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We Dont Want Your Miserable Toll Roads
Feb 21st, 2020 at 12:20pm
 
Sydney's growing toll road network world's most extensive and expensive, experts say  Sad

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25 Feb 2019,


Providing transport infrastructure and reducing congestion are key issues leading into any NSW election, especially for voters suffering ongoing traffic torment in Sydney.

And it will bring them little comfort to know that transport experts have given the city the dubious honour of having the most extensive — and expensive — urban toll road network in the world.

Sydney has nine toll roads that include a total of 15 toll points, and will soon have even more when motorways under construction are completed.

Currently, motorists are charged when driving on the:   Sad

    M2
    new M4 WestConnex
    M5
    M7
    M4
    Eastern Distributor
    Cross-City Tunnel
    Lane Cove Tunnel
    Sydney Harbour Bridge
    Sydney Harbour Tunnel

M4 widening
The WestConnex network will have six toll points once completed.

There will be at least six additional tolls between now and 2023 upon completion of the:

    M4 tunnels
    M5 (from Beverly Hills to St Peters)
    M5 East (Beverly Hills to General Holmes Drive)
    M4-M5 link
    NorthConnex

"In terms of the kilometres of tolls in the urban area, Sydney has the most in the world," said Chinh Ho, senior lecturer with the Institute of Transport Logistics Studies at the University of Sydney.

    "We have an expensive network of toll roads.

"The question is more to do whether or not people are willing to pay for them, or whether we head down the right track and bring in infrastructure not based on tolls."

Fees range for cars from $1.67 on the Military Road e-ramp to $7.45 on the Hills M2 Motorway at North Ryde.

The WestConnex has a wide range of fees from $4.93 on the new widened M4 to $7.89 on the new M4 between Parramatta (Church Street) and Haberfield (Parramatta Road and City West Link).

Total toll charges on the WestConnex will be capped at $9.30.
Matters of State
Getting from A to B
With public transport dominating discussion in both city and the regions, what are the major parties offering to keep NSW moving?


'Tolls don't work'   Sad

Government promises that toll roads would ease traffic congestion and were crucial to the city's future have been dismissed as rhetorical "rubbish" by Dr Michelle Zeibots, research director of the UTS Transport Research Centre.

"Tollways aren't successful at reducing road congestion," she said.

"The reason why governments continue to build them is that they are put under enormous pressure by the tollway industry and individuals sometimes within their own party, who I would suggest are there to see tollway businesses make a lot of money.

"But that is at the expense of the general community and the local businesses of Sydney.

    "What Sydney needs is more public transport."

Dr Zeibots cited the Cross-City and Lane Cove tunnels as examples where initial traffic projections inflated the number of vehicles that would use the roads.

The Cross-City Tunnel went bankrupt after 16 months, and some transport experts fear stage 3 of WestConnex could follow the same route and attract less cars than predicted.


How are tolls calculated

Road infrastructure is expensive to build and the Government has no choice but to pass on the cost to users.   Tongue

The motorway operators establish pricing points in consultation with the government.

A Transport for NSW spokesman said "different tolling approaches" existed for NSW motorways.

The pricing points, toll increases and length of the concession period (until the road is paid off) are determined by factors such as the cost of construction and the funding and financing needs of the project.
What's the toll from Lapstone Hill to Anzac Bridge?
Ben submitted a question to You Ask, We Answer, wondering how much it would cost him to travel from Lapstone Hill in the Blue Mountains to Anzac Bridge.

Using the LinkT toll calculator and the journey directions suggested by Google Maps:

– the fastest route would be to take the M7, M2 and M1 via the Lane Cove Tunnel and the Harbour Bridge for a total of $22.79 in tolls.   Sad

– the longer route (by about six minutes) via the M4 into the city came to $4.93.

– once the WestConnex/M4 is completed, and if Ben was to use the M4 at Lapstone Hill, the widened M4 at Parramatta, then the new M4 between Parramatta and Haberfield, the toll total would be capped at $9.30.

Other considerations include increases in expenses, income and comparable toll roads, that tolls are charged for both directions of the motorway, and that trucks fees are three times higher than cars.

Transurban, which operates the nine toll roads, detailed during the 2017 Inquiry into Road Tolling that the value of time savings was also a price factor.

The 2.1km Cross-City Tunnel, which cost $680 million to build, costs drivers $5.74 with the concession.  Sad
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Reply #1 - Feb 21st, 2020 at 1:11pm
 
The key points

Grubby public servants stand to make a lot of money from allowing these things to be built.
Both from the taxes skimmed off the top.
And from the back genders they get.

