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Reply #30 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:23pm

mothra wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:13pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 11:55am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

Everyone the mother turned too did nothing and allowed this boy to remain in danger and it is the mothers fault the father killed his son....Why would anyone bother going to authorities to be ignored....The mother was right and the father killed their son whilst authorities did SFA???

Angry

You need to read the whole article instead of focusing on the emotional click bait. The man had care of the child, the woman had a VRO in place for her and the child which would have seen him refused custody and access. She removed the VRO. Of course the agencies she was screaming to ignored her, she herself took away the only tool they could use. . Be a critical thinker and ask yourself questions.

Nope. Such agencies are well aware that there a multiple reasons why people either remove VFOs or do not seek them in the first place.

This is s gross failing of the system. Heads should roll.

I agree!!!

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She tried reaching out to child protection agencies in Victoria and the ACT, the Australian Federal Police, lawyers and various courts to alert them to Dillon’s violence but ultimately he maintained custody over (killed) Bradyn.

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Reply #31 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:25pm

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 5:52pm:

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 5:32pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 11:55am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

Everyone the mother turned too did nothing and allowed this boy to remain in danger and it is the mothers fault the father killed his son....Why would anyone bother going to authorities to be ignored....The mother was right and the father killed their son whilst authorities did SFA???

Angry

You need to read the whole article instead of focusing on the emotional click bait. The man had care of the child, the woman had a VRO in place for her and the child which would have seen him refused custody and access. She removed the VRO. Of course the agencies she was screaming to ignored her, she herself took away the only tool they could use. . Be a critical thinker and ask yourself questions.

In the hope her ex would be reasonable....

he wasnt...

he kicked his son to death...

why do you keep pointing the finger at the mother??..

ues she made mistakes lots of them..

is that any reason to kick a 9yr old to death??????

He does it to "yank your chain", cods.

He admitted some time ago that his whole reason for being in this forum is to "yank people's chains".

He has no interest in debate - he's just a poo stirrer.

Ignore him, or yank back, but don't expect intelligent debate.

I disagree he thinks like this so do a lot of people..

an AVO DVO is a piece of paper that means nothing to a monster.....yet some people by the look of this think its magic...and lot of women think it makes them "safe" its total rubbish in fact .. taking our these things makes the perp even more angry.....

and that was the case here....

What's more it leads to the dangersous belief that a person not be believed lest they have ticked certain boxes; performed certain duties.

Evidently, as this case proves, that is an unsteady determinant that leads not #only to victim blaming but poor outcomes.

We know better than that.

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Reply #32 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:26pm

freediver wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:02pm:

I think Rhino is right. If she removed a restraining order on the husband, then she can hardly complain about the government not intervening. The government cannot watch over your kids for you. That is the parent's responsibility. She had the opportunity to protect her children from the man, with state authority to back it up, and she passed on the opportunity. No amount of whining or warning the authorities about how terrible he is can make up for that. The government doesn't split up families "just in case," and hindsight is always 20/20, but still worthless.

Isn't it a parent's responsibility to not torture and murder their children?

Didn't he have the opportunity to not torture and murder his son?

I'm curious.

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Reply #33 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:27pm

mothra wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:21pm:

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:19pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:02pm:

I think Rhino is right. If she removed a restraining order on the husband, then she can hardly complain about the government not intervening. The government cannot watch over your kids for you. That is the parent's responsibility. She had the opportunity to protect her children from the man, with state authority to back it up, and she passed on the opportunity. No amount of whining or warning the authorities about how terrible he is can make up for that. The government doesn't split up families "just in case," and hindsight is always 20/20, but still worthless.

SERIOUSLY!!!!

if thats the case why do we have so many child protection agencies????...[most useless by the look of things]..

we all know a piece of paper doesnt stop a deadbeat doing what he wants...

I am surprised he didnt kill her as well..

you really think a piece of paper will stop a lunatic??????... Roll Eyes

In fact, in a significant number of cases, it makes things a whole lot worse.

There agencies are supposed to be trained to individually determine. The failing is with them entirely.

couldnt agree more maybe its time for a ROYAL: it seems to be the only way everything comes out...

this is absolutely tragic and a little boy has paid the ultimate price.....

now we have a 2 yr old and a male in jail....its all to common......how many babies and young children have we lost that have been known to the authorities???????..... they should be totally ashamed...all those she turned too should be named...

