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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #165 - Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 6:15pm

chimera wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 3:48am:

We could do a new thread but it's clearer here if we can see your previous comments.

Of course murder of a relative happens, rarely to a kid. Your examples are of motives claiming honour , starvation or militarism. They are of 1 individual and not of mum, all the kids and dad. This car fire was from personal psychosis / drugs / insanity with no claim of higher purpose.

The HG infanticide articles are speculation. One is only readable by buying and I asked for facts which you don't give. Evidently tribal infanticide is from tribal starvation, as in the above comments : not total family burning with suicide.

Even the Goebbels family deaths in 1945 had some claim about national honour and escaping Russian vengeance. He told a dentist to use morphine on his kids to avoid suffering . Tribal infanticide maybe avoided suffering of a starving child.

The Bible example you gave of the sacrificed girl was answered by referring to the chapter in the Bible book Judges. Why did you reply that way? She grieved for her virginity - how is that if she's about to be burnt ? It describes her going off for 2 months but not a word about her death by fire.

The problem with this post is you are moving the goal posts from what I originally was addressing.

chimera wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 6:44pm:

But not their own kids. Goebbels killed his in 1945 , some Germans suicided but most didn't. We don't copy family murder just because of thinking about it , an evil thought. Ancestors didn't . So it must be off the scale to kill our kids and into insanity such as drug insanity.

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Reply #166 - Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 6:49pm

I stated it in past posts and now it's official

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Killer dad Rowan Charles Baxter had a pathological hatred of women, believing their only purpose was cleaning and sex, his disgusted cousin said

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The first member of the evil killer's family to speak out about his crime, Sandra Taylor said she had feared for her own life due to his dark history of violence.

After she reached out to help his estranged wife, Baxter even began to stalk her too, leaving dog faeces outside her front door

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'He was continually working past my store and at the shopping centre, the same one where Hannah worked.

'For everybody else - they're shocked. I'm not.

'One time, Hannah had come to the car and he

[Baxter] was letting Trey play with all the photos of his mother cut up.

'Very, very threatening that Hannah's life was coming to an end

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more at LINK

A deep-seated, pathological hatred of women can't be taught, can't be imposed. Natural men enjoy women

= Baxter was a pooftah

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Reply #167 - Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 7:16pm

its time all recipients of DVOs are made to wear an ankle bracelet that sends signals to both the victim and the police when they cross the line that has been drawn..

the moment it is broken JAIL....where psychiatrists need to evaluate them before they are released....

a PIECE OF PAPER doesnt CUT IT... Angry

how many women and children living in fear right at this very moment........after hearing this story they are even more frightened to move out.

the Perp seems to win every time..

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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #168 - Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 7:19pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 21^st, 2020 at 11:35am:

chimera wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 6:44pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 6:26pm:

they were able to unload jews for gassing and before they gassed them they would make them carry 100 lb bags of salt

But not their own kids. Goebbels killed his in 1945 , some Germans suicided but most didn't. We don't copy family murder just because of thinking about it , an evil thought. Ancestors didn't . So it must be off the scale to kill our kids and into insanity such as drug insanity.

People have been killing their own kids ever since we started having them. Some off the cuff examples, Spartans, Romans, hunter gatherer population control, not to mention the godly.

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This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death with stones

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"If you give the Ammonites into my hands, whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering"

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So we boiled my son, and ate him. And I said to her on the next day, ‘Give your son, that we may eat him’; but she has hidden her son.”

Child sacrifice

Thousands of Women Killed for Family "Honor"

Satanta,
I have replied to each point. I asked you for facts on HG and you won't give any. You say "crap" to a serious Biblical reference on the example you use . You can explain your reasoning or not. But if you refuse while slinging at me for having another opinion you degrade yourself.

So please explain how a child murder is equal to the car fire crime of a whole family .

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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #169 - Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 7:34pm

cods wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 7:16pm:

its time all recipients of DVOs are made to wear an ankle bracelet that sends signals to both the victim and the police when they cross the line that has been drawn..

the moment it is broken JAIL....where psychiatrists need to evaluate them before they are released....

a PIECE OF PAPER doesnt CUT IT... Angry

how many women and children living in fear right at this very moment........after hearing this story they are even more frightened to move out.

the Perp seems to win every time..

