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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #480 - Oct 4th, 2019 at 10:32pm  
Frank wrote on Oct 4th, 2019 at 10:14pm:
Dont put a bone through your nose,  dont eat missionaries, dont brutalise your own kind  so people won't  laught at you  - and so you won't feel aggrieved.
All these 'studies' are a smokescreen for primitives, brutal barbarians, trying to normalise them.
It is all about normalizing primitives, barbarians, perverts - all the enemies of civilisation.


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Reply #481 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 8:28am  
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2019 at 10:23am:
freediver wrote on Sep 25th, 2019 at 6:11pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 25th, 2019 at 9:30am:
freediver wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 6:27pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 10:49am:
So to sum where we're at at the moment. The claim that

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The Taliban presented every girl over 8 in the regions they controlled with the death penalty for learning to read, and girls under 8 with the death penalty for learning to read anything other than the Quran. It was not an isolated incident, it was an actively enforced policy.


is solely backed up by this sentence in a wikipedia article:

Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught

Apparently that one vague line perfectly covers both over-8 school aged girls, as well as under 8s "for learning to read anything other than the Quran" - although it doesn't quite mention anything about under 8s. Moreover, that one vague line categorically states - without actually saying it - that it was an 'actively enforced policy".

And any suggestion that it doesn't say any of this is ruthlessly destroyed by simple rhetorical questions like "do you not think that the wiki article implies it ever actually happened? hmmm?!"


I have presented plenty of other evidence Gandalf. Stop lying.


Grin FD's favourite fallback. I'm not sure if you are aware at all of how desperate this pathetic retort makes you look.

The 'plenty of other evidence' you refer to is of course 1. Malala and 2. the insurgent attacks - none of which happened during the rule of the taliban that we're talking about.

I didn't mention that because, you know, its totally irrelevant.

Was there anything else?

Perhaps I should mention outright porkies like Frank's picture of a convicted murderer being executed and trying to pass it off as a school girl? Nah, that would be too cruel.


Oh yes, I had forgotten about Malala. But you are still lying. Do we really need to have the same argument all over again because you keep forgetting?


I must be forgetting FD. So as far as actual relevant evidence for the claim that the Taliban regime 1996-2001 had an "actively enforced policy" of a) shooting girls over 8 for attending school and b) shooting under 8s for learning the Quran, we have a line in the wiki article that girls "risked execution" by going to school - and...?

Are we counting the one that you vaguely recall seeing when you made the claim, but now can't remember? Is that the one I was forgetting?


It is one of several you conveniently forget. This is how 90% of discussions with you go. After pages of flip flopping, you pick one single example or statement I have presented and lie about it being the only one. You end up telling the same lie every time.
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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #482 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 10:06am  
Frank wrote on Oct 4th, 2019 at 10:14pm:
Dont put a bone through your nose,  dont eat missionaries, dont brutalise your own kind  so people won't  laught at you  - and so you won't feel aggrieved.
All these 'studies' are a smokescreen for primitives, brutal barbarians, trying to normalise them.
It is all about normalizing primitives, barbarians, perverts - all the enemies of civilisation.



Oh? You always seem to enjoy being normalised, dear boy.
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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #483 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 10:08am  
freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2019 at 8:28am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2019 at 10:23am:
freediver wrote on Sep 25th, 2019 at 6:11pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 25th, 2019 at 9:30am:
freediver wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 6:27pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 10:49am:
So to sum where we're at at the moment. The claim that

Quote:
The Taliban presented every girl over 8 in the regions they controlled with the death penalty for learning to read, and girls under 8 with the death penalty for learning to read anything other than the Quran. It was not an isolated incident, it was an actively enforced policy.


is solely backed up by this sentence in a wikipedia article:

Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught

Apparently that one vague line perfectly covers both over-8 school aged girls, as well as under 8s "for learning to read anything other than the Quran" - although it doesn't quite mention anything about under 8s. Moreover, that one vague line categorically states - without actually saying it - that it was an 'actively enforced policy".

And any suggestion that it doesn't say any of this is ruthlessly destroyed by simple rhetorical questions like "do you not think that the wiki article implies it ever actually happened? hmmm?!"


I have presented plenty of other evidence Gandalf. Stop lying.


Grin FD's favourite fallback. I'm not sure if you are aware at all of how desperate this pathetic retort makes you look.

The 'plenty of other evidence' you refer to is of course 1. Malala and 2. the insurgent attacks - none of which happened during the rule of the taliban that we're talking about.

I didn't mention that because, you know, its totally irrelevant.

Was there anything else?

Perhaps I should mention outright porkies like Frank's picture of a convicted murderer being executed and trying to pass it off as a school girl? Nah, that would be too cruel.


Oh yes, I had forgotten about Malala. But you are still lying. Do we really need to have the same argument all over again because you keep forgetting?


