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Question: Is Bruce Pascoe
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a fraud    
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not a fraud    
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delusional    
  1 (12.5%)
a scheming lowlife running a scam    
  3 (37.5%)
Aboriginal    
  2 (25.0%)
White    
  0 (0.0%)
Other    
  1 (12.5%)
pure as the driven snow    
  0 (0.0%)




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Reply #60 - Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:16pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:03pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 10:55pm:
Australia day is being celebrated on the wrong day but hey, while it's on January 26th, lets all enjoy it.


Yes. The "invasion" was on the 18-20th January. Wink


Who cares?  "Australia Day" is meant to be about us, as a nation.  When was Australia as a nation declared?  On 1 January 1901.  Therefore, 1 January should be "Australia Day".   Let us leave January 26th to New South Wales - it was when the English established it as a colony.   Nothing to do with Australia as a nation.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #61 - Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:18pm
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 10:55pm:
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 9:06pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:53pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:41pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:18pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 6:18pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 4:17pm:
What needs to be done on this fraud is a ancestry dna test. Lying scumbag!


We could even crowd fund the $150 it would cost. You'd think he'd be up for that to protect his good name, eh?


Why bother?  It would not show anything.  Ancestry DNA tests only exist to enrich the Church of the Latter Day Saints (the Mormons) and allows them to baptise previous generations into their church.  There are no Genes which show what a person's "race" might be.  Don't be sucked into believing otherwise.

You would also need Pascoe's permission and co-operation to carry out the test, which I doubt he'd be willing to provide.   Roll Eyes

Why are people so concerned about this one man's claim to being Indigenous Australian?

Is it 'cause he hurt your feelings by writing a book which undones a great deal of Colonial history?  He used White Colonists journals.  Were they lying?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Better still, why are your knickers in a twist because many people think he's a fraud?


"Twist"?  No, I've hardly contributed to this thread, after starting it.  Why? 'cause I knew it would upset people like you to realise that Pascoe was innocent of any wrong doing.  Lap it up, sonny Jim.  Why was Dutton so interesting this case of indentity? Mmmmm?  Roll Eyes


no idea.


Could it be that at heart, he's as Racist as you are?


Can't wait until tomorrow - after the arguments I've had this week in the fire relief organisation - to be able to point to crowds with nasty word signs etc.. and say "look - they're demeaning my people.. calling them rapists, racists, thieves and genociders".....

It will be sweet, let me tell you... justice always is... even better if they play up ....

But, Heaven Forbid - don't you even suggest that some might be 'triggered' by your flying your nation's flag on its national day... all hell will break loose... and don't you dare say that, given recent experience with relief supplies, some of the layabouts and hangers-on in a town might line up for unearned relief.... they'll tell you you're a racist even though you never mentioned Aboriginals... just layabouts and hangers-on....

Guilty conscience?

It's going to be sweet... I hope these fools brawl and carry on... most of them Wharteys anyway with a grievance against their good fortune in being here at all...  71% want Australia Day to remain Australia Day - who are the other 29%?  Does anyone really care about lunatic fringe groups?


Why are you addressing this to me, Graps?  Mmmmm?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Just getting it out there, mah man - waiting for the PC and SJW parade tomorrow... might go next year meself - hand out the papers for all the Wharteys to sign over their land and homes to their Brothers... link arms and Kumbayah, eh?


Being a rabble rouser?  How unusual for you, hey, Graps?  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes

So are you proud of how Australia has treated it's indigenous citizens?  YES/NO


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Reply #62 - Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:29pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 10:54pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:18pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 6:18pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 4:17pm:
What needs to be done on this fraud is a ancestry dna test. Lying scumbag!


We could even crowd fund the $150 it would cost. You'd think he'd be up for that to protect his good name, eh?


Why bother?  It would not show anything.  Ancestry DNA tests only exist to enrich the Church of the Latter Day Saints (the Mormons) and allows them to baptise previous generations into their church.  There are no Genes which show what a person's "race" might be.  Don't be sucked into believing otherwise.

You would also need Pascoe's permission and co-operation to carry out the test, which I doubt he'd be willing to provide.   Roll Eyes

Why are people so concerned about this one man's claim to being Indigenous Australian?

