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Reply #300 - Dec 21^st, 2019 at 8:46am

https://www.westernjournal.com/nancy-pelosi-says-delay-sending-impeachment-senat...

Nancy Pelosi Says She'll Delay Sending Impeachment to Senate Until a 'Fair' Trial Can Occur

By Randy DeSoto
Published December 19, 2019 at 12:25pm

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested on Wednesday she will not send articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump to the Senate until she is satisfied there will be a “fair” trial.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell responded to the possible delay on Thursday, saying the Democrats may be “too afraid to even transmit their shoddy work product to the Senate.”

Pelosi had told reporters at a news conference just moments after the House voted to impeach Trump, “So far we haven’t seen anything that looks fair to us.”

“That would’ve been our intention,” she said, referring to sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate.

“But we’ll see what happens over there.”

Politico reported, “Senior Democratic aides said the House was ‘very unlikely’ to take the steps necessary to send the articles to the Senate until at least early January, a delay of at least two weeks and perhaps longer.”

As a news conference Thursday on Capitol Hill, Pelosi was asked, “Do you run the risk, as some Republicans have said, of looking like you’re playing games with impeachment if you hold on to these articles for too long?”

Asked if House Democrats risk giving Republicans grounds for criticism if they take too long to deliver articles of impeachment to the Senate, Speaker Nancy Pelosi replies, “Frankly, I don’t care what the Republicans say.” https://t.co/Y1Sj5wefty pic.twitter.com/LOfwJYrnAT

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The speaker replied that Democrats do not know the “arena” they will be facing in a Senate trial, so she is not yet prepared to name the House managers who will argue the case in the Senate.

Until she knows what form the trial will take, she will not take up legislation to fund it and transmit the articles of impeachment.

“Frankly, I don’t care what the Republicans say,” Pelosi said, before shutting down further questioning on impeachment.

Speaking from the Senate floor on Thursday morning, McConnell addressed the possible non-transmission of the articles, saying, “Looks like the prosecutors are getting cold feet in front of the entire country and second-guessing whether they even want to go to trial.”

“They said impeachment was so urgent that it could not even wait for due process but now they’re content to sit on their hands. This is really comical,” he added.

On Tuesday, McConnell responded to Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer’s demand for four new witnesses to appear at a Senate trial, saying the Senate will not do the House’s “homework” for them.

“He wants to volunteer the Senate’s time and energy on a fishing expedition to see whether his own ideas could make Chairman Schiff’s sloppy work more persuasive than Chairman Schiff himself bothered to make it,” McConnell said.

The majority leader further pointed out, “If House Democrats’ case is this deficient, this thin, the answer is not for the judge and jury to cure it over here in the Senate, the answer is the House should not impeach on this basis in the first place.”

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #305 - Dec 21^st, 2019 at 10:30am

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/giancarlo-canaparo-pelosi-cant-stop-trumps-trial...

GianCarlo Canaparo: Pelosi powerless to delay Trump impeachment trial if Senate does THIS

By GianCarlo Canaparo | Fox News

Now that the House has impeached President Trump, all eyes turn to the Senate. According to Article 1 of the Constitution, what happens next is a trial there to determine if the president should be removed from office.

But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has thrown a wrench into that constitutional process by announcing that she will most likely not send the articles of impeachment to the Senate until she is satisfied that the Senate will conduct what she determines to be a “fair” trial.

The word “unprecedented” gets thrown about in Washington all the time, but this really is something else.

Can Pelosi do that? Is the impeachment process truly on hold until Pelosi decides to transmit the articles to the Senate?

Let’s start with the Constitution. Article 1, Section 2 states that the House “shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.” Section 3 states that the Senate “shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.”

Critically, there is no mention of procedure here. So where does this supposed transmittal requirement come from? The answer is the Senate’s own rules. Specifically, its rules governing impeachment procedure.

The first rule of impeachment procedure states that the Senate will not act on an impeachment until the House sends to the Senate its appointed “managers”— the representatives who will act as the lawyers during the impeachment trial. After the House has presented its managers to the Senate, then the Senate takes the reins and launches its trial.

So can Pelosi delay an impeachment trial? Yes, as long as the Senate doesn’t change its current rules. But there’s absolutely nothing stopping it from changing this rule, and the Senate should change the rule to prevent this sort of gamesmanship.

The Senate should not let Pelosi interfere with its constitutional obligations and its independence in this way.

Impeachment of the president shakes the nation to its core, and when, as here, it’s done in a nakedly partisan way, it divides the country and damages our constitutional framework. It needs to be over as quickly as possible.

