Revolution' was actually a Civil War - the  First American Civil War - between the colonists and the loyalists.

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There were a couple of poms involved, they passed the Intolerable Acts of 1774 in a common old house in London Town. It had a pom king.
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Reply #32 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 9:28am
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 8:10pm:
chimera wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 7:56pm:
The rioters are wrecking the American Revolution.  It needs peaceful submission to the rightful owners , Mrs Elizabeth Windsor and Son.


The so-called 'Revolution' was actually a Civil War - the  First American Civil War - between the colonists and the loyalists.

That it was a 'Revolution' is a farce which the America media and mythos has perpetuated.


Very true - it was between the colonist (ie Americans) and loyalists - who were just fronts for King George.

American wanted independence - their own representatives that they paid taxes for and didn't get.

The American revolution introduced a fair and just system. A system of government that allowed people to use their God given talents to produce the most successful nation in history.

And now the unhappy retarded ones want to return to the age old system of tyranny and the American experiment will be over.
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Reply #33 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 10:30am
 
Richdude wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 9:28am:
Very true - it was between the colonist (ie Americans) and loyalists - who were just fronts for King George.



Are you familiar with US of A?  "Hutchinson was still acting governor when protests over the Townshend taxes erupted into the Boston Massacre on 5 March 1770, when British soldiers fired into a crowd, killing five people. ..but ongoing unrest in the city compelled him to request the withdrawal of British troops from the city to Castle William.

Governor Bernard had, in the meantime, taken up Hutchinson's cause in London. In March 1771 Hutchinson's commission as governor arrived in Boston, having been approved by the king ."

British troops are
[1] yanks
[2] poms.
Select only one answer.
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Reply #34 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 11:52am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 8:05am:
Richdude wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 11:52pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 7:31pm:
In Germany it is illegal to display NAZI insignia or symbols of any kind....This is because the German people will not celebrate and moralise the white supremacist movement that killed so many and divided the world....The fact some American's cannot see a problem honouring slave traders and racists is the issue....America should celebrate it's freedom and diversity and not promote the race hate that has simmered under the surface of American society....The problem with Kristi Noem's rant is that by ignoring the facts you can make anyone a hero and pretend it is okay to worship ass holes!!!

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Oh boy!

What can you say??  Grin Grin


Clearly you can't argue it and have been left speechless, so the answer is nothing.



Grin Grin

Au contraire.   YOU have nothing EXCEPT the usual reductio ad hitlerum, Godwin's Law.   You proggy numpties can never ever think outside the 'oh, that's nazi' because you know absolutely nothing about history or anything else (not even about Hitler or the Nazis) - so you call anything and everything who is not as stupid and tendentious as you a Nazi or some derivation thereof.

Your imbecilities render others speechless but in your unspeakable vanity you mistake that for a triumph!! You guys are that ignorant, vain and lacking in even minimal self-awareness.



Suck on this:
Trump’s speech was certainly direct, in his typical style. But it was only divisive if you haven’t been paying attention to the divisions being stoked on the political left across American institutions. Trump had the temerity to point out that the past few weeks have seen an explosion of “cancel culture — driving people from their jobs, shaming dissenters, and demanding total submission from anyone who disagrees”.

Newspaper editors are being fired over headlines and op-eds after millennial staff revolts. Boeing chief executive David Calhoun last week welcomed the resignation of a communications executive for opposing — 33 years ago when he was in the military — women in combat. The Washington Post ran an op-ed at the weekend urging the name of America’s first president be struck from Washington and Lee University.

Any one of these events would be remarkable, but together with thousands of others around the country they represent precisely what Trump describes: left-wing cultural revolution against traditional American values of free speech and political tolerance.

And he called for Americans not to cower but to oppose this assault: “We must demand that our children are taught once again to see America as did Reverend Martin Luther King, when he said that the founders had signed ‘a promissory note’ to every future generation. Dr King saw that the mission of justice required us to fully embrace our founding ideals … He called on his fellow citizens not to rip down their heritage, but to live up to their heritage.”

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Re: The Founding Fathers ideals and hopes eulogised
Reply #35 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 12:09pm
 
I don't think you understand what Godwin's law is, or you know and are just exploiting it to avoid the point that was being made.

Trump is not being compared to the Nazi's, the comparison is to Germany, today, and how they've dealt with their terrible history, vs Trump.

There is a difference.
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Reply #36 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 1:42pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 12:09pm:
I don't think you understand what Godwin's law is, or you know and are just exploiting it to avoid the point that was being made.

Trump is not being compared to the Nazi's, the comparison is to Germany, today, and how they've dealt with their terrible history, vs Trump.

There is a difference.

You're comparing the southern states to the nazis to justify the erasure of history under the guise of BLM.

Trump - and Macron, interestingly - stood up to your Year Zero barbarism.



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Reply #37 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 3:50pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 1:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 12:09pm:
I don't think you understand what Godwin's law is, or you know and are just exploiting it to avoid the point that was being made.

Trump is not being compared to the Nazi's, the comparison is to Germany, today, and how they've dealt with their terrible history, vs Trump.

There is a difference.

You're comparing the southern states to the nazis to justify the erasure of history under the guise of BLM.

Trump - and Macron, interestingly - stood up to your Year Zero barbarism.





Hardly...

