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Reply #15 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 7:42pm

The Founding Father was Amerigo.
"First voyage" (1497–1498) This is perhaps the most controversial of Vespucci's voyages and many historians doubt that it took place as described. Some writers question the authorship and accuracy of the letter and consider it to be a forgery. Others point to the inconsistencies in the narrative of the voyage, particularly the alleged course, starting near Honduras and proceeding northwest for 870 leagues (about 5,130 km or 3,190 mi)–a course that would have taken them across Mexico to the Pacific Ocean. Feelings also ran high among earlier historians who felt that Vespucci lied about this voyage to gain primacy over Columbus as the first explorer to encounter the mainland.

"Second voyage" (1499–1500) Writing later about his experience, Vespucci gave the impression that he had a leadership role, but that is unlikely due to his inexperience. After Hispaniola they made a brief slave raid in the Bahamas, capturing 232 natives and then returned to Spain.

"Third voyage" (1501–1502)Vespucci estimated their latitude at 32° S but experts now estimate they were closer to 25° S. Their homeward journey is unclear since Vespucci left a confusing record of astronomical observations and distances travelled."

Fourth voyage" (1503–1504) The only source for this last voyage is the Soderini Letter; but several modern scholars dispute Vespucci's authorship of that letter and it is uncertain whether Vespucci undertook this trip. There are also difficulties with the reported dates and details in the account of this voyage."

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Reply #16 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 7:46pm

If the authorities nationally don't make the appropriate decisions regarding law and order, the country will be in more turmoil than it is already. The blacks are being allowed to get away with (literally) murder. Law enforcement countrywide has been undermined to the point of experienced officers are resigning en masse
or whole departments being closed, or as they say, defunded. If this catastrophic situation continues to worsen, there will be a countrywide black vs white conflict which will take the country back centuries.

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Reply #18 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 7:52pm

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 6^th, 2020 at 7:46pm:

If the authorities nationally don't make the appropriate decisions regarding law and order, the country will be in more turmoil than it is already. The blacks are being allowed to get away with (literally) murder. Law enforcement countrywide has been undermined to the point of experienced officers are resigning en masse
or whole departments being closed, or as they say, defunded. If this catastrophic situation continues to worsen, there will be a countrywide black vs white conflict which will take the country back centuries.

No one in the right mind is advocating looting or destruction of property.

What Trump should've done was tried to de-escalate the situation by calling for calm and peaceful protest, and by promising significant reforms. Instead, Trump threatens to send the military out.

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Reply #19 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 7:53pm

Yadda wrote on Jul 6^th, 2020 at 9:48am:

Tides indeed.

And a great engulfing cultural wave has washed over, the 'new' China.

What is old, is new again.

And China is falling into China's past, ...with the emergence of a new omnipotent Emperor, ...he is called Xi Jinping.

All hail The Divine Leader, The Equal of Heaven, ...Xi Jinping.

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The national policies [CCP] of mass murderer Mao Zedong killed > 50 million Chinese citizens.

But it was a 'Great Leap Forward'.

The Chinese are a great people.

Ask any Chinese person, and, just look [historically] at the 'great men' whom the Chinese have chosen to lead their nation.

Mass murderers.

I didn't originally understand that you meant the Chinese founding fathers.

The Great Chang, Chong, Chan, Barry,Thong and Lee..

I really thought you meant George Washington, Alexander Hamilton Benjamin Franklin John Adams Samuel Adams Thomas Jefferson James Madison and John Jay.

You know the guys that Trump trashes every day.

My bad.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13715 Armidale Gender:	Re: The Founding Fathers ideals and hopes eulogised Reply #20 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 7:56pm The rioters are wrecking the American Revolution. It needs peaceful submission to the rightful owners , Mrs Elizabeth Windsor and Son.
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Reply #21 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 8:00pm

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and even protest as we see fit.

When so many have been assaulted for exercising their first amendment right to protest. Yeah sure you are free to do it as long as you don't mind the tear gas rubber bullets assaults getting run over etc and all by the authorities.

The greatest threat to the US constitution is a president who uses it like toilet paper.

