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Reply #30 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 11:32pm

Things can only get better:-

"Pascoe was born in Richmond, Victoria in 1947, growing up in a poor working-class family, who did not tell him the details of his heritage"

So HTF did he work out he had Aboriginal 'heritage'?

"In his early thirties, Pascoe started investigating his ancestry, remembering his uncle having mentioned Aboriginal ancestry, and identified himself as Koori by the age of 40. He found Aboriginal ancestors on both sides of his family, including from Tasmania (Palawa),[20] from the Bunurong people of the Kulin nation of Victoria, and the Yuin of southern New South Wales."

Must be a heap of Aboriginal Cornish women there...

You judge:-

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Reply #31 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 11:47pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:51pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:47pm:

Trump would call this fake news. Why did the newspaper decide to go public with this crap?

I fail to see why you would blame the media....Why did Peter Dutton bother the AFP with this crap Mr Hammer???

Huh

Fraud is fraud.

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Reply #32 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 7:02am

Pasco is a fraud and a liar.

Sort of fits in perfectly with the abbo begging machine.
And is a perfect example of the apologist machine, looking for an opportunity to gain something from propping up rediculious claims and pushing for ever increasing benifits for the terminally lazy group of people.

I woukd almost believe that he was an abbo, based on his proclivity for lying, defrauding, screaming racism and just being a dick.
But he isn't.

What it comes down to.
In the simplest of terms
Is that he has lied, and as a proven liar, he has ZERO credibility for the stupidly rediculious claims he fabricated in his book of bullshite.

As for the idiots who believe him, for both real and wrong reasons.
You are all fools.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36398 Gender:	Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence Reply #33 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 7:40am It's highly amusing watching how utterly disproportionate the hatred for Pascoe is versus anything he has actually done or said. High volumes spoken.
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence Reply #34 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 7:45am Mothballs being hysterical again. Have you ever heard of a vibrator?
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Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence
Reply #35 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 12:59pm

mothra wrote on Jan 25^th, 2020 at 7:40am:

It's highly amusing watching how utterly disproportionate the hatred for Pascoe is versus anything he has actually done or said.

High volumes spoken.

One doesn't hate low-life, madam.... one despises them... and besides, we'll all as equally unconcerned in the morning, but he'll remain a fraudster forever...

"In Convincing Ground (2007), Pascoe writes about the dangers of "people of broken and distant heritage like me...barging into their rediscovered community expecting to be greeted like the Prodigal Son", saying that those who have grown up without awareness of their Aboriginality cannot have experienced racism, being removed from family or other disadvantages, and cannot "fully understand what it is to be Aboriginal. You've lost contact with your identity and in quite profound areas it can never be reclaimed... As a result of this limited experience you cannot assume authority or the position of a spokesperson". He says that some branches of family trees and public records have often been "pruned of a few branches";[23] family trees do not always tell the whole story of the settler population.[24] In this book and in interviews, Pascoe admits that his Aboriginal ancestry is distant, and that he is “more Cornish than Koori”.

Sounds like pretty unconvincing ground to me...

"In January 2020, Pascoe said that he believes that the allegations that he is not Aboriginal are motivated by wanting to discredit Dark Emu. He had already responded to the Boonwurrung Land and Sea Council's rejection of his connection to the Bunurong, saying that his connection was through the Tasmanian family, not through Central Victorian Bunurong.[26] A few days later, the chairman of the Aboriginal Land Council of Tasmania, Michael Mansell, issued a three-page statement on the issue, saying that he does not believe that Pascoe has Indigenous ancestry, and he should stop claiming he does. However, Mansell acknowledged that some indigenous leaders including Marcia Langton (Foundation Chair in Australian Indigenous Studies at the University of Melbourne) accepted Pascoe’s Aboriginality based on his claim to community recognition".

Still sounds like pretty unconvincing ground to me... unfortunately his claims are what is discrediting anything of value in Dark Emu. If he's just said, "Hi - I'm Bruce Pascoe (no affiliations and no claims) and here is an interesting slant on history based on interpretations of historical documents etc - wanna read it?".. he'd have been home scot free..

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Reply #36 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 3:05pm

Ken Wyatt is my local member and someone I respect....Here is what a true indigenous leader thinks!!!

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Ken Wyatt may ask for resignations from Indigenous body after Bruce Pascoe controversy

Wyatt said he found it “fascinating” that identity seems to be broadly accepted with every other group, while Indigenous Australians are questioned.

“No one else gets that question,” he said. “A person who says ‘I’m Italian’, even though you know that they were born in this country but their parents are Italian, we accept that.