You're conflating statues with history, Germany is a great example of how to deal with a history the county isn't proud of.
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Reply #38 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:21pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 3:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 1:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 12:09pm:
I don't think you understand what Godwin's law is, or you know and are just exploiting it to avoid the point that was being made.

Trump is not being compared to the Nazi's, the comparison is to Germany, today, and how they've dealt with their terrible history, vs Trump.

There is a difference.

You're comparing the southern states to the nazis to justify the erasure of history under the guise of BLM.

Trump - and Macron, interestingly - stood up to your Year Zero barbarism.





Hardly...

You're conflating statues with history, Germany is a great example of how to deal with a history the county isn't proud of.


Germany wouldn't have got to where they are today without the United States first defeating the Nazis and then assisting Germany to recover

Why are you making comparisons between Nazi Germany and the United States?
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Reply #39 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:24pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 3:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 1:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 12:09pm:
I don't think you understand what Godwin's law is, or you know and are just exploiting it to avoid the point that was being made.

Trump is not being compared to the Nazi's, the comparison is to Germany, today, and how they've dealt with their terrible history, vs Trump.

There is a difference.

You're comparing the southern states to the nazis to justify the erasure of history under the guise of BLM.

Trump - and Macron, interestingly - stood up to your Year Zero barbarism.





Hardly...

You're conflating statues with history, Germany is a great example of how to deal with a history the county isn't proud of.


Not at all. Germany could benefit from a few statues of Hitler or Himmler around the place.

The Autobahn, Volkswagen, IG Farben...

Great men, a fine example for our youth. Why should they be condemned for gassing a few Jews?
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Reply #40 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:29pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:21pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 3:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 1:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 12:09pm:
I don't think you understand what Godwin's law is, or you know and are just exploiting it to avoid the point that was being made.

Trump is not being compared to the Nazi's, the comparison is to Germany, today, and how they've dealt with their terrible history, vs Trump.

There is a difference.

You're comparing the southern states to the nazis to justify the erasure of history under the guise of BLM.

Trump - and Macron, interestingly - stood up to your Year Zero barbarism.





Hardly...

You're conflating statues with history, Germany is a great example of how to deal with a history the county isn't proud of.


Germany wouldn't have got to where they are today without the United States first defeating the Nazis and then assisting Germany to recover

Why are you making comparisons between Nazi Germany and the United States?


Good point. Why shouldn't we stick a few statues of Southern slave-traders over there? I'm surprised Mr Trump didn't raise it with Merkel in their last call.

They are still talking, aren't they?
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Reply #41 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:56pm
 
FD wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:29pm:
Good point.



Yes, I know
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Re: The Founding Fathers ideals and hopes eulogised
Reply #42 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 5:05pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:21pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 3:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 1:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 12:09pm:
I don't think you understand what Godwin's law is, or you know and are just exploiting it to avoid the point that was being made.

Trump is not being compared to the Nazi's, the comparison is to Germany, today, and how they've dealt with their terrible history, vs Trump.

There is a difference.

You're comparing the southern states to the nazis to justify the erasure of history under the guise of BLM.

Trump - and Macron, interestingly - stood up to your Year Zero barbarism.





Hardly...

You're conflating statues with history, Germany is a great example of how to deal with a history the county isn't proud of.


Germany wouldn't have got to where they are today without the United States first defeating the Nazis and then assisting Germany to recover

Why are you making comparisons between Nazi Germany and the United States?


You're the one doing that to dismiss the criticism of the statues by "oh, Godwin's law, I can ignore you now" because you've got no other way to push your narrative without getting shot down in flames.
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Reply #43 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 5:27pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 4:21pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 3:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 1:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 12:09pm:
I don't think you understand what Godwin's law is, or you know and are just exploiting it to avoid the point that was being made.

Trump is not being compared to the Nazi's, the comparison is to Germany, today, and how they've dealt with their terrible history, vs Trump.

There is a difference.

You're comparing the southern states to the nazis to justify the erasure of history under the guise of BLM.

Trump - and Macron, interestingly - stood up to your Year Zero barbarism.





Hardly...

You're conflating statues with history, Germany is a great example of how to deal with a history the county isn't proud of.


Germany wouldn't have got to where they are today without the United States first defeating the Nazis and then assisting Germany to recover

Why are you making comparisons between Nazi Germany and the United States?


You're the one doing that to dismiss the criticism of the statues by "oh, Godwin's law, I can ignore you now" because you've got no other way to push your narrative without getting shot down in flames.



Godwin's law
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the theory that as an online discussion progresses, it becomes inevitable that someone or something will eventually be compared to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis, regardless of the original topic.



You leftie progressives are the ones that compare anything American to Nazi Germany
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Reply #44 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 5:54pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2020 at 8:05am:

Clearly you can't argue it and have been left speechless, so the answer is nothing.






Neo-Marxist doctrine and methods are indefensible in an arena of reasoned debate.

Condensed, their methods and precepts amount to:

"Let us do evil, so that good may come."




Occasionally, you will witness the neo-Marxist make the claim that their ideological opponents are 'rendered speechless' in their presence.



Whereas, in truth, the neo-Marxist's method of silencing the opposing voice is to 'CANCEL', or to threaten, or to riot and burn, or to kill by bludgeoning [into a grave],
....anyone who has tried to reason with them.

When their opponents are speechless, it because the neo-Marxist's have bludgeoned them to death, in order to silence their reasoned words.



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