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Re: Pell walks
Reply #420 - Apr 14^th, 2020 at 7:46pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 14^th, 2020 at 6:33pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 14^th, 2020 at 3:19pm:

I have to admit I'm far more comfortable with gregs and Aussies opinion of the decision, which seems to be on the basis of good faith in regards to the law.

Yaddas on the other hand, seems to be on te basis, that Pells a catholic archbishop therefore he could not have done it.

In one.

That is an accusation, with ZERO, ZERO, ZERO evidence to support such a view.

But that's OK.

Who needs evidence, to 'convict' a person ?

Not you, ...and not bojack.

And, not any false accuser.

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #421 - Apr 14^th, 2020 at 7:59pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14^th, 2020 at 6:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 14^th, 2020 at 6:12pm:

cods wrote on Apr 14^th, 2020 at 6:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14^th, 2020 at 6:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 13^th, 2020 at 4:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 13^th, 2020 at 2:07pm:

Where is full interview with Bolt?

I can only find 38 seconds of it here:

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6148718483001

It says at the bottom:

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6148718483001

This must-see televised interview will air on Tuesday
14 April at 7pm, only on Sky News Australia.

I don't have sky news. Cry

if you have Win TV bobs punch in 83

Yes.

It will be played on 'SKY on Win'.

Where i am, its ch. 85.

Win TV doesn't appear to be in Melbourne.

3 minutes of it here:

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6149030697001

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 88732 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Pell walks Reply #422 - Apr 14^th, 2020 at 8:06pm And now for a 50 year old claim by one person .... Jesus....
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Pell walks Reply #423 - Apr 14^th, 2020 at 11:24pm We've had the Chamberlain case. the Mallard case, the Rayney case, the Pell case... Australian definitely has a taste for latter-day witch hunts. Thank 'god' we don't have the death penalty!
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 112996 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Pell walks Reply #424 - Apr 15^th, 2020 at 5:20am NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 14^th, 2020 at 11:24pm: We've had the Chamberlain case. the Mallard case, the Rayney case, the Pell case... Australian definitely has a taste for latter-day witch hunts. Thank 'god' we don't have the death penalty! Thanks - that's almost an hour long - I'll watch it tonight.
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Re: Pell walks
Reply #425 - Apr 15^th, 2020 at 7:10am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14^th, 2020 at 6:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 14^th, 2020 at 6:12pm:

cods wrote on Apr 14^th, 2020 at 6:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14^th, 2020 at 6:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 13^th, 2020 at 4:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 13^th, 2020 at 2:07pm:

Where is full interview with Bolt?

I can only find 38 seconds of it here:

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6148718483001

It says at the bottom:

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6148718483001

This must-see televised interview will air on Tuesday
14 April at 7pm, only on Sky News Australia.

I don't have sky news. Cry

if you have Win TV bobs punch in 83

Yes.

It will be played on 'SKY on Win'.

Where i am, its ch. 85.

Win TV doesn't appear to be in Melbourne.

bobby,

Both cods and myself must live in regional areas [which have access to WIN TV].

But i see NON has provided you with a YT link, to the interview.

It was good, informative, imo.

And yes, it is scary how much, ignorant [and biased] 'witch-hunter-ry', is rife within modern, 'enlightened' Australia - and mostly, so rife, among those who always claim to be the 'tolerant-of-everyone' political LEFTISTS.

They are indeed so, so tolerant, but only of [only] those who share their own worldview [their own political biases]. /sarc off

And it is a bias and worldview, FULL OF HUMAN EMOTIONS, but where TRUTH and reason have no place.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Aussie Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 39464 Gender:	Re: Pell walks Reply #426 - Apr 15^th, 2020 at 7:57am Quote: You kept asking me why these allegations were not introduced in the criminal trial when you knew full well why....You are an ass hole mate!!! Angry Angry No, I did not, Phil. If you believe otherwise, show me where.
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Re: Pell walks
Reply #427 - Apr 15^th, 2020 at 8:39am

Yadda wrote on Apr 14^th, 2020 at 7:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 14^th, 2020 at 6:33pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 14^th, 2020 at 3:19pm:

I have to admit I'm far more comfortable with gregs and Aussies opinion of the decision, which seems to be on the basis of good faith in regards to the law.

Yaddas on the other hand, seems to be on te basis, that Pells a catholic archbishop therefore he could not have done it.

In one.

That is an accusation, with ZERO, ZERO, ZERO evidence to support such a view.

But that's OK.

Who needs evidence, to 'convict' a person ?

Not you, ...and not bojack.

And, not any false accuser.

Again I restate that your view is based on your confirmation bias. If this was a imam, you'd be falling over yourself to convict him based on one accuser.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #428 - Apr 15^th, 2020 at 9:12am

[bojack - speaking to my bias against ISLAM and the followers of ISLAM.....]

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 15^th, 2020 at 8:39am:

Again I restate that your view is based on your confirmation bias.

If this was a imam, you'd be falling over yourself to convict him based on one accuser.

As i have stated, previously, re ISLAM......

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1586218255/389#389
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Gnads,

I have lots, and lots of EVIDENCES, against ISLAM.

They are referenced within, and laid out for all to see, ...in the precepts and in the doctrines of ISLAM and ISLAMIC law.

