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Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:05am
 
The Lunatic Extremist Greenies are getting desperate as nobody takes any notice of their Climate Change SCAM anymore and they SO want to get people interested in their ridiculous UN One World Socialist "Govt" in a sustainable world farce and so they make even more extreme unsustainable false claims of the world ending etc. to try to get people's attention including exploiting a screeching hysterical sheila.

The interesting thing is their One World Govt requires about 6 billion surplus population to be exterminated as described in the UN AGENDA 2030.



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Doomsday poll shrinks 25%: Now just 11,000 MeToo scientists say “panic now”. 11,000 unskeptical scientists sign for a climate emergency.
November 6th, 2019

Who remembers that 15,000 scientists signed some climate declaration in 2017? The same Prof Ripple, and Bioscience probably hope you don’t, because two years later there is the same rehashed, but with only 11,000 signatories.

So 4,000 disappeared without a trace. There are however, the same comic indefendable graphs. Call it “extreme graphing” — every line needs to be diagonal. All “pauses” are disappearing. No fallacy remains unbroken.

To stop storms we apparently need to reduce the global population, stop mining “excessive” minerals, eat more veges,  and we need to preserve biodiversity, reefs, forests and greenery at whatever it was in 1685 or whenever the sacred preindustrial year of Life On Earth is declared. You know the drill — coal and oil are demon spirits. Exorcise them now! Then rinse, repeat and …hand-wash your undies.

This is panic-science: hold the error bars, hide the adjustments and heap on the hype.

Climate crisis: 11,000 scientists warn of ‘untold suffering’
Damian Carrington, The Guardian

The world’s people face “untold suffering due to the climate crisis” unless there are major transformations to global society, according to a stark warning from more than 11,000 scientists.

“We declare clearly and unequivocally that planet Earth is facing a climate emergency,” it states. “To secure a sustainable future, we must change how we live. [This] entails major transformations in the ways our global society functions and interacts with natural ecosystems.”

There is no time to lose, the scientists say: “The climate crisis has arrived and is accelerating faster than most scientists expected. It is more severe than anticipated, threatening natural ecosystems and the fate of humanity.”

It’s not peer reviewed, but for the first time in history, The Guardian and The ABC don’t care. It‘s published in the journal BioScience. That’ll do.

Signs of catastrophe
Pack up your tea-leaves, here are the 21st century signs of the 6th mass extinction. Who knew — per capita meat production is a new signal of doom. And air transport is not an engineering feat but inherently extinct-ifying. Here’s their introduction to this graph:

Since 1992, with the exception of stabilizing the stratospheric ozone layer, humanity has failed to make sufficient progress in generally solving these foreseen environmental challenges, and alarmingly, most of them are getting far worse (figure 1, file S1).

Especially troubling is the current trajectory of potentially catastrophic climate change due to rising GHGs from burning fossil fuels (Hansen et al. 2013), deforestation (Keenan et al. 2015), and agricultural production—particularly from farming ruminants for meat consumption (Ripple et al. 2014).

Moreover, we have unleashed a mass extinction event, the sixth in roughly 540 million years, wherein many current life forms could be annihilated or at least committed to extinction by the end of this century.

Read the rest of this debunking of another Climate Change HOAX fake news debacle here.

http://joannenova.com.au/2019/11/doomsday-poll-shrinks-now-just-11000-metoo-scie...
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Reply #1 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:17am
 
It gets even more ridiculous as Micky Mouse and Daffy Duck and etc all sign the FAKE PETITION. Wonder if any dead people signed it ?

This is all jolly fun. But maybe there really is a climate emergency. And it is not all a lefty inspired hoax designed to export Australian jobs to SE Asia. - why would they want to do that anyway?

Looks like a mirror reflection of the 'climate emergency' hysteria.  If one chooses to believe it - one might as well believe that Mickey Mouse and Albus Dumbledore are real.

This exercise is so stupid that only the intellectuals from the ABC and Sydney Uni would believe it.  Take a look at Jo Nova's website where she shreds it.




