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Reply #90 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:51pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:41pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:37pm:

A particularly disturbing element to the tragedy is the fact the father is reported as stated by witnesses as having escaped the burning vehicle, upon which he sprinted across the road .. back to the vehicle … to retrieve a knife with which he repeatedly stabbed himself

A mature aged witness who'd tried to assist at the scene is reported to have stated that it seemed that Baxter was trying to prevent people from getting his children out of the vehicle. Baxter was described by the witness as crazed, angry, ranting

Imagine being at that scene where the wife had been pulled from the vehicle by brave bystanders. The woman was described as 'crawling along the gutter' and rolling to try to extinguish the flames. She was pulled onto the grass verge where a witness tried to hose her to extinguish the flames. Another witness said Ms Baxter was 'smoking, on fire' and in excruciating agony

at the other extreme, the children's father, who had been pulled from the vehicle and was by that time on the opposite side of the road, sprinted back to the vehicle … not to try to pull his children from the inferno .. to retrieve a knife which he used to stab himself. And in the process, he has been described as trying to prevent people from saving his children's lives, while ranting, struggling, raving, angry

He'd planned it in advance, had purchased the petrol, if reports are correct. Then he waited until his wife and children were about to commence their drive to the school before dousing them and the vehicle in accelerant and setting them alight. The children were helpless, strapped into their seats

Only God could forgive that creature

A pretty pathetic God to let that happen, don't you think?

Seriously: you see things like that happen, and you still believe in God?

Can we not have one thread in this forum without what seems to me to be your deliberate attempt to destroy the narrative?

Can there be not one subject under discussion in this forum where you do not try to hog attention for yourself?

I've been coming to this forum for years and it's been the same from the outset

I really believe it's high time you were banned from OzPol for at least two years

ETA: maybe you will do the decent thing and ban yourself for two years. Surely there are other forums where you can attempt to dominate with your varying obsessions and puny rage against the universe?

You don't like uncomfortable questions, do you?

You introduced God to the thread, nobody else.

If you can't stand the heat, you know where the kitchen door is.

In my opinion, Greg, you have descended to the mentality and mechanisms of a small child

have you spoken with a doctor about it?

When you go to a doctor, please take print-outs of your participation in this forum

You need to leave

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: Another Family Annihilator? Reply #91 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:55pm With everyone having died the case may be closed apart from coroner. The descriptions suggest he had Ice . There's no excuse but it does reduce the horror of why , how. His head was disconnected.
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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #92 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:58pm

chimera wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:55pm:

With everyone having died the case may be closed apart from coroner. The descriptions suggest he had Ice . There's no excuse but it does reduce the horror of why , how. His head was disconnected.

Was discussing it last night with someone and said at the time I wouldn't be surprised if substance abuse was involved

wouldn't surprise me to learn he had mind-bending drugs in his system to give himself the 'courage' to incinerate his family

personally, I'd like to bring him back to life in order he could be kicked to death

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Reply #93 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:00pm

PZ547 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:58pm:

chimera wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:55pm:

With everyone having died the case may be closed apart from coroner. The descriptions suggest he had Ice . There's no excuse but it does reduce the horror of why , how. His head was disconnected.

Was discussing it last night with someone and said at the time I wouldn't be surprised if substance abuse was involved

wouldn't surprise me to learn he had mind-bending drugs in his system to give himself the 'courage' to incinerate his family

personally, I'd like to bring him back to life in order he could be kicked to death

And in one sentence, you've lowered yourself to his level without the use of drugs.

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Reply #94 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:00pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:58pm:

chimera wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:55pm:

With everyone having died the case may be closed apart from coroner. The descriptions suggest he had Ice . There's no excuse but it does reduce the horror of why , how. His head was disconnected.

Was discussing it last night with someone and said at the time I wouldn't be surprised if substance abuse was involved

wouldn't surprise me to learn he had mind-bending drugs in his system to give himself the 'courage' to incinerate his family

personally, I'd like to bring him back to life in order he could be kicked to death

And in one sentence, you've lowered yourself to his level without the use of drugs.

that's right

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Reply #95 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:03pm

PZ547 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:00pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:58pm:

chimera wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:55pm:

With everyone having died the case may be closed apart from coroner. The descriptions suggest he had Ice . There's no excuse but it does reduce the horror of why , how. His head was disconnected.

