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I've explained how it works

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"works" being the key point. I love speculation.
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My first thought - is it?
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Reply #33 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 4:03pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:58pm:
"works" being the key point. I love speculation.




good on you

and as you're so concerned that the facts be revealed to you

be sure to watch the evening's news


meanwhile, millions of Aussies are drawing their own conclusions based on information provided to date by the media and authorities


and really, there's not much to consider

woman emerges from bomb blast vehicle claiming 'he poured petrol on me'

someone poured an accelerant on her, that's for sure.  She was on fire, literally.  She's now fighting for her life

her kids were incinerated by the same individual who poured petrol on their mother

the individual claimed by media to be responsible for the carnage is the woman's husband and the children's father

the media is obviously fairly clued-up because they've reported the father stabbed himself either before or after setting fire to his family

doubt a stab wound would be easily discerned in a burned body by randoms passing by.  So the media has sources who've revealed that information


If it turns out, after investigation, that some other person stabbed the father, poured petrol on the wife and incinerated three children trapped in a vehicle … the media and authorities will doubtless inform us

until then, pansy-boy, grandstanding, ex footy player is considered responsible by almost everyone aware of the incident

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Reply #34 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 4:07pm
 
This is why I can't watch the news much....
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Reply #35 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 4:07pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:51pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:49pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:02pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:01pm:
PZ547 wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 2:49pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 2:45pm:
Ill say it. BLOODY OATH IT WAS A MURDER SUICIDE.

She was supposed to die as well. He was killing them all. What a psycopathic piece of shyte. To do that to your defenceless children and wife. Why?  What did they do wrong? Absolutely nothing. Even if she cheated with your best mate....move on ffs and enjoy your children. They're innocent.

I bet this fqqer was a mad control freak behind closed doors.


news sources are saying his life fell apart when their gym business collapsed, followed by imminent divorce.  Police had been called to their residence in the past re DV, according to reports

three kids burned alive
their mother might pull through followed by years of physical therapy.  For me, it would be kinder if she died, considering what awaits her if she pulls through
Neighbours traumatised, badly

hope those children died very swiftly




I doubt it.
They dies in excruciating pain. Hence my post above that bojack wants to critique.



I';m critiquing the need to shoot your mouth off before we know all the facts. Maybe this guy was in severe untreated depression



doubtful.

you should read the writings of Eric Harris, one of the columbine school shooters.he wasnt depressed. he was delighted in what he was doing .
another great book is "ordinary men" which details how ordinary policemen in germany in 1939 were conscripted and ended up being up to shoot kneeling pregnant jews in the back of the head.

the thing is, that to many people who think well of themselves, these incidents need an explanation and that explanation cant be
"human beings, just like me, are capable of such things"

but the truth is, everyone should examine these sort of incidents from the viewpoint of the perpetrator and encounter their "shadow".

everyone has one , the idea was popularised by  Carl Jung.

you have a very dark bitter resentful twisted part of your make up and if you arent willing to admit that and confront that, then that shadow may possess you and take you out (and other people as well).

modern society has this idea that people are basicly good.
most people think they themselves are basicly good.

wrong

you are good and bad, and that bad can extend all the way to hell.

you need to get it under control and you need to not be naive about these sorts of things.

this guy wasnt deopressed.
this guy was posssessed by his shadow. by evil if you like.
its the second story of the bible, the bitter resentful cain slaying abel.
its that archetypal .

if you encounter someone "truly evil" and you are naive, you are very likely to get PTSD.
you just cant comprehend it.

far better to face up to it (including in yourself).

then you wont get ptsd.

you will look at this bloke and know that he didnt get his dark side under control and it possessed him.

and maybe that will motivate you to get your dark side under control .


people dont want to do that though.
it would terrify them to admit their lust for predatory power.
but its always there just beneath the surface.

i have an inkling that the biggest virtue signallers often feel the shadow welling up and need to "signal their virtue" because their own darkness terrifies them




OK I apologise PZ547 and Captain Caveman. Go free and say whatever you want. It still won't be as misguided and idiotic as this smacking dingbat



now now,

you sound bitter and resentful and angry.

your shadow is possessing you.

you should go and lie down and meditate on evil acts and realise that you are the sort of creature that could also participate
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Reply #36 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 4:22pm
 
@Aqua

we're not all fortunate enough to be born with even average intelligence, self-control, etc.