Is it 'cause he hurt your feelings by writing a book which undones a great deal of Colonial history?  He used White Colonists journals.  Were they lying?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Oh bullshit Brian, there are many DNA sequencers around. We could let him choose. The reason he would never give his OK is simple to understand. He's not Aboriginal. All this could be over and done with after paying $150. Why do you think he doesn't do that?

Why? He bases his credibility on it. It's the only reason he is listened to. It's a simple thing, show us this DNA you claim.

I've posted my mum's DNA chart here, you've seen it, her great great grandmother came here in 1850 from Donegal and her DNA shows that. It's cheap and shows where your DNA comes from. Help us crowd fund $150 to have his claim settled once and for all? What are you and he afraid of?


Problem is, there are no DNA Genes which show what "race" a person is or had ancestors from.   DNA sequencing will tell you bugger all about an individual, except that he may have committed a crime.   It won't tell you if Pascoe is an Indigenous Australia or not.  Roll Eyes



You are wrong as you so often are. I suggest you do a bit of researching. Is your knowledge stuck in the 1980s?

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Reply #63 - Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:32pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 10:54pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:18pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 6:18pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 4:17pm:
What needs to be done on this fraud is a ancestry dna test. Lying scumbag!


We could even crowd fund the $150 it would cost. You'd think he'd be up for that to protect his good name, eh?


Why bother?  It would not show anything.  Ancestry DNA tests only exist to enrich the Church of the Latter Day Saints (the Mormons) and allows them to baptise previous generations into their church.  There are no Genes which show what a person's "race" might be.  Don't be sucked into believing otherwise.

You would also need Pascoe's permission and co-operation to carry out the test, which I doubt he'd be willing to provide.   Roll Eyes

Why are people so concerned about this one man's claim to being Indigenous Australian?

Is it 'cause he hurt your feelings by writing a book which undones a great deal of Colonial history?  He used White Colonists journals.  Were they lying?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Oh bullshit Brian, there are many DNA sequencers around. We could let him choose. The reason he would never give his OK is simple to understand. He's not Aboriginal. All this could be over and done with after paying $150. Why do you think he doesn't do that?

Why? He bases his credibility on it. It's the only reason he is listened to. It's a simple thing, show us this DNA you claim.

I've posted my mum's DNA chart here, you've seen it, her great great grandmother came here in 1850 from Donegal and her DNA shows that. It's cheap and shows where your DNA comes from. Help us crowd fund $150 to have his claim settled once and for all? What are you and he afraid of?


Problem is, there are no DNA Genes which show what "race" a person is or had ancestors from.   DNA sequencing will tell you bugger all about an individual, except that he may have committed a crime.   It won't tell you if Pascoe is an Indigenous Australia or not.  Roll Eyes



You are wrong as you so often are. I suggest you do a bit of researching. Is your knowledge stuck in the 1980s?


Nope.
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Reply #64 - Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:40pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:32pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 10:54pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:18pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 6:18pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 4:17pm:
What needs to be done on this fraud is a ancestry dna test. Lying scumbag!


We could even crowd fund the $150 it would cost. You'd think he'd be up for that to protect his good name, eh?


Why bother?  It would not show anything.  Ancestry DNA tests only exist to enrich the Church of the Latter Day Saints (the Mormons) and allows them to baptise previous generations into their church.  There are no Genes which show what a person's "race" might be.  Don't be sucked into believing otherwise.

You would also need Pascoe's permission and co-operation to carry out the test, which I doubt he'd be willing to provide.   Roll Eyes

Why are people so concerned about this one man's claim to being Indigenous Australian?

Is it 'cause he hurt your feelings by writing a book which undones a great deal of Colonial history?  He used White Colonists journals.  Were they lying?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Oh bullshit Brian, there are many DNA sequencers around. We could let him choose. The reason he would never give his OK is simple to understand. He's not Aboriginal. All this could be over and done with after paying $150. Why do you think he doesn't do that?

Why? He bases his credibility on it. It's the only reason he is listened to. It's a simple thing, show us this DNA you claim.

