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Reply #615 - Apr 29^th, 2020 at 6:16am

There is a simple and straight forward reason the Maori got a treatise and the abbos didn't.

The Maori are far more advanced culturally and politically.
They had a civilization,
They built structures and developed beyond stone age.

Aborigines have no cultural cohesion, it's every tribe for itself.
I have seen the abbos on the central coast miss out on great windfalls because they come from a different tribe.

There is no culture in aborigines, they have only individual tribes.
There is no political structure and they were pre-stone age when found.
Marginally above the ape who uses a stick to gain access to a bee's nest to get honey.

People have tried to help them set up some form of political or cultural structure.
But they either resist or are simply too lazy to get off their arses to do anything but beg and whinge.

The few that succeed, ignore their people, other than to use them as a means to an end.

When they have a cohesive, functional political structure and act as a group rather than individuals.
When they get up off their lazy, drug or grog induced stupor.
When they actually start to contribute rather than live as parasites.

Then they can call for a treatise, until then, they are nothing but parasites.

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Reply #616 - Apr 29^th, 2020 at 9:17am

Jasin wrote on Apr 27^th, 2020 at 6:17pm:

Bahaha.

You sound like an archaic relic from 1788 still harping on about finding a continent empty of people.

Mind you, after watching a nice Doco on the Romans of early Britain - if it wasn't for the Romans, the Brits would still be living in mud-holes, under twigs and eating fleas from their animal hides.

The British that were Pre-Roman were more 'animal' than Human and a lot less progressive than Aboriginals at the time.

That line of thought can be applied to Australia as well.......could it not? Only there was no progression.

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The story of prehistoric Britain began when the first humans arrived in Britain. It ended when the Romans conquered the ancient Britons and Britain became part of the Roman Empire.

The earliest humans were hunter-gatherers. They survived by hunting animals and finding food to eat. Then, very gradually people learned new skills. First they learned to herd animals and grow crops. Later they discovered the secrets of making bronze and iron.

Prehistoric people couldn't read or write, but they were astonishing builders. Their tombs, forts and monuments have survived for thousands of years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/z82hsbk/articles/zpny34j

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Reply #618 - Apr 29^th, 2020 at 9:20am

Jasin wrote on Apr 27^th, 2020 at 6:30pm:

The Books and Evidence keep pumping out.
Gonads and Gropper obviously can't keep up and still parade Communist-like Whitey Propaganda.

Apparently Aboriginals never existed. Shocked

Wow! Must have been vacant land - eh?

Pathetic ... have another guess at distraction from you being handed your arse.

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Reply #619 - Apr 29^th, 2020 at 9:31am

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 28^th, 2020 at 12:24pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Apr 28^th, 2020 at 2:53am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 27^th, 2020 at 8:56pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Apr 27^th, 2020 at 6:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 27^th, 2020 at 6:40pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Apr 27^th, 2020 at 6:27pm:

Until he provides proof positive of his assertions, they remain merely his views.... and just one view among many.

Views which is noted you and the other Racists have failed dismally to address. Instead you wander off attempting to assassinate his character by dismissing his claims to Indigenous ancestry. Roll Eyes

Nothing to address.. it's all been done before that racist Pascoe started in on it... as I said - just one view among many and hardly convincing.

And I'll thank you to avoid using terms such as 'racist' in addressing me... calling for proof - as opposed to Jasun's 'evidence' is not 'racist' in any way, so stop abusing the English language that the white man brought you.

I never said anything adverse about Koons and Niggruhs and other Untermenschen... but now that you stirred me up.... maybe your time and energy would be far better spent working on their very real problems..... if you ever wish to address those in between bouts of bullshit.

So quoting from early explorers/settlers journals/diaries are unconvincing? I suspect you'd like the white to be declared black on pedestrian crossings to allow you to speed through them... Roll Eyes

Not when the preponderance of evidence indicates otherwise.

If you'd like to limit your discussion to 'terra nullius' and what that entails - you might do better than Piltdown's ravings based on severely cherry-picked references.

