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NATO v Russia
May 18th, 2020 at 8:04am
 
NATO already had it's borders stacked against Russia, led by the Ukraine.
Now it's moving more against the borders.

If China turns on it's old 'master' - Russia will be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
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Reply #1 - Jul 3rd, 2020 at 4:27am
 
A new poll, done by a German polling company, has found that Americans consider Britain, which left the EU in January, to be the most powerful European country, more powerful than Germany and France combined, with Germany second and France a distant third.
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Reply #2 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 9:34pm
 
"In 2011, according to Professor Malcolm Chalmers of the Royal United Services Institute,  "the United Kingdom  military power edge in relation to rising Asian powers seems set to erode, but will remain significant well into the 2020s, and possibly beyond."

Gibraltar will stay British as Spain is cactus land.  There are no endemic cacti in Spain though some species have become widely naturalised.

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Reply #3 - Jul 8th, 2020 at 7:12am
 
USA considers Britain to be the most powerful, because Britain is 'automatically' just like the USA.
Germany once thought it could be like the USA with a priority of Politics/Military/Religion, but it failed.
France still thinks it's better at Britain at the USA game, but it too will burn like a Notre Dame (in the face of Islam).
Finally even Italy and it's Vatican will fall (thanks to Israel).

So three 'European' nations will 'Fail' to go on with their Politics/Military/Religious agendas as a priority and succumb to a more 'truer' European path of Music/Entertainment/Media/Medicine and a few other things that the USA is really crap at.

Britain might indeed be the only 'Military' power left in a Europe that has moved on and left Britain holding the American Flag.
A Britain that must one day carry it's Union Jack Cross to the steps of a 'United' Islam and Israel (Istari) - but I won't spoil the already written story there Wink Cheesy

So this is what happens when the New Worlds come into being, Old Worlds must change too.

France doesn't want to change yet. It still think's its Politically/Military/Religiously up there with the USA as Europe's Representative. Britain disagrees and has 'exited' from a Collective with France in it. Other nations will also leave 'France' out in front.... in the face of a Moslem horde that will do to France, what Germany did to the Jews.
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Reply #4 - Jul 8th, 2020 at 7:20am
 
Europe is changing.
It's moving to an new existence and culture that is compatible with Asia, Africa and the Oceania (Media).

It's slowly leaving behind the connection with the Middle-East and not really catching on to all things North American, Sahulian (Oz) and South American.

As we know the Oceanic Media has it's shadow over North America and in the cookie jar of Australia. I guess this is why Australia is surprisingly in the Eurovision? But you watch, most entrants will soon be from New Zealand  Wink Grin


It's a complicated world, when nations and 'Regions', must let go of the past and accept a new future. You want Politics - go to America, Military - go to Middle-East, Art - Australia, Religion - South America... and so on.

What you see happening in the USA at the moment is a huge shift like an earthquake tectonic shift. One part of the culture will move on, another left behind. One gets the money, the other gets the girl  Wink
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Reply #5 - Jul 8th, 2020 at 7:23am
 
Also - there is a dif of Male and Female interaction too.

...if the Nazi were only Women in Germany back in the 1940's they would have won!

...but hey, when it comes to an Australia that was 'expected' that everyone follow 'Sport' (Africa's lead). Seems only the Women are the more 'professional' of the sexes. Most guys in Australia couldn't give a bum-fluff about Sport these days.
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Reply #6 - Jul 8th, 2020 at 7:51am
 
In a religious grand final , the Russian women will smash the German female tank-unit choir.
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Reply #7 - Aug 12th, 2021 at 9:30pm
 
Giles Milton, the author of Nathaniel’s Nutmeg and Churchill’s Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare, is a skilful storyteller. His latest book, vivid and pacy, chronicles the first four years of the Berlin occupation through the first-hand accounts of the individuals involved. One stands out: Colonel Frank Hawley, deputy commandant and then commandant of the American sector, a combative, rumbustious Texan, who defied his more cautious superiors by adopting a policy of ‘aggressive neutrality’ towards his Soviet counterparts.

By the spring of 1945 Berlin was in ruins, pulverised by bombing and artillery bombardment. Occupying Allied soldiers were stunned by the devastation. If this were not enough, the Russians had looted everything they could carry, even stripping out the plant that controlled the water and electricity supply. They had ripped the very pipes from the walls. The city’s beleaguered population stayed alive on scraps of food, keeping warm by burning firewood scavenged from the rubble. There were few young women who had not been raped by the soldiers of the Red Army. Only a handful of young men remained, many of them maimed in the fighting.