I've posted my mum's DNA chart here, you've seen it, her great great grandmother came here in 1850 from Donegal and her DNA shows that. It's cheap and shows where your DNA comes from. Help us crowd fund $150 to have his claim settled once and for all? What are you and he afraid of?


Problem is, there are no DNA Genes which show what "race" a person is or had ancestors from.   DNA sequencing will tell you bugger all about an individual, except that he may have committed a crime.   It won't tell you if Pascoe is an Indigenous Australia or not.  Roll Eyes



You are wrong as you so often are. I suggest you do a bit of researching. Is your knowledge stuck in the 1980s?


Nope.


Didn't you read your link? All you need is Aboriginal DNA to compare it to. They can sequence DNA from long dead individuals from their remains. There is living aboriginal DNA they can compare against. To say you can't see if he has aboriginal DNA is a nonsense.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-03-09/dna-confirms-aboriginals-have-lon...

https://theconversation.com/a-dna-test-says-youve-got-indigenous-australian-ance...
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Reply #65 - Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:50pm
 
Remember Brian it doesn't have to measure his % it only has to determine if there is any.
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Reply #66 - Jan 26th, 2020 at 4:23am
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:40pm:
Didn't you read your link? All you need is Aboriginal DNA to compare it to. They can sequence DNA from long dead individuals from their remains. There is living aboriginal DNA they can compare against. To say you can't see if he has aboriginal DNA is a nonsense.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-03-09/dna-confirms-aboriginals-have-lon...

https://theconversation.com/a-dna-test-says-youve-got-indigenous-australian-ance...


Wow - so a DNA test will show my connection with the land in Ireland, Germany, Scotland and wherever - so having that continuous connection, I get a land claim?  So now I can become a self-proclaimed expert on the micro-history of any of those nations/regions etc?  Now - which one do I feel more part of... ummmmm... how far do you want to go back?  I mean - I saw a poster in last year's Oz Day demo that said - "Walking as if I've got 3000 ancestors behind me."  Funny thing is, everyone's got 3000 ancestors behind them..... if we didn't we wouldn't be here... and the old nationalistic jingoism concept has given way to a global village, hasn't it?  Or does that only apply to certain groups?

Or do we just keep all these nice ideas in separate little boxes?   Let's get back to that one later.....

What about colonialism?  Is it now a question of:-  "My lot stole this land before your lot - so we have precedence in the theft of land?"  Best we leave that one for a while, too... let it work a bit..

Anyway - go back long enough and I'm sure there are plenty of various kinds in my ancestry chain... Romans of all kinds, Middle Easterners, Indians or other Asians, Africans of some kind, maybe North American Indian my mother said ..... now which one do I most feel part of.... ummmmmm ...... lemme do a Pascoe here.... ummmmm ... gotta be selective................ might sell a book or two....   Cool
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Reply #67 - Jan 26th, 2020 at 9:16am
 
One doesn't have to be of Aboriginal descent to be accepted into Aboriginal culture with participation and be called Aboriginal.

That also shouldn't be a ticket for extra welfare benefits, if indeed there are any, other than extra help in education, assistance with housing,  then that's open to white honkies...as is any welfare benefit...a simple DNA test will separate the bogus from the real.
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Reply #68 - Jan 26th, 2020 at 10:40am
 
Actually, there are many benefits, Pete.  Human services is a bit cagey, though. They call them 'program's.  Program's where one group of Aussies receive free stuff and another don't. Why would you limit the idea with internal controls? These programs would never be exploited. Never.
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Reply #69 - Jan 26th, 2020 at 12:31pm
 
I see it this Mr Hammer....The pendulum swinging the other way on education for Aboriginal people isn't a bad thing, money well spent, nor a bad thing that Aboriginal people getting other benefits to help them gain control of their future and catch up to the rest of society.

(Are not there programs for new immigrants and your avg citizen....??)

The idea that Aboriginals are gaining an advantage is simply based on prejudice when for so long they haven't had the same advantage as other people, it has to be seen as catch up adavantage and not a monetary advantage until a time when there needs to be no catch up required for first people.