So the Senate should change its impeachment rules as follows: once the House has impeached the president, the Senate shall set a date for trial and shall set a deadline for the House to present its managers to the Senate. If the House fails to meet that deadline, the Senate will either dismiss the articles of impeachment for lack of prosecution or, better yet, vote on the articles immediately in light of the evidence presented to it — in this case, no evidence.

Having set this boulder rolling, House Democrats should not be allowed now to hold it up. They started this process. It’s up to the Senate to finish it on its terms alone. Not Pelosi’s.

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Pro Tip - The Senate is About to Change The Rules

Mitch McConnel To Acquit Trump Without Articles of Impeachment by Changing Senate Rules

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #311 - Dec 21^st, 2019 at 7:14pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 21^st, 2019 at 10:30am:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/giancarlo-canaparo-pelosi-cant-stop-trumps-trial...

GianCarlo Canaparo: Pelosi powerless to delay Trump impeachment trial if Senate does THIS

By GianCarlo Canaparo | Fox News

https://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2019/12/19/93...

Now that the House has impeached President Trump, all eyes turn to the Senate. According to Article 1 of the Constitution, what happens next is a trial there to determine if the president should be removed from office.

But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has thrown a wrench into that constitutional process by announcing that she will most likely not send the articles of impeachment to the Senate until she is satisfied that the Senate will conduct what she determines to be a “fair” trial.

The word “unprecedented” gets thrown about in Washington all the time, but this really is something else.

Can Pelosi do that? Is the impeachment process truly on hold until Pelosi decides to transmit the articles to the Senate?

Let’s start with the Constitution. Article 1, Section 2 states that the House “shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.” Section 3 states that the Senate “shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.”

Critically, there is no mention of procedure here. So where does this supposed transmittal requirement come from? The answer is the Senate’s own rules. Specifically, its rules governing impeachment procedure.

The first rule of impeachment procedure states that the Senate will not act on an impeachment until the House sends to the Senate its appointed “managers”— the representatives who will act as the lawyers during the impeachment trial. After the House has presented its managers to the Senate, then the Senate takes the reins and launches its trial.

So can Pelosi delay an impeachment trial? Yes, as long as the Senate doesn’t change its current rules. But there’s absolutely nothing stopping it from changing this rule, and the Senate should change the rule to prevent this sort of gamesmanship.

The Senate should not let Pelosi interfere with its constitutional obligations and its independence in this way.

Impeachment of the president shakes the nation to its core, and when, as here, it’s done in a nakedly partisan way, it divides the country and damages our constitutional framework. It needs to be over as quickly as possible.

So the Senate should change its impeachment rules as follows: once the House has impeached the president, the Senate shall set a date for trial and shall set a deadline for the House to present its managers to the Senate. If the House fails to meet that deadline, the Senate will either dismiss the articles of impeachment for lack of prosecution or, better yet, vote on the articles immediately in light of the evidence presented to it — in this case, no evidence.

Having set this boulder rolling, House Democrats should not be allowed now to hold it up. They started this process. It’s up to the Senate to finish it on its terms alone. Not Pelosi’s.

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Pro Tip - The Senate is About to Change The Rules

Mitch McConnel To Acquit Trump Without Articles of Impeachment by Changing Senate Rules

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and the Senate should change the rule to prevent this sort of gamesmanship.

Trying to make the senate act as expected in the constitution and to not be a corrupt rubber stamp used to excuse the presidents crimes without a competent trial is hardly a matter of gamesmanship.

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It needs to be over as quickly as possible.

By the same hypocrites who are simultaneously claiming that it has been a rush job, can they have it both ways ?

The only reason for delay in this is to achieve a fair and reasonable trial process as expected by the constitution. The reason for the perceived need of change here is to allow the process to be corrupted to produce a non trial in order to rubber stamp a pass for Trump.

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #312 - Dec 21^st, 2019 at 7:19pm

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........... But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has thrown a wrench into that constitutional process by announcing that she will most likely not send the articles of impeachment to the Senate until she is satisfied that the Senate will conduct what she determines to be a “fair” trial. ........

Shows to me the democrats dawdle, are slothful and incapable of achieving anything that will benefit America.

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #313 - Dec 21^st, 2019 at 7:21pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 21^st, 2019 at 7:19pm:

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........... But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has thrown a wrench into that constitutional process by announcing that she will most likely not send the articles of impeachment to the Senate until she is satisfied that the Senate will conduct what she determines to be a “fair” trial. ........

Shows to me the democrats dawdle, are slothful and incapable of achieving anything that will benefit America.

Removing the alleged child rapist from the White House will not only benefit America - it will benefit most of the world.

Not Russia or Saudi Arabia, obviously.

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