Scientists’ petition on climate crisis blocked over fake signatories
GRAHAM LLOYD 6:42PM NOVEMBER 7, 2019

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Mickey Mouse was a signatory on the climate crisis petition. Picture: AAP.

Dozens of signatories including Mickey Mouse and Harry Potter headmaster Albus Dumbledore from Hogwarts have been ­removed from an Alliance of World Scientists declaration of a “climate emergency”.

Access to the 11,000 name-petition that accompanied a statement of concern published in BioScience on Tuesday was blocked on Thursday.

A statement issued by ­Oregon State University said “an administrative error unfortunately saw the inclusion of a small number of invalid names”.

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READ MORE: Scientists links ‘climate crisis’ to wealthy populations | IAG report warns of climate change effects | US formally announces Paris withdrawal | Why global warming may have slowed

“We have to date removed 34 names from the original list, most of which were duplicates.”

Concern about the petition, which was heavily promoted internationally as a call for action on climate change, was sparked by questions about some of its celebrity signatories.

Mickey Mouse from the Mickey Mouse School of the Blind, Namibia made it through onto an official list published along with the BioScience article.

After the statement had been submitted to the journal, claiming the support of 11,000 world scientists, Mickey was joined on the list by Albus Dumbledore, Headmaster of Hogwarts.

The first signature on the online list was Araminta Aadvark, professor of Zoology at Univer­sity of Neasden, UK.

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Neasden University is believed to be a fictitious university promoted by the British satirical magazine Private Eye that was printed in Neasden.

The climate emergency statement included authors from University of Sydney and ­Oregon State University.

Sydney University said on Thursday the petition was being managed by Oregon State.

An online link to the petition on Thursday said “access ­denied” and “you are not allowed access to this page”.

The page was later changed to “Viewing signatures is currently unavailable. We are working on the issue.”

The Alliance of World Scientists claims to have 23,000 members from 180 countries.

The paper published in BioScience warned that “untold human suffering” is unavoidable without deep and lasting shifts in human activities that contribute to greenhouse gas emissions and other factors related to climate change.

It said mitigating and adapting to climate change meant “transforming the ways we govern, manage, eat, and fulfil material and energy requirements”.

The scientists said global surface temperatures were not sufficient to measure climate change that should be tracked by a scorecard of population, meat consumption, forest loss and the use of air transport.

The statement has been lauded by science groups as significant.

Despite the suspension of the petition and removal of names, Oregon State said the “weight of support” from the world’s scientific community for the declaration remained undiminished.

But consulting geologist Marc Hendrickx, who highlighted the errant signatures, said “legitimate researchers passionate about the scientific method do not do ­science by social media”.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/science/scientists-petition-on-climate-crisis-b...
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Reply #2 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:56am
 
We've  had record cold temperatures in Victoria
for the last few days.
Today is the coldest November day since 2007.
There is snow in the alps.
Check out Mt  Baw Baw.
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Reply #3 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:08am
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:56am:
We've  had record cold temperatures in Victoria
for the last few days.
Today is the coldest November day since 2007.
There is snow in the alps.
Check out Mt  Baw Baw.


Thanks for the weather update, Bobby.

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Reply #4 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:41am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:08am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:56am:
We've  had record cold temperatures in Victoria
for the last few days.
Today is the coldest November day since 2007.
There is snow in the alps.
Check out Mt  Baw Baw.


Thanks for the weather update, Bobby.



Hi Greggy,
it's interesting that with all the global
warming we're having record cold.

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Reply #5 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:07pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:41am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:08am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:56am:
We've  had record cold temperatures in Victoria
for the last few days.
Today is the coldest November day since 2007.
There is snow in the alps.
Check out Mt  Baw Baw.


Thanks for the weather update, Bobby.



Hi Greggy,
it's interesting that with all the global
warming we're having record cold.



Record since when?

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Reply #6 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:09pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:41am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:08am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:56am:
We've  had record cold temperatures in Victoria
for the last few days.
Today is the coldest November day since 2007.
There is snow in the alps.
Check out Mt  Baw Baw.


Thanks for the weather update, Bobby.



