Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 ... 23 24 25 26 27 ... 54
Send Topic Print
Senate Impeachment Trial (Read 39096 times)
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 113119
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #360 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 2:41pm
 
I feel sorry for the USA and the world.

People need to support their president as
there are so many things that need to be done.

Instead they waste time fighting amongst themselves.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
it_is_the_light
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Christ Light

Posts: 41434
The Pyramid of LIGHT
Gender: male
Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #361 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 2:43pm
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/31/us/john-roberts-trump-impeachment.html

Impeachment Trial Looming, Chief Justice Reflects on Judicial Independence


Chief Justice John Roberts’s year-end report on the judiciary praised civics education, but it was not hard to detect a timely subtext that appeared to be addressed to President Trump.



...
“We should celebrate our strong and independent judiciary, a key source of national unity and stability,” Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote.Credit...Doug Mills/The New York Times
Adam Liptak
By Adam Liptak
Dec. 31, 2019

WASHINGTON — As Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. prepares to preside over the impeachment trial of President Trump, he issued pointed remarks on Tuesday in his year-end report on the state of the federal judiciary that seemed to be addressed, at least in part, to the president himself.

The two men have a history of friction, and Chief Justice Roberts used the normally mild report to denounce false information spread on social media and to warn against mob rule. Some passages could be read as a mission statement for the chief justice’s plans for the impeachment trial itself.

“We should reflect on our duty to judge without fear or favor, deciding each matter with humility, integrity and dispatch,” he wrote in the report. “As the new year begins, and we turn to the tasks before us, we should each resolve to do our best to maintain the public’s trust that we are faithfully discharging our solemn obligation to equal justice under law.”

The nominal focus of the report was the importance of civics education, but even a casual reader could detect a timely subtext, one concerned with the foundational importance of the rule of law.


Back to top
 

ॐ May Much LOVE and CHRISTS LIGHT be upon and within us all.... namasté ▲ - : )  ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯
it_is_the_light it_is_the_light Christ+Light Christ+Light  
IP Logged
 
it_is_the_light
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Christ Light

Posts: 41434
The Pyramid of LIGHT
Gender: male
Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #362 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 2:44pm
 
Chief Justice Roberts began his report, as is his custom, with a bit of history, recalling a riot at which John Jay, an author of the Federalist Papers and later the first chief justice, was struck in the head by a rock “thrown by a rioter motivated by a rumor.”

Jay and his colleagues, Chief Justice Roberts wrote, “ultimately succeeded in convincing the public of the virtues of the principles embodied in the Constitution.”

“Those principles leave no place for mob violence,” the chief justice wrote. “But in the ensuing years, we have come to take democracy for granted, and civic education has fallen by the wayside. In our age, when social media can instantly spread rumor and false information on a grand scale, the public’s need to understand our government, and the protections it provides, is ever more vital. The judiciary has an important role to play in civic education.”

The report seemed to continue a conversation with Mr. Trump about the role of the courts.

In 2018, the two men had a sharp exchange, with Mr. Trump suggesting that federal judges carry out the wishes of the presidents who appointed them and Chief Justice Roberts defending the independence and integrity of the judicial branch.

Editors’ Picks

Sweethearts Forever. Then Came Alzheimer’s, Murder and Suicide.

As the Ball Dropped, Our Life Fell Apart

In a Year of Notable Deaths, a World of Women Who Shattered Ceilings
The exchange started when Mr. Trump called a judge who had ruled against his administration’s asylum policy “an Obama judge.” In response, the chief justice said the president had misunderstood the role of the federal courts in the constitutional system.

“We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges,” Chief Justice Roberts said in a statement. “What we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them. That independent judiciary is something we should all be thankful for.”

Mr. Trump took issue with the chief justice’s statement on Twitter. “Sorry Chief Justice John Roberts, but you do indeed have ‘Obama judges,’” Mr. Trump wrote, “and they have a much different point of view than the people who are charged with the safety of our country.”

On Tuesday, the chief justice returned to his theme. “We should celebrate our strong and independent judiciary, a key source of national unity and stability,” he wrote. “But we should also remember that justice is not inevitable.”

The friction with the president has only added to the delicate spot the chief justice will find himself in when he takes on his constitutionally assigned duty to preside over Mr. Trump’s Senate trial. Mr. Trump has repeatedly pinned the future of his presidency on the trial, the details and timing of which have not been set.

Chief Justice Roberts’s report concentrated on the central role the judiciary has played in educating the public, notably by issuing accessible decisions, in both senses of the word.

