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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #105 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:00pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:40pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:25pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:11pm:

i see where you are coming from but what really needs to happen is that people need to be educated on the potential for evil that dwells in everyone.

That is correct and that is something that most people on the Right don't understand.
They have this naive binary notion that there are only "goodies" and "badies". That is why they defend gun ownership when in fact, the more people that own guns, the greater the risk of being killed by one. There is evil that dwells in everyone.

strawman arguement.

had this guy had access to a gun he may have used it.
i'm not sure being incinerated was a nicer option.

but the holocaust was done with posion gas.
rwanda with machetes.

why concentrate on guns.

again, you naively think if we got rid of all the guns we could manifest the rainbow filled, dolphin filled, pink unicorn filled utopia.
probably not

The argument is simple. Try to focus.

If you are arguing that everyone has the beast in them ... why would you want everyone armed?

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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #106 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:04pm

PZ547 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:21pm:

st news reveals that the family annihilator kidnapped one of his children only months before

and he'd stalked his estranged wife and hid in her parents' garden before the attack

LINK

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A killer father kidnapped one of his children, stalked his estranged wife and tracked her phone before burning his family to death in an 'ambush', her grieving parents revealed

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The couple is still searching for answers about how Baxter managed to get inside the car and set it on fire.

They said he wasn't allowed within 20m of her after a recent assault, and they didn't see him that morning and have no idea why he was there

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He had to hurt us because we'd beaten him. He was sprialling and had run out of people to sponge off. Looks like all of a sudden he decided there was only one way out.'

The couple believed Baxter was obsessively tracking his estranged wife's phone and location by hacking her device - forcing her to frequently change her passwords

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He sent Hannah suspicious attachments and 'knew things he shouldn't have known'.

'He was going through her phone and tracking her whereabouts. It was really scary,' Mrs Clarke said.

Baxter responded to his wife leaving him with hatred, hostility, pettiness, and even violence, her parents said.

'Everything got worse after she left as he couldn't control the situation anymore,' Mrs Clarke said.

Her husband added: 'He thought he was hard done by and wanted 50 per cent of custody and we knew that couldn't work, the guy didn't work, he couldn't support his own family. It started getting ugly
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Three weeks ago - the last time the children stayed with Baxter at the former family home 3km away - he and Hannah got into an argument as he dropped them off.

The Clarke's said Baxter assaulted Hannah in their front yard by grabbing her by the wrist and twisting her arm behind her back, hurting her shoulder.

He was charged with assault
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Baxter's Facebook page was filled with sweet snaps of his children, videos of them at play, and declarations of love - but it was all an act.

'Everyone thought they had a great family because he projected this image on social media with all these sweet pictures and saying he couldn't live without her,' Mr Clarke said.
'It was all a fascade. He said he was a good father and he loved his kids, but how can you love them and do something like this?' Mrs Clarke added:

'He was on social media every night making himself look like a loving father so Hannah got a lot of trolls sending her nasty thing, but they didn't know the story.'

The couple said Baxter was controlling and emotionally abusive from the start of their relationship and tried to isolate her from friends and family.

'We always had misgivings about him. He was always controlling, he ruined her relationship with everyone, even tried to get her away from us,' Mrs Clarke said.

'He was jealous of her sporting success and when she beat him in crossfit. He had a chip on his shoulder because he didn't make it as an NRL player,' Mr Clarke said

dangerous people always show signs of "exploding" not accepting what is happening sadly most of it is only seen in hindsight.....even schools see problems...but they dont click.

I am sure there are many links to each case like this , we need to look into these cases more deeply.....it is mainly a male thing... where they cannot cope with rejection and or sharing....taking at AVo/DVO.. isnt the bloody answer........

maybe we could come up with a APP that would warn a person when someone they have issued an DVO comes within 500 meters of them..... otherwise they are pointless.

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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #107 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:13pm

mothra wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:00pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:40pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:25pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:11pm:

i see where you are coming from but what really needs to happen is that people need to be educated on the potential for evil that dwells in everyone.