It doesn't take much to tip someone over the edge

we don't know what the father in this instance, suffered in his own early life.  We don't know the extent to which he based his identity and worth in being a 'big man', a success be it on the field or in business or as a husband and father

If he murdered his family, it might have seemed TO HIM, at THAT TIME, to be a reasonable response to circumstances

clearly, he wasn't thinking straight

Not everyone copes well at all with adversity

not everyone can cope with what they perceive to be personal failure

He stuffed up, no doubt, if he in fact murdered his family

he caused immeasurable suffering and prolonged suffering to everyone associated with him and his family

It made sense to him at the time.  He consulted no one as it's hardly likely his wife would have agreed on behalf of herself and three children, to be burned alive

that's the thing.  He made the decision.  He felt he was entitled to do so.  He believed, no doubt, that what he was about to do was BEST for all concerned.  He didn't put it to the vote

Yet if people mentioned in the news are correct, he was hinting at what he intended to do some days ago.  Maybe he was hoping someone would step in and stop him … would
'fix' his shattered life and self-view?

if so, he was to be disappointed, because apparently the ENTIRE WORLD did not read his facebook posts

and no one stepped in

So if we're going to get analytical about it, maybe he was insulted that too few people even saw his facebook posts?  Maybe that was just another blow to his ego?  So he decided .. . 'I'll show them' !  ?

who knows.  For the media it's another big-click item.  People are fascinated.  'If it bleeds it leads'.  A big ticket item for today followed by .... follow ups

the people have grown used to tragedy as entertainment.  Tomorrow it will be something else

and in reality, it's another kitchen sink drama.  They happen every hour of every day

It couldn't have been avoided.  They guy figured he had nowhere to go.  Career finished. Business folded.  Divorce soon and he was looking at getting older as a divorced man, failed businessman, his career buried beneath all those who replaced him and three kids to support for another decade or so

so let's end it all.  Big time.  Everyone goes.  Cop that



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Reply #37 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 4:26pm
 
So you don't have kids.

When you have children bojack you will understand what I am saying.
You treat every story like this one as if it effects your own children.....even though it doesn't effect them directly.
Kids are helpless and rely on their parents for safety....when that is breached, I hold grudges.

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Reply #38 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 4:37pm
 
TV reporters at the scene are saying now the father died from self inflicted knife wounds

something about a jerry can of petrol purchased at a local service station

wife heard saying 'he poured petrol over me'

police stating there are at least two other scenes associated with the crime to be investigated

early news stating (in contradiction to other news reports) that three people died in the vehicle (children) and two in hospital, one being the wife and the other being someone who tried to assist at the scene of the inferno

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Reply #39 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 4:47pm
 
PZ547 wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:17pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:11pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:09pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:02pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:01pm:
PZ547 wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 2:49pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 2:45pm:
Ill say it. BLOODY OATH IT WAS A MURDER SUICIDE.

She was supposed to die as well. He was killing them all. What a psycopathic piece of shyte. To do that to your defenceless children and wife. Why?  What did they do wrong? Absolutely nothing. Even if she cheated with your best mate....move on ffs and enjoy your children. They're innocent.

I bet this fqqer was a mad control freak behind closed doors.


news sources are saying his life fell apart when their gym business collapsed, followed by imminent divorce.  Police had been called to their residence in the past re DV, according to reports

three kids burned alive
their mother might pull through followed by years of physical therapy.  For me, it would be kinder if she died, considering what awaits her if she pulls through
Neighbours traumatised, badly

hope those children died very swiftly




I doubt it.
They dies in excruciating pain. Hence my post above that bojack wants to critique.



I';m critiquing the need to shoot your mouth off before we know all the facts. Maybe this guy was in severe untreated depression




I don't give a fkkk where this blokes head was at....you don't do that to your children.

Let me guess....you don't have kids do you?




Let me guess......you haven't had depression?




how about this for depression, Bojack ….