“When judges render their judgments through written opinions that explain their reasoning, they advance public understanding of the law,” he wrote. “Chief Justice Earl Warren illustrated the power of a judicial decision as a teaching tool in Brown v. Board of Education, the great school desegregation case. His unanimous opinion on the most pressing issue of the era was a mere 11 pages — short enough that newspapers could publish all or almost all of it and every citizen could understand the court’s rationale. Today, federal courts post their opinions online, giving the public instant access to the reasoning behind the judgments that affect their lives.”

Current Supreme Court decisions in major cases are much longer than the ruling in Brown. Citizens United, the 2010 campaign finance decision, was 176 pages long, with roughly the same number of words as “The Great Gatsby.”

Chief Justice Roberts praised the many educational programs offered by federal courts across the nation in which students are invited to visit courthouses. He did not address the role that camera coverage of arguments at the Supreme Court, currently forbidden, could play in civics education.

The chief justice singled out, but did not name, a colleague, praising his exemplary educational work. “As just one example,” Chief Justice Roberts wrote, “the current chief judge of the District of Columbia Circuit has, over the past two decades, quietly volunteered as a tutor at a local elementary school, inspiring his court colleagues to join in the effort.”

That judge is Merrick B. Garland, who was nominated to the Supreme Court by President Barack Obama in 2016 but denied a hearing by Senate Republicans. Mr. Trump appointed Justice Neil M. Gorsuch to fill the vacancy.
Back to top
 

ॐ May Much LOVE and CHRISTS LIGHT be upon and within us all.... namasté ▲ - : )  ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯
it_is_the_light it_is_the_light Christ+Light Christ+Light  
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 60350
Here
Gender: male
Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #363 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 5:18pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 2:36pm:


I pointed this all out well before the media caught on. You are still playing catch up and failing badly. nothing you said isn't in my first post or what I posted 2 weeks ago.

I have to say that this is a p1ss weak apology
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jan 3rd, 2020 at 5:35pm by Dnarever »  
 
IP Logged
 
cods
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 88048
Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #364 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 6:47pm
 
so when does Congress get back to work?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Rider
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2669
OnTheRoad
Gender: male
Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #365 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 7:32pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 6:47pm:
so when does Congress get back to work?


Monday. Unless they call in sick... Or better still.... The dog ate my articles of impeachment....
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
it_is_the_light
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Christ Light

Posts: 41434
The Pyramid of LIGHT
Gender: male
Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #366 - Jan 4th, 2020 at 7:17pm
 


McConnell Vows Never to Let Pelosi Influence Trump's Senate Impeachment Trial
Back to top
 

ॐ May Much LOVE and CHRISTS LIGHT be upon and within us all.... namasté ▲ - : )  ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯
it_is_the_light it_is_the_light Christ+Light Christ+Light  
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 60350
Here
Gender: male
Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #367 - Jan 4th, 2020 at 8:12pm
 
H.R.Puff N Stuff builds his case on part truth mixed with mistruth.

So much wrong with his mish mash or incorrect statements there is no point even starting.

At the moment have to wonder what this idiot is jabbering about.

Quote:
Fair according to them is Trump being removed.


Well the truth is that they want a trial with some witnesses and the documentation that they are meant to have available. The information needed to make an informed ruling. This only came after McConnell loudly announcing that he intended to run a farce non trial in the senate. McConnell has made a joke of the constitution, Clearly in breach of the constitution and his oath of office and clearly announced his intention to breach of his oath to impeachment.

He is eligible to be impeached himself.

The Andre the Giant of the senate - Yes please Andrei died of heart failure at half McConnell's age. McConnell is more like Pee Wee the Weed of the senate. Proven dishonest no respect for the constitution corrupt and clearly his oath of office means less than nothing.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
it_is_the_light
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Christ Light

Posts: 41434
The Pyramid of LIGHT
Gender: male
Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #368 - Jan 6th, 2020 at 8:21am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 10:02am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:57am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:26am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:23am:
I told you that as soon as I looked at the wording in the constitution. Why listen to this idiot who has no idea what he is talking about on this topic and is flat out wrong or lying about other things.

This B J Wanker or whatever his name is even missed out on telling you about one of the most critical problems with running the senate trial without the papers, the reason that they are not allowed to do it.

I suspect he didn't tell you because he doesn't know what he is talking about - though that normally doesn't stop him with other things.

Good old H R puff N Stuff does not know that Senate rules make it essential for the papers to be received by the senate before an trial can take place. The senate can change those rules but it is a time consuming process.


As usual you did not read the article sited in Politico ..

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2020/01/02/why-holding-the-impeach...

Try and read then comment , you will look less foolish and ignorant ,

Yet either way be at peace  Smiley


Digging the hole deeper does not assist your cause - Having 2 sources that left out or do not know that the senate has its own rules makes the error or omission no better. Here is the senate Rules that also need bo considered.