“But in the Indigenous area, it’s always been questioned, partly because of the way governments in the past categorised us, whether we were ‘full-blood’, ‘half caste’, ‘quarter caste’ or ‘quadroon’, and on that basis then made decisions about what people were eligible for.

“I’ve never questioned another Indigenous person who has said they’re Indigenous. It’s not my place.

Wyatt said it was vital that young Indigenous people saw strong leaders “who are measured in their responses and who provide examples of how you can deal with challenges and work to a solution in a way in which we’re not fighting each other publicly on social media”.

Pascoe is the award-winning author of the 2014 bestseller Dark Emu, a book that challenged assumptions about Indigenous Australia, based on historical records showing Aboriginal people farming and living in large villages.

It was named book of the year at the NSW premier’s literary awards, and has been turned into a children’s book and upcoming ABC TV series. But since its success, Pascoe and his book have been targeted by rightwing commentators such as News Corp’s Andrew Bolt.

Pascoe, who had been in Mallacoota fighting the bushfires over the new year, told the ABC earlier this month that he had been hurt by the accusations.

Bruce Pascoe is a better person than most of those who condemn him....He has triggered the right!!!

Grin

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/25/ken-wyatt-may-ask-for-res...

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21111 Gender:	Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence Reply #37 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 3:08pm philperth2010 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2020 at 3:05pm: Bruce Pascoe is a better person than most of those who condemn him....He has triggered the right!!! Fascinating that is all it takes for the lefties to label people better than others.
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Reply #38 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 4:05pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2020 at 3:05pm:

Ken Wyatt is my local member and someone I respect....Here is what a true indigenous leader thinks!!!

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Ken Wyatt may ask for resignations from Indigenous body after Bruce Pascoe controversy

Wyatt said he found it “fascinating” that identity seems to be broadly accepted with every other group, while Indigenous Australians are questioned.

“No one else gets that question,” he said. “A person who says ‘I’m Italian’, even though you know that they were born in this country but their parents are Italian, we accept that.

“But in the Indigenous area, it’s always been questioned, partly because of the way governments in the past categorised us, whether we were ‘full-blood’, ‘half caste’, ‘quarter caste’ or ‘quadroon’, and on that basis then made decisions about what people were eligible for.

“I’ve never questioned another Indigenous person who has said they’re Indigenous. It’s not my place.

Wyatt said it was vital that young Indigenous people saw strong leaders “who are measured in their responses and who provide examples of how you can deal with challenges and work to a solution in a way in which we’re not fighting each other publicly on social media”.

Pascoe is the award-winning author of the 2014 bestseller Dark Emu, a book that challenged assumptions about Indigenous Australia, based on historical records showing Aboriginal people farming and living in large villages.

It was named book of the year at the NSW premier’s literary awards, and has been turned into a children’s book and upcoming ABC TV series. But since its success, Pascoe and his book have been targeted by rightwing commentators such as News Corp’s Andrew Bolt.

Pascoe, who had been in Mallacoota fighting the bushfires over the new year, told the ABC earlier this month that he had been hurt by the accusations.

Bruce Pascoe is a better person than most of those who condemn him....He has triggered the right!!!

Grin

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/25/ken-wyatt-may-ask-for-res...

There is no advantage in being Italian. Claiming Aboriginality means preferment, subsidies, easy pass. No matter how blonde a university lecturer you might be.

If it was truly a disadvantage there would be no bandwagon into which more and more people are eager to jump.

It's 'I'm Brian - and so is my wife."

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence Reply #39 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 4:17pm What needs to be done on this fraud is a ancestry dna test. Lying scumbag!
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Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence
Reply #40 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 6:04pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2020 at 3:05pm:

Ken Wyatt is my local member and someone I respect....Here is what a true indigenous leader thinks!!!

Quote:

Ken Wyatt may ask for resignations from Indigenous body after Bruce Pascoe controversy

Wyatt said he found it “fascinating” that identity seems to be broadly accepted with every other group, while Indigenous Australians are questioned.

“No one else gets that question,” he said. “A person who says ‘I’m Italian’, even though you know that they were born in this country but their parents are Italian, we accept that.

“But in the Indigenous area, it’s always been questioned, partly because of the way governments in the past categorised us, whether we were ‘full-blood’, ‘half caste’, ‘quarter caste’ or ‘quadroon’, and on that basis then made decisions about what people were eligible for.

“I’ve never questioned another Indigenous person who has said they’re Indigenous. It’s not my place.

Wyatt said it was vital that young Indigenous people saw strong leaders “who are measured in their responses and who provide examples of how you can deal with challenges and work to a solution in a way in which we’re not fighting each other publicly on social media”.

Pascoe is the award-winning author of the 2014 bestseller Dark Emu, a book that challenged assumptions about Indigenous Australia, based on historical records showing Aboriginal people farming and living in large villages.

