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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	No Means No Feb 1^st, 2020 at 10:45pm "No means no?" I am not so sure. . No means “not this second.” Never means “no, not ever.” Taking "no" for an answer means losing the confidence to ask again and again.
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PZ547 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9282 Gender:	Re: No Means No Reply #1 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 10:47pm AiA wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 10:45pm: "No means no?" I am not so sure. . No means “not this second.” Never means “no, not ever.” Taking "no" for an answer means losing the confidence to ask again and again. Doesn't seem to stop ad agencies
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Reply #2 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 10:56pm

PZ547 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 10:47pm:

AiA wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 10:45pm:

"No means no?" I am not so sure. .

No means “not this second.”

Never means “no, not ever.”

Taking "no" for an answer means losing the confidence to ask again and again.

Doesn't seem to stop ad agencies

Or the Trolls on here from Monkey Mania at Shady Pines Retirement PA Forum.

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: No Means No Reply #3 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 11:06pm I have had sex with women who said "no" and then that "no" turned into a "yes." I wonder if boys today just give up at the first "no."
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PZ547 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9282 Gender:	Re: No Means No Reply #4 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 11:10pm AiA wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 11:06pm: I have had sex with women who said "no" and then that "no" turned into a "yes." I wonder if boys today just give up at the first "no." quite possible lots of fathers go on walkabout early, leaving children to be raised by a single parent mum, which might have a bearing on it
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Setanta Gold Member Online \/ Peace man! Posts: 17085 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: No Means No Reply #5 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 11:45pm AiA wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 11:06pm: I have had sex with women who said "no" and then that "no" turned into a "yes." I wonder if boys today just give up at the first "no." OMG, please tell me it wasn't Kaiju!
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: No Means No Reply #6 - Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 6:18am Trump can't hear "no". He went in halfway and said it's a deal.
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Reply #7 - Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 7:08am

Setanta wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 11:45pm:

AiA wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 11:06pm:

I have had sex with women who said "no" and then that "no" turned into a "yes." I wonder if boys today just give up at the first "no."

OMG, please tell me it wasn't Kaiju!

Dunno what you mean by your poor Japanese ...

When the context/situation/externals changes the answer changes ...

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Reply #8 - Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 7:59am

AiA wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 11:06pm:

I have had sex with women who said "no" and then that "no" turned into a "yes." I wonder if boys today just give up at the first "no."

Are you a Rapist?
(Is that why you got blasted for your 'rape' incursion with Mothra?)

I've nearly got involved with women who 'fantasize' about being raped.
Sad to see such women say such things and make sex a 'sick' act of interaction.
The sexually sick (who eventually walk down that dark path to having sex with pigs, their dogs and Abdul's Camel) who walk off the path and into the perverse woods of desperado's and deviants.

Come now AiA.
I can't give up hope - it's all I have.

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: No Means No Reply #9 - Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 8:41am Jasin wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 7:59am: AiA wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 11:06pm: I have had sex with women who said "no" and then that "no" turned into a "yes." I wonder if boys today just give up at the first "no." Are you a Rapist? No. All the women I have had sex with have been conscious and have said "yes."
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: No Means No Reply #10 - Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 8:46am and a few where he said no and she said yes.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21328 Gordon Gender:	Re: No Means No Reply #11 - Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 10:31am I always thought the no means no campaign should be redirected to teach women to say no when they mean no and yes when they mean yes.
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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: No Means No Reply #12 - Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 10:34am Gordon wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 10:31am: I always thought the no means no campaign should be redirected to teach women to say no when they mean no and yes when they mean yes. And say "never" when they mean "never."
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Reply #13 - Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 10:56am

AiA wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 10:34am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 10:31am:

I always thought the no means no campaign should be redirected to teach women to say no when they mean no and yes when they mean yes.

And say "never" when they mean "never."

Here couple of personal experiences that I find interesting.

In my early 20s backpacking around S/E Asia and was on Phi Phi Island for 3 weeks which should actually be called 'root island' as everyone was hooking up every night.

1: I was drinking with a German lass at a beach bar. We were getting on really well, great chat but I kind of thought I was going home alone that night. At at closing time she said, so now the bar is closed, we go back to my bungalow and fkkk Ja? I said, Mmm Ja das ist gut.
In the morning she was a bit regretful and said she had a steady boyfriend, I've never done this, a bit much to drink, blah blah blah.
No blame, but we hung out platonically for a few days and all was good.

2: Same beach bar, an Essex girl, sexy as hell and her accent was driving me nuts, she was playing the game where every word out of her mouth was no but every bit of body language was yes. We ended up on the beach and after a few kisses the conversation was like, I'll never sleep with some random on a beach because (*********) I'm not that kind of girl (*********).
The part in brackets were unintelligible mumbles because she'd put something in her mouth.

We ended up spending 3 or 4 wonderful days together.

Complex issue, this.

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: No Means No Reply #14 - Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 11:07am I sat next to a Japanese woman on a flight to Tokyo I ended up sleeping with. At the time I thought it odd that a woman who was getting married in a couple of weeks would have sex with a stranger but I later learned otherwise
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