The occupying forces set about reconstruction. The electricity and water supplies were restored, the hospitals were rebuilt and the U-Bahn began running again. Starvation was averted, but rations for ordinary Berliners were pitifully low, while the occupiers had more than they could consume. An army-issue corned beef sandwich was enough to lure many a hungry fräulein into bed. In the bars and clubs that sprang up almost overnight to play host to the incomers, the drinks were expensive and the girls cheap. Corruption was rampant. Spies, gangsters and black marketeers flourished. Neither side had much compunction about recruiting former Nazis. The staff of Radio Berlin, until recently the mouthpiece of Goebbels’s propaganda, remained in place: ‘They just changed the colours of their shirts.’

There had been trouble between the occupying powers right from the start; the Soviets tried to restrict the number of American soldiers allowed into the city. But even once the Americans and the British were established and had begun to bring some kind of order to their sectors, there was constant tension with the Russians, with sporadic gunfire after dark. In response to obstruction and even outright hostility from the Soviets, the other occupiers merged their administrations, becoming first ‘Bizonia’ and then ‘Trizonia’. Relations with the Russians continued to deteriorate, culminating in a Red Army general getting escorted from a railway HQ at gunpoint. There was a danger that serious fighting might erupt.

Had the Russians been willing to risk war, they could have imposed their will on Berlin by force, since their troops vastly outnumbered those of the combined western Allies. Instead they decided to seal off the city, halting all road and rail traffic from the west from 23 June 1948. Henceforth, Berlin was under siege; the only remaining route in or out was by air. Food, fuel and medicines all needed to be flown in.

Hawley estimated the minimum requirements of the two and a quarter million people in the western sectors at 4,500 tons of supplies per day. It seemed impossible that so much could be brought in by plane. Given existing payloads, this would require a flight every 90 seconds, 24 hours a day, in all kinds of weather. Loading and unloading, and subsequent distribution would have to be uninterrupted to avoid blockages; there would be no time for crews to disembark before taking off again. Round-the-clock maintenance would be required to cope with the wear and tear on the planes. Any aircraft that missed its landing slot would have to return to its point of origin with its cargo. And the incoming planes would have to endure harassment from Soviet fighters and incendiary fire, and searchlights trained to dazzle their pilots. Already one British plane had been brought down by a Soviet fighter.

Ernest Bevin, the pugnacious British foreign secretary, was determined not to succumb to Russian pressure. He felt that the very future of western Europe was at stake. In an earlier confrontation he had come close to punching Molotov, the Soviet foreign minister. ‘We must stay in Berlin,’ Bevin declared. Addressing a huge demonstration, the largest in the city’s history, the mayor of Berlin appealed to the people of the world: ‘You cannot, you must not, forsake us!’

Faced with this escalation, the American president announced a dramatic shift in foreign policy which became known as the Truman Doctrine, ‘to support free peoples who are resisting attempted subjugation’. The administration inaugurated the Marshall Plan, a programme of long-term economic support for the countries of western Europe. In 1949 a new defensive alliance came into being, the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, with America at its heart. Far from withdrawing, the United States had committed itself to staying in Europe.

The Berlin Airlift was a triumph of logistical planning. At its peak, on Easter Day 1949, a supply plane was landing in Berlin every minute of the 24 hours, bringing in almost 12,941 tons of supplies. After 323 days, the Russians relented and called off the siege.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/06/a-city-under-siege/
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Reply #8 - Aug 13th, 2021 at 6:31am
 
Korea. Vietnam. Afghanistan.
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Reply #9 - Aug 13th, 2021 at 8:38am
 
Frank wrote on Aug 12th, 2021 at 9:30pm:
Giles Milton, the author of Nathaniel’s Nutmeg and Churchill’s Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare, is a skilful storyteller. His latest book, vivid and pacy, chronicles the first four years of the Berlin occupation through the first-hand accounts of the individuals involved. One stands out: Colonel Frank Hawley, deputy commandant and then commandant of the American sector, a combative, rumbustious Texan, who defied his more cautious superiors by adopting a policy of ‘aggressive neutrality’ towards his Soviet counterparts.

