Bobby. wrote on Aug 7
th, 2025 at 12:15pm:
No - you'll forever believe that it came from animals -
No amount of evidence will sway you.
I can't speak for anyone else, but here's a rough breakdown of the sort of evidence I'd need to convince me that it was an accident, or deliberate, lab leak from somewhere doing gain of function reserach.
Documented lab research, internal records, emails, or databases from Wuhan or elsewhere showing they were actively engineering, manipulating, or experimenting on coronaviruses with genetic features matching SARS-CoV-2. Not just "similar," but directly traceable, especially things like the furin cleavage site.
Lab staff illness, verified, pre-outbreak cases of COVID-like symptoms in researchers, ideally confirmed with early SARS-CoV-2 genomic sequences. Not just rumour, not just someone "felt sick", confirmed and matched to the virus.
Recovered viral sequences, from lab databases (including those mysteriously taken offline in 2019) showing viral constructs that were precursors to SARS-CoV-2. If they were working on it, show the receipts.
Genetic fingerprints, evidence in the virus' genome that points to artificial construction: restriction sites, codon optimisation, or synthetic biology methods used in known lab processes. Not just "weird-looking", traceable to known lab methods.
Intelligence leaks, credible whistleblower accounts or intercepted data pointing to a leak, a cover-up, or even early knowledge of the outbreak before it was public.
No natural host, and I mean none, after a thorough global search. No bat, pangolin, raccoon dog or anything else found carrying a near-identical virus, despite years of searching and tens of thousands of samples.
A pattern of deliberate suppression, data deletion, silencing scientists, deleting lab records, and aggressive CCP censorship around exactly the right time, not "proof" alone, but if it lines up with the rest, it matters.
That's what I'd need to see, a converging body of evidence that connects dots with more than suspicion. Not just "Wuhan has a lab" or "the virus looks odd", those are questions, not answers.
With one exception, all we have regarding the above is circumstantial evidence, unanswered questions and suspicious behaviour.
That exception is the blatant cover-up from China. But alone, it's not enough.
Now, since I've laid that out plainly, your turn.
What would it actually take for you to accept that COVID may have jumped from animals to humans? What standard of evidence are you applying, or is this line you keep running about "nothing would ever convince the other side" just projection dressed up as insight?
So I'm asking plainly, what would you consider credible, and are you holding that standard consistently?