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those cunning Jews are at it again: Palestinians
Feb 11th, 2020 at 9:10pm
 
Brian has complained that Israel does not allow Palestinians to "live and work" in Israel. It turns out they do this using two cunning tricks:

* Allowing them to become full citizens of Israel. Then they are by Brian's definition, no longer Palestinians.
* Also allowing non-citizen Palestinians to work in Israel. However, these ones do not live in Israel, thus fulfilling the evil agenda of having no Palestinians "living and working" in Israel.

This may sound incredibly stupid - because it is.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2020 at 1:08pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 10th, 2020 at 12:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2020 at 12:26pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 9th, 2020 at 8:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2020 at 3:47pm:
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On the other hand, we all know the Jews are nothing like the muslims, they don't seek to force everyone around the globe to practice Judaism.


I wonder what the Palestinians think about that statement, Moses? 


The sane ones are living and working in Israel, thankful that the Jews created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth.


You mean the Israel which prohibits hiring of Palestinians to live or work in Israel, FD?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

Many Arab citizens of Israel self-identify as Palestinian and commonly self-designate themselves as Palestinian citizens of Israel or Israeli Palestinians.

Not a question Brian, no need need to respond with your usual idiotic dribble.


They are not citizens of Israel.  They are Palestinians from the Occupied Territories, FD.  There is a world of difference legally between the two groups.  You claim that it was possible for Palestinians to live and be employed in Israel.  It isn't.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


freediver wrote on Feb 10th, 2020 at 9:59pm:
Brian is confused. Even more confused than you might assume.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_workers_in_Israel

According to January 1, 2015 Administration of Border Crossings, Population and Immigration report, there are 55,200 jobs that are dedicated to Palestinian workers.

In 2011, the Palestinian Authority (PA) claimed it would take actions to limit the number of Palestinians who are employed in Israel and in settlements. Shaher Saad, the Secretary General of the Palestinian workers association said that such action can't be done because the PA doesn't provide any alternative. He stated that 35,000 Palestinian workers are employed within Israel and in the settlements which provide the local economy with 2 billion dollars budget every year.[4]

So tell us more about those nasty Jews Brian....


Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 8:26pm:
It is not a question of ethnicity, mate.  It is a question of nationality.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Re: those cunning Jews are at it again: Palestinians
Reply #1 - Feb 11th, 2020 at 9:17pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 9:10pm:
Brian has complained that Israel does not allow Palestinians to "live and work" in Israel. It turns out they do this using two cunning tricks:

* Allowing them to become full citizens of Israel. Then they are by Brian's definition, no longer Palestinians.
* Also allowing non-citizen Palestinians to work in Israel. However, these ones do not live in Israel, thus fulfilling the evil agenda of having no Palestinians "living and working" in Israel.

This may sound incredibly stupid - because it is.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2020 at 1:08pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 10th, 2020 at 12:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2020 at 12:26pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 9th, 2020 at 8:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2020 at 3:47pm:
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On the other hand, we all know the Jews are nothing like the muslims, they don't seek to force everyone around the globe to practice Judaism.


I wonder what the Palestinians think about that statement, Moses? 


The sane ones are living and working in Israel, thankful that the Jews created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth.


You mean the Israel which prohibits hiring of Palestinians to live or work in Israel, FD?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

Many Arab citizens of Israel self-identify as Palestinian and commonly self-designate themselves as Palestinian citizens of Israel or Israeli Palestinians.

Not a question Brian, no need need to respond with your usual idiotic dribble.


They are not citizens of Israel.  They are Palestinians from the Occupied Territories, FD.  There is a world of difference legally between the two groups.  You claim that it was possible for Palestinians to live and be employed in Israel.  It isn't.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


freediver wrote on Feb 10th, 2020 at 9:59pm:
Brian is confused. Even more confused than you might assume.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_workers_in_Israel

According to January 1, 2015 Administration of Border Crossings, Population and Immigration report, there are 55,200 jobs that are dedicated to Palestinian workers.