They claim the prisons are overcrowded and no money to build more

and if they were to imprison all the bullies, they'd need to devote an entire State to an empire of prisons

I think it's time we invited Islam to solve it. Cut off the bullies' hands. And if they kick, then they lose their feet. If they still try it on, rip out their eyes. That should curb them

we put a bullet into rabid dogs. So that's another possibility

Maybe bleeding hearts would prefer something more humane, so it's time science quit their insane shenanigans with bioweapons and turned their talents to 'vaccinations against violence' … an injection (no chips because they'd dig them out) to kill testosterone stone dead .. for life. Then we could deck them in beige cardigans and slippers with socks and put them to useful work somewhere with a tattoo prominent on their brow, stating, 'Sub Human'

it's time for action, that's for sure

Funny thing is though, when most of their testosterone has been replaced with oestrogen and their hair and teeth have fallen out and their arms are thin, saggy and crepey and their tattoos a faded blur … they behave like lambs for the care-home nurses. They conveniently forget the atrocities they committed or downright deny them. Suddenly they're 'sweet little old men' in rocking chairs on the porch and few suspect what bastards they were a few decades earlier

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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #170 - Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:00pm

chimera wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 7:19pm:

Satanta,
I have replied to each point. I asked you for facts on HG and you won't give any. You say "crap" to a serious Biblical reference on the example you use . You can explain your reasoning or not. But if you refuse while slinging at me for having another opinion you degrade yourself.

So please explain how a child murder is equal to the car fire crime of a whole family .

Again, you are shifting the goal posts as the post I responded to was only about killing your own kids. You said it never happened in ancient times. It did, I have given you a link to read and you obviously haven't. It still happens today in honour killings. Until you read it there is no point discussing it with you.

There is no age where your child becomes not your child.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide

Read it. There is even a table of contents...
Contents
1 History
1.1 Paleolithic and Neolithic
1.2 In ancient history
1.3 Christianity
1.4 Arabia
1.5 Islam
1.6 Ukraine and Russia
1.7 United Kingdom
1.8 Asia
1.9 Africa
1.10 Australia
1.11 North America
1.12 South America
2 Modern times
2.1 Benin
2.2 North Korea
2.3 Mainland China
2.4 India
2.5 Pakistan
2.6 Oceania
2.7 England and Wales
2.8 United States
2.9 Canada
2.10 Spain
3 Explanations for the practice
3.1 Religious
3.2 Economic
3.3 Population control
3.4 Psychological
3.5 Psychiatric
3.6 Sex selection
4 Current law
4.1 Australia
4.2 Canada
4.3 England and Wales
4.4 The Netherlands
4.5 Romania
4.6 United States
5 Prevention
5.1 Sex education and birth control
5.2 Psychiatric intervention
5.3 Safe surrender
5.4 Employment
6 In animals
7 See also
8 References
9 External links

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 17088 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Another Family Annihilator? Reply #171 - Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:10pm Concerning Japheth's daughter, how can you say she was just sent to a temple when Japheth says he would offer her up as a "burnt offering"? You do know what that is, yeah? It seems it's probably not out of character for the bronze age. Do you know what happened to Agamemnon's daughter Iphigenia?
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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #172 - Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:12pm

The topic there was Germans killing Jews . I said they didn't kill their own kids. Your reply is about Spartans , religions and HG killing. That was for a purpose for 1 individual and not the entire family plus dad suicide for no claimed purpose. You can refuse to reason about it . You can say Spartans killed all their kids and the dead kids became dads. Why not , have fun eh.

Jepthah's daughter was described in my replies. Agamemnon was also for a claimed religious purpose.

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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #173 - Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:14pm

chimera wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:12pm:

The topic there was Germans killing Jews . I said they didn't kill their own kids. Your reply is about Spartans , religions and HG killing. That was for a purpose for 1 individual and not the entire family plus dad suicide. You can refuse to reason about it . You can say Spartans killed all their kids and the dead kids became dads. Why not , have fun eh.