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Reply #70 - Jan 26th, 2020 at 12:38pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:16pm:
Nothing to do with Australia as a nation.



And nowhere did I say any different. It was the founding of Australia. Wink
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Reply #71 - Jan 26th, 2020 at 12:41pm
 
Pedro Curevo wrote on Jan 26th, 2020 at 12:31pm:
I see it this Mr Hammer....The pendulum swinging the other way on education for Aboriginal people isn't a bad thing, money well spent, nor a bad thing that Aboriginal people getting other benefits to help them gain control of their future and catch up to the rest of society.

(Are not there programs for new immigrants and your avg citizen....??)

The idea that Aboriginals are gaining an advantage is simply based on prejudice when for so long they haven't had the same advantage as other people, it has to be seen as catch up adavantage and not a monetary advantage until a time when there needs to be no catch up required for first people.





If only it was the amount of money that made the difference... the trouble, as mothra the activist freely admits, is getting the kids to actually attend school and bother to learn.

On all your other blurbs - you should, for equality's sake, put all other disadvantaged groups in the same basket... countless young white people grew up without very much, too, you know.... and they don't all live the same way as some Aboriginals do... but it would sometimes be nice to see a little 'affirmative action' thrown their way, too.

It isn't only Aboriginals who suffer abuse and deprivation as children, you know...

I see in the demos today they want more Aboriginal ownership of land - fair enough - that means a plot to live and build on like everyone else - not just huge swathes of prime land with which to do nothing, and from which all others are excluded.

That, my son, is part of 'catching up'... not just endless unthought out demands for anything and everything without let.

Nobody hands any other group huge swathes of land to do nothing with..... and there are plenty of struggling people out there..... not just Aborigines.

I say settle claims once and for all - excluding national icons etc which are common property of the nation - and that's it.  If they can't make a go of it given a plot of ground in their 'traditional area', and with help to build a home on it - they cannot be helped.

Nobody else gets endless gifts of housing and land etc - I pay for mine, then my kids do and their kids... nobody gives us anything for free for having been here for many generations now.

You getting there yet? It's called Equality - an issue that evades many... or that many choose to evade...

"until a time when there needs to be no catch up required for first people" .... when is that likely to be?  They have all rights extant.... all that seems to be left is to ensure they have a roof over their head, and that they can get a job to keep going...

However, given the history of 'feminism' from which all these 'movements' learned so very much - they will NEVER accept that there is no further need to spoon feed them.... and all that happens is that each successive act of appeasement by governments, giving one thing more than one thing more, is only a stepping stone to greater demands and the next demand.... there has to be a line drawn somewhere - same as with the feminists... where society says NO More!  You are now Equal and go your own way without crutches and special schooling and half-way house jobs etc...

Before you jump up and down and spout empty rhetoric - tell us what Rights Aborigines do not hold in this nation... (and other groups of citizens, of course)... there's a start ...
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Reply #72 - Jan 26th, 2020 at 12:42pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 26th, 2020 at 12:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:16pm:
Nothing to do with Australia as a nation.


And nowhere did I say any different. It was the founding of Australia. Wink


No it wasn't.  It was the founding of New South Wales as a colony.  1 January was the date of the founding of Australia as a nation.  QED.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #73 - Jan 26th, 2020 at 12:49pm
 
An example of the program's I was referring to is Aboriginal Dental? Get your teeth fixed, whitenerd capped etc for free. How many non-Aborigine people are walking around with less than perfect smiles? Aboriginal small business? Here's ten grand for tools? How many non-Aboriginal  small businesses would kill for a helping hand like that? There's many more. Sure, most of them have their equivalent in the welfare system, generally. Just not as generous or as liberally tested.
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Reply #74 - Jan 26th, 2020 at 12:51pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26th, 2020 at 12:42pm:
No it wasn't.  It was the founding of New South Wales as a colony.



Which led inevitably to other states and then inevitably to Australia as a nation. Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26th, 2020 at 12:42pm:
1 January was the date of the founding of Australia as a nation.



Nope. It was a declaration of Federation of states to form a Commonwealth.

But perhaps you have a link showing Australia was founded in 1901? Wink
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