Hi Greggy,
it's interesting that with all the global
warming we're having record cold.



Record since when?



2007

It was on channel 7 news this morning.

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Reply #7 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:19pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:41am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:08am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:56am:
We've  had record cold temperatures in Victoria
for the last few days.
Today is the coldest November day since 2007.
There is snow in the alps.
Check out Mt  Baw Baw.


Thanks for the weather update, Bobby.



Hi Greggy,
it's interesting that with all the global
warming we're having record cold.



Record since when?



2007

It was on channel 7 news this morning.



12 years?

I think that's called weather, Bobby.

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Reply #8 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:34pm
 
Trying to discuss something with crotchety old Gweggy is like talking to a brick wall.

It is easy to see why Bill Shorten was so attracted to the Greeny's junk policies as they are both lying frauds.



Now for a really heavy shattering of the lying Greeny frauds FAKE NEWS rubbish - sounds like silly old Gweggy!!!


11,000 Scientists Sign Climate Paper Without Fact Checking Cites - Carbon Tax Mistake - And Uncited Claim About Fate Of Humanity
By Robert Walker | November 6th 2019 08:08 PM | Print | E-mail
   
This is not a systematic review by climate scientists like the IPCC, it's just a paper in the form of a letter and those 11,000 people are signatories, not reviewers or co-authors. They have nothing to do with writing it, weren't reviewers, and haven’t commented on it or corrected it. All they did is sign it. They don't say why they signed it.

The language is vague and imprecise, e.g. “uninhabitable” is not defined and not cited to any other source that defines it. If you think the term is clear, have a try at defining it yourself right now, before we get to a detailed discussion of it.

It has only one section number cite to the IPCC. It says a carbon tax “much higher” than $15.25 is needed.

The actual example figure for a carbon tax in that section is $7 (when combined with a ban on new coal-based power plants and dedicated policies for renewables and electric vehicles). The higher "carbon prices" given in that section are not intended for use as carbon taxes, and the section explains the distinction (I go into this in detail below).

Its other IPCC cites are to complete reports instead of by section number making it impossible to know which section they are meant to refer to if any.

Read the rest of this exposing the Greenies as nothing more than lying frauds trying to promote the UN One World Socialist "Govt" in a Sustainable World here

https://www.science20.com/robert_walker/11000_scientists_signing_climate_paper_d...
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Reply #9 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:50pm
 
Now read about the utter lying bulldust about temperatures in Australian sprouted by the lying Greeny trash here


http://joannenova.com.au/tag/australian-temperatures/
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juliar wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:34pm:
Read the rest of this exposing the Greenies as nothing more than lying frauds trying to promote the UN One World Socialist "Govt" in a Sustainable World here[/highlight]


juliar wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:50pm:
Now read about the utter lying bulldust about temperatures in Australian sprouted by the lying Greeny trash here


Oh yes. When you don't have any genuine arguments use the old "conspiracy theory" mantra

So the Bureau of Meteorology, NASA, The Met office and countless other scientific organisations are committing fraud by falsifying data according to some internet blogger.

But given that the worlds receding glaciers are undeniable proof that the earth is warming, why would they need to put their careers at risk by falsifying data?

That's the problem with conspiracy theories. They don't stand up to rational thought
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The oligarchy run the United Nations through the world bank.

Everything the United Nations is doing or has done lately like

1.SSM

2. Transgender agenda

3. Land management - agenda 21

4.  Climate Change

5. and others

Is the will and wishes  of the oligarchy.
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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
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The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 10:01am:
So the Bureau of Meteorology, NASA, The Met office and countless other scientific organisations are committing fraud by falsifying data according to some internet blogger.



So tell us what difference in Temperature between a 230Litre Stevenson Screen and a 60litre Stevenson Screen. And of course they are now plastic, some have a black interior, and the new AWS using thermocouples read every 10 seconds far slower than the old mercury in glass. Together of course with lack of maintenace and repainting the boxes.

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 10:01am:
But given that the worlds receding glaciers are undeniable proof that the earth is warming, why would they need to put their careers at risk by falsifying data?


