Andrew Hall According to a recent study EVs result in much the same carbon emissions as petrol vehicles, in the Australian context. Hybrids were the best by far and make much more sense in Australia.


Pieter Blackie And it takes 3 hours to charge a Tesla 3 at 30A so the generator will use at least 10l per hour of diesel so 30l of diesel


Cusquena Farm In truth I think EV’s are the future. But not yet. The energy density of batteries simply isn’t there yet. Nor have they solved the damage done to the batteries by quick charging. I believe that one day they will dominate the market, but not yet.

They also still lack the practical range and payload for typical non urban users. (Like me. Just exactly where are those EV 4x4 utes with 3+ tonne towing capacity and 600 km range?) For now they’re good for Norway or Auckland but not outback OZ.

I’ve ridden in Tesla’s taxis in DXB and like them, they’re nice. In fact I seek them out to encourage EV culture, and quiz the operators when appropriate.

But unless you’re in a country with mostly renewable electricity generation they’re little more than an expensive, mobile virtue signal. If you can tell me you exclusively charge your EV from your own solar / wind powered charging station at home, then great. Otherwise for now I’d prefer you get your need for approval elsewhere.


Christos Fotinakos EV's great for cities and shorter distances. I'd love to see the inner-city's elites reaction to a proposed law that everyone who resides within 15km of a capital city's centres must exclusively own an EV by 2022.

They are the ones who were behind the Labor EV policy, let the law apply to them. It would help with noise and air quality in the inner-city even if it means a few greenies getting knocked over.


Tanya Van Der Kamp Absolutely ridiculous to think EV is greener. It won't be for a very very very long time if at all!

The uneducated ignoramus shows off her legendary ignorance.

juliar wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:41pm:


Yeh you are right socko. Something that doesn't yet exist can't possibly have any competition LOL

The system is catching up with the "cheap" electric toy cars.

Highway use charges or Road Tax will soon be levied on electric cars based on distance traveled.

And electricity charges are lifting to catch out the child slavery in the Congo supporting electric car owners who charge at home.

And the thrill of arriving at a public charging station and finding 4 cars in front of you and copping a charge for your charge when you eventually get there 3 hours later.

And this is just the beginning of the Hell on Wheels of owning an unsafe dangerous pollution spewing very inconvenient electric toy car.

Come on Hydrogen and save the world!!!!



PG&E Raises Costs for Electric Cars by 25%. Nobody Blinks.
Brad Templeton Nov 19, 2019, 08:00am


A time of use based electric meterMOMENT EDITORIAL/GETTY IMAGES

There’s been very little coverage of something that you might imagine would be a big change in the world of electric cars.

Northern California is definitely the world’s EV capital (outside China) with the most cars on offer and sold, and of course it is the home of Tesla. The primary electric utility there is PG&E. Recently, PG&E has mostly been in the news for turning off power to avoid starting fires, and starting them anyway.

Owners of electric vehicles (EVs) in California can and should sign up for a special EV power pricing plan. This plan offers cheaper power at night, and very expensive power in the peak part of the day in the later afternoon and evening. While all California power prices are high, the summer off-peak price of the original plan was only 1/4 of the peak price, and around half the price most customers would pay with one of the regular and non time-based plans. If you’re charging an electric car at home, it’s the obvious pick in almost all cases.

November 1, PG&E changed that off-peak price. Previously it ran about 13 cents/kwh off-peak, and as much as 48 cents/kwh on-peak. Off-peak times ran from 11pm to 7am on weekdays, and 9pm to 3pm on weekends. Any EV owner with a typical “level 2” charger will fully charge their car in well under those 8 night hours on all but the most extreme driving days.



The new plan has advantages for people who charge at “level 1” with ordinary 115v plugs. While level 1 has just enough power to just restore the 40 miles/day the average car drives in an 8 hour night, on those days of more driving, owners had to pay a bit more or let their car stay low and recover the next night or on the weekend. Turns out that almost always works, unless people have a long commute. With the new plan, cars that don’t leave in the morning can recover more. But it’s a pretty minor benefit.


While some Tesla owners get free supercharging on road trips, they otherwise pay around 28 cents/kwh ... [+]ASSOCIATED PRESS



It may simply be the fact that the car’s electricity price is buried in the larger monthly electricity bill, and not paid at the pump like gasoline. EV owners can elect to install a 2nd electric meter just for their car (and get the cheaper old price if they do) but this does not make financial sense because an extra meter is expensive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2019/11/19/pge-raises-costs-for-elect...