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Jun 15^th, 2021 at 4:14am

Neo-Nazi ex-Ukip member jailed for 18 years for terror offences

Dean Morrice described by judge as ‘dangerous neo-Nazi’ who pumped out racist propaganda online

A former Ukip member who posted violent racist, antisemitic and Islamophobic propaganda online and collected the means for making bombs has been jailed for 18 years.

Dean Morrice had ball bearings, pipes and instructions for an improvised explosive device (IED) by the time his home was raided last year, and the judge at Kingston crown court said it was “fortunate” that police arrested him when they did.

“You have described yourself as a patriot. You are not a patriot, you are a dangerous neo-Nazi, your bigotry and hatred is abhorrent to the overwhelming majority in this country,” Judge Peter Lodder said.

He said it was clear that Morrice revered those responsible for massacres in New Zealand and Norway and the bombing of a US government building Oklahoma, and had attempted to “fool” the jury into thinking he was a caring family man.

Morrice, 34, of Paulton, near Bristol, who worked for a time for the army, was convicted last week of 10 counts related to terrorism and explosives, all of which he denied.

He ran a Telegram channel that prosecutors said had “unapologetically, unambiguously pumped out” neo-Nazi propaganda that encouraged the killing of people of colour and Jewish people.

A previous hearing was told that Morrice had made a video of himself strumming along on a guitar to footage of the 2019 Christchurch terror attacks.

Lodder said Morrice had shown no remorse. “You attempted to fool the jury into thinking that you are a family-orientated, caring man who was simply trying to find friends. In the witness box you cried as you spoke of missing your own children.

“Yet you revelled in the Christchurch mosque massacre in which children as young as three years old were murdered, and glorified Brevijk who slaughtered more than 30 children in Norway.”

The judge instructed that the custodial element of a 23-year sentence should be 18 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/14/ex-ukip-member-dean-morrice-give...

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87687 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Neo-Nazi jailed for 18 years for terror offences Reply #1 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:36am Phew - those Brits...... they can be so extreme one way or the other..... unlike we Australians who are mostly somewhere in the middle..... unless, of course, you are a 'leftie' on the rampage...
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Reply #3 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 7:31am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 7:06am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:36am:

Phew - those Brits...... they can be so extreme one way or the other..... unlike we Australians who are mostly somewhere in the middle..... unless, of course, you are a 'leftie' on the rampage...

your trolling is tranparent

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Just stating facts... we don't have neo-Nazis here - there have been some self-avowed Nazis, but they seem to have vanished. There may still be a Nazi party around somewhere, but it hardly rates a mention these days. Not everyone who disagrees with a policy thrust is a Nazi ..... being a Nazi is more than simply disagreeing with one issue, and the term is vastly over-used by those seeking to destroy any discussion of differing views.

That's why I got in early - to get mothra going on her high horse... bites like a shark.... Cool

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Reply #4 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:46am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 7:31am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 7:06am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:36am:

Phew - those Brits...... they can be so extreme one way or the other..... unlike we Australians who are mostly somewhere in the middle..... unless, of course, you are a 'leftie' on the rampage...

your trolling is tranparent

Spot

Just stating facts... we don't have neo-Nazis here - there have been some self-avowed Nazis, but they seem to have vanished. There may still be a Nazi party around somewhere, but it hardly rates a mention these days. Not everyone who disagrees with a policy thrust is a Nazi ..... being a Nazi is more than simply disagreeing with one issue, and the term is vastly over-used by those seeking to destroy any discussion of differing views.

That's why I got in early - to get mothra going on her high horse... bites like a shark.... Cool

Whilst I agree with you graps, its also true that extreme RW terrorism is a concern.

(and yes Islamic terrorism is also a concern)

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Reply #5 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 11:37am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:46am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 7:31am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 7:06am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:36am:

Phew - those Brits...... they can be so extreme one way or the other..... unlike we Australians who are mostly somewhere in the middle..... unless, of course, you are a 'leftie' on the rampage...

your trolling is tranparent

Spot

Just stating facts... we don't have neo-Nazis here - there have been some self-avowed Nazis, but they seem to have vanished. There may still be a Nazi party around somewhere, but it hardly rates a mention these days. Not everyone who disagrees with a policy thrust is a Nazi ..... being a Nazi is more than simply disagreeing with one issue, and the term is vastly over-used by those seeking to destroy any discussion of differing views.

That's why I got in early - to get mothra going on her high horse... bites like a shark.... Cool

Whilst I agree with you graps, its also true that extreme RW terrorism is a concern.

(and yes Islamic terrorism is also a concern)

Indeed, we have some people who might be called 'right wing extremists' - often, of course they are upset over some or many things and are 'venting' in one way or another. Some of them go so far as to 'train' like some militia and research things like bomb making. Most of them never really amount to anything, and likes of Tarrant are the aberration. (I have yet to hear anyone support what he did, but then... not to say some don't).

Same applies to some Muslims (and others), too. I had the privilege of chatting with the convicted Ananda Marga Hilton bomber way back while he was in prison - I felt he was not guilty and could see no valid reason why his group would even consider such a thing. He was later released. It's a strange little episode in Australian history, and needs a further look if you ask me. Someone did it. Yes - I was present at the bombing within five minutes of it. Stupid if you ask me, but someone made a statement.

