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Re: The Simple Mathematical Facts About Jobs
Reply #15 - Oct 21st, 2019 at 11:04am  
Dnarever wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:43am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:09am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:07am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 9:52am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 7:59am:
There would be far more jobs if the government and the unions didn't make it so difficult to employ people.


What do they do that makes it difficult?



Minimum wages are the most obvious. There is always a tradeoff between increasing the minimum wage and putting people out of a job because it makes them unemployable. Everything else that unions and the government do to directly or indirectly increase the cost of employing people adds to this.


You think employers should be able to pay as little as they like?

If a company offers someone a flat rate of $5 per hour, you're okay with that?



Employers are subject to the same reality as everyone else. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.


No all companies go to the new standard and you get the exact same people on low wages today on lower wages next week.

I remember John Howard using the pay peanuts get monkeys example to justify politicians wage increases but the disprover was that no matter how much they increased the wages he never went away.



knock off the insults towards monkeys...
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Re: The Simple Mathematical Facts About Jobs
Reply #16 - Oct 21st, 2019 at 12:29pm  
BlackDay's mathematics  1 + 1 = 3 err 1 err 5 ?

Unions + employers = NO JOBS and probably no employers and import everything from China.
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Re: The Simple Mathematical Facts About Jobs
Reply #17 - Oct 21st, 2019 at 12:33pm  
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:24am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:20am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:18am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:09am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:07am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 9:52am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 7:59am:
There would be far more jobs if the government and the unions didn't make it so difficult to employ people.


What do they do that makes it difficult?



Minimum wages are the most obvious. There is always a tradeoff between increasing the minimum wage and putting people out of a job because it makes them unemployable. Everything else that unions and the government do to directly or indirectly increase the cost of employing people adds to this.


You think employers should be able to pay as little as they like?

If a company offers someone a flat rate of $5 per hour, you're okay with that?



Employers are subject to the same reality as everyone else. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.


If you were the head of the ACTU today, what would you do to make it easier for employers to hire people?



Stop all the criminal behaviour, intimidation, gouging etc would be top of the list.


Can you give a specific example, and explain how it would prevent employers from hiring people?



It increases the cost of doing business, so less business is done, so fewer jobs. It also motivates employers to find creative ways to do whatever they do using less labour from union-dominated trades. For example, by getting items pre-fabricated in China.

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You know that minimum wage movement has never produced the slightest change in the employment trend.


It is inevitable. Either the minimum wage has no effect on wages and therefor no effect on employment, or it does increase wages and decrease employment. You cannot increase the price of something without affecting the amount that is bought. Your inability to see reality is not evidence that it is not there.
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Re: The Simple Mathematical Facts About Jobs
Reply #18 - Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:30pm  
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 12:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:24am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:20am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:18am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:09am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:07am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 9:52am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 7:59am:
There would be far more jobs if the government and the unions didn't make it so difficult to employ people.


What do they do that makes it difficult?



Minimum wages are the most obvious. There is always a tradeoff between increasing the minimum wage and putting people out of a job because it makes them unemployable. Everything else that unions and the government do to directly or indirectly increase the cost of employing people adds to this.


You think employers should be able to pay as little as they like?

If a company offers someone a flat rate of $5 per hour, you're okay with that?



Employers are subject to the same reality as everyone else. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.


If you were the head of the ACTU today, what would you do to make it easier for employers to hire people?



Stop all the criminal behaviour, intimidation, gouging etc would be top of the list.


Can you give a specific example, and explain how it would prevent employers from hiring people?



It increases the cost of doing business, so less business is done, so fewer jobs. It also motivates employers to find creative ways to do whatever they do using less labour from union-dominated trades. For example, by getting items pre-fabricated in China.

Quote:
You know that minimum wage movement has never produced the slightest change in the employment trend.


It is inevitable. Either the minimum wage has no effect on wages and therefor no effect on employment, or it does increase wages and decrease employment. You cannot increase the price of something without affecting the amount that is bought. Your inability to see reality is not evidence that it is not there.

You're just making that up.
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Re: The Simple Mathematical Facts About Jobs
Reply #19 - Oct 22nd, 2019 at 12:14am  
But ScoMo is over in Indonesia even as we speak arranging massive trade deals. The Indons eat lots of our beef.

Read and be inspired here    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/10/20/trade-is-item-1-in-pm-scott-...


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The ScoMo Messiah brings HOPE to the people
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Re: The Simple Mathematical Facts About Jobs
Reply #20 - Oct 22nd, 2019 at 6:37am  
Bam wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:30pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 12:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:24am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:20am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:18am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:09am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:07am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 9:52am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 7:59am:
There would be far more jobs if the government and the unions didn't make it so difficult to employ people.


What do they do that makes it difficult?