Our grubberment honestly believe that the Australian worker has far too much money.
They will always look at every possible dubious and suspect scheme on earth and some new immoral ones to rob us blind.

We desperately need a REVOLUTION.
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Reply #2 - Feb 21st, 2020 at 2:38pm
 
What we need are policies that put downward pressure on these scourges.

A moratorium on Federal funding for all toll roads.
No new toll road to be built unless tolls are removed from one or two roads first. "Asset recycling" innit.
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Reply #3 - Feb 21st, 2020 at 2:42pm
 
Bam wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 2:38pm:
What we need are policies that put downward pressure on these scourges.

A moratorium on Federal funding for all toll roads.
No new toll road to be built unless tolls are removed from one or two roads first. "Asset recycling" innit.


But that would cut deep into all the grubby public servants and politicians who get kickbacks from the toll roads.

Remember
To a public servant
All that matters is
What's in it for them.
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Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2020 at 2:43pm
 

I'd love to see a WA Government try to introduce a toll road.

They'd end up in opposition for the next 30 years.

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Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2020 at 3:11pm
 
I will happily pay to bypass Pennant Hills Rd when going from M7 towards M1 to Newcastle

Northconnex whooppee supposed to finish 2020
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Reply #6 - Feb 21st, 2020 at 3:16pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 2:42pm:
Bam wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 2:38pm:
What we need are policies that put downward pressure on these scourges.

A moratorium on Federal funding for all toll roads.
No new toll road to be built unless tolls are removed from one or two roads first. "Asset recycling" innit.


But that would cut deep into all the grubby public servants and politicians who get kickbacks from the toll roads.

Remember
To a public servant
All that matters is
What's in it for them.



Kickbacks:

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Reply #7 - Feb 21st, 2020 at 3:20pm
 
IFL road tolls.

Yesterday my first 3 bookings were at Chatswood, Artarmon then Milsons Pt. My next was at Darling Point but I had a bit of time to fill so I was going to go for a walk, get a coffee. A call came in from a client at Rozelle, I asked if we could do it right away, he said yup, I said cool, will confirm in 1 min. I called Darling Point client to ask if 30mins late would be OK, he said yup.

Thru the Cross City Tunnel, I was there in 15 mins and back in time to be only 15 mins late for the original booking time. $300+GST invoice the extra job and $10 in tolls.

Traveling by surface would have taken 45m+ each way. 

MORE TOLL ROADS PLEASE!!!!!!
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Reply #8 - Feb 21st, 2020 at 4:35pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 3:20pm:
IFL road tolls.

Yesterday my first 3 bookings were at Chatswood, Artarmon then Milsons Pt. My next was at Darling Point but I had a bit of time to fill so I was going to go for a walk, get a coffee. A call came in from a client at Rozelle, I asked if we could do it right away, he said yup, I said cool, will confirm in 1 min. I called Darling Point client to ask if 30mins late would be OK, he said yup.

Thru the Cross City Tunnel, I was there in 15 mins and back in time to be only 15 mins late for the original booking time. $300+GST invoice the extra job and $10 in tolls.

Traveling by surface would have taken 45m+ each way. 

MORE TOLL ROADS PLEASE!!!!!!




what lefties do not understand is

drumroll please!!!!!!


NOTHING IS FREE...

the only thing the local council does for ME   is takeaway my garbage once a week....

yeu by the time I die I will have paid them hundreds of thousands of dollars in RATES....


guess what crook I DONT WANT THEM EITHER... Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Reply #9 - Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:20pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 2:43pm:
I'd love to see a WA Government try to introduce a toll road.

They'd end up in opposition for the next 30 years.



Barnett was going to build Roe 8 which was a toll road....His Government was smashed at the next election....I hear Troy Buzwell is in trouble again this time it is for assault on a woman....Just sayin???

Huh Huh Huh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-05/wa-premier-says-toll-will-go-ahead-on-roe...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-20/former-treasurer-troy-buswell-charged-wit...
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Reply #10 - Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 2:43pm:
I'd love to see a WA Government try to introduce a toll road.

They'd end up in opposition for the next 30 years.



Barnett was going to build Roe 8 which was a toll road....His Government was smashed at the next election....I hear Troy Buzwell is in trouble again this time it is for assault on a woman....Just sayin???

Huh Huh Huh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-05/wa-premier-says-toll-will-go-ahead-on-roe...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-20/former-treasurer-troy-buswell-charged-wit...


I'm not saying you guys don't get some bad traffic, but I guarantee you have nothing like the soul destroying congestion we have in every part of Sydney.