Let me start you off:-

Terra Nullius does not suggest there were no residents - it says there was no organised government or infrastructure to support those residents, and thus the way was open to install an organised government and infrastructure. There was no organised society - ergo - by the values of those times - from which overall the Aboriginals have benefited mightily in many ways - there was no need to negotiate anything.

Times may have changed - but the realities do not - and a few temporary residencies where food was available still do not make a civilisation. The reality is that with the intervention of civilisation, the life expectancy, general health, social conditions, opportunities, living standards, and so forth, of Indigenous Australians improved and continue to improve.

Piltdown and his ilk perpetually seeking to re-create some mythical golden past will eventually result in the society that has nurtured his kind rejecting their claims in entirety, and allowing them to 'do things their way' without assistance from that civilisation.

That is the end of it.... and Pascoe with all his unsupported rantings will not change that. In reality, he is a mosquito annoying people, and with no real purpose or aim other than somehow sucking from them.. and his own 'tribe' do not accept him as one of their own... does he share the earnings from his fantasy stories with this 'tribe' who reject him, like a Good Kaffir? I'll bet not - he uses it to flourish in the White Man's society, nice house and so forth.

Get Over It!

A local Aboriginal I know here would be long dead without Whartey's intervention, via a quadruple bypass - and he was a footballer and as a child ball boy for Mick Cronin. He has a job in the local health system, well paid with super etc, and his family do well....

Better than being food for weeds, eh?

Forget Piltdown - he is a loser seeking notoriety and money - easy path to riches unearned, as clearly shown by the feminists and others over the years. Maybe someone will make him a professor or something and he will suck deeply off the academic tit for life, and laugh all the way to the bank, while the ABC and other fools pay him handsomely to badmouth Whitey's Man created civilisation that benefits him and them so very much.

Get back to me when he's accepted as a tribal member based on genuine ancestry.

"Piltdown" is not a person but is a place, Graps.

Terra Nullius was not about social organisation it was a legalistic slight of hand to dispossess the Indigenous Australians of an entire continent. Native Americans, Central Asians, Greenlanders, Africans, all were at approximately the same level of development as Indigenous Australians and were recognised as peoples who owned the land on which they dwelt. Some were true nomads. Yet Europeans concluded treaties with them. They recognised them. Indigenous Australians? Nope.

Run along, Graps. Roll Eyes

BS ... they were more advanced than Aboriginals.

BTW ... how many of those "treaties" ... were really honoured?

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Reply #620 - Apr 29^th, 2020 at 9:38am

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 28^th, 2020 at 4:21pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 28^th, 2020 at 1:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 28^th, 2020 at 12:53pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 28^th, 2020 at 12:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 28^th, 2020 at 12:26pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Apr 28^th, 2020 at 12:22pm:

Proof or no dice.... unsupported assertions about ethnic origin etc do not wash. Thank you, Bruce, your Cornish views are worth a look and a few small points could be of historical interest, but the weight of evidence is against you regardless of how much hoop-la goes down in the media.

Constantly repeating the same refrain even after it has been discredited does no good to anyone, as Dr Goebbels found.

I want to talk about what Pascoe has suggested, not his ancestry. You just want to discredit him because of his ancestry. Tsk, tsk, it appears you're a real, true, Racist, Graps. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Pascoe has suggested he has Aboriginal ancestry.

You misquoted me, Set. I have corrected your quote to reflect it's real meaning. Roll Eyes

So you only want to talk about some of his suggestions?

I want to talk about the suggestions made in his book where he has quoted from early explorers/settlers' journals/diaries, Set. Why do you find such a concept difficult to understand. Why does Graps find it difficult. Why does Gnads, et al, find it hard to understand and instead want to rabbit on about Pascoe's ancestry? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

I'm not only "rabbiting" on about his non aboriginal ancestry ..... I'm also rabbiting on about his suggestions made from his (& the bloke he plagerised) interpretations of some explorers/settlers journals & dairies.