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Reply #22 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 8:10pm

chimera wrote on Jul 6^th, 2020 at 7:56pm:

The rioters are wrecking the American Revolution. It needs peaceful submission to the rightful owners , Mrs Elizabeth Windsor and Son.

The so-called 'Revolution' was actually a Civil War - the First American Civil War - between the colonists and the loyalists.

That it was a 'Revolution' is a farce which the America media and mythos has perpetuated.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 54728 Gender:	Re: The Founding Fathers ideals and hopes eulogised Reply #23 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 8:14pm Looks more like Black people colonising the White people, severing them from their past, like what happened to the Abos.
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Reply #25 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 8:49pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 6^th, 2020 at 8:00pm:

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and even protest as we see fit.

When so many have been assaulted for exercising their first amendment right to protest. Yeah sure you are free to do it as long as you don't mind the tear gas rubber bullets assaults getting run over etc and all by the authorities.

The greatest threat to the US constitution is a president who uses it like toilet paper.

The 1st amendment gives them the right to peaceful protest.

When they start rioting looting and burning places down that isn't a peaceful protest which is why tear gas and rubber bullets are used to disperse violent protestors.

Perhaps you should try reading the constitution until you comprehend what it actually says.

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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: The Founding Fathers ideals and hopes eulogised Reply #26 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 8:59pm Jasin wrote on Jul 6^th, 2020 at 8:14pm: Looks more like Black people colonising the White people, severing them from their past, like what happened to the Abos. Well, you should blame the Founding Fathers for that. They're the ones who practised slavery and allowed it to continue.
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Reply #27 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 9:53pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 6^th, 2020 at 8:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 6^th, 2020 at 8:00pm:

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and even protest as we see fit.

When so many have been assaulted for exercising their first amendment right to protest. Yeah sure you are free to do it as long as you don't mind the tear gas rubber bullets assaults getting run over etc and all by the authorities.

The greatest threat to the US constitution is a president who uses it like toilet paper.

The 1st amendment gives them the right to peaceful protest.

When they start rioting looting and burning places down that isn't a peaceful protest which is why tear gas and rubber bullets are used to disperse violent protesters.

Perhaps you should try reading the constitution until you comprehend what it actually says.

There are no examples of looters being assaulted by the police, there have been many examples of peaceful protesters being assaulted.

In fact there have been examples of protesters stopping looters. And examples of very suspicious looking staged looting and suspicious looking people involved.

Who is this guy definitely not a protester ?

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Re: The Founding Fathers ideals and hopes eulogised
Reply #28 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 11:48pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 6^th, 2020 at 9:53pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 6^th, 2020 at 8:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 6^th, 2020 at 8:00pm:

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and even protest as we see fit.

When so many have been assaulted for exercising their first amendment right to protest. Yeah sure you are free to do it as long as you don't mind the tear gas rubber bullets assaults getting run over etc and all by the authorities.

The greatest threat to the US constitution is a president who uses it like toilet paper.

The 1st amendment gives them the right to peaceful protest.

When they start rioting looting and burning places down that isn't a peaceful protest which is why tear gas and rubber bullets are used to disperse violent protesters.

Perhaps you should try reading the constitution until you comprehend what it actually says.

There are no examples of looters being assaulted by the police, there have been many examples of peaceful protesters being assaulted.

In fact there have been examples of protesters stopping looters. And examples of very suspicious looking staged looting and suspicious looking people involved.

Who is this guy definitely not a protester ?

DNA's off on a different planet .... again!

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Reply #29 - Jul 6^th, 2020 at 11:52pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2020 at 7:31pm:

In Germany it is illegal to display NAZI insignia or symbols of any kind....This is because the German people will not celebrate and moralise the white supremacist movement that killed so many and divided the world....The fact some American's cannot see a problem honouring slave traders and racists is the issue....America should celebrate it's freedom and diversity and not promote the race hate that has simmered under the surface of American society....The problem with Kristi Noem's rant is that by ignoring the facts you can make anyone a hero and pretend it is okay to worship ass holes!!!

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