People here grumble about a new toll road price but when they see it cuts a  20km/1 hour commute in half, the grumbling stops.

You can't compare Sydney and Perth.
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Reply #11 - Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:48pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 2:43pm:
I'd love to see a WA Government try to introduce a toll road.

They'd end up in opposition for the next 30 years.



Barnett was going to build Roe 8 which was a toll road....His Government was smashed at the next election....I hear Troy Buzwell is in trouble again this time it is for assault on a woman....Just sayin???

Huh Huh Huh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-05/wa-premier-says-toll-will-go-ahead-on-roe...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-20/former-treasurer-troy-buswell-charged-wit...


I'm not saying you guys don't get some bad traffic, but I guarantee you have nothing like the soul destroying congestion we have in every part of Sydney.

People here grumble about a new toll road price but when they see it cuts a  20km/1 hour commute in half, the grumbling stops.

You can't compare Sydney and Perth.


I wouldn't know Gordon because I have never paid a toll in my life....Why does Sydney need so many toll roads anyway....Surely the richest State in Australia could stump up for the taxpayer???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #12 - Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:50pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 2:43pm:
I'd love to see a WA Government try to introduce a toll road.

They'd end up in opposition for the next 30 years.



Barnett was going to build Roe 8 which was a toll road....His Government was smashed at the next election....I hear Troy Buzwell is in trouble again this time it is for assault on a woman....Just sayin???

Huh Huh Huh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-05/wa-premier-says-toll-will-go-ahead-on-roe...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-20/former-treasurer-troy-buswell-charged-wit...


I'm not saying you guys don't get some bad traffic, but I guarantee you have nothing like the soul destroying congestion we have in every part of Sydney.

People here grumble about a new toll road price but when they see it cuts a  20km/1 hour commute in half, the grumbling stops.

You can't compare Sydney and Perth.



WA needs to watch the 6o/c news from the East....

and see Sydneys carparks  known as roads..

they are ffamous for their crawl home every night...

the same old same old.. and you know what gordy....

its getting that way in ACT...where we think traffic lights will fix it.......
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Reply #13 - Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:55pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:48pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 2:43pm:
I'd love to see a WA Government try to introduce a toll road.

They'd end up in opposition for the next 30 years.



Barnett was going to build Roe 8 which was a toll road....His Government was smashed at the next election....I hear Troy Buzwell is in trouble again this time it is for assault on a woman....Just sayin???

Huh Huh Huh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-05/wa-premier-says-toll-will-go-ahead-on-roe...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-20/former-treasurer-troy-buswell-charged-wit...


I'm not saying you guys don't get some bad traffic, but I guarantee you have nothing like the soul destroying congestion we have in every part of Sydney.

People here grumble about a new toll road price but when they see it cuts a  20km/1 hour commute in half, the grumbling stops.

You can't compare Sydney and Perth.


I wouldn't know Gordon because I have never paid a toll in my life....Why does Sydney need so many toll roads anyway....Surely the richest State in Australia could stump up for the taxpayer???

Huh Huh Huh




they used the old early goat tracks   as road maps thats why......commonsense tells everyone to knock down rows of old houses..and widen the roads... but not in Sydney......and so it goes on....

London did in fact benefit from some of the bombing.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Sydney did try skyrail...what a mess that made....

also it has a population problem....they allowed the DEVELOPERS to build everywhere.....people before infrastructure.
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Reply #14 - Feb 21st, 2020 at 6:06pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:48pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 5:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2020 at 2:43pm:
I'd love to see a WA Government try to introduce a toll road.

They'd end up in opposition for the next 30 years.



Barnett was going to build Roe 8 which was a toll road....His Government was smashed at the next election....I hear Troy Buzwell is in trouble again this time it is for assault on a woman....Just sayin???

Huh Huh Huh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-05/wa-premier-says-toll-will-go-ahead-on-roe...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-20/former-treasurer-troy-buswell-charged-wit...


I'm not saying you guys don't get some bad traffic, but I guarantee you have nothing like the soul destroying congestion we have in every part of Sydney.

People here grumble about a new toll road price but when they see it cuts a  20km/1 hour commute in half, the grumbling stops.

You can't compare Sydney and Perth.


I wouldn't know Gordon because I have never paid a toll in my life....Why does Sydney need so many toll roads anyway....Surely the richest State in Australia could stump up for the taxpayer???

Huh Huh Huh


How many KM of tunnels does Perth  have?

Add 3 million people to your city then Ill ask your provincial opinion.
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