So sad that glaciers are retreating in some areas. One would think they were not a dynamic part of the biosphere. Have never retreated before. Must be stable or only increasing. Wink

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Ajax wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:53pm:
The oligarchy run the United Nations through the world bank.

Everything the United Nations is doing or has done lately like

1.SSM

2. Transgender agenda

3. Land management - agenda 21

4.  Climate Change

5. and others

Is the will and wishes  of the oligarchy.



Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
I rest my case
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lee wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 4:55pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 10:01am:
So the Bureau of Meteorology, NASA, The Met office and countless other scientific organisations are committing fraud by falsifying data according to some internet blogger.



So tell us what difference in Temperature between a 230Litre Stevenson Screen and a 60litre Stevenson Screen. And of course they are now plastic, some have a black interior, and the new AWS using thermocouples read every 10 seconds far slower than the old mercury in glass. Together of course with lack of maintenace and repainting the boxes.



lee up to his old trick of demanding answers to his questions to divert the fact that the onus of evidence is on him.

As you would expect, scientists have done lots of studies on Stevenson screens. This is to be expected as the screens will no doubt have changed over the 130 odd years of records and over the thousands of locations. The Stevenson screens are one of the reasons that the raw data needs to be homogenized (although the deniers don't like that either, damned if you do, damned if you don't  Wink ) 

Once again, I have trust in actual scientists research on Stevenson screens rather than some internet blogger desperately trying to create doubt and confusion.

Here is just one study on Stevenson Screens by the Royal Meteorological Society.

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/wea.2166
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Reply #16 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 1:42pm
 
The old unthinking Green tinged Lefties hate to see their treasured beliefs shattered by the TRUTH. it makes them feel so silly and vulnerable.

Well any gullible naive joker who lets himself be conned by the lying Greeny frauds better get used to it as the Greeny dung hill of smelly lies and assorted fraudulent rubbish is being carted off to the tip.

The Global Warming HOAX aka the Climate Change SCAM is now well recognised as a fraudulent fabrication by the Greeny lowlifes and its SOLE purpose is to try to promote the UN One World Socialist "Govt" in a Sustainable World and the Greeny frauds are trying to do it with scare tactics like saying rubbish like the world is going to end!!!! Armageddon is upon us!!! repent while there is still time!!!! etc.

But there are so many holes in the lying Greenies' sieve of lies they are now seen as nothing but a bunch of demented LUNATIC EXTREMIST LOONIES.

The Greenies have destroyed their fragile credibility with stupid childish rubbish like disrupting society by gluing themselves to the road etc.

The stupid Greenies have engineered their own downfall. Then there is barely one complete brain amongst the whole lot of them!!!!!
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The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 10:39am:
lee up to his old trick of demanding answers to his questions to divert the fact that the onus of evidence is on him.



oh dear. Poor barney has nothing. He doesn't want to know. Grin Grin Grin

" The results show that the medium‐sized Stevenson screen tended to overheat daily maximum air temperatures (0.54 °C on yearly average) and also air temperatures recorded at 1300 UTC. The differences on daily minimum air temperatures were negligible (−0.11 °C on yearly average). "

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/joc.4287#joc4287-bib-0006

"Quayle et al. (1991) found that in the USA daily maxima on average decreased by 0.4 degC while minima increased by about 0.3 degC, following the widespread changes that occurred largely in the 1980s – from taking temperature measurements using liquid‐in‐glass thermometers exposed in the Cotton Region Shelter (a louvered wooden screen similar to the UK Stevenson screen) to a thermistor‐based system exposed in a cylindrical plastic shelter. They concluded that without adjustments to the data, area averages of the mean diurnal temperature range could have biases as large as 0.7 degC. "

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/wea.2166

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 10:39am:
The Stevenson screens are one of the reasons that the raw data needs to be homogenized (although the deniers don't like that either, damned if you do, damned if you don't  Wink )



So you have evidence they homogenise for Stevenson Screens or is that mere assumption? Although BoM does not keep the records. Wink

Also homogenising records from differing loctions Darwin, Wyndham as an example; is what BoM does.

