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Question: Are we anti-intellectuals?



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Are we anti-intellectuals?
Nov 21st, 2006 at 1:16pm
 
According to the SMH. there is still a lingering culture of anti-intellectualism in Australia. Our levels of education are lower than in other countries. John Howard and the federal coalition are fuelling this sentiment, or at least taking advantage of it, especially in education reform (the 'history wars'). The Labor party also has a negative view of academics.

One of my relatives teaches a foreign language in a small town. A lot of the parents tell their children that it's OK not to bother with that class because they are never going to use it anyway. But the world is getter smaller very quickly.

When issues like science and politics cross, there is often strong antagonism towards input from scientists. I have seen this a lot in the marine park debate from fishing lobbies.

I'm trying out the poll feature with this thread.
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Reply #1 - Nov 28th, 2006 at 6:06pm
 
Just testing.   You have to wonder why our children are getting such a poor level of education.  Perhaps there's an ultimate plan for them.  If they're dumbed down enough, by the time they leave school, they'll be ready to enlist.  This will be particularly good for  Australia as we have 30 plus US/Australian army bases here already testing out the latest hardware. 

The baby bonus is encouraging even more births and most of these children will have a state education.  The less they learn at school, the easier the brainwashing will be.  It's sad - but yes I think our culture may very well be "anti-intellectual" - aside from the hardworking immigrants who are instilling the importance of a higher education standard into their children.


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Reply #2 - Nov 29th, 2006 at 10:42am
 
When I was in high school I wasn't sure whether I wanted to go straight onto Uni or start earning money. Then at the end of grade 11 I spent a QLD summer picking water melons, which pretty much made my mind up for me. There's nothing like poverty or hard work  to make people value an education. I've noticed it too how children of recent immigrants tend to put more effort into school. I guess we need to impart some more Australian Values onto them so they stop making us look dumb.
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Reply #3 - Dec 1st, 2006 at 3:52pm
 
Mantra, the baby bonus isn't encouraging more births. Would $4000 (or whatever it is at the moment) make you decide to have a baby? Or another one? It costs that much just in setting up for a baby, let alone the continued cost of raising it. Plus what it does to your life (freedom, health). It's a coincidence that there are more births, because it's the baby boomers kids now having kids. Ie there are just more people around, so when they have kids there's a greater number of births.

Freediver, when I was in school there was quite a culture of hiding it if you were smart. I always talked down when I was around the dumb kids. And I used to have to keep my mouth shut when they moaned about how bad they did on tests, when I found them easy. But there were programs being put in place to try to encourage and foster those who had talents and interests.
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Reply #4 - Dec 1st, 2006 at 4:33pm
 
It's funny, with all this talk of a baby boom I can't find a nice graph of our fertility rate anywhere. I did find a table of births per 1000 people, which indicates our birth rate is actually going down:

Crude Birth and Death Rates for Selected Countries
(per 1,000 population)
  Birth rate                                                          Death rate   
Country  2006 2005 2004 1990  1985  1980  1975  2006 2005 2004 1990  1985  1980  1975
Australia  12.1 12.3 12.4 15.4  15.7  15.3  16.9         7.5 7.4 7.4 7.0  7.5  7.4  7.9

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http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004395.html
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Reply #5 - Dec 1st, 2006 at 4:52pm
 
mmadeline - I was probably generalising - but basically talking about the lower socio economic sector of our society, where $4,000 is a reasonable amount of money.  There are so many teenaged girls with babies - going it alone.

What future do a lot of these children have when the mother grows up a little and realises she can't give her child as much because of her limited education?  This is going on all over Australia and these children are growing up disadvantaged.

In regard to dumbing down kids - just recently there was a survey conducted and it was found that 1 in 4 children do exactly what you did A - pretend to be less intelligent than they really are to fit in.

Sadly there are few opportunities to encourage these brighter children to seek greener pastures.  Once they're integrated for a decade with those of lesser intelligence - their self esteem deteriorates quite dramatically.
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Reply #6 - Dec 3rd, 2006 at 2:07pm
 
Dang ... I responded to that and I'm not an Ozzie ...  Huh

Do you think that'll seriously skew your results, FD? 