I must be forgetting FD. So as far as actual relevant evidence for the claim that the Taliban regime 1996-2001 had an "actively enforced policy" of a) shooting girls over 8 for attending school and b) shooting under 8s for learning the Quran, we have a line in the wiki article that girls "risked execution" by going to school - and...?

Are we counting the one that you vaguely recall seeing when you made the claim, but now can't remember? Is that the one I was forgetting?


It is one of several you conveniently forget. This is how 90% of discussions with you go. After pages of flip flopping, you pick one single example or statement I have presented and lie about it being the only one. You end up telling the same lie every time.


No worries, FD. You show us all your evidence. You forgot tp do this before. Here's your chance, dear.
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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #484 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 2:04pm  
FD? You've gone, dear.
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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #485 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 5:19pm  
Karnal wrote on Oct 6th, 2019 at 10:08am:
freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2019 at 8:28am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2019 at 10:23am:
freediver wrote on Sep 25th, 2019 at 6:11pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 25th, 2019 at 9:30am:
freediver wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 6:27pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 10:49am:
So to sum where we're at at the moment. The claim that

Quote:
The Taliban presented every girl over 8 in the regions they controlled with the death penalty for learning to read, and girls under 8 with the death penalty for learning to read anything other than the Quran. It was not an isolated incident, it was an actively enforced policy.


is solely backed up by this sentence in a wikipedia article:

Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught

Apparently that one vague line perfectly covers both over-8 school aged girls, as well as under 8s "for learning to read anything other than the Quran" - although it doesn't quite mention anything about under 8s. Moreover, that one vague line categorically states - without actually saying it - that it was an 'actively enforced policy".

And any suggestion that it doesn't say any of this is ruthlessly destroyed by simple rhetorical questions like "do you not think that the wiki article implies it ever actually happened? hmmm?!"


I have presented plenty of other evidence Gandalf. Stop lying.


Grin FD's favourite fallback. I'm not sure if you are aware at all of how desperate this pathetic retort makes you look.

The 'plenty of other evidence' you refer to is of course 1. Malala and 2. the insurgent attacks - none of which happened during the rule of the taliban that we're talking about.

I didn't mention that because, you know, its totally irrelevant.

Was there anything else?

Perhaps I should mention outright porkies like Frank's picture of a convicted murderer being executed and trying to pass it off as a school girl? Nah, that would be too cruel.


Oh yes, I had forgotten about Malala. But you are still lying. Do we really need to have the same argument all over again because you keep forgetting?


I must be forgetting FD. So as far as actual relevant evidence for the claim that the Taliban regime 1996-2001 had an "actively enforced policy" of a) shooting girls over 8 for attending school and b) shooting under 8s for learning the Quran, we have a line in the wiki article that girls "risked execution" by going to school - and...?

Are we counting the one that you vaguely recall seeing when you made the claim, but now can't remember? Is that the one I was forgetting?


It is one of several you conveniently forget. This is how 90% of discussions with you go. After pages of flip flopping, you pick one single example or statement I have presented and lie about it being the only one. You end up telling the same lie every time.


No worries, FD. You show us all your evidence. You forgot tp do this before. Here's your chance, dear.


FD is right - he has come up with several - theres the reference to insurgents blowing up schools and Malala - years after the fact, and his favourite one line in the wiki article that says girls "risked execution" going to school. From that, you see, we get 'the taliban had an actively enforced policy of shooting little girls and toddlers in the back of the head'. And the best part, there's just enough bullshit mixed in with those idiotic pieces of "evidence" for him to play this little "Oh I have several pieces of evidence that you conveniently forget" game.

You know, the standard FD debating tactic.
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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #486 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 11:16am  
I accept your apology. Am I correct that in this "outrageous porky," the only significant thing you disagree with me on is the dates, in that you try to link the Taliban killing students to after the US invasion? Do you have any evidence for your assertion?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 9:24am:
freediver wrote on Sep 23rd, 2019 at 9:02pm:
Do you think people might be prone to being misled by the wikipedia article into thinking it did actually happen?


I would expect people to conclude from it that it might have happened FD.


Do you mean people ought to conclude that it also might never have happened at all?

Can you explain why you think the statements are vague:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31st, 2019 at 5:00pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 31st, 2019 at 3:19pm:
So you proved I was lying about the Taliban killing students and teachers by leaving out the bits I quoted about the Taliban killing students and teachers? After I went to the trouble of providing the evidence for you? Who's telling the outrageous porkies now Gandalf?


By which of course you mean a vague sentence that said women and teachers "risked execution" by attending school. Yes, thats right folks, from that we get actual "taliban killing students and teachers", and from that, presumably, we get an "actively enforced policy" of shooting in the back of the head both over 8 year old girls for going to school, and under 8 year old girls for reading non-Quranic material.