Was discussing it last night with someone and said at the time I wouldn't be surprised if substance abuse was involved

wouldn't surprise me to learn he had mind-bending drugs in his system to give himself the 'courage' to incinerate his family

personally, I'd like to bring him back to life in order he could be kicked to death

And in one sentence, you've lowered yourself to his level without the use of drugs.

that's right

Are you a sociopath?

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Reply #96 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:03pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:00pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:58pm:

chimera wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:55pm:

With everyone having died the case may be closed apart from coroner. The descriptions suggest he had Ice . There's no excuse but it does reduce the horror of why , how. His head was disconnected.

Was discussing it last night with someone and said at the time I wouldn't be surprised if substance abuse was involved

wouldn't surprise me to learn he had mind-bending drugs in his system to give himself the 'courage' to incinerate his family

personally, I'd like to bring him back to life in order he could be kicked to death

And in one sentence, you've lowered yourself to his level without the use of drugs.

that's right

Are you a sociopath?

I have my moments

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Reply #97 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:14pm

PZ547 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:03pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:00pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:58pm:

chimera wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:55pm:

With everyone having died the case may be closed apart from coroner. The descriptions suggest he had Ice . There's no excuse but it does reduce the horror of why , how. His head was disconnected.

Was discussing it last night with someone and said at the time I wouldn't be surprised if substance abuse was involved

wouldn't surprise me to learn he had mind-bending drugs in his system to give himself the 'courage' to incinerate his family

personally, I'd like to bring him back to life in order he could be kicked to death

And in one sentence, you've lowered yourself to his level without the use of drugs.

that's right

Are you a sociopath?

I have my moments

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Re: Another Family Annihilator?
Reply #98 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:44pm

chimera wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:55pm:

With everyone having died the case may be closed apart from coroner. The descriptions suggest he had Ice . There's no excuse but it does reduce the horror of why , how. His head was disconnected.

people are increasingly concerned with frequent domestic violence incidents exposed in the media

If authorities intend to weigh-in about this latest incident in Camp Hill, surely the increasingly common use of drugs will be of great concern to them

particularly with regard to gymnasiums

And maybe a combined mental and physical health initiative to educate people about ageing -- its effects on body, mind, relationships, etc., and how to healthily accept these?

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: Another Family Annihilator? Reply #99 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:02pm It would be either pz547 or the other prisoners. Dying was smart.
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Reply #100 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:11pm

PZ547 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 1:44pm:

chimera wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 12:55pm:

With everyone having died the case may be closed apart from coroner. The descriptions suggest he had Ice . There's no excuse but it does reduce the horror of why , how. His head was disconnected.

people are increasingly concerned with frequent domestic violence incidents exposed in the media

If authorities intend to weigh-in about this latest incident in Camp Hill, surely the increasingly common use of drugs will be of great concern to them

particularly with regard to gymnasiums

And maybe a combined mental and physical health initiative to educate people about ageing -- its effects on body, mind, relationships, etc., and how to healthily accept these?

pz,

i see where you are coming from but what really needs to happen is that people need to be educated on the potential for evil that dwells in everyone.

the lefties have taken charge of the education system and the soial order and they want a narrative that we can all hold hands and sing kombyah and the world is constructed of unicorns and rainbows and that "happiness" is your birthright.

the concept of evil does not have any place in such a narrative.

so they , in a very naive way, try to talk about depression or drug use or pyschotic behaviour.

but we are no different from our recent ancestors, not even a bit.

the holocaust, the gulags, the killing fields of cambodia, the massacre in rwanda.

lefties look at those events and they think

"if i was in nazi germany, i would have been hiding jews in the basement"
highly unlikely...far more likely you would have been a perpetrator.

"if i was in rwanda, i would have been bandaging the machete wounds"
highly unlikely, you probably would have joined in.

the left and even the right nowadays , just refuse to acknowledge that their evil even exists.

most people have evil thoughts.

and they think (wrongly) that they dont act on them because they are "good people".

nietczhe had something to say on that.

he said most people dont act on their evil desires, not because they are good people, but because they are too cowardly to act on them and then they tell themselves they are "good people".

until we teach people the truth about human nature, we will continue to flail about and make up naive stories .

another thing nietczhe said was

for a tree to grow to heaven, it must have roots that go all the way to hell.

this bloke just acted in a way that is part of human nature and people need to understand that about themselves and then work out a strategy to incorporate that into something noble.

