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Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding
Reply #105 - May 11^th, 2020 at 3:28pm

Now let's see, people since the dawn of time have when doing things they know is not really an accepted activity, gone out of their way to hide their actions.

Buuuuttt halal fees would never be used in this way, if any halal fees were made available to the islamic terrorism brigade, the receipts would definitely be truthful and honest and state openly they were used for funding terrorism.

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Reply #106 - May 16^th, 2020 at 10:23am

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No its what I genuinely believe. That is by definition not a lie.

So you are substituting the conventional presumption of innocence with your own reality and pretending it is the same thing?

If you assume all Muslims are innocent, does that mean you think there is never any need to investigate Muslims for using Halal fees to fund terrorism?

Is this belief a religious requirement? Does your religion compel you to lie?

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What crap. If I assumed it to be anything other than 0% without a shred of evidence, then that is actually the very definition of making up statistics.

You are deluded Gandalf. Why does choosing 0% instead of any other number make a difference to whether you are making up statistics?

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Reply #107 - May 28^th, 2020 at 6:10pm

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2020 at 10:23am:

If you assume all Muslims are innocent, does that mean you think there is never any need to investigate Muslims for using Halal fees to fund terrorism?

Is this belief a religious requirement? Does your religion compel you to lie?

As usual you make this personal, as if everything I say has to come back to my faith. Even when (especially when) it has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam.

What I say is literally no different to me asserting that in the absense of any evidence, 0% of FD's spear-fishing club revenues goes to child pornography rings. No different whatsoever. And unless you are a hypocrite, you would have to insist that such an assertion is just as dishonest/stupid/delusional as what I'm saying about halal money.

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2020 at 10:23am:

You are deluded Gandalf.

Thanks FD. Thats a step up from being a liar.

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2020 at 10:23am:

Why does choosing 0% instead of any other number make a difference to whether you are making up statistics?

Because anything other than 0% means they are guilty of the crime of sending money to terrorists. Obviously. Only in your warped mind is guessing that someone invests "zero" percent of their money in illegal activities is somehow every bit as dishonest as guessing its 15.86% of their money - in the absense of any evidence. You are literally asking me how is it different if I assume they are guilty instead of assuming they are innocent. But thats you, for you.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding
Reply #108 - May 28^th, 2020 at 6:32pm

What if we went through every possible source of terrorism funding from Australian Muslims. Would you be willing to assert through that logic that not a single Australian Muslim funds terrorism?

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Because anything other than 0% means they are guilty of the crime of sending money to terrorists. Obviously.

What is obvious? You are still making up statistics. Argumentum ad consequentiam is a logical fallacy Gandalf.

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Reply #109 - May 28^th, 2020 at 7:00pm

FD, why is it that you ignore my spear-fishing analogy every time I bring it up?

Is it because you realise the analogy blows your entire 'argument' out of the water?

At least answer this simple question - if I asserted that 0% of your spear-fishing club's revenues goes to child pornography rings, would you carry on like a pork chop shrieking about 'making up statistics' and all the other hysterics?

freediver wrote on May 28^th, 2020 at 6:32pm:

Argumentum ad consequentiam

Suggest you look up what a term actually means before showing off your reportoire of latin phrases.

I'll give you a hint, argumentum ad consequentiam pretty much sums up the last 10 years of your posts here. A good example is "All muslims support genocide - because it fits my world view". In this instance its something like "how dare you assume muslims are innocent of a particular crime - that would go against my prejudiced attitudes against muslims".

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding
Reply #110 - May 28^th, 2020 at 7:37pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 28^th, 2020 at 6:10pm:

.....anything other than 0% means they [the moslem] are guilty of the crime of sending money to terrorists.

Obviously.

......You are literally asking me how is it different if I assume they are guilty instead of assuming they are innocent.

An innocent follower of ISLAM ?

Now that is an interesting and intriguing concept !!

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"Because anything other than 0% means they are guilty of the crime of sending money to terrorists.

Obviously."

Because he is a [willing] follower of ISLAM,
that means that the moslem [logically] is 100% guilty of being a party to the crime,
of supporting ISLAM in its religious cause, to enslave or to kill all disbelievers.

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THE CRIMINAL COMPACT [by our laws] AMONG MOSLEMS

CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0
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Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['unbelievers'].