By the spring of 1945 Berlin was in ruins, pulverised by bombing and artillery bombardment. Occupying Allied soldiers were stunned by the devastation. If this were not enough, the Russians had looted everything they could carry, even stripping out the plant that controlled the water and electricity supply. They had ripped the very pipes from the walls. The city’s beleaguered population stayed alive on scraps of food, keeping warm by burning firewood scavenged from the rubble. There were few young women who had not been raped by the soldiers of the Red Army. Only a handful of young men remained, many of them maimed in the fighting.

The occupying forces set about reconstruction. The electricity and water supplies were restored, the hospitals were rebuilt and the U-Bahn began running again. Starvation was averted, but rations for ordinary Berliners were pitifully low, while the occupiers had more than they could consume. An army-issue corned beef sandwich was enough to lure many a hungry fräulein into bed. In the bars and clubs that sprang up almost overnight to play host to the incomers, the drinks were expensive and the girls cheap. Corruption was rampant. Spies, gangsters and black marketeers flourished. Neither side had much compunction about recruiting former Nazis. The staff of Radio Berlin, until recently the mouthpiece of Goebbels’s propaganda, remained in place: ‘They just changed the colours of their shirts.’

There had been trouble between the occupying powers right from the start; the Soviets tried to restrict the number of American soldiers allowed into the city. But even once the Americans and the British were established and had begun to bring some kind of order to their sectors, there was constant tension with the Russians, with sporadic gunfire after dark. In response to obstruction and even outright hostility from the Soviets, the other occupiers merged their administrations, becoming first ‘Bizonia’ and then ‘Trizonia’. Relations with the Russians continued to deteriorate, culminating in a Red Army general getting escorted from a railway HQ at gunpoint. There was a danger that serious fighting might erupt.

Had the Russians been willing to risk war, they could have imposed their will on Berlin by force, since their troops vastly outnumbered those of the combined western Allies. Instead they decided to seal off the city, halting all road and rail traffic from the west from 23 June 1948. Henceforth, Berlin was under siege; the only remaining route in or out was by air. Food, fuel and medicines all needed to be flown in.

Hawley estimated the minimum requirements of the two and a quarter million people in the western sectors at 4,500 tons of supplies per day. It seemed impossible that so much could be brought in by plane. Given existing payloads, this would require a flight every 90 seconds, 24 hours a day, in all kinds of weather. Loading and unloading, and subsequent distribution would have to be uninterrupted to avoid blockages; there would be no time for crews to disembark before taking off again. Round-the-clock maintenance would be required to cope with the wear and tear on the planes. Any aircraft that missed its landing slot would have to return to its point of origin with its cargo. And the incoming planes would have to endure harassment from Soviet fighters and incendiary fire, and searchlights trained to dazzle their pilots. Already one British plane had been brought down by a Soviet fighter.

Ernest Bevin, the pugnacious British foreign secretary, was determined not to succumb to Russian pressure. He felt that the very future of western Europe was at stake. In an earlier confrontation he had come close to punching Molotov, the Soviet foreign minister. ‘We must stay in Berlin,’ Bevin declared. Addressing a huge demonstration, the largest in the city’s history, the mayor of Berlin appealed to the people of the world: ‘You cannot, you must not, forsake us!’

Faced with this escalation, the American president announced a dramatic shift in foreign policy which became known as the Truman Doctrine, ‘to support free peoples who are resisting attempted subjugation’. The administration inaugurated the Marshall Plan, a programme of long-term economic support for the countries of western Europe. In 1949 a new defensive alliance came into being, the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, with America at its heart. Far from withdrawing, the United States had committed itself to staying in Europe.

The Berlin Airlift was a triumph of logistical planning. At its peak, on Easter Day 1949, a supply plane was landing in Berlin every minute of the 24 hours, bringing in almost 12,941 tons of supplies. After 323 days, the Russians relented and called off the siege.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/06/a-city-under-siege/


There is a mistake in the article. It was Colonel Frank Howley, with an O.
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Reply #10 - Aug 13th, 2021 at 11:54am
 
Poor Russia. Went out too far into Asia via the USSR and now caught between a rock and a hard place between China and Europe (NATO).

Russia is doomed. China will get revenge. Wink
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Reply #11 - Aug 19th, 2021 at 1:49am
 
chimera wrote on Aug 13th, 2021 at 6:31am:
Korea. Vietnam. Afghanistan.


Surrounding China, perhaps?
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