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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #525 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 11:42am

Trashy_Pierre wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 11:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 10:38am:

Trashy_Pierre wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 10:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:47am:

cods wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 10:43pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 10:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 10:26pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 10:23pm:

The vote- the "ballot box" - was counted correctly, according to the clear rules known to every candidate.

That's right, dear.

And Hillary won, at the ballot box.

At the ballot box, Trump was annihilated.

I think you might be thinking of the electoral college - that's where the alleged child rapist won.

And the electoral college system has nuffin to do wiv the ballot box or the rules of counting votes in the ballot box or nuffin'?? Weally?

One vote is cast in the ballot box and a completely different vote is then cast in the electoral college 'ballot box"??

The electoral college don't use a ballot box.

The ballot box is used by the mum & dad voters.

In 2016, they overwhelmingly voted for Hillary Clinton.

You, however, made the outrageous claim that the alleged child rapist won at the ballot box.

Why did you do that?

Is it just that you don't understand how the US system works, or was it a blatant lie?

I'm curious.

HYPOTHETICAL GWEG

what if the republican nominee Trump....wins the BALLOT BOX vote..

but loses the electoral college vote to the Democrat..

what will you do?? will you cheer on their system will you except all those in favor of Trump bitching and complaining and wailing endlessly for the next 4 years..

on every thread.....

My beef isn't with their system, cods.

The electoral college decides who becomes President - everybody knows and accepts that.

Trump won the US electoral college, and he's their legitimate President.

I've never said anything to the contrary.

My beef is with people who say that he's the President because of his popularity - that's a lie.

Hillary Clinton received 3,000,000 more votes than Trump, so she was clearly way more popular than him.

And the funny thing is, she was one of the most unpopular candidates in US history.

So, Trump is even less popular than the most unpopular Grin

He won the election according to the rules, and he is the legitimate President.

However, he's not the President that the US voters wanted.

Only 139 million people voted in 2016.......there are 250+ million voter-age eligible Americans.

Therefore, a small amount, a mere 3 million, is like a grain of sand.

Popularity goes far far beyond the number of voters who cast votes, especially in a vast adult population the size of America's (over 10 times that of Australia).

Trump remains unpopular in all polls across the USA.

He is the only President to have never had a 50%+ approval rating.

His current rating is 41.9%.

He is the most unpopular President since Gerald Ford to run for re-election.

And of course, he lost the popular vote in 2016.

He's about as popular as a root canal.

Well, if you are correct even the weakest of Democratic opponents should beat him, but you know how wrong all but a couple polls were the last time.

Oh yeah, I'm not saying I trust the polls, but that's how it is at the moment.

He is extremely unpopular, according to most (if not all) polls.

And, Sanders, Warren, and Biden are all polling higher than him in regards to preferred President.

On paper, he should be completely destroyed in November this year.

I'm not counting my chickens yet though.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #526 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 12:38pm

You see? That just proves the Donald's genius again, Greggery.

Even as the most unpopular president in history, he still keeps on winning.

Bankrupted?

Winning.

Fired from NBC?

Winning.

Sued for fraud?

Winning.

Impeached?

Winning.

Future criminal charges?

Winning.

Thrown into jail?

Winning.

A martyr for the "noble capitalists" and those on the "narrow path to success"?

Winning.

Losing?

Winning.

I'm learning, dear.

You?

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #527 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 3:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:47am:

cods wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 9:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 10:43pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 10:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 10:26pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 10:23pm:

The vote- the "ballot box" - was counted correctly, according to the clear rules known to every candidate.

That's right, dear.

And Hillary won, at the ballot box.

At the ballot box, Trump was annihilated.

I think you might be thinking of the electoral college - that's where the alleged child rapist won.

And the electoral college system has nuffin to do wiv the ballot box or the rules of counting votes in the ballot box or nuffin'?? Weally?

One vote is cast in the ballot box and a completely different vote is then cast in the electoral college 'ballot box"??

The electoral college don't use a ballot box.

The ballot box is used by the mum & dad voters.

In 2016, they overwhelmingly voted for Hillary Clinton.

You, however, made the outrageous claim that the alleged child rapist won at the ballot box.

Why did you do that?

Is it just that you don't understand how the US system works, or was it a blatant lie?

I'm curious.

HYPOTHETICAL GWEG

what if the republican nominee Trump....wins the BALLOT BOX vote..

but loses the electoral college vote to the Democrat..

what will you do?? will you cheer on their system will you except all those in favor of Trump bitching and complaining and wailing endlessly for the next 4 years..

on every thread.....

My beef isn't with their system, cods.

The electoral college decides who becomes President - everybody knows and accepts that.

Trump won the US electoral college, and he's their legitimate President.

I've never said anything to the contrary.

My beef is with people who say that he's the President because of his popularity - that's a lie.

Hillary Clinton received 3,000,000 more votes than Trump, so she was clearly way more popular than him.

And the funny thing is, she was one of the most unpopular candidates in US history.

So, Trump is even less popular than the most unpopular Grin

He won the election according to the rules, and he is the legitimate President.

However, he's not the President that the US voters wanted.

thats exactly what I am asking you pet...

btw hillary was the first female to run for president...of course she won a female vote......

..my daughter travelled on a cruise with over 2000 Americans just prior to that election and they all hated her.....

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Reply #528 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 4:59pm

Electoral votes are allocated among the States based on the Census. Every State is allocated a number of votes equal to the number of senators and representatives in its U.S. Congressional delegation—two votes for its senators in the U.S. Senate plus a number of votes equal to the number of its Congressional districts.
Being a federation, they have two Senators for each state - two for California, two for Rhode Island and every other state in between.

