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Question: Is Bruce Pascoe
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a fraud    
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not a fraud    
  1 (12.5%)
delusional    
  1 (12.5%)
a scheming lowlife running a scam    
  3 (37.5%)
Aboriginal    
  2 (25.0%)
White    
  0 (0.0%)
Other    
  1 (12.5%)
pure as the driven snow    
  0 (0.0%)




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Reply #885 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 6:12am
 
Told yez before - if he'd contented himself with "I'm a White guy, but I figured out these interpretations of some written records... whad'ya think?"  - he wouldn't be drowning in deep water of his own creation.

Adopting the persona of a Koon to give his interpretations validity was a mockery - as is saying that anyone who says differently from his interpretations is a racist...

Get over it..... when he has proof positive, let him put it on the table... meantime I'll continue to see the ruins of an Aboriginal pyramid in every conical shaped hill I pass.... somewhere in one of those pyramids destroyed by the White Man is the fabulous treasure of Ngoonawunya, Emperor Of The Golden Age and Lord Of The Sun - The Kangaroo King....

Dopey Whartey forgot to pillage them pyramids before he burnt 'em to the ground and made them a pile of rocks and dust ....
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Reply #886 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 6:26am
 
Strange headline here :-   Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence..

Note the cunning here - no indication of actual support for dear Bruce, just a vague hint that others are accusing him of an offence, rather than of being offensive to all and an offence to Indigenous people themselves.... not to mention an offence against reason...

"Me uncle told me when I were but a boy... he was the only one even mentioned this, so I decided I'd create of meself the New Aboriginal Messiah and spread my Khoran like good ol' Mo did long ago... that's how it's done!  Only have to say positive things about the Golden Age of Aborigines and nobody can shoot down that kind of sacred cow.... easy as pie...."

Way down south near Eden, the archeological finds are middens - rubbish heaps of oyster shells etc... yeah, Btro - we had settlements there... we just moved 'em along the beach and stuff whenever we run out of oysters... but they was permanent temporary dwellings... portable, you know...

A not unsubtle difference there..... and I still shudder over his use of 'we' when discussing Aboriginal issues... who's this 'we', White Man? 

So Brian is leaping to the defence of Bruce - not on the merit of his arguments - but on the basis that poor widdle Brucey is being unfairly criticised.... so somehow in Brianland that equates to Bruce being right about everything.....

Then add to it this:-  not being charged with a criminal offence (who goes around charging people for saying they're Koons?) is now meant to be a statement that Dear Bruce is not only innocent - but somehow 'right' in his assertions... the two are not the same and the same could equally be said about any statement by any person about anything.... but we don't just accept without question such statements... (though I know about them Aboriginal pyramids - just don't tell Bruce - it might set him off again, and I believe we've heard enough)...
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Reply #887 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 6:33am
 
Pascoe may not be perfect, but he is a sign that progress is being made.
Boxer Daniel Geale is aboriginal but a gentleman and professional (he should be head of Australian Boxing).
But in his fight against Mundine - he was booed by 'Americanised/Media' Aboriginals for being an 'Uncle Tom'.
Sad to see.
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Reply #888 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 7:22am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2020 at 1:38pm:
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 11th, 2020 at 6:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2020 at 2:46pm:
You are just jealous, Graps.  That an Indigenous Australians should be so uppity and actually claim what his people are due - respect and understanding.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


He's not Indigenous... he merely claims to be on the basis of some murky past distant conversation with one relative.... he's certainly uppity, though..


He is though a human being and (nearly) all human beings deserve respect.  You have just immediately engaged in character assassination from the word go.  You have made no effort to understand his argument(s) and instead just labelled them all as bullshit.  That is something most people don't engage in.  It is something Racist engage in, basing their comments purely, as you have, on the issue of "race".  Graps, you need to grow up.  Racism is dead and buried.  Time to get with the flow. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




You'd be one of the "nearly" category ey?

You earn respect .... it's not just given.

People can be afforded courtesy ...... but have to earn respect.
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Reply #889 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 7:35am
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 6:33am:
Pascoe may not be perfect, but he is a sign that progress is being made.
Boxer Daniel Geale is aboriginal but a gentleman and professional (he should be head of Australian Boxing).
But in his fight against Mundine - he was booed by 'Americanised/Media' Aboriginals for being an 'Uncle Tom'.
Sad to see.


And Mundine is as white as Geale...go figure?

Geale lost to him 1st up split decision & later beat him Unanimous decision ...that's what I wanted to see but I wanted it to be a knockout.

There's quite a few outstanding Aboriginal champion boxers who were gentlemen in & out of the ring.

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Reply #890 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 8:03am
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 7:35am:
Jasin wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 6:33am:
Pascoe may not be perfect, but he is a sign that progress is being made.
Boxer Daniel Geale is aboriginal but a gentleman and professional (he should be head of Australian Boxing).
But in his fight against Mundine - he was booed by 'Americanised/Media' Aboriginals for being an 'Uncle Tom'.
Sad to see.


And Mundine is as white as Geale...go figure?