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Reply #34 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:49pm

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 12:54pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 11:55am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

Everyone the mother turned too did nothing and allowed this boy to remain in danger and it is the mothers fault the father killed his son....Why would anyone bother going to authorities to be ignored....The mother was right and the father killed their son whilst authorities did SFA???

Angry

You need to read the whole article instead of focusing on the emotional click bait. The man had care of the child, the woman had a VRO in place for her and the child which would have seen him refused custody and access. She removed the VRO. Of course the agencies she was screaming to ignored her, she herself took away the only tool they could use. . Be a critical thinker and ask yourself questions.

The mother was right and the father killed their son whilst authorities did SFA???

Roll Eyes

The VRO would have ensured at least she got sole custody of the child and at the most he would have had supervised access. She removed the VRO. VRO's are not useless, it means if they are breached the police have the power to arrest the person named. The legal avenue that was given to her to gain sole access to her child was removed by herself.

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Reply #35 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:51pm

rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 12:54pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 11:55am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

Everyone the mother turned too did nothing and allowed this boy to remain in danger and it is the mothers fault the father killed his son....Why would anyone bother going to authorities to be ignored....The mother was right and the father killed their son whilst authorities did SFA???

Angry

You need to read the whole article instead of focusing on the emotional click bait. The man had care of the child, the woman had a VRO in place for her and the child which would have seen him refused custody and access. She removed the VRO. Of course the agencies she was screaming to ignored her, she herself took away the only tool they could use. . Be a critical thinker and ask yourself questions.

The mother was right and the father killed their son whilst authorities did SFA???

Roll Eyes

The VRO would have ensured at least she got sole custody of the child and at the most he would have had supervised access.

Everyone with a VRO against them has had supervised access?

You sure about that?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145226 Gender:	Re: Australian SHAME. Reply #37 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:56pm rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:53pm: Hearing those voices again Pecca, you should take something for that. Give yourself an uppercut for contributing a minus to the thread. So, not so sure now? That's another lesson; free, once again. You're welcome
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Reply #38 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 7:02pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 10:55am:

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 10:47am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 9:28am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

Everyone the mother turned too did nothing and allowed this boy to remain in danger and it is the mothers fault the father killed his son....Why would anyone bother going to authorities to be ignored....The mother was right and the father killed their son whilst authorities did SFA???

Angry

Did I say it was the mothers fault?

I said she had "some" responsibility for the situation.

Otherwise that arsehole wouldn't have had custody.

That the system also failed this child & many others is a given.

WHY was he given custody....surely this child had other members in the family who would love and take care of him??

where the hell are our courts they have to have had some impact on this case.....I cant believe only the mother knew of the violence this child endured ..

something has to change..do the courts only listen to the mother and father ??? where are the extended family???? everyone has an extended family.....why are they not heard?.....even neighbours hear and see things....

All true - the fact that they were both meth-heads was an instant red flag... how many innocents have to be brutally murdered by idiots like that before some solid policy is put in place for real action?

I actually met that guy up Grafton way who was a meth-head and beat his 'girl-friend's' son to death, even tearing the scalp from the kid's head with his hands .... needed shooting...

Bobby has a point..... we need a little more 'resisting arrest and assaulting with a knife etc' and needing to be shot.. sometimes.. for that kind anyway....

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Reply #39 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 7:17pm

Now if she came to me for help and I had a professional position to make a difference.
I would not base my decision on the fact that she was a user.
That she had removed her restraining order.

I would look at her situation as a 'whole' and see the long list of her grievances and and efforts for help and see this as the 'true' nature of things in her case. I wouldn't fall back on a 'legality' of there being no 'restraining' order in place, when such a long list of 'evidence' is there before my eyes as to 'why' that boy should not go back to his father.

I blame the USA.

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Reply #40 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 7:18pm

rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 12:54pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 11:55am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

Everyone the mother turned too did nothing and allowed this boy to remain in danger and it is the mothers fault the father killed his son....Why would anyone bother going to authorities to be ignored....The mother was right and the father killed their son whilst authorities did SFA???

Angry

You need to read the whole article instead of focusing on the emotional click bait. The man had care of the child, the woman had a VRO in place for her and the child which would have seen him refused custody and access. She removed the VRO. Of course the agencies she was screaming to ignored her, she herself took away the only tool they could use. . Be a critical thinker and ask yourself questions.

The mother was right and the father killed their son whilst authorities did SFA???