Anyway - to be long-winded - most of the people who actually go down the path of being an urban or homegrown terrorist are pretty dumb, and are acting out often unthought out grievance without full consideration of the actual outcomes. It's like they are watching a movie or are part of one - they tend to think they will go to the set canteen after it's over or something and cannot really envisage the public outrage and judicial hostility they will meet. A bit like people who suicide thinking that somehow they will see how that sets others on their heels... strange thinking is what it is in most cases.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77082 Gender:	Re: Neo-Nazi jailed for 18 years for terror offences Reply #7 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:53pm Valkie had better watch out
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77082 Gender:	Re: Neo-Nazi jailed for 18 years for terror offences Reply #9 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:58pm rhino wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:56pm: I was just thinking that. I'm actually surprise he hasn't already been pinged ... some of the crap he puts up here. Especially when the 'boat people' issue was at it's peak.
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Reply #10 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:59pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 7:31am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 7:06am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:36am:

Phew - those Brits...... they can be so extreme one way or the other..... unlike we Australians who are mostly somewhere in the middle..... unless, of course, you are a 'leftie' on the rampage...

your trolling is tranparent

Spot

Just stating facts... we don't have neo-Nazis here - there have been some self-avowed Nazis, but they seem to have vanished. There may still be a Nazi party around somewhere, but it hardly rates a mention these days. Not everyone who disagrees with a policy thrust is a Nazi ..... being a Nazi is more than simply disagreeing with one issue, and the term is vastly over-used by those seeking to destroy any discussion of differing views.

That's why I got in early - to get mothra going on her high horse... bites like a shark.... Cool

We have at least one member who is an avowed white supremacist and has other views which would fit the definition of neo nazi
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Neo-Nazism is a global phenomenon, with organized representation in many countries and international networks. It borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including antisemitism, ultranationalism, racism, xenophobia, ableism, homophobia, anti-Romanyism, anti-communism, and creating a "Fourth Reich". Holocaust denial is common in neo-Nazi circles.

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Reply #11 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 7:01pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:58pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:56pm:

I was just thinking that.

I'm actually surprise he hasn't already been pinged ... some of the crap he puts up here. Especially when the 'boat people' issue was at it's peak.

he would have to be on a watch list, cant see that he hast been reported to the terrorism hotline with his extreme views.

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Reply #12 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 8:33pm

rhino wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:59pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 7:31am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 7:06am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:36am:

Phew - those Brits...... they can be so extreme one way or the other..... unlike we Australians who are mostly somewhere in the middle..... unless, of course, you are a 'leftie' on the rampage...

your trolling is tranparent

Spot

Just stating facts... we don't have neo-Nazis here - there have been some self-avowed Nazis, but they seem to have vanished. There may still be a Nazi party around somewhere, but it hardly rates a mention these days. Not everyone who disagrees with a policy thrust is a Nazi ..... being a Nazi is more than simply disagreeing with one issue, and the term is vastly over-used by those seeking to destroy any discussion of differing views.

That's why I got in early - to get mothra going on her high horse... bites like a shark.... Cool

We have at least one member who is an avowed white supremacist and has other views which would fit the definition of neo nazi
Quote:

Neo-Nazism is a global phenomenon, with organized representation in many countries and international networks. It borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including antisemitism, ultranationalism, racism, xenophobia, ableism, homophobia, anti-Romanyism, anti-communism, and creating a "Fourth Reich". Holocaust denial is common in neo-Nazi circles.

Really? How does this member stack up against the Black supremacists and the foreign supremacists?

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Re: Neo-Nazi jailed for 18 years for terror offences
Reply #13 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 8:58pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 8:33pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:59pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 7:31am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 7:06am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:36am:

Phew - those Brits...... they can be so extreme one way or the other..... unlike we Australians who are mostly somewhere in the middle..... unless, of course, you are a 'leftie' on the rampage...

your trolling is tranparent

Spot

Just stating facts... we don't have neo-Nazis here - there have been some self-avowed Nazis, but they seem to have vanished. There may still be a Nazi party around somewhere, but it hardly rates a mention these days. Not everyone who disagrees with a policy thrust is a Nazi ..... being a Nazi is more than simply disagreeing with one issue, and the term is vastly over-used by those seeking to destroy any discussion of differing views.

That's why I got in early - to get mothra going on her high horse... bites like a shark.... Cool

We have at least one member who is an avowed white supremacist and has other views which would fit the definition of neo nazi
Quote:

Neo-Nazism is a global phenomenon, with organized representation in many countries and international networks. It borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including antisemitism, ultranationalism, racism, xenophobia, ableism, homophobia, anti-Romanyism, anti-communism, and creating a "Fourth Reich". Holocaust denial is common in neo-Nazi circles.

Really? How does this member stack up against the Black supremacists and the foreign supremacists?

Do we have Black supremacist posters on here?

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Re: Neo-Nazi jailed for 18 years for terror offences
Reply #14 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:45pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Agree, its extremism of any form thats the issue and should be stamped out.

Well, whatever you call it, it needs to be stamped out, but it is not "extremism." Because that would imply there is a milder form of Nazism, just as it would imply there is a mild form of Islam.

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