But you probably have a reason for that as well. Wink

I had found that reference petal. Did you read it?
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Barny is embarrassed to discover he has been fooled by a bunch of LUNATIC EXTREMIST GREENIES peddling pure lying muck.

Barny has been SCAMMED!!!! And he feels so foolish now.
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The reports say that that the changes increase temperature in the screens.

Meanwhile BoM has reduced the old data by homogenisation. Thus making it seem warmer than it was. Wink

Edit: He still hasn't got back to us with reason for BoM making changes for statistical reasons. I guess they just plain "looked wrong".
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It is the Greenies who have weeviled their way into the BoM who are fudging the results to try to prop up their Global Warming HOAX.
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Reply #21 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 7:14am
 
Now for some FACTS.


"Global Warming is Unprecedented"
Is it really?

If global warming is indeed in some way unprecedented, then we would expect to find no match for the current global warming trend in the geological record. Let us consider just the most recent Holocene epoch - dominated by human history.

graph of climate data over the past 11000 years depicting two major Holocene Optimums
(warm periods), the Minoan Climate Optimum, the Roman Climate Optimum, the Medieval Warm Period,
and the less significant current warm period.

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Average near-surface temperatures of the northern hemisphere during the past 11,000 years compiled by David Archibald after Dansgaard et al. (1969) & Schönwiese (1995).

Looking at just the historical picture, shown in the graph above, we can see that global warming has happened many times before in human history. We've had the Minoan Warm Period, the Roman Climate Optimum, and the Medieval Warm Period in addition to the current warm period (Dansguard et al., 1968; Schönwiese, 1995; Keigwin, 1996). Note the steepness of the rise in temperature at the beginning of the Minoan warm period. This rate of warming far exceeds that of the current warm period. Huang et al. (1997) determined that the depiction of the Medieval Warm Period in this graph may be somewhat conservative. According to their study of 6000 boreholes worldwide, the global mean temperatures of the Medieval Warm Period dwarf the changes of the Twentieth Century.

The evidence shows repeatedly that global warming is not unprecedented and according to Ruddiman (2001) as well as Singer & Avery (2006), global warming is a regular cyclic phenomenon on planet Earth. In fact, the normal global mean temperature for planet earth given the Phanerozoic history, is actually 19.5 degrees Celcius; a full three degrees higher than the present mean.

http://climate.geologist-1011.net/
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lee wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 4:52pm:
The reports say that that the changes increase temperature in the screens.

Meanwhile BoM has reduced the old data by homogenisation. Thus making it seem warmer than it was. Wink

Edit: He still hasn't got back to us with reason for BoM making changes for statistical reasons. I guess they just plain "looked wrong".


Ask yourself lee, given your track record of backflips, obfuscation and deliberate deception, do I really want to waste my time debating you about Stevenson screen sizes, weather station locations and decimal places?

As much as you love trying to discredit data collected by The Bureau of Meteorology, NASA and the MET office. The temperature data is supported by a host of other evidence that the Earth is warming.

- retreating glaciers
- warming oceans
- declining Arctic Sea Ice
- More coral bleaching events

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

So the indisputable fact is that the earth is warming
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The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 10:11am:
lee wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 4:52pm:
The reports say that that the changes increase temperature in the screens.

Meanwhile BoM has reduced the old data by homogenisation. Thus making it seem warmer than it was. Wink

Edit: He still hasn't got back to us with reason for BoM making changes for statistical reasons. I guess they just plain "looked wrong".


Ask yourself lee, given your track record of backflips, obfuscation and deliberate deception, do I really want to waste my time debating you about Stevenson screen sizes, weather station locations and decimal places?

As much as you love trying to discredit data collected by The Bureau of Meteorology, NASA and the MET office. The temperature data is supported by a host of other evidence that the Earth is warming.

- retreating glaciers
- warming oceans
- declining Arctic Sea Ice
- More coral bleaching events

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

So the indisputable fact is that the earth is warming



But is that normal variation or human induced?

What about all the extreme cold weather
events all over the world?