Geale lost to him 1st up split decision & later beat him Unanimous decision ...that's what I wanted to see but I wanted it to be a knockout.

There's quite a few outstanding Aboriginal champion boxers who were gentlemen in & out of the ring.


True. Mundine is a different guy away from the Media light. He has given a lot of his money to charitable efforts, although he milks the Media with notoriety. Good 'boxer', but too 'back foot' for my liking - much to his demise.
Fenech also milked the Media - but he really is the Marrickvile 'Mug'.
Older Boxers never had much Media backing for $$$ income. They had to 'carry' fights to make $$$.
One such was the Liberty Valance (35 pro fights) who I got in the ring with at Geale's gym (I only managed one good shot in a few rounds. He was way too good and could easily put away the likes of Mundine, Sony Bill, etc).

This is the demise of Australian Sport that, many males lack that 'professionalism' outside the Sport.
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Joseph Campbell was the best Mythologist around in his time. An 'expert' on North American (and other global cultures) Indian culture - but he wasn't 'indian' himself. Still, highly respected by both Indian and non-indians upon the subject. Does that make him a Fraud, Racist, etc?
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Reply #891 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 8:20am
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 8:03am:
Gnads wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 7:35am:
Jasin wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 6:33am:
Pascoe may not be perfect, but he is a sign that progress is being made.
Boxer Daniel Geale is aboriginal but a gentleman and professional (he should be head of Australian Boxing).
But in his fight against Mundine - he was booed by 'Americanised/Media' Aboriginals for being an 'Uncle Tom'.
Sad to see.


And Mundine is as white as Geale...go figure?

Geale lost to him 1st up split decision & later beat him Unanimous decision ...that's what I wanted to see but I wanted it to be a knockout.

There's quite a few outstanding Aboriginal champion boxers who were gentlemen in & out of the ring.


True. Mundine is a different guy away from the Media light. He has given a lot of his money to charitable efforts, although he milks the Media with notoriety. Good 'boxer', but too 'back foot' for my liking - much to his demise.
Fenech also milked the Media - but he really is the Marrickvile 'Mug'.
Older Boxers never had much Media backing for $$$ income. They had to 'carry' fights to make $$$.
One such was the Liberty Valance (35 pro fights) who I got in the ring with at Geale's gym (I only managed one good shot in a few rounds. He was way too good and could easily put away the likes of Mundine, Sony Bill, etc).

This is the demise of Australian Sport that, many males lack that 'professionalism' outside the Sport.
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Joseph Campbell was the best Mythologist around in his time. An 'expert' on North American (and other global cultures) Indian culture - but he wasn't 'indian' himself. Still, highly respected by both Indian and non-indians upon the subject. Does that make him a Fraud, Racist, etc?


I don't know ... did he ever claim to be an Indian? .... did he try to claim Indians were something they were not?

Was he claiming to shed a whole new light on their culture & the perpective of written history
about how they existed? Roll Eyes
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Reply #892 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 12:31pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 6:33am:
Pascoe may not be perfect, but he is a sign that progress is being made.
Boxer Daniel Geale is aboriginal but a gentleman and professional (he should be head of Australian Boxing).
But in his fight against Mundine - he was booed by 'Americanised/Media' Aboriginals for being an 'Uncle Tom'.
Sad to see.



Progress being made in what exactly? 

I know that's always a hard question for you and Brian etc, but how about you try to answer it.  And while you're at it, why not attempt to provide some genuine answers to real problems for Aborigines instead of your off the planet ideas of ancient cultural groups etc (but that's not 'racism').  And while ever people play the division game and call me a racist for no good reason, I will continue to call Koons Koons and refuse to even bother with their fantasies about some mythical golden age, and especially when their Messiah is as white as the snow and lying through his teeth about 'Aboriginal heritage' and 'we' while unashamedly self-promoting his silly book(s) and his equally silly 'professorship' of absolutely nothing.

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Reply #893 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 12:38pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 8:03am:
Gnads wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 7:35am:
Jasin wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 6:33am:
Pascoe may not be perfect, but he is a sign that progress is being made.
Boxer Daniel Geale is aboriginal but a gentleman and professional (he should be head of Australian Boxing).
But in his fight against Mundine - he was booed by 'Americanised/Media' Aboriginals for being an 'Uncle Tom'.
Sad to see.


And Mundine is as white as Geale...go figure?

Geale lost to him 1st up split decision & later beat him Unanimous decision ...that's what I wanted to see but I wanted it to be a knockout.

There's quite a few outstanding Aboriginal champion boxers who were gentlemen in & out of the ring.


True. Mundine is a different guy away from the Media light. He has given a lot of his money to charitable efforts, although he milks the Media with notoriety. Good 'boxer', but too 'back foot' for my liking - much to his demise.
Fenech also milked the Media - but he really is the Marrickvile 'Mug'.
Older Boxers never had much Media backing for $$$ income. They had to 'carry' fights to make $$$.
One such was the Liberty Valance (35 pro fights) who I got in the ring with at Geale's gym (I only managed one good shot in a few rounds. He was way too good and could easily put away the likes of Mundine, Sony Bill, etc).