One miscreant imam would simply be a small additional component, to the mountains of EVIDENCES against the malevolence of ISLAM,
towards those who are not 'believers'.

malevolent = = wishing evil to others.

The malevolence of ISLAM ? Start looking here !!!!

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

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A few choice verses, from Allah, on how to treat non-moslems,
....as recorded within ISLAM's 'most sacred' and holy book.

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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22

"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

THE DEATH CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT, OF ALLEGIANCE TO ALLAH's RELIGION...

"Say: "...If ye think that ye are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!" "
Koran 62.06

....n.b. Koran 62.06 is admonishing the believer, that his only true love, in this life [if he is a true moslem], is to die, fighting in Allah's cause. !!!

and on, and on, and on.....

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Pell walks Reply #429 - Apr 15^th, 2020 at 9:15am What a surprise. You may have evidence against Islam, but not against a particular imam. Or on the other hand, on the basis of your "evidence" against Islam, being a supposed "history" of misdoings, if we then applied the same to Pell, and used that against him, he's definitely in jail.
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Reply #430 - Apr 15^th, 2020 at 9:26am

[bojack - speaking to my bias against ISLAM and the followers of ISLAM.....]

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 15^th, 2020 at 8:39am:

Again I restate that your view is based on your confirmation bias.

If this was a imam, you'd be falling over yourself to convict him based on one accuser.

bojack,

And YES, i acknowledge, that many men, while acting as members of the Catholic Church, have done terrible things, including the sexual abuse, of many vulnerable children.

And i do condemn all of, the sexual abuse of children, committed by persons using their position, with in the Catholic Church, to hide from accountability for those serious crimes.

But let those persons be convicted, in a court of law, being convicted because of the EVIDENCES [multiple] PRESENTED IN A COURT OF LAW, against them.

And of course, let any moslem, be judged, upon the same evidences [multiple] being presented, against them.

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #431 - Apr 15^th, 2020 at 9:28am

Yadda wrote on Apr 15^th, 2020 at 9:26am:

[bojack - speaking to my bias against ISLAM and the followers of ISLAM.....]

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 15^th, 2020 at 8:39am:

Again I restate that your view is based on your confirmation bias.

If this was a imam, you'd be falling over yourself to convict him based on one accuser.

bojack,

And YES, i acknowledge, that many men, while acting as members of the Catholic Church, have done terrible things, including the sexual abuse, of many vulnerable children.

And i do condemn all of, the sexual abuse of children, committed by persons using their position, with in the Catholic Church, to hide from accountability for those serious crimes.

Evasion of my question. You've tried and convicted our hypothetical imam on the basis of what Islam has or hasn't done. Why not applying same basis to Pell?

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Reply #432 - Apr 15^th, 2020 at 9:42am

Yadda wrote on Apr 15^th, 2020 at 9:26am:

But let those persons be convicted, in a court of law, being convicted because of the EVIDENCES [multiple] PRESENTED IN A COURT OF LAW, against them.

And of course, let any moslem, be judged, upon the same evidences [multiple] being presented, against them.

Australia is a nation whose laws, establish that ONE LAW [one system of JUSTICE], should apply to all men.

That ONE LAW, should apply to every accused person.

I have no argument [at all], against such a principle [of justice].

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Pell walks
Reply #433 - Apr 15^th, 2020 at 9:49am

Yadda wrote on Apr 15^th, 2020 at 9:42am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 15^th, 2020 at 9:26am:

But let those persons be convicted, in a court of law, being convicted because of the EVIDENCES [multiple] PRESENTED IN A COURT OF LAW, against them.

And of course, let any moslem, be judged, upon the same evidences [multiple] being presented, against them.

Australia is a nation whose laws, establish that ONE LAW [one system of JUSTICE], should apply to all men.

That ONE LAW, should apply to every accused person.

I have no argument [at all], against such a principle [of justice].

So to clarify, in the case of an imam with one accuser against him in a court of law, you'd be happy with an similar verdict to the Pell case.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #434 - Apr 15^th, 2020 at 10:01am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 15^th, 2020 at 9:49am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 15^th, 2020 at 9:42am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 15^th, 2020 at 9:26am:

But let those persons be convicted, in a court of law, being convicted because of the EVIDENCES [multiple] PRESENTED IN A COURT OF LAW, against them.

And of course, let any moslem, be judged, upon the same evidences [multiple] being presented, against them.

Australia is a nation whose laws, establish that ONE LAW [one system of JUSTICE], should apply to all men.

That ONE LAW, should apply to every accused person.

I have no argument [at all], against such a principle [of justice].

So to clarify, in the case of an imam with one accuser against him in a court of law, you'd be happy with an similar verdict to the Pell case.

Of course.

If there was no additional, no further substantiating, no further corroborating evidence, against him,
it would be very wrong, to convict him for a particular accused crime.

But if he had openly uttered a wish, if he had openly uttered an intention, to act unlawfully, and to harm others,
then he should be convicted, upon his own testimony,
THAT HE WOULD BE A DANGER, TO THE WIDER COMMUNITY, AND A DANGER, TO THOSE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO HIS PERSON.

Is that position, very unreasonable of me ?

In your opinion ?

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