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Reply #621 - Apr 29^th, 2020 at 9:47am

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 28^th, 2020 at 9:43pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Apr 28^th, 2020 at 8:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 28^th, 2020 at 12:24pm:

"Piltdown" is not a person but is a place, Graps.

Terra Nullius was not about social organisation it was a legalistic slight of hand to dispossess the Indigenous Australians of an entire continent. Native Americans, Central Asians, Greenlanders, Africans, all were at approximately the same level of development as Indigenous Australians and were recognised as peoples who owned the land on which they dwelt. Some were true nomads. Yet Europeans concluded treaties with them. They recognised them. Indigenous Australians? Nope.

Run along, Graps. Roll Eyes

I know full well what Piltdown is - I took a little licence there... it being apt to consider that Pascoe seeks to be both a Homo Sapiens and a Cro-Magnon at the same time, and goes out of his way to seek the appearance of the latter. As I said a Homo Sapiens skull fitted to a jawbone that never shuts up about unproven and unprovable things...much like Jasun and his assertions that the Indigenous would not have had the big fires etc... unproven and unprovable.

You wrote as if "Piltdown" was a person, Graps... Roll Eyes

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"Terra Nullius was not about social organisation it was a legalistic slight of hand to dispossess the Indigenous Australians of an entire continent.

Gobbledee-gook to say the same thing really... and point proven by your viewing treaties with other 'hunter-gather groups' - they were more numerous, often more organised, and more aggressive about hanging on to their long-term residential land, and the treaties were often honoured more in the breach than in the keeping anyway.... Just legalistic sleight of hand.

Which way do you want it? Either a treaty is legalistic sleight of hand or a non-treaty is - or should it be both? In that case, upon what basis?

A treaty would recognise prior ownership of the continent, Graps. A fact that all Indigenous and many Whites acknowledge. Time for the Government to catch up. Just as it did with the Apology. You can deny prior ownership all you like but when it happens who will be left with mud on their face? Roll Eyes

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The Maoris got a Treaty - they fought pitched battles with the Pakeha - and besides - no amount of attempted re-writing can change what was past....

The Maoris got a treaty but the Indigenous Australians didn't. A great example of the double dealing of the English... Roll Eyes

No he did not .

He called a person ... namely Pascoe

Piltdown Pascoe .... in reference to him being as fake as the famous Piltdown fossil fake.

It was a pretty simple association ... that must have gone straight over your head.

And that would have been some achievement as your head is so big. Roll Eyes

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59354 Gender:	Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence Reply #622 - Apr 29^th, 2020 at 12:55pm Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2020 at 7:20pm: Very well, Bwian - which Pascoe quotes from early explorers do you wish to investigate and review? Which quotes do you think support Pascoe? Bwian, that question shut you up, ya silly old duffer.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46311	Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence Reply #624 - Jun 14^th, 2020 at 12:06pm Building huts the old way
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Reply #626 - Jun 14^th, 2020 at 7:28pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 29^th, 2020 at 9:31am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 28^th, 2020 at 12:24pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Apr 28^th, 2020 at 2:53am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 27^th, 2020 at 8:56pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Apr 27^th, 2020 at 6:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 27^th, 2020 at 6:40pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Apr 27^th, 2020 at 6:27pm:

Until he provides proof positive of his assertions, they remain merely his views.... and just one view among many.

Views which is noted you and the other Racists have failed dismally to address. Instead you wander off attempting to assassinate his character by dismissing his claims to Indigenous ancestry. Roll Eyes

Nothing to address.. it's all been done before that racist Pascoe started in on it... as I said - just one view among many and hardly convincing.

And I'll thank you to avoid using terms such as 'racist' in addressing me... calling for proof - as opposed to Jasun's 'evidence' is not 'racist' in any way, so stop abusing the English language that the white man brought you.