I already HAD deep depression aged seven

it was exacerbated when my father bashed us for hours, ranting out of its head

before tossing anything movable from within the house to the front lawn

he built a pile

all our clothes, few that were

our puny collection of toys

everything we had in other words, that wasn't nailed down


He then got a can of petrol and … still ranting to draw an audience … sprinkled it over all our stuff

Sunday morning. People trying to catch a bit of extra shut-eye, looking forward to a family get together maybe, or going for a swim .. whatever normal people plan while they're dozing on Sunday morning

Then my idiot 'depressed' father jumped up on the pile of our belongings

he had quite the audience

and from his pocket, he drew a box of matches

Of course, normal people there were trying to talk him down, trying to placate the maniac

my siblings were even younger than I

my mother was cowering in shame in her nightie

'Come on ! '  screamed the maniac with the matches, 'Who's going to join me?  You?' … he pointed to me,  'Come on up here with old Dad.  You're not afraid of old Dad are you? '

I had to try to work out in seconds if my going up on the petrol soaked pile would mollify him

would he hesitate to light the matches if I were up there with him?

or would he continue his frenzy and set us both on fire?

in seconds, a kid has to try to figure out a bullying, dominant, 'depressed' parent figure

meanwhile, the neighbours were trying to pacify him

siblings screaming and clinging to our mother

all of us battered and bruised from the beating earlier on


Finally, the big showman allowed himself to be pulled down from our petrol soaked things

yes, he was comforted

'You don't want to do things like this, mate.  Come on, let's go to our place and we can have a beer and a talk '

because at the end of the day, it was all about him

his life's dreams hadn't worked out for him

someone had to pay

And while he was being comforted, we began dragging our stuff from the pile and laying it out on the grass in the hope it would all dry and be good


of course everyone at school heard about it

including the teachers, other kids parents

Siblings and I were ostracised.  Too dangerous to get involved with

Dear old Dad on the other hand had a vehicle to escape in.  He could earn money.  He could do any thing he liked, unlike little kids trapped in a family zoo

No coppers around much back then and half an hour's drive away anyway.  And they didn't like doing much to impede men's natural instincts.  Took decades and much discussion and new laws before cops were prepared to haul lunatics in

do you imagine my siblings and I suffered 'depression' and felt suicidal .. then and in all the years to follow

so don't try the old 'depression' number when a parent kills their kids because their little life plan fell apart.  Time to man up when things go screwy.  Or they should just go away and kill themselves quietly instead of imagining they are gods in their own estimation, free to kill

and his idiot facebook posts reportedly gave forewarning of his intentions

his kids deserved a better, much better father


OMG pz and I thought I had a lousy father....thats a terrible story    do you have counselling of any kind.?...I cant believe you just grow up and move on from something like that...my heart breaks for you and your siblings....

as for this tragic case...again children in the hands of adults their very own protectors.....this happens more and more. if this proves true...I believe the human race is sinking lower and lower...murder suicide is most common.. Cry Cry
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Reply #40 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 4:50pm
 
PZ547 wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 4:37pm:
TV reporters at the scene are saying now the father died from self inflicted knife wounds

something about a jerry can of petrol purchased at a local service station

wife heard saying 'he poured petrol over me'

police stating there are at least two other scenes associated with the crime to be investigated

early news stating (in contradiction to other news reports) that three people died in the vehicle (children) and two in hospital, one being the wife and the other being someone who tried to assist at the scene of the inferno





to burn your children alive.....

how does anyone do that????...

I understand first responders are in counselling  it must be horrific for everyone involved.... Cry Cry Cry Cry


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Reply #41 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 5:17pm
 
PZ547 wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 4:22pm:
@Aqua

we're not all fortunate enough to be born with even average intelligence, self-control, etc.

It doesn't take much to tip someone over the edge

we don't know what the father in this instance, suffered in his own early life.  We don't know the extent to which he based his identity and worth in being a 'big man', a success be it on the field or in business or as a husband and father

If he murdered his family, it might have seemed TO HIM, at THAT TIME, to be a reasonable response to circumstances

clearly, he wasn't thinking straight

Not everyone copes well at all with adversity

not everyone can cope with what they perceive to be personal failure

He stuffed up, no doubt, if he in fact murdered his family

he caused immeasurable suffering and prolonged suffering to everyone associated with him and his family

It made sense to him at the time.  He consulted no one as it's hardly likely his wife would have agreed on behalf of herself and three children, to be burned alive

that's the thing.  He made the decision.  He felt he was entitled to do so.  He believed, no doubt, that what he was about to do was BEST for all concerned.  He didn't put it to the vote