Fact is that the senate have their own rules which are dependant on the house delivering the impeachment articles to allow a trial to commence. They can change this given time and effort.

You were wrong before - now you are more wrong.

Quote:
RULES OF PROCEDURE AND PRACTICE IN
THE SENATE WHEN SITTING ON IMPEACHMENT TRIALS

[Revised pursuant to S. Res. 479, 99–2, Aug. 16, 1986]

I.
Whensoever the Senate shall receive notice from the 170
House of Representatives that managers are appointed on their part to conduct an impeachment against any person and are directed to carry articles of impeachment to the Senate, the Secretary of the Senate shall immediately inform the House of Representatives that the Senate is ready to receive the managers for the purpose of exhibiting such articles of impeachment,
agreeably to such notice........


III. Upon such articles being presented to the Senate, 172 the Senate shall, at 1 o’clock afternoon of the day (Sunday excepted) following such presentation, or sooner if ordered by the Senate, proceed to the consideration of such articles and shall continue in session from day to day (Sundays
excepted) after the trial shall commence
(unless otherwise ordered by the Senate) until final judgment shall be rendered, and so much longer as may, in its judgment, be needful. Before proceeding to the consideration of the articles of impeachment



This scribble is saved and will be rubbed in your face very soon  Smiley


you simply can't see whats happening can you puddleduck ..  Smiley

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/top-republican-suggests-changing-senate-...

Top Republican suggests changing Senate rules to begin Trump impeachment trial within days




Graham urges impeachment rule change as Schiff says McConnell is 'in cahoots' with Trump
Back to top
 

ॐ May Much LOVE and CHRISTS LIGHT be upon and within us all.... namasté ▲ - : )  ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯
it_is_the_light it_is_the_light Christ+Light Christ+Light  
IP Logged
 
it_is_the_light
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Christ Light

Posts: 41434
The Pyramid of LIGHT
Gender: male
Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #369 - Jan 6th, 2020 at 8:31am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:57am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:26am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:23am:
I told you that as soon as I looked at the wording in the constitution. Why listen to this idiot who has no idea what he is talking about on this topic and is flat out wrong or lying about other things.

This B J Wanker or whatever his name is even missed out on telling you about one of the most critical problems with running the senate trial without the papers, the reason that they are not allowed to do it.

I suspect he didn't tell you because he doesn't know what he is talking about - though that normally doesn't stop him with other things.

Good old H R puff N Stuff does not know that Senate rules make it essential for the papers to be received by the senate before an trial can take place. The senate can change those rules but it is a time consuming process.


As usual you did not read the article sited in Politico ..


https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2020/01/02/why-holding-the-impeach...

1. Try and read then comment , you will look less foolish and ignorant ,

Yet either way be at peace  Smiley


Digging the hole deeper does not assist your cause - Having 2 sources that left out or do not know that the senate has its own rules makes the error or omission no better. Here is the senate Rules that also need bo considered.

Fact is that the senate have their own rules which are dependant on the house delivering the impeachment articles to allow a trial to commence. They can change this given time and effort.

You were wrong before - now you are more wrong.

Quote:
RULES OF PROCEDURE AND PRACTICE IN
THE SENATE WHEN SITTING ON IMPEACHMENT TRIALS

[Revised pursuant to S. Res. 479, 99–2, Aug. 16, 1986]

I.
Whensoever the Senate shall receive notice from the 170
House of Representatives that managers are appointed on their part to conduct an impeachment against any person and are directed to carry articles of impeachment to the Senate, the Secretary of the Senate shall immediately inform the House of Representatives that the Senate is ready to receive the managers for the purpose of exhibiting such articles of impeachment,
agreeably to such notice........


III. Upon such articles being presented to the Senate, 172 the Senate shall, at 1 o’clock afternoon of the day (Sunday excepted) following such presentation, or sooner if ordered by the Senate, proceed to the consideration of such articles and shall continue in session from day to day (Sundays
excepted) after the trial shall commence
(unless otherwise ordered by the Senate) until final judgment shall be rendered, and so much longer as may, in its judgment, be needful. Before proceeding to the consideration of the articles of impeachment



so lets see how out of his depth Puddleduck is ..

you didn't listen back then .. will you now apologize for being incorrect and ignorant ???

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/top-republican-suggests-changing-senate-...