You posted this immediately after I gave you the quotes from wikipedia and even highlighted the bit where it unambiguously stated that the Taliban were killing students and teachers.

freediver wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 12:12pm:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women

Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Afghanistan#Education

The Taliban are still opposed to education for Afghan boys and girls. They are burning down schools, killing students and teachers by all kinds of means, including chemical warfare.
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Reply #487 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 11:26am  
No no, FD, that's asking G to provide your evidence. You were going to provide it yourself, remember?
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Reply #488 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:24pm  
FD?

You've gone.
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Reply #489 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 5:22pm  
Well I dunno what all the trouble is about.

The taliban are 100% highest grade of muslim according to the qur'an, they slay and are slain in the name of allah (shored up with torture and rape where ever possible).

To islamists they represent true blue muslim virtue.

The fallacious *moderates* tell us the qur'an doesn't really mean what it says.

All those verses which preach rape torture and mass murder, well you see they are the secret code for islam is love and peace (with a fair bit of thighing of little babies, which by islamic jurisprudence is acceptable, because by divine example muhammad with his rape of Aisha introduced the practice).

islam the doctrine of filth and perversion, championed by lunatic leftards the world over.
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Reply #490 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 6:09pm  
moses wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 5:22pm:
Well I dunno what all the trouble is about.

The taliban are 100% highest grade of muslim according to the qur'an, they slay and are slain in the name of allah (shored up with torture and rape where ever possible).

To islamists they represent true blue muslim virtue.

The fallacious *moderates* tell us the qur'an doesn't really mean what it says.

All those verses which preach rape torture and mass murder, well you see they are the secret code for islam is love and peace (with a fair bit of thighing of little babies, which by islamic jurisprudence is acceptable, because by divine example muhammad with his rape of Aisha introduced the practice).

islam the doctrine of filth and perversion, championed by lunatic leftards the world over.




Putting them on the spot like that is so.... hurtful.  Cry Cry Cry Cry  You brute, you!!!!! Tongue

Why can't you talk about what happened 800 years ago, the golden age and all that??   Talking about Islam in the world TODAY is just wacist, insensitive, oppressive, Eurocentric, perpetuating racism and oppression and making Muslims feel like they are responsible for the way they are.

You simply can't have that, don't you know???


When Islam destroyed the World Trade Centre, bombed Bali, Madrid, London, etc, etc - it metamorphosed, in precisely those moments, into the Religion of Peace. That's why we are importing more and more Muslims since these events and that's why we have more andd more Muslim terrorism and 'culturally inappropriate behaviour).

Western 'elites' (products of Western universities' politics, law and social science departments) have a deep hatred for their own people because of the indoctrination they have received, hence their relentless death-wish policies.


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Reply #491 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 7:42pm  
Frank wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 6:09pm:
moses wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 5:22pm:
Well I dunno what all the trouble is about.

The taliban are 100% highest grade of muslim according to the qur'an, they slay and are slain in the name of allah (shored up with torture and rape where ever possible).

To islamists they represent true blue muslim virtue.

The fallacious *moderates* tell us the qur'an doesn't really mean what it says.

All those verses which preach rape torture and mass murder, well you see they are the secret code for islam is love and peace (with a fair bit of thighing of little babies, which by islamic jurisprudence is acceptable, because by divine example muhammad with his rape of Aisha introduced the practice).

islam the doctrine of filth and perversion, championed by lunatic leftards the world over.


Putting them on the spot like that is so.... hurtful.  Cry Cry Cry Cry  You brute, you!!!!! Tongue

Why can't you talk about what happened 800 years ago, the golden age and all that??   Talking about Islam in the world TODAY is just wacist, insensitive, oppressive, Eurocentric, perpetuating racism and oppression and making Muslims feel like they are responsible for the way they are.

You simply can't have that, don't you know???

When Islam destroyed the World Trade Centre, bombed Bali, Madrid, London, etc, etc - it metamorphosed, in precisely those moments, into the Religion of Peace. That's why we are importing more and more Muslims since these events and that's why we have more andd more Muslim terrorism and 'culturally inappropriate behaviour).

Western 'elites' (products of Western universities' politics, law and social science departments) have a deep hatred for their own people because of the indoctrination they have received, hence their relentless death-wish policies.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, showing your Islamophobia again, hey, Soren.  You appear to believe all Muslims are Islamists, that all Muslims are Terrorists and all without evidence.  You've never even spoken to a Muslim, have you, Soren?  Never ever discussed Islam with a real live Muslims, have you?   Why don't you run along to your little kiddies' playground where you belong?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #492 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 8:30pm  
Frank wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 6:09pm:
moses wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 5:22pm:
Well I dunno what all the trouble is about.