You are ignoring your post. Read it again.

chimera wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 6:44pm:

But not their own kids. Goebbels killed his in 1945 , some Germans suicided but most didn't. We don't copy family murder just because of thinking about it , an evil thought. Ancestors didn't . So it must be off the scale to kill our kids and into insanity such as drug insanity.

So making a burnt offering sacrifice of his daughter is sending her to a temple where she will be well looked after and looked up to? You are certifiable if you believe that.

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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #174 - Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:24pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:14pm:

You are ignoring your post. Read it again.

PLease say something. go on.

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So making a burnt offering sacrifice of his daughter is sending her to a temple where she will be well looked after and looked up to? You are certifiable if you believe that.

Please read the chapter from which your quote came. Google Judges 11. 37 - 40

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Reply #176 - Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:32pm

chimera wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:24pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:14pm:

You are ignoring your post. Read it again.

PLease say something. go on.

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So making a burnt offering sacrifice of his daughter is sending her to a temple where she will be well looked after and looked up to? You are certifiable if you believe that.

Please read the chapter from which your quote came. Google Judges 11. 37 - 40

You said our ancestors didn't kill their kids, they did.
chimera wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 6:44pm:

But not their own kids. Goebbels killed his in 1945 , some Germans suicided but most didn't. We don't copy family murder just because of thinking about it , an evil thought. Ancestors didn't . So it must be off the scale to kill our kids and into insanity such as drug insanity.

I've given you a link to read which includes our own HGs here in Au, not 10,000 years ago. I've given examples you refuse to accept as killing one's own kids.

I've read the chapter. She doesn't need to be alive to visit her. Ever seen people visit a graveyard?

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The majority opinion among commentators is that Jephthah killed his daughter as an act of human sacrifice.[1] There is, however, a minority opinion that Jephthah's daughter spent the rest of her life in seclusion. This is based on considerations such as weeping for her virginity would make no sense if she were about to die (although it would be sensible in light of the Biblical commandment to "be fruitful and multiply", which she would now no longer be able to fulfill). Commentators holding to the minority view include David Kimhi,[2] Keil and Delitzsch,[3] James B. Jordan,[4] and Jehovah's Witnesses.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jephthah%27s_daughter

Are you a Jehovah's Witness?

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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #177 - Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:34pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:32pm:

chimera wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:24pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:14pm:

You are ignoring your post. Read it again.

PLease say something. go on.

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So making a burnt offering sacrifice of his daughter is sending her to a temple where she will be well looked after and looked up to? You are certifiable if you believe that.

Please read the chapter from which your quote came. Google Judges 11. 37 - 40

You said our ancestors didn't kill their kids, they did.
chimera wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 6:44pm:

But not their own kids. Goebbels killed his in 1945 , some Germans suicided but most didn't. We don't copy family murder just because of thinking about it , an evil thought. Ancestors didn't . So it must be off the scale to kill our kids and into insanity such as drug insanity.

I've given you a link to read which includes our own HGs here in Au, not 10,000 years ago. I've given examples you refuse to accept as killing one's own kids.

I've read the chapter. She doesn't need to be alive to visit her. Ever seen people visit a graveyard?

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The majority opinion among commentators is that Jephthah killed his daughter as an act of human sacrifice.[1] There is, however, a minority opinion that Jephthah's daughter spent the rest of her life in seclusion. This is based on considerations such as weeping for her virginity would make no sense if she were about to die (although it would be sensible in light of the Biblical commandment to "be fruitful and multiply", which she would now no longer be able to fulfill). Commentators holding to the minority view include David Kimhi,[2] Keil and Delitzsch,[3] James B. Jordan,[4] and Jehovah's Witnesses.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jephthah%27s_daughter

Are you a Jehovah's Witness?

what's a HG?

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 17088 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Another Family Annihilator? Reply #178 - Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:35pm PZ547 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:34pm: what's a HG? Hunter gatherer.
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PZ547 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9282 Gender:	Re: Another Family Annihilator? Reply #179 - Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:38pm Setanta wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:35pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2020 at 8:34pm: what's a HG? Hunter gatherer. okay, thanks
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