This has been the electoral system since federation simply to protect the smaller states from the sheer weight of California, NY and a few other huge states. We have the same idea behind 10 senators from each state.

So elections are NOT about who has the largest number of votes and if you are stupid enough to insist on playing by rules that do not actually apply, you are a loser, like Hillary.

By the way, there was a hilarious article in the New York magazine in November about the Trump Derangement Syndrome women. They are ridiculous.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/donald-trump-is-destroying-my-marriage.h...

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #529 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 5:16pm

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 4:59pm:

Electoral votes are allocated among the States based on the Census. Every State is allocated a number of votes equal to the number of senators and representatives in its U.S. Congressional delegation—two votes for its senators in the U.S. Senate plus a number of votes equal to the number of its Congressional districts.
Being a federation, they have two Senators for each state - two for California, two for Rhode Island and every other state in between.

This has been the electoral system since federation simply to protect the smaller states from the sheer weight of California, NY and a few other huge states. We have the same idea behind 10 senators from each state.

So elections are NOT about who has the largest number of votes and if you are stupid enough to insist on playing by rules that do not actually apply, you are a loser, like Hillary.

By the way, there was a hilarious article in the New York magazine in November about the Trump Derangement Syndrome women. They are ridiculous.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/donald-trump-is-destroying-my-marriage.h...

what did they blame divorce on before Trump?????...

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an you explain why they ask the people to vote.....if their votes are not counted?????????...

I think I understand their system.......but I dont understand why they bother to ask people to vote.....

when it doesnt count anyway?... Undecided

I dont get it why not just go straight to the Electoral College...?

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 52889 Gender:	Re: Senate Impeachment Trial Reply #530 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 5:19pm https://www.usa.gov/election
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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #531 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 5:42pm

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 5:19pm:

https://www.usa.gov/election

U.S. PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION PROCESS

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Frank

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Excellent website, & tutorials on the entire process of how America picks their Presidents.....The Electoral College explained in easy to understand terms & graphics for everyone......a plethora of amassed knowledge..........
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Senate Impeachment Trial Reply #532 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 6:09pm ok how about someone tell me this what is the point of people voting if in the end their votes dont count? or at least point to me where it gives me the answer? ta.
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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #533 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 6:20pm

cods wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 6:09pm:

ok how about someone tell me this

what is the point of people voting if in the end their votes dont count?

or at least point to me where it gives me the answer? ta.

Oh, there's no answer, dear. The founding fathers thought it would be a cunning way to keep the states happy.

California was still in Mexico. New Yorkers were still goddamned Yankees.

The only way to make it right is mandatory voting, as we do. Obama was arrogant enough to point this out, the dirty cunning half-breed.

Just remember, the founding fathers saw the Prez as the states' servant. The vast machinery of executive government came later, respectively, after two world wars, Nixon and Dick Cheney.

Mr Trump happens to be the last man standing in a fairly short line of would-be emperors, even if he is wearing no clothes.

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #534 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 6:25pm

cods wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 6:09pm:

ok how about someone tell me this

what is the point of people voting if in the end their votes dont count?

or at least point to me where it gives me the answer? ta.

It is the same in EVERY non-marginal seat/jurisdiction.

If you live in a safe electorate and you are not voting for the incumbent party, your vote is 'wasted' if the status quo prevails.

But occasionally, as at the last British elections, the electorate moves and previously 'safe seat' change hands because the opposition to the incumbent candidate is greater than the margin of safety. Tony Blair's old seat of Sedgefield is now Conservative. As are many Labour seats in the UK.
"Sedgefield was continuously represented by Labour MPs from 1935 until 2019. "

No vote is not wasted. Things change. Not as fast as one or another would like but the aggregate is what matters. This or that voter may get it 'wrong' but the electorate is always right.
And if they think they got it wrong, they have the chance to correct their errors in the next 3-4 years.

BTW, this is also a wonderful protection against revolutionary, radical change.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146062 Gender:	Re: Senate Impeachment Trial Reply #535 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:08pm Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 4:59pm: So elections are NOT about who has the largest number of votes ... Nobody has ever said it is. So, makes everyone here wonder why you brought it up. The discussion is about the alleged child rapist's popularity - not how Presidents are chosen.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39462 Gender:	Re: Senate Impeachment Trial Reply #536 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:16pm I reckon the Dems ought to show a few of these photos around. This is Trump, the very bloke who is the subject of this Thread. Here insert photo of Trumps holding Ivanka's clothed boobs.
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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36679 Gender:	Re: Senate Impeachment Trial Reply #537 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:19pm The big fella is pretty popular. $1.70 favourite on sports bet. That makes him the "favourite" Favourites tend to do lots of winning. He may get so sick of winning, cause he wins all the time
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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #538 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:33pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:19pm:

The big fella is pretty popular.

No, he's not.

Sanders, Biden, and Warren are all polling higher than him.

He is the only President in history to have never had his popularity rating at 50%+.

He's currently around 42%.

And, he was slaughtered in the popular vote back in 2016.

He may be a lot of things, but 'popular' isn't one of them.

Keep telling yourself that lie though, if it helps you get through the day.

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Reply #539 - Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:46pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:19pm:

The big fella is pretty popular.
$1.70 favourite on sports bet.

Once again, you're very confused.

That's the price for winning the election, not the popular vote.

We're talking about his popularity, not who will win the election. Two different things.

"Odds are that Bernie Sanders wins Iowa, Joe Biden wins the Democratic nomination and Donald Trump wins the presidency—but loses the popular vote (again)."

Trump is not a popular.

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