PS: It's me, Uno ... I forgot my username and/or password.  I'm having it re-sent to me ...  otherwise, can you help? 
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Reply #7 - Dec 3rd, 2006 at 2:46pm
 
You mean you voted? Don't worry about it. As for your password, I think you just have to click whatever button and wait for it to get sent to the email you registered with.
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Reply #8 - Dec 7th, 2006 at 8:24pm
 
What many don't realise is that our Public Education System (run by the left and ignored by the right) is not just dumbing down students, they are actively cutting down and silencing outspoken lower and middle class intellectuals.   They are manipulating scores.

The system is trying to groom and produce robots that don't question or challenge the status quo, those that dont conform are put in their place.  

The message is loud and clear.   If you speak out,  you will suffer.    

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Reply #9 - Dec 12th, 2006 at 10:11am
 
mmadeline wrote on Dec 1st, 2006 at 3:52pm:
And I used to have to keep my mouth shut when they moaned about how bad they did on tests, when I found them easy.


I always liked to explain to them why it was so easy. I'm sure they appreciated the chance to learn from their mistakes  Tongue
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Reply #10 - Dec 15th, 2006 at 6:25pm
 
Yes Australia is a paranoid derivative culture perched on a large but blighted, infertile and dried-up island off the coast of Asia. For the first century or so it was difficult enough just to stay alive.

Given the tremendous amount of work that had to be done to create a modern western civilisation here on this unrewarding land it is no wonder that the Australian people were all body and no brain.

The free settlers were devoted Empire loyalists who wanted a new start in life: why else would they come all this way when the US was so much closer and cheaper? Many Indian Army pukka-sahibs chose to retire here, Colonel Blimps to a man.

The lower orders were not noted for their intellectual pursuits either. At the beginning they were resentful convicts, many of them Catholics whose only contact with intellectual life were the clergy--"Godbotherers" as they were derisively known--whom they despised.

Despite resentment against pommy bastards we clung to mother England long after she ceased to be a world power. As late as the 1960's we were voting the Queen's Man Sir Robert Menzies into the Prime Ministership. When England's decreptitude could no longer be hidden we tranferred our alliegence with scarcely a blink of the eye to the United States. This same Menzies dispatched Diggers to the all-American Vietnam War.

This pathetic clinging to the Great White Powers of the northern hemisphere further stulified our intellectual life. All that was good and glorious came from overseas and it still is. Anyone who wanted to read a book or glance at a picture was satisfied with something from the Old Country or a cheap local copy of the same. Australia was little more than half a century old when the telegraph and the steam boat put Australia back in intimate touch with England. The sudden blare of "Rule Brittania" drowned out the feeble strains of "Waltzing Matilda".

The effects of this have been long lasting. Australia has yet to produce a first-rate intellectual or artist although Patrick White and Pro-Hart are at least 3rd rate. Compare this to the number of excellent sportsmen we have fielded and the contrast becomes even more remarkable. Australia is and always has been deficient in cultural nationalism and will probably remain so unless some great historical drama makes us value ourselves a lot more than we do.
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Reply #11 - Jan 12th, 2007 at 12:54pm
 
I voted NO because we are not anti intellectuals we are anti achievers.
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Reply #12 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 1:23am
 
How times change.
Labouring in Sydney pays way more than being a Clerk, even an IT white collar.
It's hard to get decent Labourers in Sydney. Most are mature or backpackers on working visas.

A bricky-labourer can make $500-$800 in a day.
While a bludger-labourer is busy tapping his phone - wishing he was smart like computers.

IT and other such jobs are 'common' and sought by many.
No-one wants to build themselves up and get paid for it on a worksite. Instead - they just gymbob it before or after their office job.

Playing dumb is the way to $$ in Australia.
My brethren in Africa are more the Engineer type (Surgeon) while my brethren in Oceania are more Academic (Doctor)
my brethren in South America are Clerical, while I'm Labourer here in Sahul.
Know you place  Wink

I'm much older now. But I still do the 'simple' jobs and now I get paid well to snip a few roses or walk a dog or other 'leisurely labours'  Wink
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Reply #13 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 8:45am
 
The Lefties reflect this.
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Reply #14 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 10:54am
 


"Are we anti-intellectuals?"




A nation, who in this generation,      ....most of its populace, reject objective truth,
when the application of that truth in their personal lives does not 'serve them' ?



Hmmmmm.

That is a difficult one, isn't it !! ?

/sarc off




And Australia is no 'Robinson Crusoe' either !






Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!


2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;



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Luke 16:31
 
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