It was named book of the year at the NSW premier’s literary awards, and has been turned into a children’s book and upcoming ABC TV series. But since its success, Pascoe and his book have been targeted by rightwing commentators such as News Corp’s Andrew Bolt.

Pascoe, who had been in Mallacoota fighting the bushfires over the new year, told the ABC earlier this month that he had been hurt by the accusations.

Bruce Pascoe is a better person than most of those who condemn him....He has triggered the right!!!

Grin

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/25/ken-wyatt-may-ask-for-res...

All well and good, Mr Wyatt, but when it is used to sell a book posited as fact, when it is itself only a matter of opinions, then it seems to me that ensuring someone who says he's Italian really is Italian is in order.

Helen Demidenko ring a bell?

If I were to say I was an Eskimo and had surveyed the gamut of Eskimo oppression and posted a heap of stuff... would you want to know that I was truly Eskimo? What if I said I was Vietnamese.. or better still, Cambodian, and had endured the Khmer Rouge regime's excesses, or, at the very least, being Cambodian, could comment on things that happened in an authoritative way under that regime because of my blood and cultural ties etc - would you require that I prove I am Cambodian?

Or is it OK if I just feel Cambodian? Cool

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 17374 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence Reply #41 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 6:18pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25^th, 2020 at 4:17pm: What needs to be done on this fraud is a ancestry dna test. Lying scumbag! We could even crowd fund the $150 it would cost. You'd think he'd be up for that to protect his good name, eh?
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Grappler Racist Filth Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90409 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence Reply #42 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 6:33pm The challenge is up....
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Reply #43 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 7:59pm

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2020 at 4:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2020 at 3:05pm:

Ken Wyatt is my local member and someone I respect....Here is what a true indigenous leader thinks!!!

Quote:

Ken Wyatt may ask for resignations from Indigenous body after Bruce Pascoe controversy

Wyatt said he found it “fascinating” that identity seems to be broadly accepted with every other group, while Indigenous Australians are questioned.

“No one else gets that question,” he said. “A person who says ‘I’m Italian’, even though you know that they were born in this country but their parents are Italian, we accept that.

“But in the Indigenous area, it’s always been questioned, partly because of the way governments in the past categorised us, whether we were ‘full-blood’, ‘half caste’, ‘quarter caste’ or ‘quadroon’, and on that basis then made decisions about what people were eligible for.

“I’ve never questioned another Indigenous person who has said they’re Indigenous. It’s not my place.

Wyatt said it was vital that young Indigenous people saw strong leaders “who are measured in their responses and who provide examples of how you can deal with challenges and work to a solution in a way in which we’re not fighting each other publicly on social media”.

Pascoe is the award-winning author of the 2014 bestseller Dark Emu, a book that challenged assumptions about Indigenous Australia, based on historical records showing Aboriginal people farming and living in large villages.

It was named book of the year at the NSW premier’s literary awards, and has been turned into a children’s book and upcoming ABC TV series. But since its success, Pascoe and his book have been targeted by rightwing commentators such as News Corp’s Andrew Bolt.

Pascoe, who had been in Mallacoota fighting the bushfires over the new year, told the ABC earlier this month that he had been hurt by the accusations.

Bruce Pascoe is a better person than most of those who condemn him....He has triggered the right!!!

Grin

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/25/ken-wyatt-may-ask-for-res...

There is no advantage in being Italian. Claiming Aboriginality means preferment, subsidies, easy pass. No matter how blonde a university lecturer you might be.

If it was truly a disadvantage there would be no bandwagon into which more and more people are eager to jump.

It's 'I'm Brian - and so is my wife."

Tsk, tsk, always the mud, hey, Soren? You must be a wonderful Trick Cyclist. How many of your patients commit suicide after consulting you, I wonder? You always reach for the mud, don't you? Roll Eyes

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Reply #44 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 8:09pm

Setanta wrote on Jan 25^th, 2020 at 6:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25^th, 2020 at 4:17pm:

What needs to be done on this fraud is a ancestry dna test. Lying scumbag!

We could even crowd fund the $150 it would cost. You'd think he'd be up for that to protect his good name, eh?

He'd be s hit scared of that Setanta. Look at what happened to that maggot Elizabeth Warren aka Pocahontas ??

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a fraud 0 (0.0%) not a fraud 1 (12.5%) delusional 1 (12.5%) a scheming lowlife running a scam 3 (37.5%) Aboriginal 2 (25.0%) White 0 (0.0%) Other 1 (12.5%) pure as the driven snow 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 8 « Created by: Grappler Racist Filth on: Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:31pm »