This is the demise of Australian Sport that, many males lack that 'professionalism' outside the Sport.
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Joseph Campbell was the best Mythologist around in his time. An 'expert' on North American (and other global cultures) Indian culture - but he wasn't 'indian' himself. Still, highly respected by both Indian and non-indians upon the subject. Does that make him a Fraud, Racist, etc?


Campbell didn't claim to be American Indian... huge difference, and he said it like it was, not as some grossly exaggerated series of nonsensical 'improvements' in interpretation.  He didn't label a group of tepees 'townships' and even though the Indians may have traded things, as usual for any group, he didn't extend that to 'trade routes' etc, and when they lived beside a lake teeming with fish, he didn't suggest that was cities or towns and permanent until the fish ran out...

As for your comment on Australian sport - that's what happens when you de-ball a society.  All the blokes can only express their blokiness through the 'bad boy' image - look at the dicks (and dickless ones trying to express their 'equality' with the lowest in the land) running Prison Stamp tattoos now and trying to look like US SEALS in Afghanistan with beards and sunglasses.
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Reply #894 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 1:46pm
 
Why are the victims and virtue signalers everywhere?




We argue that contemporary Western democracies have become particularly hospitable environments for victim signalers to execute a strategy of nonreciprocal resource extraction because several features of these societies make victimhood potentially advantageous. First, the spreading of egalitarian values in the West leads many people to perceive any differential outcomes as evidence of overstratification; hence, they conclude that status differences between individuals and groups in society that are associated with these outcomes are illegitimate (Black, 2011). People who signal victimhood because they perceive themselves as being deprived of what others possess, or are treated in a way that others are not, can therefore find a receptive audience among many who detect their signal. Second, the alleviation of human suffering is treated as a paramount value in Western societies. This heightened sensitivity to suffering, coupled with the ease of bidirectional mass communication, such as on social media platforms, has increased the reach and effectiveness of recruiting third-party support for people signaling victimhood.
https://scottbarrykaufman.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Ok-et-al.-2020.pdf
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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #896 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 4:47pm
 

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Reply #897 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 6:25pm
 
Fair point.
If Pascoe claimed to be a 'Blooded' Aboriginal, although he may not be. Then yes, it is a bit stupid of Pascoe to do so.
If he is claiming to be 'culturally' Aboriginal (like black Australians can claim 'British' citizenship) - then he has every right to (if accepted as well). Just means he can't cash in on the 'benefits' - which is a bit unfair. Some dude with 2% Abo blood gets $$$, but someone with 80% knowledge and education of Aboriginal culture and history can not. Very 'racist/culturalist' hypocrisy.

So yes, if Pascoe claimed 'blood' relation, but isn't - then he's over-achieved a bit. But he is worthy of being 'culturally' aboriginal for his efforts. Bill Gammage could also claim 'cultural' entitlement (if accepted by the Aboriginals). It doesn't have to be a 'political' ritual or formality to be 'culturally' accepted by other peoples (other than Westerners).
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Reply #898 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 6:29pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 1:46pm:
Why are the victims and virtue signalers everywhere?




We argue that contemporary Western democracies have become particularly hospitable environments for victim signalers to execute a strategy of nonreciprocal resource extraction because several features of these societies make victimhood potentially advantageous. First, the spreading of egalitarian values in the West leads many people to perceive any differential outcomes as evidence of overstratification; hence, they conclude that status differences between individuals and groups in society that are associated with these outcomes are illegitimate (Black, 2011). People who signal victimhood because they perceive themselves as being deprived of what others possess, or are treated in a way that others are not, can therefore find a receptive audience among many who detect their signal. Second, the alleviation of human suffering is treated as a paramount value in Western societies. This heightened sensitivity to suffering, coupled with the ease of bidirectional mass communication, such as on social media platforms, has increased the reach and effectiveness of recruiting third-party support for people signaling victimhood.
https://scottbarrykaufman.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Ok-et-al.-2020.pdf


Yes - only in a country that protects and defends their 'right' to object to any or all of it can such movements prosper.

Historically we allowed the sheilas to get away with it in the genuine interests of equality - then found that appeasement would never be enough until they occupied the whole continent, or had Quislings in place to make it look as if they didn't.  Labor men are just such Quislings.

There will never be peace in our time while ever our 'governments' appease the endless troupes of whining nay-sayers and self-servers who stack branches and exert undue pressure in the media that frightens and herds politicians into line for fear of being called, misogynist, racist, homophobic or some form of hater for simply saying NO to the endless demands...

In order to see the light of day once more, Sane Society must endure blood, sweat, loss and tears to restore Sanity .... and there is now no New World to look to since it is in an even more dire strait than we are .... this is indeed our Darkest Hour....   Shocked
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Reply #899 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 8:55pm
 
When BLM members discuss slavery are they talking about slavery in Africa and Asia? In the United States slavery was abolished 150 years ago. That means, precisely 0% of African-Americans have experienced slavery. Surely, they're talking about slavery in Africa and Asia.
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