In 2011, the Palestinian Authority (PA) claimed it would take actions to limit the number of Palestinians who are employed in Israel and in settlements. Shaher Saad, the Secretary General of the Palestinian workers association said that such action can't be done because the PA doesn't provide any alternative. He stated that 35,000 Palestinian workers are employed within Israel and in the settlements which provide the local economy with 2 billion dollars budget every year.[4]

So tell us more about those nasty Jews Brian....


Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 8:26pm:
It is not a question of ethnicity, mate.  It is a question of nationality.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




He's  a spineless, ignorant propagandist. He lies or distorts or  is ignirant or... er... that's  it.
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Reply #2 - Feb 12th, 2020 at 7:01pm
 
Brian claims to have neither the right nor the ability to criticise Muslims or Muslim countries, but will come up with the most idiotic excuses to have a go at Israel. I wonder if he would actually cheer the Muslims on as they drove the Jews into the sea.
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Reply #3 - Feb 12th, 2020 at 10:30pm
 
I wouldn't put too much in what Wikipedia has to say. At best, it can give a good overview on a number of topics but when it comes to Israel it is hopelessly biased. The page there on the USS Liberty omits valuable crew testimony and propagates the official story that the attack was a case of mistaken identity. And try to edit it to reflect the facts and you'll be quickly banned.
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Hamas, to my great regret,  is Israel’s creation

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Reply #4 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 6:57pm
 
So wikipedia doesn't give equal weight to conspiracy theories eh?

Do you think it is lying about all the Muslims/Arabs/Palestinians with full citizenship rights in Israel? Or all the ones who live in Palestine and work in Israel? Or the efforts by the Palestinian Authority to achieve what Brian accuses the Israelis of - banning citizens of Palestine from working in Israel?
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Reply #5 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 10:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 6:57pm:
So wikipedia doesn't give equal weight to conspiracy theories eh?


So you're saying all the USS Liberty crew members plus numerous US military/diplomatic personnel who have spoken out, are all conspiracy theorists?


"I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. . . . Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous "

-- US Secretary of State Dean Rusk

"...the board of inquiry (concluded) that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty."

-- CIA Director Richard Helms

"I can tell you for an absolute certainty (from intercepted communications) that the Israelis knew they were attacking an American ship."

-- NSA Deputy Director Oliver Kirby

"That the Liberty could have been mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El Quseir is unbelievable"

-- Special Assistant to the President Clark Clifford, in his report to President Lyndon Johnson

"The highest officials of the [Johnson] administration, including the President, believed it 'inconceivable' that Israel's 'skilled' defense forces could have committed such a gross error."

-- Lyndon Johnson's biographer Robert Dallek in Flawed Giant, Oxford University Press, 1998, pp. 430-31)

"The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack...was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew.... It was our shared belief. . .that the attack. . .could not possibly have been an accident.... I am certain that the Israeli pilots [and] their superiors. . .were well aware that the ship was American."

-- Captain Ward Boston, JAGC, US Navy (retired), senior legal counsel to the US Navy Court of Inquiry

'That the attack was deliberate "just wasn't a disputed issue" within the National Security Agency.'

-- Former NSA Director retired Army Lieutenant General William Odom on 3 March 2003 in an interview for Naval Institute Proceedings


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Do you think it is lying about all the Muslims/Arabs/Palestinians with full citizenship rights in Israel?


How Israel robs Palestinians of citizenship
Jonathan Cook - 19 September 2017

Israel has quietly revoked the citizenship of thousands of members of its large Palestinian minority in recent years, highlighting that decades of demographic war against Palestinians are far from over.

The policy, which only recently came to light, is being implemented by Israel’s population registry, a department of the interior ministry. The registry has been regularly criticized for secrecy about its rules for determining residency and citizenship.

According to government data, some 2,600 Palestinian Bedouins are likely to have had their Israeli citizenship voided. Officials, however, have conceded that the figure may be much higher.

The future offspring of those stripped of citizenship are likely to suffer problems gaining citizenship too.

Human rights groups have severely criticized Israel for violating its own laws, as well as international conventions to which it is a party, in carrying out such revocations.

Sawsan Zaher, a lawyer with Adalah, a legal center for Israel’s Palestinian minority, told The Jerusalem Post newspaper: “This policy is illegal and in contravention to international law because you cannot leave someone stateless.”