.....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

[Koran 60:4]

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THE DICTATE OF ISLAM, ...IS CONFLICT AND VIOLENCE AGAINST EVERY DISBELIEVER [whenever the moslem is strong enough],
AS PER, DIRECTED, BY ISLAM'S INERRANT AND IMMUTABLE 'HOLY' TEXT....

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2
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MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1536141258/46#46

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/0#0

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Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding
Reply #111 - May 28^th, 2020 at 8:30pm

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FD, why is it that you ignore my spear-fishing analogy every time I bring it up?

Do you think 2 logical fallacies is better than 1?

You lied. You made up statistics. And you apparently think it is rational to justify those statistics because you can't cope with them being wrong. And you are are attempting to pretend that your motivation for telling these lies is something other than Islam.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 53070 Gender:	Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding Reply #112 - May 28^th, 2020 at 10:44pm The Forum's Biggest Rivalry is at it again. FreeDiver and Gmod_Gandalf.
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Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding
Reply #113 - May 29^th, 2020 at 2:20pm

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2020 at 10:23am:

You are deluded Gandalf. Why does choosing 0% instead of any other number make a difference to whether you are making up statistics?

That's right, G. Why don't you at least say 1 or 2% of funds go to the terrorists? Can't you at least concede that?

Why does it have to be 0%?

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Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding
Reply #114 - May 29^th, 2020 at 2:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 28^th, 2020 at 7:00pm:

At least answer this simple question - if I asserted that 0% of your spear-fishing club's revenues goes to child pornography rings, would you carry on like a pork chop shrieking about 'making up statistics' and all the other hysterics?

No, you have to say that, statistically speaking, anything between 0 and 100% of FD's spearfishing club's revenue goes to child pornography rings. That would be the correct figure, statistically speaking.

Mind you, they have to save a bit for administration, insurance, various fees and taxes, depreciation, wear and tear, that sort of thing. After tax, of course, for which I'm sure they're exempt.

So it could be anything up to about 80%.

FD's club spends up to 80% of its funds on child sex exploitation, can you believe it? It's an undeniable fact.

Ee-gad, what are the authorities doing about this?

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Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding
Reply #115 - May 29^th, 2020 at 2:46pm

freediver wrote on May 28^th, 2020 at 8:30pm:

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FD, why is it that you ignore my spear-fishing analogy every time I bring it up?

Do you think 2 logical fallacies is better than 1?

You lied. You made up statistics. And you apparently think it is rational to justify those statistics because you can't cope with them being wrong. And you are are attempting to pretend that your motivation for telling these lies is something other than Islam.

He's got you there, G. The only reason you're saying 0% is you're a Muslim. Your religion blinds you to the facts. Anything up to a hundred percent of your money funds terrorism.

The rest of us can see this all too clearly. We're not members of a retarded subspecies who's members worship a satanic moon god, squat down to pee and play with their dicks afterwards, you see.

We haven't swallowed the Kool Aid.

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Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding
Reply #116 - May 29^th, 2020 at 2:47pm

muslims are the worlds' greatest global terrorism threat.

Who funds the terrorists?

Well, muslims actually.

Bbuuuuutttt having said that, halal fees most definitely are never used to fund the muslim terrorists.

I know I know, The troll under the railway bridge sings this one

pigs will fly tomorrow

cows will jump over the moon

dishe will run away with spoon

the sun will rise in the west

cos allah knows best.

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Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding
Reply #117 - May 29^th, 2020 at 2:51pm

moses wrote on May 29^th, 2020 at 2:47pm:

muslims are the worlds' greatest global terrorism threat.

Who funds the terrorists?

Well, muslims actually.

Bbuuuuutttt having said that, halal fees most definitely are never used to fund the muslim terrorists.

I know I know, The troll under the railway bridge sings this one

https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gifpigs will fly tomorrowhttps://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gif

https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gifcows will jump over the moonhttps://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gif

https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gifdishe will run away with spoonhttps://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gif

https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gifthe sun will rise in the westhttps://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gif

https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gifcos allah knows best.https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gif

That's a good song, Moses. What do you think the correct figure is?

G's being rather cagey about this.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding Reply #118 - May 29^th, 2020 at 2:56pm No idea at all, but it is the depths of stupidity to say no halal fees would be used to fund islamic terrorism.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 99015	Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding Reply #119 - May 29^th, 2020 at 3:17pm moses wrote on May 29^th, 2020 at 2:56pm: No idea at all, but it is the depths of stupidity to say no halal fees would be used to fund islamic terrorism. Right, so how much is FD's mob chipping in to the child porn crowd?
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