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Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence
Reply #15 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:35pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:32pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:12pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:06pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 11:15am:

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The AFP said Pascoe's "Aboriginality was not relevant in determining whether a Commonwealth offence had been committed" and so those inquiries had not been undertaken.

Doesn't mean he's not a lying fraud.

Based on your very limited opinion....Why would you claim he is not Aboriginal without any evidence to support that claim....What do you base your belief on the claim he is not Aboriginal???

Huh

That the "people" he claims to be a part of don't recognise that he is, is enough for me. How about you? Why do you believe him.

From the article...
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"Some people think that my association, family association, is too slim to worry about.

"I've said that all along that these are distant relationships, but they're important to me, as is every relationship in my family."

All he has is claims, his genealogy does not match his words. His association is so slim it doesn't exist except in his own mind.

edit: My original post though has nothing to do with any of that. The OP by Brian stated "Complaint Dark Emu author Bruce Pascoe lied about Aboriginal heritage 'finalised' by AFP ".

Yet the article quoted clearly stated "The AFP said Pascoe's "Aboriginality was not relevant in determining whether a Commonwealth offence had been committed" and so those inquiries had not been undertaken."

So my reply to Brian's post was absolutely correct.

His Aboriginal ancestry was not relevant because he has committed no crime and should never have been referred to the AFP in the first place....Dutton is wasting there time with crap....I asked how can you claim he is lying....He claims he has Aboriginal heritage and you have provided nothing to refute his claim....You are making assumptions without evidence as usual???

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You don't listen or can't read or something is blinkering you. Let's set it out as simply as I can.

Brian's claim.
Dark Emu author Bruce Pascoe lied about Aboriginal heritage 'finalised' by AFP

AFP
We did not investigate that at all.

Get it?
Brian was talking out of his arse as he so often does, seeing something that is just not there.

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Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence
Reply #16 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:39pm

His clearly evidenced lack of Aboriginality is not the issue - the issue is:- did he use a false claim of Aboriginality to further a plan to gain financial advantage unfairly/illegally..

As I said - the AFP statement attempts to side-step the real issue... under orders, no doubt.. there is little to no integrity of investigation in such a group directly paid by the government..

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46311	Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence Reply #17 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:07pm I didn't claim anything, Set. I merely repeated the ABC headline. It is you and Graps who are claiming things, not me.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58871 Gender:	Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence Reply #18 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:11pm It's true - dishonesty is not in itself a criminal offence. Pascoe is merely dishonest.
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Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence
Reply #19 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:22pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:07pm:

I didn't claim anything, Set. I merely repeated the ABC headline. It is you and Graps who are claiming things, not me. Roll Eyes

So the ABC lied not you, fair enough, you just posted their lie as if it were true, you were just gullible. Did you read the piece before you posted it? Did you not comprehend the inconsistency of the headline with the contents?

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence Reply #20 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:23pm will it become a crime in the future when a person claims aboriginality and all the benefits that go along with it.... and its proved they do not have a drop of aboriginal blood in them???.. will they go to jail and have to repay all the money they have received like you can do if you rip off centerlink???
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Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence
Reply #21 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:42pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:39pm:

His clearly evidenced lack of Aboriginality is not the issue - the issue is:- did he use a false claim of Aboriginality to further a plan to gain financial advantage unfairly/illegally..

As I said - the AFP statement attempts to side-step the real issue... under orders, no doubt.. there is little to no integrity of investigation in such a group directly paid by the government..

He is a pensioner and has earned his reputation and living from writing, fiction, non-fiction, poetry, essays and children's literature....So how did he gain financial advantage from being Aboriginal Grap....He wrote a book about Aboriginal history (dark emu) which upset some conservatives that people can take or leave....If are you saying by claiming he is Aboriginal he gained a financial advantage can you provide evidence to support this....How did Bruce Pascoe gain financial advantage Grap???

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence Reply #22 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:47pm Trump would call this fake news. Why did the newspaper decide to go public with this crap?
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Reply #23 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:47pm

cods wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:23pm:

will it become a crime in the future when a person claims aboriginality and all the benefits that go along with it....

and its proved they do not have a drop of aboriginal blood in them???..

will they go to jail and have to repay all the money they have received like you can do if you rip off centerlink???

What benefits are they Cods???

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Do Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples get special treatment from the government?

Generally, Indigenous people receive the same level of public benefits as non-Indigenous people. Individuals do not get extra funding because they are Indigenous. However, specific government programs, not additional income, have been introduced for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples because they are the most economically and socially disadvantaged group in Australia. Special programs are necessary to help overcome disadvantage.

Examples of programs specifically designed to meet Indigenous needs include:

Community Development Employment Projects Scheme (CDEP) - Indigenous work-for-the-dole.
Aboriginal Medical Services and Aboriginal Legal Services - provide cost-free medical and legal services.

The Indigenous Employment Programme - provides flexible financial assistance to help create employment and training opportunities for Indigenous people in the private sector.

The Indigenous Education Strategic Initiatives Programme (IESIP) - provides supplementary funding to pre-schools, schools and vocational education and training providers to help improve educational outcomes for Indigenous students.