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Reply #6 - Feb 15th, 2020 at 12:24am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 6:57pm:
Or all the ones who live in Palestine and work in Israel?


Five ways Israeli law discriminates against Palestinians

Aljazeera English - 20 Jul 2018


There are currently more than 65 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens in Israel and Palestinian residents of the Occupied Palestinian Territories, according to Adalah, The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel.


Right to acquire, lease land

Palestinian citizens are blocked from leasing about 80 percent of the land controlled by the state according to Adalah.


Right to return

According to the Absentees' Property Law (1950), Palestinian refugees expelled after November 29, 1947, are "absentees" and are denied any rights. Their land, houses/apartments, and bank accounts (movable and immovable property) were confiscated by the state. Simultaneously, the Law of Return (1950) gave Jews from anywhere in the world the right to automatically become Israeli citizens.


Right to residency

For Palestinians who have a "permanent" residency status to live in Jerusalem, entry into and residency in Jerusalem is "a revocable privilege, instead of an inherent right", according to human rights organisation Al- Haq. Since 1967, nearly 15,000 Palestinians from East Jerusalem have had their residency rights revoked, according to the Interior Ministry.

The system pushes many Palestinians to leave their home city, amounting to forcible transfer, a violation of international law, according to Human Rights Watch.


Right to family life

The Ban on Family Unification prevents family unification when one spouse is an Israeli citizen and the other is a resident of the occupied territories. Thousands of Palestinian families have been affected by the law, forced to split apart, move abroad, or live in Israel in fear of constant deportation.

Last June, Israel's parliament renewed the ban as part of the Citizenship and Entry into Israel law for the 15th year, making it in effect a permanent law.


Right to commemorate Nakba

Palestinians traditionally mark Israel's official Independence Day as Nakba Day, a day of mourning and commemoration marking the expulsion of more than 700,000 Palestinians in 1948 to make way for the creation of the state of Israel.

The Nakba Law introduced in 2011 allows the finance minister to reduce funding or support to an institution if it holds an activity that commemorates Israel's Independence Day as a day of mourning.

"The law causes major harm to the principle of equality and the rights of Arab citizens to preserve their history and culture. The law deprives Arab citizens of their right to commemorate the Nabka, an integral part of their history," Adalah wrote.
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Reply #7 - Feb 15th, 2020 at 7:24am
 
Are we discriminating against Indonesians by not giving them all the right to migrate here?
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Reply #8 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 10:03pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2020 at 7:24am:
Are we discriminating against Indonesians by not giving them all the right to migrate here?


Here you go, Wombat. This is FD responding to your points.

Don't ask him any pesky questions though, he'll be gone in a ticky tock.
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Reply #9 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 3:21pm
 
Gee I get it completely.

muzzies are generous tolerant loving peaceful enlightened respectful people, who are into terrorism rape torture mutilation beheading and mass murder as religious duties, because someone just got the qur'an all wrong.

Thngs like 64% of the qur'an is about the hatred and killing of the infidel and there are
164 verses of jihad in the quran plus the words KILL, MURDER, FIGHT, COMBAT, SLAY, PUT TO DEATH, SLAUGHTER, ETC. are taught 35,213 times in the holy books. while the word LOVE is used: a mere 79 times, love is mentioned and 22 0f these teach that allah does not love certain people. are to be ignored they have no influence on muslims

Now I know that only an islamophobe would correlate the prevalence of the depravity in islamic teachings with the overwhelming number of human rights atrocities that muslims commit on a daily basis around the globe, believing they are actually obeying the qur'an.

Why don't the islamophobes understand that the qur'an is all written in secret code, all that rape hate and bloodshed are actually secret words for love peace and tolerance.

That the higher grades of muslims who perpetrate these atrocities have *misinterpreted* the sacred words of allah.

Now how long will it take to re-educate the muzzies about this secret mystical knowledge of the qur'an?

Gee I don't know why, but I still get the feeling that it would be easier and far better if the *moderates* simply told the truth, that the qur'an is a hand book for committing religious human rights atrocities against the non believers.

That's the answer, *moderates* and lunatic leftards start being honest for a change.
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