I never said anything adverse about Koons and Niggruhs and other Untermenschen... but now that you stirred me up.... maybe your time and energy would be far better spent working on their very real problems..... if you ever wish to address those in between bouts of bullshit.

So quoting from early explorers/settlers journals/diaries are unconvincing? I suspect you'd like the white to be declared black on pedestrian crossings to allow you to speed through them... Roll Eyes

Not when the preponderance of evidence indicates otherwise.

If you'd like to limit your discussion to 'terra nullius' and what that entails - you might do better than Piltdown's ravings based on severely cherry-picked references.

Let me start you off:-

Terra Nullius does not suggest there were no residents - it says there was no organised government or infrastructure to support those residents, and thus the way was open to install an organised government and infrastructure. There was no organised society - ergo - by the values of those times - from which overall the Aboriginals have benefited mightily in many ways - there was no need to negotiate anything.

Times may have changed - but the realities do not - and a few temporary residencies where food was available still do not make a civilisation. The reality is that with the intervention of civilisation, the life expectancy, general health, social conditions, opportunities, living standards, and so forth, of Indigenous Australians improved and continue to improve.

Piltdown and his ilk perpetually seeking to re-create some mythical golden past will eventually result in the society that has nurtured his kind rejecting their claims in entirety, and allowing them to 'do things their way' without assistance from that civilisation.

That is the end of it.... and Pascoe with all his unsupported rantings will not change that. In reality, he is a mosquito annoying people, and with no real purpose or aim other than somehow sucking from them.. and his own 'tribe' do not accept him as one of their own... does he share the earnings from his fantasy stories with this 'tribe' who reject him, like a Good Kaffir? I'll bet not - he uses it to flourish in the White Man's society, nice house and so forth.

Get Over It!

A local Aboriginal I know here would be long dead without Whartey's intervention, via a quadruple bypass - and he was a footballer and as a child ball boy for Mick Cronin. He has a job in the local health system, well paid with super etc, and his family do well....

Better than being food for weeds, eh?

Forget Piltdown - he is a loser seeking notoriety and money - easy path to riches unearned, as clearly shown by the feminists and others over the years. Maybe someone will make him a professor or something and he will suck deeply off the academic tit for life, and laugh all the way to the bank, while the ABC and other fools pay him handsomely to badmouth Whitey's Man created civilisation that benefits him and them so very much.

Get back to me when he's accepted as a tribal member based on genuine ancestry.

"Piltdown" is not a person but is a place, Graps.

Terra Nullius was not about social organisation it was a legalistic slight of hand to dispossess the Indigenous Australians of an entire continent. Native Americans, Central Asians, Greenlanders, Africans, all were at approximately the same level of development as Indigenous Australians and were recognised as peoples who owned the land on which they dwelt. Some were true nomads. Yet Europeans concluded treaties with them. They recognised them. Indigenous Australians? Nope.

Run along, Graps. Roll Eyes

BS ... they were more advanced than Aboriginals.

BTW ... how many of those "treaties" ... were really honoured?

Those other cultures were far more advanced than the primitives of Australia.

They were all beyond stone age, whereas the abbos were pre-stone age.
Couldn't even work out how to lash a rock to a stick.

The other cultures had weaponry far advanced than the abbos
And true cultures that had more than some vague dreamtime reference.

Admit it
They were so primitive that they were barely better than animals.

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Reply #628 - Jun 15^th, 2020 at 5:26am

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2020 at 9:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14^th, 2020 at 12:06pm:

Building huts the old way Cool

Very handy........

Building huts the old way?

What, ripping the bark off trees and leaning it against another tree?

Even birds make nests, insects make nests far more advanced than the lean toos used by abbos.

Surely you can do better than that.

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Reply #629 - Jun 15^th, 2020 at 11:55am

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2020 at 9:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14^th, 2020 at 12:06pm:

Building huts the old way Cool

Very handy........

But, according to you and the other Racists here, the Indigenous Australians were all completely nomadic... Shame it undermines your lies once more. It destroys the Racism of Valkie completely. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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