These programs supplement those available to the mainstream population. They are necessary because Indigenous people do not generally use mainstream services at the same rate as non-Indigenous people and because the level of Indigenous disadvantage is much more severe. Medical and legal services for low income and migrant communities are also available in Australia.

Aboriginal people do not make two car payments and the Government pays the rest nor do they get any additional unemployment benefits despite what you have heard???

Huh

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/questions-and-answers-about-aboriginal-t...

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence Reply #24 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:51pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:47pm: Trump would call this fake news. Why did the newspaper decide to go public with this crap? I fail to see why you would blame the media....Why did Peter Dutton bother the AFP with this crap Mr Hammer???
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Reply #25 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 10:03pm

Setanta wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:35pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:32pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:12pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:06pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 11:15am:

Quote:

The AFP said Pascoe's "Aboriginality was not relevant in determining whether a Commonwealth offence had been committed" and so those inquiries had not been undertaken.

Doesn't mean he's not a lying fraud.

Based on your very limited opinion....Why would you claim he is not Aboriginal without any evidence to support that claim....What do you base your belief on the claim he is not Aboriginal???

Huh

That the "people" he claims to be a part of don't recognise that he is, is enough for me. How about you? Why do you believe him.

From the article...
Quote:

"Some people think that my association, family association, is too slim to worry about.

"I've said that all along that these are distant relationships, but they're important to me, as is every relationship in my family."

All he has is claims, his genealogy does not match his words. His association is so slim it doesn't exist except in his own mind.

edit: My original post though has nothing to do with any of that. The OP by Brian stated "Complaint Dark Emu author Bruce Pascoe lied about Aboriginal heritage 'finalised' by AFP ".

Yet the article quoted clearly stated "The AFP said Pascoe's "Aboriginality was not relevant in determining whether a Commonwealth offence had been committed" and so those inquiries had not been undertaken."

So my reply to Brian's post was absolutely correct.

His Aboriginal ancestry was not relevant because he has committed no crime and should never have been referred to the AFP in the first place....Dutton is wasting there time with crap....I asked how can you claim he is lying....He claims he has Aboriginal heritage and you have provided nothing to refute his claim....You are making assumptions without evidence as usual???

Roll Eyes

You don't listen or can't read or something is blinkering you. Let's set it out as simply as I can.

Brian's claim.
Dark Emu author Bruce Pascoe lied about Aboriginal heritage 'finalised' by AFP

AFP
We did not investigate that at all.

Get it?
Brian was talking out of his arse as he so often does, seeing something that is just not there.

No you are talking out of your ass because Brian never stated what you claim (highlighted above) in the OP....The quote in the OP was....

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Complaint
Dark Emu author Bruce Pascoe lied about Aboriginal heritage 'finalised' by AFP

There is nothing misleading in this statement....What some people think is irrelevant!!!

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Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence
Reply #26 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 10:25pm

Setanta wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:07pm:

I didn't claim anything, Set. I merely repeated the ABC headline. It is you and Graps who are claiming things, not me. Roll Eyes

So the ABC lied not you, fair enough, you just posted their lie as if it were true, you were just gullible. Did you read the piece before you posted it? Did you not comprehend the inconsistency of the headline with the contents?

Tell me, are you always so sure of yourself, Set? Roll Eyes

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Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence
Reply #27 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 10:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 10:25pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:07pm:

I didn't claim anything, Set. I merely repeated the ABC headline. It is you and Graps who are claiming things, not me. Roll Eyes

So the ABC lied not you, fair enough, you just posted their lie as if it were true, you were just gullible. Did you read the piece before you posted it? Did you not comprehend the inconsistency of the headline with the contents?

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smil...

Tell me, are you always so sure of yourself, Set? Roll Eyes

It's there in print in the article you posted, don't shy away now. Shall I take this as another tactical withdrawal? You've already bugged out on the thread in multiculti when you said you would read the info and return.

The headline does not match the contents. It's as good as a Murdoch piece.

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Reply #28 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 11:16pm

I'm not claiming anything - just posting facts as written... I didn't make the 'facts' so am not asserting anything... though I am entitled to draw my own conclusions...

He should have ensured his book was clearly marked 'Fiction' - as I do with mine... if it's not fiction, it's fact.

Now all he's done is build a heap of small things into a mountain, and created hostility from 'put-down' Aboriginals, given them a 'reason' to be angry, and created a backlash to that anger. Looks to me he's trying to foment a conflict between White Meat and Dark Meat - maybe he wants to wipe out the Aboriginals for real... he's certainly not helping their claims, but he is building opposition, just like every 'radical' move does.

What is that other? Please explain?

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Re: Bruce Pascoe has committed no offence
Reply #29 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 11:27pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 10:03pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:35pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:32pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:12pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:06pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 11:15am:

Quote:

The AFP said Pascoe's "Aboriginality was not relevant in determining whether a Commonwealth offence had been committed" and so those inquiries had not been undertaken.

Doesn't mean he's not a lying fraud.

Based on your very limited opinion....Why would you claim he is not Aboriginal without any evidence to support that claim....What do you base your belief on the claim he is not Aboriginal???

Huh