but if you just live in denial, when you are put under the evolutionary blowtorch, you have no way of knowing what you will manifest.
train hard, train your mind to accept brutal ammounts of pressure.
then you will be strong enough to suppress the shadow

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Reply #101 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:21pm

Latest news reveals that the family annihilator kidnapped one of his children only months before

and he'd stalked his estranged wife and hid in her parents' garden before the attack

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A killer father kidnapped one of his children, stalked his estranged wife and tracked her phone before burning his family to death in an 'ambush', her grieving parents revealed

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The couple is still searching for answers about how Baxter managed to get inside the car and set it on fire.

They said he wasn't allowed within 20m of her after a recent assault, and they didn't see him that morning and have no idea why he was there

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He had to hurt us because we'd beaten him. He was sprialling and had run out of people to sponge off. Looks like all of a sudden he decided there was only one way out.'

The couple believed Baxter was obsessively tracking his estranged wife's phone and location by hacking her device - forcing her to frequently change her passwords

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He sent Hannah suspicious attachments and 'knew things he shouldn't have known'.

'He was going through her phone and tracking her whereabouts. It was really scary,' Mrs Clarke said.

Baxter responded to his wife leaving him with hatred, hostility, pettiness, and even violence, her parents said.

'Everything got worse after she left as he couldn't control the situation anymore,' Mrs Clarke said.

Her husband added: 'He thought he was hard done by and wanted 50 per cent of custody and we knew that couldn't work, the guy didn't work, he couldn't support his own family. It started getting ugly

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Three weeks ago - the last time the children stayed with Baxter at the former family home 3km away - he and Hannah got into an argument as he dropped them off.

The Clarke's said Baxter assaulted Hannah in their front yard by grabbing her by the wrist and twisting her arm behind her back, hurting her shoulder.

He was charged with assault

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Baxter's Facebook page was filled with sweet snaps of his children, videos of them at play, and declarations of love - but it was all an act.

'Everyone thought they had a great family because he projected this image on social media with all these sweet pictures and saying he couldn't live without her,' Mr Clarke said.
'It was all a fascade. He said he was a good father and he loved his kids, but how can you love them and do something like this?' Mrs Clarke added:

'He was on social media every night making himself look like a loving father so Hannah got a lot of trolls sending her nasty thing, but they didn't know the story.'

The couple said Baxter was controlling and emotionally abusive from the start of their relationship and tried to isolate her from friends and family.

'We always had misgivings about him. He was always controlling, he ruined her relationship with everyone, even tried to get her away from us,' Mrs Clarke said.

'He was jealous of her sporting success and when she beat him in crossfit. He had a chip on his shoulder because he didn't make it as an NRL player,' Mr Clarke said

More at LINK

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Reply #102 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:25pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:11pm:

i see where you are coming from but what really needs to happen is that people need to be educated on the potential for evil that dwells in everyone.

That is correct and that is something that most people on the Right don't understand.
They have this naive binary notion that there are only "goodies" and "badies". That is why they defend gun ownership when in fact, the more people that own guns, the greater the risk of being killed by one. There is evil that dwells in everyone.

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Reply #103 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:28pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:25pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:11pm:

i see where you are coming from but what really needs to happen is that people need to be educated on the potential for evil that dwells in everyone.

That is correct and that is something that most people on the Right don't understand.
They have this naive binary notion that there are only "goodies" and "badies". That is why they defend gun ownership when in fact, the more people that own guns, the greater the risk of being killed by one. There is evil that dwells in everyone.

Beat me to it Wink

Nailed it! Smiley

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Reply #104 - Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:40pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:25pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 2:11pm:

i see where you are coming from but what really needs to happen is that people need to be educated on the potential for evil that dwells in everyone.

That is correct and that is something that most people on the Right don't understand.
They have this naive binary notion that there are only "goodies" and "badies". That is why they defend gun ownership when in fact, the more people that own guns, the greater the risk of being killed by one. There is evil that dwells in everyone.

strawman arguement.

had this guy had access to a gun he may have used it.
i'm not sure being incinerated was a nicer option.

but the holocaust was done with posion gas.
rwanda with machetes.

why concentrate on guns.

again, you naively think if we got rid of all the guns we could manifest the rainbow filled, dolphin filled, pink unicorn filled utopia.
probably not

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