Minimum wages are the most obvious. There is always a tradeoff between increasing the minimum wage and putting people out of a job because it makes them unemployable. Everything else that unions and the government do to directly or indirectly increase the cost of employing people adds to this.


You think employers should be able to pay as little as they like?

If a company offers someone a flat rate of $5 per hour, you're okay with that?



Employers are subject to the same reality as everyone else. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.


If you were the head of the ACTU today, what would you do to make it easier for employers to hire people?



Stop all the criminal behaviour, intimidation, gouging etc would be top of the list.


Can you give a specific example, and explain how it would prevent employers from hiring people?



It increases the cost of doing business, so less business is done, so fewer jobs. It also motivates employers to find creative ways to do whatever they do using less labour from union-dominated trades. For example, by getting items pre-fabricated in China.

Quote:
You know that minimum wage movement has never produced the slightest change in the employment trend.


It is inevitable. Either the minimum wage has no effect on wages and therefor no effect on employment, or it does increase wages and decrease employment. You cannot increase the price of something without affecting the amount that is bought. Your inability to see reality is not evidence that it is not there.

You're just making that up.

You made that up
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Re: The Simple Mathematical Facts About Jobs
Reply #21 - Oct 22nd, 2019 at 7:02am  
crocodile wrote on Oct 22nd, 2019 at 6:37am:
Bam wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:30pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 12:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:24am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:20am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:18am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:09am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:07am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 9:52am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 7:59am:
There would be far more jobs if the government and the unions didn't make it so difficult to employ people.


What do they do that makes it difficult?



Minimum wages are the most obvious. There is always a tradeoff between increasing the minimum wage and putting people out of a job because it makes them unemployable. Everything else that unions and the government do to directly or indirectly increase the cost of employing people adds to this.


You think employers should be able to pay as little as they like?

If a company offers someone a flat rate of $5 per hour, you're okay with that?



Employers are subject to the same reality as everyone else. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.


If you were the head of the ACTU today, what would you do to make it easier for employers to hire people?



Stop all the criminal behaviour, intimidation, gouging etc would be top of the list.


Can you give a specific example, and explain how it would prevent employers from hiring people?



It increases the cost of doing business, so less business is done, so fewer jobs. It also motivates employers to find creative ways to do whatever they do using less labour from union-dominated trades. For example, by getting items pre-fabricated in China.

Quote:
You know that minimum wage movement has never produced the slightest change in the employment trend.


It is inevitable. Either the minimum wage has no effect on wages and therefor no effect on employment, or it does increase wages and decrease employment. You cannot increase the price of something without affecting the amount that is bought. Your inability to see reality is not evidence that it is not there.

You're just making that up.

You made that up

The tu quoque fallacy.
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Re: The Simple Mathematical Facts About Jobs
Reply #22 - Oct 22nd, 2019 at 7:10am  
Bam wrote on Oct 22nd, 2019 at 7:02am:
crocodile wrote on Oct 22nd, 2019 at 6:37am:
Bam wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:30pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 12:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:24am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:20am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:18am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:09am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 10:07am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 9:52am:
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2019 at 7:59am:
There would be far more jobs if the government and the unions didn't make it so difficult to employ people.


What do they do that makes it difficult?



Minimum wages are the most obvious. There is always a tradeoff between increasing the minimum wage and putting people out of a job because it makes them unemployable. Everything else that unions and the government do to directly or indirectly increase the cost of employing people adds to this.


You think employers should be able to pay as little as they like?

If a company offers someone a flat rate of $5 per hour, you're okay with that?



Employers are subject to the same reality as everyone else. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.


If you were the head of the ACTU today, what would you do to make it easier for employers to hire people?



Stop all the criminal behaviour, intimidation, gouging etc would be top of the list.


Can you give a specific example, and explain how it would prevent employers from hiring people?



It increases the cost of doing business, so less business is done, so fewer jobs. It also motivates employers to find creative ways to do whatever they do using less labour from union-dominated trades. For example, by getting items pre-fabricated in China.

Quote:
You know that minimum wage movement has never produced the slightest change in the employment trend.


It is inevitable. Either the minimum wage has no effect on wages and therefor no effect on employment, or it does increase wages and decrease employment. You cannot increase the price of something without affecting the amount that is bought. Your inability to see reality is not evidence that it is not there.

You're just making that up.

You made that up

The tu quoque fallacy.

What a load of horseshit. You're the one claiming it was made up. You made it up yourself.
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Re: The Simple Mathematical Facts About Jobs
Reply #23 - Oct 22nd, 2019 at 7:39am  
The Croc is not impressed with the Socialists' "economics" which are just a downward spiral to poverty.

You see WELFARE is a wasteful and unproductive squandering of taxpayers' money for almost NO return to Govt as there is NO increase in the wealth of the economy.

Do the Socialists use Irish maths ?
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