Yet if people mentioned in the news are correct, he was hinting at what he intended to do some days ago.  Maybe he was hoping someone would step in and stop him … would
'fix' his shattered life and self-view?

if so, he was to be disappointed, because apparently the ENTIRE WORLD did not read his facebook posts

and no one stepped in

So if we're going to get analytical about it, maybe he was insulted that too few people even saw his facebook posts?  Maybe that was just another blow to his ego?  So he decided .. . 'I'll show them' !  ?

who knows.  For the media it's another big-click item.  People are fascinated.  'If it bleeds it leads'.  A big ticket item for today followed by .... follow ups

the people have grown used to tragedy as entertainment.  Tomorrow it will be something else

and in reality, it's another kitchen sink drama.  They happen every hour of every day

It couldn't have been avoided.  They guy figured he had nowhere to go.  Career finished. Business folded.  Divorce soon and he was looking at getting older as a divorced man, failed businessman, his career buried beneath all those who replaced him and three kids to support for another decade or so

so let's end it all.
  Big time.  Everyone goes.  Cop that






i like your post PZ.

it certainly seems that things were not "going his way" and he became "bitter and resentful" about that.

and then catastrophe occurs.

as i say,

life will lay a turd on your doorstep.
if it hasnt happened yet, dont worry, its coming.

and you better hope that you have done the years of brutal training so that when the turd arrives, you can give it a wry smile and then pick up your cross and bear it with nobility and become the sort of creature that can take the pain.

being a farmer , i am acutely aware of this.

i see people who have just faced too many turds dumped on their doorstep and they are done.

its why farmers need to watch the bitterness and the resentment and the nihilism, because there is always access to a gun.

like i say, train yourself to embrace pain.
train yourself to love it when its hard.

i would have said to this guy  "how do you get physically strong in the gym?
"
you push yourself thru the pain barrier.

how do you get mentally strong in life?

you push yourself thru the pain barrier.
he could have seen business failure and divorce as some heavy weights he needed to lift to become stronger
he didnt
he felt sorry for himself and had a tantrum.

a fully grown infant is an ugly thing
boys arent growing up nowdays.
the first bit of pressure and they fall to pieces.
its not good and i lay the blame at the "compassion masking uselessness" leftie education and PC social order  system

once you lose sight of the need to be mentally tough  and you  become a cry baby, you are done
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Reply #42 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 5:23pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:14pm:
PZ547 wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:12pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:09pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:02pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:01pm:
PZ547 wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 2:49pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 2:45pm:
Ill say it. BLOODY OATH IT WAS A MURDER SUICIDE.

She was supposed to die as well. He was killing them all. What a psycopathic piece of shyte. To do that to your defenceless children and wife. Why?  What did they do wrong? Absolutely nothing. Even if she cheated with your best mate....move on ffs and enjoy your children. They're innocent.

I bet this fqqer was a mad control freak behind closed doors.


news sources are saying his life fell apart when their gym business collapsed, followed by imminent divorce.  Police had been called to their residence in the past re DV, according to reports

three kids burned alive
their mother might pull through followed by years of physical therapy.  For me, it would be kinder if she died, considering what awaits her if she pulls through
Neighbours traumatised, badly

hope those children died very swiftly




I doubt it.
They dies in excruciating pain. Hence my post above that bojack wants to critique.



I';m critiquing the need to shoot your mouth off before we know all the facts. Maybe this guy was in severe untreated depression




I don't give a fkkk where this blokes head was at....you don't do that to your children.

Let me guess....you don't have kids do you?




it derives a feeling of puny power by contradicting others posts

thereby switching the topic to itself

while it's hoping to pizz other posters off







All I'm asking is to hold off any judgement until we know all the facts. Why is that an inherently bad position to take?


are you kidding? on this forum ... it's 'shoot first, aim later' here mate Wink
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Reply #43 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 5:46pm
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 5:23pm:
are you kidding? on this forum ... it's 'shoot first, aim later' here mate Wink


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Hang 'em all - let god sort 'em out!
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Reply #44 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 6:06pm
 
Shouldn't we be banging on about how evil white men are and how they don't care about anyone but themselves....If this bloke was from a minority group  (Muslims, Abo's or Indian) the forum dickheads would be up in arms blaming which ever group the individual came from....Why aren't you all blaming the white man for this???

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