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Reply #24 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 10:52am
 
The Greeny lying bulldust is flying out of the annoyed Barny now that his treasured notions have been shown to be just nonsense.

Standard Greeny tactics - attack the person and flood the joint with bulldust.
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Reply #25 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 11:04am
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 10:17am:
What about all the extreme cold weather
events
all over the world?



As I've told you a million times before Bobby they are weather events, nothing to do with climate
You really do look stupid by bringing this up all the time  Grin Grin


Bobby. wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 10:17am:
But is that normal variation or human induced?



The standard argument by back flippers such as lee.
When I prove that the earth is warming he states "It's just natural variation"
When I prove that human emissions of CO2 are accumulating in the atmosphere he states "but it's not warming"

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The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 10:11am:
Ask yourself lee, given your track record of backflips, obfuscation and deliberate deception, do I really want to waste my time debating you about Stevenson screen sizes, weather station locations and decimal places?



You were the one pointing to the BoM reasons for homogenization which show BoM's lowering of historical records. Now if the science says that the smaller screens are causing warming in the boxes, the answer would be to adjust the old records upwards to match the newer readings; NOT lowering them. That would also apply to UHI readings.Not that I believe in homogenisation in any way.

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 10:11am:
retreating glaciers


Yes petal. And it has so previously. Why would old Roman gold mines etc be revealed by retreating glaciers otherwise?

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 10:11am:
warming oceans


Ah yes. That one. The Argo floats that are nowhere near global coverage and XBT buoys that are thrown of the back of boats occasionally. And even then the Argo buoys don't go back that far.

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 10:11am:
More coral bleaching events


That is not part of the evidence file you posted. Wink


The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 10:11am:
So the indisputable fact is that the earth is warming



Whoever said it wasn't petal? But then again it is cooler than 2016. Wink

You still haven't given a reason for BoM to use statistics to alter temperatures. Must have been when we had a stable climate. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #27 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 2:08pm
 
For goodness sake. As more records are becoming digitised from old records, the data is duly adjusted to take account of more data points. Some data is adjusted due to more information, trying to get to a more accurate picture given the various frequency and reliability of older records.

If you were set the task to map the data since the 1860's you would do the same thing.

As more data becomes available, the figures become more representative and "rounding" and adjustments are made to account for the disparate sources of measurements.

Nothing untoward about this process at all.

They are trying to get the most accurate picture of what has been happening as is possible to do.  Cool

If you still have doubts ... just take a look at the earlier fire seasons and longer and hotter heat events over the last few decades. It should be obvious that the planet is warming.  Wink


I really don't get why you are still in denial about this.

What's the point of denying?

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Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 2:08pm:
Some data is adjusted due to more information, trying to get to a more accurate picture given the various frequency and reliability of older records.



So what you are saying they didn't know how to keep proper records on paper? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 2:08pm:
If you were set the task to map the data since the 1860's you would do the same thing.



And in Australia all that land with no measurements. Wink

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 2:08pm:
As more data becomes available, the figures become more representative and "rounding" and adjustments are made to account for the disparate sources of measurements.


One Post Office, One location for each reading. And then later One AWS, One location for each reading. Wink

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 2:08pm:
Nothing untoward about this process at all.


All things being equal. It doesn't explain the cooling of the past or the use of statistacal techniques to somehow go back in time and tweak the temperatures. The records are what they are. Once data has been adjusted it is no longer data.


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Reply #29 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 2:33pm
 
Sorry, I forgot ... it is pointless trying to discuss anything with you Lee.

Carry on.
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Reply #30 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 2:42pm
 
To be a discussion it is an interchange of ideas. So now you don't want to continue with your ideas now that I have disagreed with them? Shocked

Poor petal.
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Reply #31 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 4:06pm
 
Gosh the Greenies Barny and Capt N are tripping themselves up in their own bulldust because they don't understand a word of it and are just parroting what they have seen on the Greeny bulldust sites.

Classic Greeny tactics - attack the person and try to say everything is a personal attack with NO reference at all to the actual facts which just spoil the Greenies bulldust arguments (=lies).
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