Roll Eyes

The VRO would have ensured at least she got sole custody of the child and at the most he would have had supervised access. She removed the VRO. VRO's are not useless, it means if they are breached the police have the power to arrest the person named. The legal avenue that was given to her to gain sole access to her child was removed by herself.

have you ever read Rosey Bates story? perhaps you should.

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Reply #41 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 7:22pm

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 7:18pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 12:54pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 11:55am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

Everyone the mother turned too did nothing and allowed this boy to remain in danger and it is the mothers fault the father killed his son....Why would anyone bother going to authorities to be ignored....The mother was right and the father killed their son whilst authorities did SFA???

Angry

You need to read the whole article instead of focusing on the emotional click bait. The man had care of the child, the woman had a VRO in place for her and the child which would have seen him refused custody and access. She removed the VRO. Of course the agencies she was screaming to ignored her, she herself took away the only tool they could use. . Be a critical thinker and ask yourself questions.

The mother was right and the father killed their son whilst authorities did SFA???

Roll Eyes

The VRO would have ensured at least she got sole custody of the child and at the most he would have had supervised access. She removed the VRO. VRO's are not useless, it means if they are breached the police have the power to arrest the person named. The legal avenue that was given to her to gain sole access to her child was removed by herself.

have you ever read Rosey Bates story? perhaps you should.

Our shovel-wielding odd-toed ungulate (mistakenly) believes that a VRO has the ability to actually stop someone from doing something.

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Reply #42 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 7:22pm

Jasin wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 7:17pm:

Now if she came to me for help and I had a professional position to make a difference.
I would not base my decision on the fact that she was a user.
That she had removed her restraining order.

I would look at her situation as a 'whole' and see the long list of her grievances and and efforts for help and see this as the 'true' nature of things in her case. I wouldn't fall back on a 'legality' of there being no 'restraining' order in place, when such a long list of 'evidence' is there before my eyes as to 'why' that boy should not go back to his father.

I blame the USA.

do you not think someone anyone should have had a word with the child? he was 9 someone should have had a lightbulb moment..and thought it worth while asking the boy what he would like to see happen...

why is that so hard?..

Cry

if you are going to use the removal of a VRO to blame the mother.....then you must look at the reason she removed it......

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Reply #43 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 7:23pm

The father should be imprisoned in a lifelong solitary confinement where he is not allowed a single thing beyond a food bowl and a hole to deficate in next to the invisible bed. Never to see another human being again. Even the Gaolers 'gas' him to sleep if they need to enter the cell, with him never to remember them when he wakes. The Cell is airconditioned to provide minimal temperature fluctuations so that he can't even enjoy a change of weather.

...and if he dies from that. Then just bring in the next one.

That's a real Prison folks. Wink

Sure he is allowed to live,
beyond the boy's death at his hands.
But his entire life is of no hope for release - a release from nothing else but 'himself' to exist with. Let alone any stimulation that could be considered 'life'.
A Prison's duty is to the destroy the evil soul within.
Until you do that - you will never 'find him guilty' no matter how hard you bang your little hammer in Court (no matter how 'high' a Court either).

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Reply #44 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 7:24pm

rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 12:54pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 11:55am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

Everyone the mother turned too did nothing and allowed this boy to remain in danger and it is the mothers fault the father killed his son....Why would anyone bother going to authorities to be ignored....The mother was right and the father killed their son whilst authorities did SFA???

Angry

You need to read the whole article instead of focusing on the emotional click bait. The man had care of the child, the woman had a VRO in place for her and the child which would have seen him refused custody and access. She removed the VRO. Of course the agencies she was screaming to ignored her, she herself took away the only tool they could use. . Be a critical thinker and ask yourself questions.

The mother was right and the father killed their son whilst authorities did SFA???

Roll Eyes

The VRO would have ensured at least she got sole custody of the child and at the most he would have had supervised access. She removed the VRO. VRO's are not useless, it means if they are breached the police have the power to arrest the person named. The legal avenue that was given to her to gain sole access to her child was removed by herself.

Firstly, an AVO doen not determine whether or not sole custody is granted, nor whether visits are supervised.

All of that happens daily without AVOs.

Secondly, nobody said they were useless, just that they are not required for any agency to do it's job. They are, indeed, often known to be counterproductive and/or inflammatory. All cases should be individually determined at every stage.

You again talk almost completely out of your arse.

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