That is correct and that is something that most people on the Right don't understand.
They have this naive binary notion that there are only "goodies" and "badies". That is why they defend gun ownership when in fact, the more people that own guns, the greater the risk of being killed by one. There is evil that dwells in everyone.

strawman arguement.

had this guy had access to a gun he may have used it.
i'm not sure being incinerated was a nicer option.

but the holocaust was done with posion gas.
rwanda with machetes.

why concentrate on guns.

again, you naively think if we got rid of all the guns we could manifest the rainbow filled, dolphin filled, pink unicorn filled utopia.
probably not

The argument is simple. Try to focus.

If you are arguing that everyone has the beast in them ... why would you want everyone armed?

try to focus.

if i'm arguing everyone has a dark side they need to ackowledge and incorporate.....why would i want people to look for an excuse (like blaming guns) for what is deep personal psychological work .

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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #108 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:21pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:13pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:00pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:40pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:25pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:11pm:

i see where you are coming from but what really needs to happen is that people need to be educated on the potential for evil that dwells in everyone.

That is correct and that is something that most people on the Right don't understand.
They have this naive binary notion that there are only "goodies" and "badies". That is why they defend gun ownership when in fact, the more people that own guns, the greater the risk of being killed by one. There is evil that dwells in everyone.

strawman arguement.

had this guy had access to a gun he may have used it.
i'm not sure being incinerated was a nicer option.

but the holocaust was done with posion gas.
rwanda with machetes.

why concentrate on guns.

again, you naively think if we got rid of all the guns we could manifest the rainbow filled, dolphin filled, pink unicorn filled utopia.
probably not

The argument is simple. Try to focus.

If you are arguing that everyone has the beast in them ... why would you want everyone armed?

try to focus.

if i'm arguing everyone has a dark side they need to ackowledge and incorporate.....why would i want people to look for an excuse (like blaming guns) for what is deep personal psychological work .

Nobody is blaming guns.

We're blaming human's inherent dark side.

Why are you avoiding the question?

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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #109 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:38pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:11pm:

but we are no different from our recent ancestors, not even a bit.

" sprinted back to the vehicle … .. to retrieve a knife which he used to stab himself. . trying to prevent people from saving his children's lives, while ranting, struggling, raving, angry".

Evil ancestors didn't do that or aquascoot wouldn't be here. Evil would be a cunning sabotage of brakes and so on. Suicide is not from being evil. Any drugs would be from evil intent probably but the final act was separate from inborn evil.

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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #110 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:51pm

mothra wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:21pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:13pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:00pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:40pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:25pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:11pm:

i see where you are coming from but what really needs to happen is that people need to be educated on the potential for evil that dwells in everyone.

That is correct and that is something that most people on the Right don't understand.
They have this naive binary notion that there are only "goodies" and "badies". That is why they defend gun ownership when in fact, the more people that own guns, the greater the risk of being killed by one. There is evil that dwells in everyone.

strawman arguement.

had this guy had access to a gun he may have used it.
i'm not sure being incinerated was a nicer option.

but the holocaust was done with posion gas.
rwanda with machetes.

why concentrate on guns.

again, you naively think if we got rid of all the guns we could manifest the rainbow filled, dolphin filled, pink unicorn filled utopia.
probably not

The argument is simple. Try to focus.

If you are arguing that everyone has the beast in them ... why would you want everyone armed?

try to focus.

if i'm arguing everyone has a dark side they need to ackowledge and incorporate.....why would i want people to look for an excuse (like blaming guns) for what is deep personal psychological work .

Nobody is blaming guns.

We're blaming human's inherent dark side.