Top Republican suggests changing Senate rules to begin Trump impeachment trial within days




Graham urges impeachment rule change as Schiff says McConnell is 'in cahoots' with Trump
Back to top
 

ॐ May Much LOVE and CHRISTS LIGHT be upon and within us all.... namasté ▲ - : )  ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯
it_is_the_light it_is_the_light Christ+Light Christ+Light  
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 146298
Gender: male
Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #370 - Jan 6th, 2020 at 8:35am
 
Rider wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 7:32pm:
cods wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 6:47pm:
so when does Congress get back to work?


Monday. Unless they call in sick... Or better still.... The dog ate my articles of impeachment....


They could ask their fathers to pay off a doctor to say they have bone spurs.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
it_is_the_light
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Christ Light

Posts: 41434
The Pyramid of LIGHT
Gender: male
Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #371 - Jan 6th, 2020 at 8:36am
 
you obviously cannot read puddleduck ,

so H.A.Goodman reads the article here for you




McConnell Starting Trump's Senate Impeachment Trial in Days Without Articles from Pelosi
Back to top
 

ॐ May Much LOVE and CHRISTS LIGHT be upon and within us all.... namasté ▲ - : )  ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯
it_is_the_light it_is_the_light Christ+Light Christ+Light  
IP Logged
 
cods
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 88048
Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #372 - Jan 6th, 2020 at 9:02am
 
Rider wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 7:32pm:
cods wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 6:47pm:
so when does Congress get back to work?


Monday. Unless they call in sick... Or better still.... The dog ate my articles of impeachment....




the way this is panning out anything is possible....this once MIGHTY Country   has fallen into a pattern of self destruction     the Iranians and Russians must be peeing their pants watching it all unfold...

you didnt have to love or hate Amerika... but it did always have respect....UNTIL!!!!!!!!!
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Panther
Gold Member
*****
Offline


My Heart beats True for
the Red White & Blue...

Posts: 11758
Gender: male
Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #373 - Jan 6th, 2020 at 9:08am
 
..


Graham gives Pelosi Ultimatum.....


Proposes Senate rule change to remove her from the impeachment process



...



Source (link):      
FOX NEWS
       Quote:
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., insists that if House Speaker Nancy Pelosi does not deliver articles of impeachment against President Trump to the Senate by the end of the week, the Senate should "take matters into our own hands."


Graham accused Pelosi of playing political games and trying to exert control over the Senate trial by keeping it from starting. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., recognized Friday on the Senate floor the chamber's rules prevented him from doing anything until Pelosi does her part, but Graham proposed a solution that could remove what McConnell has called an "impasse" in the process.

"What I would do, if she continues to refuse to send the articles as required by the Constitution, I would work with Senator McConnell to change the rules of the Senate so we could start the trial without her, if necessary," Graham proposed.

When asked how long he would wait before taking this step, Graham replied, “Days, not weeks.”

Graham justified this by claiming that Pelosi was engaging in a "political stunt" by holding off on sending the impeachment articles to the Senate, weeks after they were approved by a House vote. He said McConnell would not let her dictate how events unfold.

"Well, we’re not going to let Nancy Pelosi use the rules of the Senate to her advantage. This is dangerous to the presidency as an institution," Graham said. "They impeached the president, but the speaker of the House is holding the articles back, trying to extort from the majority leader of the Senate a trial to her liking. They’re trying to hold these articles over the head of the president.”

Graham laid out how he would expect the trial to go, allowing both sides to present arguments before determining whether witnesses were needed.

"We’ll use the Clinton model, where you take the record established in the House, let the House managers appointed by Pelosi make the argument, let the president make his argument why the two articles are flawed, and then we’ll decide whether we want witnesses. But this should be done in a couple of weeks," he said.

Graham expressed hope that the Senate could conclude the impeachment trial before the end of January, but reiterated that this may require the Senate to push Pelosi out of the equation.

“If we don’t get the articles this week, then we need to take matters in our own hands and change the rules, deem them to be delivered to the Senate so we can start the trial, invite the House over to participate if they would like," he said. 'If they don’t come, dismiss the case and get on with governing the country.”



Take the ole wench down.....tell her if she wants to join the process, she's welcome, but if she plays "games" they will bar her, & start the Senate Process without her crusty, skank ass......

Pelosi's day in the limelight is over, her job in the process is finished....

The United States Senate will define the process from here-on-out......







..
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jan 6th, 2020 at 9:27am by Panther »  

"When the People fear government there is Tyranny;
When government fears the People there is Freedom & Liberty!"

'
Live FREE or DIE!
'
 
IP Logged
 
cods
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 88048
Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #374 - Jan 6th, 2020 at 9:15am
 
will the AMERIKANS ever know how much this is costing them????....so much for being concerned about Health and Law and Order  guns..... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 ... 23 24 25 26 27 ... 54
Send Topic Print