The taliban are 100% highest grade of muslim according to the qur'an, they slay and are slain in the name of allah (shored up with torture and rape where ever possible).

To islamists they represent true blue muslim virtue.

The fallacious *moderates* tell us the qur'an doesn't really mean what it says.

All those verses which preach rape torture and mass murder, well you see they are the secret code for islam is love and peace (with a fair bit of thighing of little babies, which by islamic jurisprudence is acceptable, because by divine example muhammad with his rape of Aisha introduced the practice).

islam the doctrine of filth and perversion, championed by lunatic leftards the world over.




Putting them on the spot like that is so.... hurtful.  Cry Cry Cry Cry  You brute, you!!!!! Tongue

Why can't you talk about what happened 800 years ago, the golden age and all that??   Talking about Islam in the world TODAY is just wacist, insensitive, oppressive, Eurocentric, perpetuating racism and oppression and making Muslims feel like they are responsible for the way they are.

You simply can't have that, don't you know???



Exactly. What's wrong with talking about Islam in the world TODAY?

What's wrong with telling the odd white lie and posting a little bit of propaganda and calling for a few discrete carpetbombings?

We're just having a friendly chat, no?
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Reply #493 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 8:42pm  
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 7:42pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 6:09pm:
moses wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 5:22pm:
Well I dunno what all the trouble is about.

The taliban are 100% highest grade of muslim according to the qur'an, they slay and are slain in the name of allah (shored up with torture and rape where ever possible).

To islamists they represent true blue muslim virtue.

The fallacious *moderates* tell us the qur'an doesn't really mean what it says.

All those verses which preach rape torture and mass murder, well you see they are the secret code for islam is love and peace (with a fair bit of thighing of little babies, which by islamic jurisprudence is acceptable, because by divine example muhammad with his rape of Aisha introduced the practice).

islam the doctrine of filth and perversion, championed by lunatic leftards the world over.


Putting them on the spot like that is so.... hurtful.  Cry Cry Cry Cry  You brute, you!!!!! Tongue

Why can't you talk about what happened 800 years ago, the golden age and all that??   Talking about Islam in the world TODAY is just wacist, insensitive, oppressive, Eurocentric, perpetuating racism and oppression and making Muslims feel like they are responsible for the way they are.

You simply can't have that, don't you know???

When Islam destroyed the World Trade Centre, bombed Bali, Madrid, London, etc, etc - it metamorphosed, in precisely those moments, into the Religion of Peace. That's why we are importing more and more Muslims since these events and that's why we have more andd more Muslim terrorism and 'culturally inappropriate behaviour).

Western 'elites' (products of Western universities' politics, law and social science departments) have a deep hatred for their own people because of the indoctrination they have received, hence their relentless death-wish policies.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, showing your Islamophobia again, hey, Soren.  You appear to believe all Muslims are Islamists, that all Muslims are Terrorists and all without evidence.  You've never even spoken to a Muslim, have you, Soren?  Never ever discussed Islam with a real live Muslims, have you?   Why don't you run along to your little kiddies' playground where you belong?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Lying, lying, lying.
That's  all you have, Derek,.
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Reply #494 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 8:48pm  
Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 8:30pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 6:09pm:
moses wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 5:22pm:
Well I dunno what all the trouble is about.

The taliban are 100% highest grade of muslim according to the qur'an, they slay and are slain in the name of allah (shored up with torture and rape where ever possible).

To islamists they represent true blue muslim virtue.

The fallacious *moderates* tell us the qur'an doesn't really mean what it says.

All those verses which preach rape torture and mass murder, well you see they are the secret code for islam is love and peace (with a fair bit of thighing of little babies, which by islamic jurisprudence is acceptable, because by divine example muhammad with his rape of Aisha introduced the practice).

islam the doctrine of filth and perversion, championed by lunatic leftards the world over.




Putting them on the spot like that is so.... hurtful.  Cry Cry Cry Cry  You brute, you!!!!! Tongue

Why can't you talk about what happened 800 years ago, the golden age and all that??   Talking about Islam in the world TODAY is just wacist, insensitive, oppressive, Eurocentric, perpetuating racism and oppression and making Muslims feel like they are responsible for the way they are.

You simply can't have that, don't you know???



Exactly. What's wrong with talking about Islam in the world TODAY?

What's wrong with telling the odd white lie and posting a little bit of propaganda and calling for a few discrete carpetbombings?

We're just having a friendly chat, no?

No 'white lies'.  Islam is the enemy of the West, and everything else, has always been from its invention. It is reaction and rancour to its core, and has nothing else.
It brings nothing new or positive into the world, it is entirely a violent  reaction and negation.

Everyone knows this.
Look at the Islamic mutts - violent reaction is carved onto their faces and souls.
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