Why are you avoiding the question?

are you acknowldeging humans have an inherent dark side.

if so, what should be done about that,

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Another Family Annihilator? Reply #111 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 4:13pm aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:51pm: are you acknowldeging humans have an inherent dark side. if so, what should be done about that, It can only be suppressed .... by fear However, some people don't fear suicide .... after they've committed murder ... and therein lies the problem with murder suicides
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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #112 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 4:28pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 4:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:51pm:

are you acknowldeging humans have an inherent dark side.

if so, what should be done about that,

It can only be suppressed .... by fear

However, some people don't fear suicide .... after they've committed murder ... and therein lies the problem with murder suicides

it can be suppressed by fear....this is true.
many lefties on here would , if they could,would like to get , say, donald trump on the ground and give him a good kicking,
dont say they dont fantasise about it.
they would never do it, they tell themselves they are 'good people"
but the truth is they would like to but are just too afraid to do it.

but thats quite dysfunctional.

most societies had rights of initiation where you men were treated quite brutally and forced to confront and incorporate their shadow and the shadows of other men

where is that narrative nowdays.

young men who are violent can be taught (and should be taught)to incorporate that drive and harness it into a competitive spirit, to control it.

but thats not what they are taught.

there is no narrative teaching people about their dark side, their anger, their sexual urges.

there is no incorporation.

just suppression.

is it any wonder then that this guy behaved like an out of control toddler having a tantrum when he doesnt have things "go his way"

a toddler might hold his breath til he turns blue....a toddler " suicide attempt" perhaps.

but if that toddler is educated by leftie luvvie (rainbows and unicorns) idealogues, he still has that explosive anger within him. and he has not learnt to incorporate it . he is still wandering the earth as a father and husband but with the emotional maturity of a toddler

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: Another Family Annihilator? Reply #113 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 4:52pm Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 4:13pm: It can only be suppressed .... by fear You mean , we wake up each day wanting to kill everyone but are too wimpy?
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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #114 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 4:58pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:51pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:21pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:13pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 3:00pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:40pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:25pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:11pm:

i see where you are coming from but what really needs to happen is that people need to be educated on the potential for evil that dwells in everyone.

That is correct and that is something that most people on the Right don't understand.
They have this naive binary notion that there are only "goodies" and "badies". That is why they defend gun ownership when in fact, the more people that own guns, the greater the risk of being killed by one. There is evil that dwells in everyone.

strawman arguement.

had this guy had access to a gun he may have used it.
i'm not sure being incinerated was a nicer option.

but the holocaust was done with posion gas.
rwanda with machetes.

why concentrate on guns.

again, you naively think if we got rid of all the guns we could manifest the rainbow filled, dolphin filled, pink unicorn filled utopia.
probably not

The argument is simple. Try to focus.

If you are arguing that everyone has the beast in them ... why would you want everyone armed?

try to focus.

if i'm arguing everyone has a dark side they need to ackowledge and incorporate.....why would i want people to look for an excuse (like blaming guns) for what is deep personal psychological work .

Nobody is blaming guns.

We're blaming human's inherent dark side.

Why are you avoiding the question?

are you acknowldeging humans have an inherent dark side.

if so, what should be done about that,

Hey, this is your party. Why won't you answer the question? Is it because you've been cornered?

I think it's because you've been cornered.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36239 Gender:	Re: Another Family Annihilator? Reply #115 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 5:00pm chimera wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 4:52pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 4:13pm: It can only be suppressed .... by fear You mean , we wake up each day wanting to kill everyone but are too wimpy? That appears to be the subtext.
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Another Family Annihilator? Reply #116 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 5:08pm chimera wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 4:52pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 4:13pm: It can only be suppressed .... by fear You mean , we wake up each day wanting to kill everyone but are too wimpy? It's either be wimpy or do life in jail ( I'm sure you don't know what this thread is about)
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Reply #117 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 5:19pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 4:28pm:

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most societies had rights of initiation where you men were treated quite brutally and forced to confront and incorporate their shadow and the shadows of other men

where is that narrative nowdays.

Sounds like football for which the man had much training . Even with intense pain of all types we don't see footballers bring petrol to the game to even the score. And poofs brought up by mum to be sensitive don't chuck petrol. Brutal initiation with fear of punishment can't be a healthy outlook for kids.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: Another Family Annihilator? Reply #118 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 5:23pm Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 5:08pm: It's either be wimpy or do life in jail ( I'm sure you don't know what this thread is about) I don't know. Are you saying you're the same as this man ? Do you need help?
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Reply #119 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 5:53pm

mothra wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 4:58pm: